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BT Basekit
I honestly can see why they are considering this. How many times a day do you get survivors running up to the hook to unhook you right in front of the killer without BT because they feel like it? We either need a way to kick survivors away who try and unhook us or yeah sadly need to make BT base kit. Or need more players who aren't morons.
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Should we balance game around stupidity of players, or tools they have? that's the problem.
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Sadly it's not something I want tbh. If you want BT then it should be a perk imho. That'd be broken to have THAT and 4 other meta perks on top of it. I'm just getting sick and tired of idiot teammates who play like that. Honestly If we can just get a kick away button perfectly content. But I shouldn't have to pay the price because a random wanted to be a selfish moron and unhook me right in front of the killer just so they can get their points. Not cool. :/
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Why don't survivors start leading the killer away from the hook, instead of right back toward it? Sounds crazy, I know, but sometimes killers aren't even trying to camp/tunnel and it kinda happens because people divebomb the hook. everyone wants to be rewarded for horrifically bad saves.
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That comes down to survivors ACTUALLY trying to do that instead of just looping them right next to me cuz they want to. Also obviously if the killer chooses to leave the hook both contribute to that sadly. I know not every killer is trying to camp/tunnel/proxy w/e. That's why I wish we could get a kick away mechanic or something that way we can prevent crappy teammates from making idiotic plays and letting them be rewarded for it.
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I'm actually not averse to the idea, but it would have to be changed so that the unhooked person cannot use BT to aggressively trigger all the Hag traps in the area while bodyblocking.
Killers would also need something to compensate for what will amount to 100% guaranteed safe unhooks though. Baseline Fire Up or something?
Let's see how the camping change plays out combined with the new survivor status icons before we totally upend the game though.
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Crappy teammates are literally what balances the game. Until thats addressed, killers need to take advantage of survivor mistakes, not be punished for survivors making mistakes. It absolutely sucks to be the survivor on the receiving end of it, but its an unfortunate truth. The only thing you can do is get better at nullifying killer advantages with your own skill and awareness, and shrug off bad teammates refusing to do the same for you.
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As others said above, it comes down to how well the survivor plays as a team. This is where the MMR really hurts survivors i feel b/c if you die due to poor teamwork, your MMR score drops and the cycle continues. There are entire essays on this forum discussing the problems with current MMR. My opinion is BHVR just needs to add other categories to the scoring besides kills/escapes.
I mainly play survivor & i don't agree with base kit BT. As much as i would exploit the ######### out of it, it would be a bad move on BHVR part to attempt to buff solo up to swf.
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I still think Basekitting BT is the quickest way to make BT irrelevant. If a killer is going to tunnel you, it's going to happen. With BT in question, they might hit you and give you the speed boost you need to bolt away but if the killer goes in KNOWING you have BT, do you think the killer is going to
A. Have a change of heart and stop tunneling
B. Wait X seconds to then smack you instead
At least right now the killer has some risk/reward to smacking you right off the hook but make BT basekit and all you're going to get is tunneled but after X seconds have passed
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the next goalpost would become "BT unhook timer shouldn't start until outside the TR" and next thing you know, every killer is suddenly post-nerf legion.
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Bt should not be basekit, what they should do is let us see each others perks in the lobby
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It's not going to help the survivors that imply it's necessity just coordinated swf and against really low ranking killers that don't know how to counter.
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The thing is, BT Basekit would actually make sense. Because BT is a band-aid for camping (something which BHVR gets criticized for a lot, when they introduce fixes via Perks). But, the Survivor on the Hook has no control over it, I can bring BT all the time, but this does not mean that the Survivor unhooking me will have it.
However, it highly depends what they will do with it. They wont give the Survivors the current BT as Basekit and dont give anything back to the Killer. They will either help Killers in a different aspect or make a watered down version of BT Basekit. The latter can actually turn out to be worse, because it might be even easier to tunnel afterwards.
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No worries, at the same time they will make insidous basekit.
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the vast majority of survivors who claim they need BT, use it solely to not be punished for bad saves. I almost never run it, yet i get saves just fine thanks to other perks like Kindred.
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This was not even my point, but thx I guess.
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I think making BT base kit while not at the exact same time giving killers something equally as strong will probably kill the game or at least add another 5 minutes to queues. It's hilarious that in a time where killer players are dropping like flies, the devs and others are still suggesting doing more to cause the last few to quit. Is the end goal bots?
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You literally started with "BT Basekit would actually make sense" when no, no it would not. Because its not necessary at all, which is the point of making things basekit.
TBH I should have gone into how what you're implying in the post is dangerously close to how BT was when it affected both the unhooker and the unhooked, which was rightfully nerfed.
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No, not really. But thx again.
I wrote that you have no control over the Survivor who is unhooking you. So if they have BT or not.
Because you can write "its not necessary at all". Yeah, I would like others to actually have BT. And it does not matter if the Killer is actually camping or if they are just farming me.
This is something you cant control.
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You're right. There are many things you can't control in the game. Your teammates actions might as well be the same RNG that determines hook spawns, totem placements, and anything else. I'd love if gens spawned in even spacing to prevent 3 gen setups, deadzones to never happen, etc. And likewise, I'm sure killers would love to not have scourge hooks cluster in a corner of the map, ruin to spawn in LoS of survivors, and so on. Sometimes its just not in your favor, but that doesn't mean you need a safety net for free in this one situation.
The biggest difference is that survivor behavior and tactics are caused by a person. A person who can learn from bad plays and improve. Giving them crutches rewards bad plays, so they continue to make them without needing to think "huh, maybe I should have thought that out better."
The majority of my improvement in the game has come from learning from mistakes. Brute forcing the same mistakes over and over and relying on a crutch in the process teaches nothing.
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They never said that bt will be base kit but ok.
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"The majority of my improvement in the game has come from learning from mistakes. Brute forcing the same mistakes over and over and relying on a crutch in the process teaches nothing."
Ah, yes. I will now learn from my mistake and avoid getting unhooked by Survivors who dont have BT. Thank you. You changed my life. If I would be able to do 10% of what you can do, I would be a better person.
Seriously, a Perk which only helps you if another person has it is a band-aid.
And BHVR at least seems to think about a solution. But as I said before, it depends what they do. E.g. if they make BT Basekit, but nerf it by reducing the Endurance, they would probably buff camping.
In the end, I am not a big fan of BT being basekit, but the thought process makes sense.
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Patrick intentionally skipped BT twice.
Even when peanits asked him on clarifying since it was bt ds question
So either BT or kinda BT is becoming a base kit, or they will see it not as a great solution and not add it. But BHVR and bad decision/solutions is match made in heaven
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Ah, yes. I will now learn from my mistake and avoid getting unhooked by Survivors who dont have BT.don't know if you missed the point on purpose, but the point was that situation is the one you can't control, but its also the one where said survivor needs to learn to not do that stuff, because its a bad play. To you being unhooked? Its bad luck in the same way that bad RNG is, its just caused by a human player who has not (or refuses) to learn better. If you want something where your perk makes the difference, run kindred so they can see the other survivors (as well as the killer if they're near the hook) and hopefully gain some sense.
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I am aware of this, I also watched the stream, still doesnt mean BT as basekit. Just saying dont get the hopes up too high.
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I'm fine with base kit BT if it means you lose collision and cannot body block for your savior/another survivor.
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