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Survivor sided game
Have y'all seen otzdarvas video proving that the game isn't actually survivor sided or "as" survivor sided? Scott jund, otz and other content creators claim that you don't go against a swf every game, which I do. I can bring the most broken build but my perks will get taken away or I'll be destroyed by dead hard to a God pallet. How's the game not survivor sided? I had a game, and not just A game but many games like this. This match was basically me downing them fast at the beginning of the match. They were still at 5 gens and it looked like it was unwinnable for them. I would down them fast but it didn't matter because they would never die so I call that the infinite hook effect. There was nothing I could do because they had boil over and would sabo. Even though they were getting clapped, they still did all 5 gens, isn't that crazy? Nothing I could do. It's very common for this to happen. Fast generators even though I should be winning? Every single game was just sweaty and frustrating. Dead hard every time I would mind game them at a jungle gym. I don't understand how Scott or otz have survivor sided opinions when killers are literally quitting the game and not having fun. They also just claim that matches are still winnable and that you should look at your mistakes? A game I have been playing for 4 years now? Jeez.
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I understand your frustration, but there are certain ways to handle situations once they happen in the game. Here are a few examples:
Boil Over / Sabo Team - If you run into a team that is using Boil Over / Sabo and you can't get them hooked, just start slugging them. Slugging may sound harsh to some, but it's a valid strategy in certain situations (like this one). Once you start slugging, it will add gen pressure as they will be too busy trying to heal instead of doing gens. Eventually, once the team uses up all their unbreakable or second chance perks, you'll have them all slugged and will be able to hook them.
Flashlight Team - If you run into a team that is using multiple flashlights, the best solution to this is Lightborn. Once a survivor realizes you have Lightborn, and they're unable to bully you with their flashlight, you should be able to play as normal without any issues. Also, I noticed a lot of Flashlight SWF squads will DC a match once they realize you have Lightborn as a perk.
I'm not sure why you having an issue with Dead Hard as it only activates once per chase and it's possible to mind game a survivor into wasting their Dead Hard. If you're having trouble catching a survivor because they are a good looper or have great pallet/map knowledge, break off chase and go back to gen patrolling. Don't waste too much time on catching one survivor.
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Oh thank you for the tip, but in this case slugging, tunneling nor camping would work. If i dropped the survivor then the other survivor will run away and I cannot chase them because the slug will get up. At this point im just looking for ways to have fun.
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Crazy that you go against a SWF every game. How do you know? I've had killers message me telling me we won because it was a SWF and it's not. I've seen killers complain here about SWFs when what happened is explained by good old fashioned experienced survivors who actually play the game. And there are a whole lot of killer perks that take away what survivors can do, it's not one sided. The game has never been easier for killer than it is now. If you don't like it, don't play. No one is forcing you.
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Solo survivor is usually fine though, SWF with voice comm on the other hand is straight up cheating.
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It's still not cheating, this has been confimed.
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Erd69, post a video of one of your games.
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It's not really survivor sided at all if anything it's map sided as generally whoever the map favors generally does better but the game is wierdly almost balanced in it's own messed up way of both sides having insane BS.
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That's only because they can't detect or ban them and admitting it gonna make 40% or so of playerbase mad.
We all know how broken and game breaking that thing is.
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I actually feel that the game design itself is blatantly survivor sided, like, no offense to anyone who can't see it, but LOL I feel bad for you. However, the important thing to remember is that most survivors throw. They do 5 gens for your 1 hook? You can still 4k. They are gen cranking machines, but the other parts of the game are a bit too difficult for them which is perhaps why they believe the game is somehow killer sided.
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It's not confirmed but declared by the devs aka they just have accepted it. This might be just semantics but it makes a difference.
The definition of using third party Software outside of the game as an advantage still stands. And especially in an asymmetrical game were only one side can profit from it.
In my eyes they just declared it as okay/legal in their game because they know that they can't do anything about it and took the easy way out.
Only oj the last qna have they finally begun to tackle the problem by starting to bring solo closer to swf.
Edit: Btw same goes for their approach to camping/tunneling/slugging aka the unfun gameplay a killer can use that they declared "tactics" because here also they couldn't do anything against it without having to fear to kill their playerbase. But this is also seemingly under review by them in recent times.
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That's the issue, I don't want to. It's not good for my mental health. I don't wanna hear people say "oh well you made a mistake " when I'm literally trying so hard. Or people saying "you should've played better". The game is already frustrating enough and I don't wanna get even more angrier lol
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See this is the real issue I believe. You can't admit to yourself that you made mistakes and that the other group was better. So you go to the forums to complain about SWF and survivor.
