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Cheating epidemic in DBD
10% of players who play DBD use cheats of some kind.
That’s a huge number of players. What’s being done about this? I’ve seen the question asked in the Q&A sessions and it gets the most likes out of any other questions, but the the Devs appear to ignore it.
So is that behavior’s stance? Ignore it?
My grandfather had cancer. He ignored it, didn’t tell anyone. He’s dead now.
Hope you guys speak up soon.
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They responded to a question about cheaters in their latest Q&A
Here's a timestamp for you
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They were supposedly gonna have some way to combat cheater from the mid chapter but i really doubt it was good enough if they popped up again 2 hours after. And I will once again say, so much for trying not to give cheater "advance notice". Like obviously you cant remove it entirely but seeing it so soon after the mid chapter....
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I get that addressing the hacking itself is difficult, but the way they address the hackers needs change. Hackers openly gloat about the responses they get when caught with blatant evidence and make note of how slow/minor the consequences will be.
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And it doesn’t look like it’s gotten any better.
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You do realise that cheat manufacturers are going to give inflated statistics as to how many people cheat, so they can encourage people to buy their cheats right? Dowsey just taking that unverified number as fact is pretty stupid of him, stop spreading misinformation.
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Game is still full of cheaters i hate it. I think if you are a dev its easy to ban the cheaters. But in mine opion they do nothing
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I mean... it can’t be easy otherwise cheaters probably wouldn’t exist.
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Learn to report properly.
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I see the combo of ds and dh on WAY more than 10% of players lol
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In all seriousness many cheaters do minor running speed buffs to hide it.
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To compare cheating in DBD to a person dying of cancer. Wrong train of thought my friend.
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I'm sorry but I've never in my life heard of a single game where 10% of players on any platform cheat, that's a ridiculous number. And of course a cheater/cheat dev will say stuff that might normalize it a little bit, it's in their interest to do so.
Not saying it's not a problem but that's absurd. I'm sure cheat devs would absolutely love if everyone started believing any remotely "sus" event like a killer finding you by pure luck or a survivor reading you really well a single time is because of subtle cheating 100% of the time, as that's when you get wacky mindsets like "I have cheats, but I only toggle when someone else does!".
EDIT: And even in a world where it was actually true... a lot of those "players" would be alt accounts of the same actual person. Cheaters often have more than one in case they get banned, and the truly dedicated ones (the ones that you basically can't truly stop because they will buy new consoles to dodge console bans, endlessly bypass IP/HWID bans, make endless accounts to dodge account bans and so on) can have truly absurd numbers of them.
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I feel part of the reason it's bad is that an air of "some cheating is okay" has been fostered by the devs and community due to dev refusal to actually ban "acceptable" cheats like comms, stretched res, exploits etc or even admit they are cheating. These are all a-ok and never bannable and the devs even try to make excuses to why these outside advantages aren't cheating like other outside advantages.. Creates a sort of arms race, and with the devs pretty much totally hands off on dealing with cheating, it just means things keep getting worse. When you basically ok various types of cheating such as stretched res and in game exploits for years, it can create a community who feels cheating isn't that big of a deal. If the devs actually went hard against all forms of cheating, then things might change.
Also reporting is a pain. I'm sorry, but I'm not going to take video of every match, edit video, resize it for whatever size requirements the site has etc just so behavior can maybe ban them in 4 weeks. Make it easier to actually report people.
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Well it’s good that they say they are doing something, but that’s really strange because I keep getting cheaters in my games. Blatent cheating, like insta heals, not being effected by the doctors madness. They even instant healed my wife after the killer hit her. So it seems like they can effect other players as well.
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Those numbers are just his own guess. I highly doubt it. I guess its more a regional issues.
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When we are remaining silent about cheaters, its often happening in order to break this cycle.
Still, the cycle is only getting stronger somehow. Here is some food for thought: in minecraft you can't fly or run with speedhacks without being automatically kicked out of the game, without any special kind of anti-cheat software, just by the base game itself. In DbD, however, you can.
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Something I learned semi-recently
Apparently cheaters can do stuff like hatchet throwing ghostface and a myers that can put RBTs on people because literally every killers power is loaded into a trial regardless if the killer is playing them or not
P sure that's how it works anyway
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Its about how much time you spend on it and what your priority. Everytime i see free bloodpoints OR a sale on clothing OR other things. I want a fair game and i think a lot of others also. I never red something that 10.000 pc players are banned for cheating. If you remove pc players from crossplay its over. Easy and simpel solution i guess.
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Im surprised that I've only seen this now, but the fact that a streamer of this size doing something like this didnt gain much traction
Thats a huge claim that hes doing right there, and if say 10k people have bought those cheats, they arent going to be online every single day. Same goes for literally any one whos played DbD. Theres probably over a million people who play DbD every day, but there are only so many of them on at a time because most people dont play a single game all day every day, time zones and there mostly because there are other games out there.
This whole thing seems like its spreading misinformation, and honestly with recent events it doesnt surprise me the kind of treatment hes getting
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nothing against Dowsey but everyone who plays this game regularly should know that 10% is way to high of a number. I've seen hackers and cheaters (had one today morning) but it's maybe 1 every 20 matches.
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Honestly, all of gaming is suffering a cheating pandemic right now, not just DbD, and it saddens me.
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I'm not so sure.
Right now, Steam is averaging around 50K players. I'd say it's reasonable to assume that the EGS and other stores boost that number to 80K. If 10% of those people are cheating in some way shape or form, that's 8,000 cheaters.
I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that Playstation has around the same player count as PC, so that's another 80K players. Add in Xbox and Switch and you get another 40K, I think.
So in total, we have around 200,000 players. 8,000/200,000 comes out to be about 4% of the total population using cheats in some way.
Of course, other than Steam numbers, we don't really know the other platforms. I'm just trying to make logical assumptions.
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Yes. You can click on the dummy button to flag the match.
Will I record every match and upload on YT, where onlything that can be proven are obvious speed hacks and boasting?
No thanks
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3-5x worse is unlikely.
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This. Even if you don't have a functioning anti-cheat, you can drive off a lot of cheaters just through high turnover rates and forcing them to buy another burner account on the daily. Most people will consider this not worth it and go somewhere else. (Of course, burner accounts were more of an obstacle before the Epic Games Store release...)
On DBD, you can get away with visibly obvious hacking and outright baiting the mods in chat for months. The report system is defunct and cheaters have near-zero fear of retaliation.
All of that said, I'm extremely dubious about this 10% statistic. I'd be surprised if it were as high as 2%.
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Burner accounts will never be an issue again for the cheaters due to epic game store. One of the cheater seller guys (might be the same one in dowsey's pic) claimed cheaters used scripts to claim thousands of accounts so they'd never run out. The Epic game store release pretty much killed any chance of ever dealing with cheatig via turn over.
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acceptable cheats like comms
Ah, didn't know playing SWF was considered cheating. Perhaps the easiest way to combat this is just to remove the play with friends feature. What a wild take.
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random number pulled from an untrustworthy source and promoted by a major content creator, nice
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Remove the pc players from crossplay. Problem solved
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I think it's crazy that someone who can bash DBD for it's reduction of player count on one video, then turns around and says that there's currently over 10k people hacking in DBD, or 10%. That would mean that there's currently 100k players at any given time, which isn't true. That was peak months ago on steam.
Right now there's on average 40k players, 10% of that would be 4000 people. Which still isn't great, but also isn't that bad. Obviously these numbers don't include any other means of playing other than steam.
I don't hate the idea of giving that option, as it means a lot less players(console) would have to worry about cheaters. However it could also increase queue times.
In the few years I've played, thousands of games, and can count on one hand the amount of times I've played against a cheater even with crossplay enabled.
I think content creators do encounter them more just because they're content creators and get targeted. But either I've faced tons of hackers that were just reallyyyyy sneaky, or people are using the knowledge of there being hackers in this game to explain bad gameplay. 🤷 Maybe you just got beat.
I'm not saying it's not an issue, because it very much is. And I do think Behavior could definitely improve their skills at combatting it. But I don't think the numbers are anywhere what people claim them to be.
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console players with crossplay turned off still get hackers, people found ways to enable it for themselves before it even got enabled for everyone.
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Happened to me once as well, so frustrating.