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I mean I lost 3 gens in less than 3 mins on dead dawg saloon, the best map for killer, small map, is it really a map issue or an objective issue? Think about it. It's so easy to do a gen that you just have to hold a button and that's enough to make a killer sweat. It's just a lazy idea of an objective
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Also don't forgot that the information is extremely important and meant to be limited for survivors by game design, unless they do voice comm.
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This so much
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I know. A year or two back someone made a list of all perks that get potentially (survivor don't always use all the tools given to them) substituted by comms and it came to 10-12(?) perks, maybe even more today.
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I'm not sure if making the argument that playing with your friends is cheating is a wise one.
Instead of declaring it cheating, maybe we should balance the game but idk that sounds kinda crazy
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This right here is exactly why LMFAO. If I don't send the clip then I don't own up to my mistakes even though survivors were using meta perks and doing gens quickly and making mistakes is just overkill. But if I send the clip you will always find a mistake, I know the outcome and that's not gonna make me wanna send you a clip lol. If the real issue is just me not looking at my mistakes, then the game is balanced and fine? Also, they played better than me? How so? I mean they're definitely not better than me because we're not playing the same game. You cannot compare the skill of the killer to a survivor because both roles are basically different games. Is the survivor better because they're looping me at a pallet that's good for them?
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Its not cheating, they're allowed to play with their friends, but we agree that swf is still strong.
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That's why I said that the devs finally took our advice to make swf and solo equal with the amount of information exchange.
Of course they start sloooooow with the test of those action icons but nobody today expects behaviour to work faster than at glacial pace.
And yes it is still underlying cheating when only one side can even do it and potentially (survivor don't always use all the tools they are given and cover it under "we only play causal with friends") gain a definite advantage from it.
I don't care about discord or TeamSpeak in games like lol, overwatch rocket league, rainbow six siege and so on because both sides can use and gain an advantage from it. In DBD this is only onesidedly possible and isn't compensated in the slightest. And it is a possible advantage when you can substitute aura reading effects from roughly a dozen perks, and more.
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SWF itself isn't really cheating as there won't be much big of an advantage, using voice comms and sharing information is.
And that's the way they gonna heading toward anyway... BY BUFFING SOLO SURVIVORS FIRST, the #########.
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Oh god please stop pretending like you're some kind of victim. You complain that survivors win when you played supposedly perfect. You refuse to accept they beat you at the game, and thats why you come to the forums to complain. You want an echo chamber where people agree with what you, no matter how senseless it is.
You say you were that sabo builds are op? Just slug them. If you refuse to change because you think you deserve to win, you wont ever win
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Slugging is bad for BP, I shouldn't be forced to play BP inefficient! I am entitled to play with high BP gain!
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Then start winning, if you want high BP, play like you do deserve high BP. Why would the game reward you with currency for losing.
Hook them before the sabo happens, down the saboer, wait until the hook fixes itself. There are many ways to turn that into an advantage. If you want to be rewarded, work for it
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That generally doesn't happen to me on that map but when it does on other maps I generally just try to 3 gen best I can. The way the game generally flows survivors usually get the first few gens done pretty easily and it's not a big deal so then depending on how well you do the last two gens can also be easy for them or it can be an absolute pain that never gets done because they're so close together which is actually why to this day I think suffo pit and resting place are horrible design as it takes the 3 gen or lose idea to it's extreme.
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is there ever gonna be a day where there aren't 500 versions of the same post on the forums
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Dead dawn saloon the best map for killer? lol maybe for a nurse.. that map is atrocious as killer especially if you are playing with slow killers.
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I do deserve high BP just by playing killers, don't you understand that?
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People who say swf on voice comms isn't cheating are a joke. It's like having your opponents playbook in a football game and knowing exactly what play they are running all game. Survivors knowing the whereabouts of killer at all times and what gens to pound while killer is in chase.
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Oh my bad, i thought you were serious
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I'm serious because getting more BP is good for me.
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I thought map size was the issue! That just proves my point
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Its because dead dawn saloon have very strong loops. I think its the only tiny map that favor survivors if they know how to use it correctly.
Midwich is also small but its more killer sided because the loops suck.
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Sorry but many ppl like to play w their friends, not only in dbd. Being able to chat with friends while holding m1 isnt cheating lol and if u find it that big of an issue, maybe try playing offline games?
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"Hook them before the sabo" wow thanks for the tip OH WAIT it doesn't work. Why? Because the survivor is faster and will sabo the hook before I make it. I slug? Well the person who sabos hooks will run away. I pick up? They wiggle faster cuz I dropped. Nothing you can do about it. Even worse if they have breakout.
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It just sounds like you need more practice and time in the game. Take a walk, cool down, and figure out how you can play better instead of just blaming everyone else. If you put the time in, the game definitely favours killers right now. I'm certain that the majority of the games you lose are your fault.
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I won't win? I have won, but had to sweat. sabo builds op? Maybe. Could I do some about them? No. I slug? The survivor will get picked up. If I chase the person that sabos, they'll run away so I can't. Also, the survivor would go down at a high place because of the boil over buff, making it almost impossible for me to hook them. I come to the forums and complain? Yes ofcourse. Am I a victim? No I'm just a frustrated player. But ofcourse you defend the survivors even when the game favors them. There will always be people like you who act like the game is balanced. I mean if what I said bothers you so much, which shouldn't because killer is frustrating, then maybe don't come to the forums lol?
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It favors killers? Well that's not gonna make me better. I literally said the survivors did fast gens, I downed them quickly, got many hooks, they used dead hard and there's nothing I could do about and you still say I lost because it's my fault? Wow...
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Well, you can always refuse to improve, but you probably won't have a ton of fun that way. If you were downing them quickly and got many hooks, there's no way they could've finished the gens all that fast. I've played ten games since the patch went live, and the only survivors went through the hatch, but yeah, keep blaming everyone else. You should probably find a different game with that attitude.
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Yes I complain because they "beat me" but the game is survivor sided. They had dead hard which I could not do anything about. I was downing them so fast yet they did all 5 gens even though I was clapping them. Sabo builds OP? Maybe. Could I do something about it? No. They would purposely go down on a high place because of the new boil over buff. Can't slug because they weren't together. I slug the person I'm about to hook because another survivor sabos? Well the other survivor runs away. I camp? 5 gens done. I was sweating, frustrated, they dead harder to pallets and destroyed me with that. Not survivor sided tho huh? Did I come and complain in the forums because I lost? Yes 100%. But if that bothers you so much, which shouldn't because killer is frustrating and you should know that, maybe don't come to the forums?
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It is in this game, you may not like it but it's just fact.
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The thing is ppl massively underestimate (or forget) that solo q survivors can also do REALLY well. Sometimes at the night I meet leggit 4 solo q players but all of them are ofc on their own very good players with thousands of hours.
They did everything really well, split up on the gens, saved fairly quick and where doing really good in chases, using loops and tiles very skilled and smart, didnt used up too many pallets, played save and didnt made major mistakes and made it out all 4 or 3 sometimes without much issues. I often ask them and check the friendlist of them and they are mostly indeed all solo q at late nights.
As long as survivors play save and dont do much or big mistakes or throw the game hard then even solo q can beat up your ass its not just swf.
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FAX 100%
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I mean that means... game is survivor sided?
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IF the survivors play in a very efficiant way and teamplay with meta perks and items then yes.
It also depends on the map, map spawns, killer, addons and perks you use.
Do you play a blight with alchemists ring and iri blight tag and full anti gen? Then the game may be balanced
Do you play a nemi chan? No you will most likely have a big fat loss with just 1 kill, if you are lucky and they messed up then maybe 2.
Its hard to say in the end if the game is survivor sided or not, there are a lot of factors but in terms of higher level play yes the game is survivor sided. But ppl use this term so easily on the smallest issues to justify why they lost which is just cringe to see.
I host my own tournaments and i keep seeing ppl trying to find excuses to their losses and often blame (mostly even) the maps which wherent most of the time the reason WHY they lost.
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It's called infinite hook effect, where you're getting many hooks but they don't die. Dude I been playing this game for 4 years now but man I just need to get better at the game, right? Lmfao. Yeah it looks like you don't have experience as a killer if you're surprised I got many hooks but lost 5 gens, that's dbd survivor sided game for you. I should play another game? ask yourself why I haven't stopped playing or just played other games, though that's none of your business but oh well.
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I'm bronze ranks facing iridescent swfs
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What do they want ?
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Dude I been playing this game for 4 years now but man I just need to get better at the game, right?
That's what it sounds like.
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You can't stop survivors doing sabo, you are dead when survivors are on the hook.
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