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Ideally its not so much the cheaters you want to ban as much as you want to look at the cheat software reverse engineer it and find ways to plug their exploits in your own code. Granted i realize its usually a bit of both as you need to punish a few so as to not encourage future players from trying. Granted i know its harder then i make it seem
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Sadly somebody stupidly signed off on a free deal with epic games. No amount of manual banning and reporting will solve the issue now, and their last fix was cracked within a day. Looks like they will need to spend money instead of trying to deal with it internally.
It will never happen.
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Of course SWF is cheating. They communicate the location of killer and coordinate gens and saves etc. There are entire sets of perks designed to give you a small glimpse of the killer's aura... you don't need any of that when you have 4 people on discord communiating killer presence and activites.
What made me quit Killer for good, was when someone told me the developers of this game actually defended SWF and said it wasn't cheating or an advantage. I lol'd and knew what the deal was at that moment. Now I main survivor and have fun.
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If you turned crossplay off on console you wait till Christmas for a game. Thats the sick part from this. So you have to turn it on to get a game. Included with the no skills cheaters
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Run some off Meta Perks with odd functions and see how many times you get called a Cheater/Hacker because you didn't run NOED, Ruin, Undying. It's no wonder BHVR can't police the players if they're dealing with stupid people reporting a player without looking at Perks, Add-ons and the Killer's Power.
Report system needs a full overhaul though. I've never played an online game that required third-party websites for video evidence. A simple drag and drop would be really nice, and make it so much more palatable to actually report someone. I don't anymore since the last two people I did, obvious speed hackers (although the one was funny AF since gens got done in 3 seconds with old ruin explosions included), got 0 views on my video I wasted time uploading to YT then linking on the report form. There's just no point in reporting since nothing gets done about it anyways.
I've yet to face an obvious hacker since I came back, possibly someone with a subtle speed hack, but some of that is due to latency as well on our lovely servers. I don't think it's that big of an issue though for regular players, but streamers will for sure be targetted since the hacker gets a chance to show off the product. The bigger the name, the better the publicity for them.
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So many people have the answer yet here we are
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In order for it to be misinformation, you have to prove it is misinformation. Let me guess, you think Joe Rogan needs to be taken down from Spotify?
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I did some very rough estimates in a prior comment.
It comes out to be around 4% of the total DBD playerbase. Only around 8000 people cheating via my estimates, which, full disclosure, are likely totally wrong.
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Just remove the report button then, it literally does nothing
The real report option is way too complicated. Make the ingame report option the real way, its so much simplier, its just pointless
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Curious, how do you gather this data?
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I didn't.
I guessed.
We know Steam's numbers. EGS and Windows Store + Stadia are all smaller than Steam. I averaged Steam out to 50K and added 30K on top of it. If we take the 10% estimate from the cheater, we get 8000 players cheating.
We know Playstation is a huge platform, likely equal to Steam based off of PS4's and PS5's sold. That's another 50K. Xbox is likely around 2/3 of Playstation and Switch is.... :( so that likely makes Console's around 90K players-ish. That's about 170,000 average players in total.
That's about 5% of players cheating.
As for the actual numbers, nobody knows. I just tried to ballpark it, a proof of concept if you will.
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Makes sense. It's a better formula than I've heard thus far. I'm not sure we will ever know the true value. Other than... you know... "too freaking many".
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Considering PC makes up (likely) less than half of the playerbase, 10% of all PC players cheating honestly isn't as wild of a claim as it seems.
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Not that I saying he is incapable of lying, but I think the guy that sells the cheats as some part of hacking coalition is the one most likely to have the most accurate numbers. I doubt the majority of cheaters are outing themselves in any other way than receipts.
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I agree.
I don't think they have much to gain by saying 10% of all PC players cheat. In all likelihood, that'll just make people hound BHVR harder to get the cheating under control which isn't good for them.
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It is a little disturbing though, if the claim is true, that it takes less than 24 hours for them to workaround a BHVR "fix".
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I wouldn't be particularly surprised.
BHVR's problem has always been that they are so slow at making changes.
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I cannot believe you would stoop to such a low claim. You know damn well that being able to mix and matched linked sets is an exploit BHVR takes very seriously, and will be corrected IMMEDIATELY.
How dare you.
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