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Freddy Doesn't Need A Buff..

BeanieEnthusiast
BeanieEnthusiast Member Posts: 213
edited November 2018 in General Discussions

And I have the proof right here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEYgo6Rzahk&list=PLaM0ISRvGbrRHVKLiev-s4SRK1RK0IMBK

I was asked to do this a while ago on this forum because I was arguing that he was fine where he was, and people were being smart asses. Well here it is I did it.

Stop complaining that he needs a buff, he doesn't.

EDIT: IT'S A WHOLE PLAYLIST

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC492DuOam085OixOR0zJCNw

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  • FayeZahara
    FayeZahara Member Posts: 965
    One video on rank 16 killer proves nothing. Even 1 video on rank 1 proves nothing cause its an overall experience with freddy felt by community. I haven't felt the weakness of freddy to much but more that he aint freddy.  i know now from this halloween event from having to play survivor freddy is weak. Always played distraction and we all escaped. He is only one i can abuse as a survivor. Self care rescues me from him so easy.
  • Zarathos
    Zarathos Member Posts: 1,910
    edited November 2018
    Rank 16 and two dcs? Sure. Look buddy ive taken this guy to rank 1 and there are means and ways you can play him in high ranks its just really dirty and it often involves primarily only block add ons the rest of his add ons are garbage. Pill bottle class photo is maybe good but the core problem of freddy is hes heavily countered by self care which is in every survivour build which utterly wrecks him.

    If they made it so you couldnt recieve skill checks from self care in the dream world he'd be fine but currently freddy is weak. He also cannot cancel action like cleansing totems or fixing gens which is super problematic. Covers these two gaping holes of weakness and maybe freddy might be viable. But overall his kit needs to be revaluated. Espicially considering thematically freddy power dosent fit his character. Hes suppose to be more deadly as he spreads fear yet the dreamstate only slows the game down. 
  • BeanieEnthusiast
    BeanieEnthusiast Member Posts: 213

    Edit: It's a whole playlist, the forum only linked the video for some dumb reason. It goes all the way to rank 1.

  • BeanieEnthusiast
    BeanieEnthusiast Member Posts: 213

    @Chi said:
    My dude...
    You are at rank 16.

    Even completely setting aside your rank. (Which I shouldn't but whatever.)
    This is just one game. Any killer could get a good game as Freddy perkless. That doesn't mean his power is strong, it either means the killer is competent or the survivors are potatoes.

    It's a whole playlist to rank 1.

  • BeanieEnthusiast
    BeanieEnthusiast Member Posts: 213

    @Malakir said:
    Is this a joke?

    It's a whole playlist to rank 1.

  • Master
    Master Member Posts: 10,200
    edited November 2018

    @BeanieEnthusiast said:
    And I have the proof right here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEYgo6Rzahk&list=PLaM0ISRvGbrRHVKLiev-s4SRK1RK0IMBK

    I was asked to do this a while ago on this forum because I was arguing that he was fine where he was, and people were being smart asses. Well here it is I did it.

    Stop complaining that he needs a buff, he doesn't.

    EDIT: IT'S A WHOLE PLAYLIST

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC492DuOam085OixOR0zJCNw

    Rank 16

    Next time use your brain before you embarass yourself

    and even if there is a video at rank 1 of one freddy doing well, everyone knows what rank means.....

  • BeanieEnthusiast
    BeanieEnthusiast Member Posts: 213

    @Zarathos said:
    Rank 16 and two dcs? Sure. Look buddy ive taken this guy to rank 1 and there are means and ways you can play him in high ranks its just really dirty and it often involves primarily only block add ons the rest of his add ons are garbage. Pill bottle class photo is maybe good but the core problem of freddy is hes heavily countered by self care which is in every survivour build which utterly wrecks him.

    If they made it so you couldnt recieve skill checks from self care in the dream world he'd be fine but currently freddy is weak. He also cannot cancel action like cleansing totems or fixing gens which is super problematic. Covers these two gaping holes of weakness and maybe freddy might be viable. But overall his kit needs to be revaluated. Espicially considering thematically freddy power dosent fit his character. Hes suppose to be more deadly as he spreads fear yet the dreamstate only slows the game down. 

    It's a whole playlist to rank 1.

  • BeanieEnthusiast
    BeanieEnthusiast Member Posts: 213

    @FayeZahara said:
    One video on rank 16 killer proves nothing. Even 1 video on rank 1 proves nothing cause its an overall experience with freddy felt by community. I haven't felt the weakness of freddy to much but more that he aint freddy.  i know now from this halloween event from having to play survivor freddy is weak. Always played distraction and we all escaped. He is only one i can abuse as a survivor. Self care rescues me from him so easy.

    It's a whole playlist to rank 1.

  • BeanieEnthusiast
    BeanieEnthusiast Member Posts: 213

    @Master said:

    @BeanieEnthusiast said:
    And I have the proof right here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEYgo6Rzahk&list=PLaM0ISRvGbrRHVKLiev-s4SRK1RK0IMBK

    I was asked to do this a while ago on this forum because I was arguing that he was fine where he was, and people were being smart asses. Well here it is I did it.

    Stop complaining that he needs a buff, he doesn't.

    EDIT: IT'S A WHOLE PLAYLIST

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC492DuOam085OixOR0zJCNw

    Rank 16

    Next time use your brain before you embarass yourself

    and even if there is a video at rank 1 of one freddy doing well, everyone knows what rank means.....

    It's a whole playlist to rank 1 if you care to read.

  • ChesterTheMolester
    ChesterTheMolester Member Posts: 2,771
    edited November 2018

    @Master said:

    @BeanieEnthusiast said:
    And I have the proof right here:

    I was asked to do this a while ago on this forum because I was arguing that he was fine where he was, and people were being smart asses. Well here it is I did it.

    Stop complaining that he needs a buff, he doesn't.

    EDIT: IT'S A WHOLE PLAYLIST

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC492DuOam085OixOR0zJCNw

    Rank 16

    Next time use your brain before you embarass yourself

    and even if there is a video at rank 1 of one freddy doing well, everyone knows what rank means.....

    It's a whole playlist to rank 1 if you care to read.

    I've seen some of it and i gotta ask.

    Can i switch the survivors i get with your potatos?
  • BeanieEnthusiast
    BeanieEnthusiast Member Posts: 213

    @ChesterTheMolester said:
    BeanieEnthusiast said:

    @Master said:

     @BeanieEnthusiast said:
    

    And I have the proof right here:

    I was asked to do this a while ago on this forum because I was arguing that he was fine where he was, and people were being smart asses. Well here it is I did it.

    Stop complaining that he needs a buff, he doesn't.

    EDIT: IT'S A WHOLE PLAYLIST

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC492DuOam085OixOR0zJCNw

    Rank 16
    
    Next time use your brain before you embarass yourself
    

    and even if there is a video at rank 1 of one freddy doing well, everyone knows what rank means.....

    It's a whole playlist to rank 1 if you care to read.

    I've seen some of it and i gotta ask.

    Can i switch the survivors i get with your potatos?

    I think most survivors in this game aren't that great honestly.

  • DemonDaddy
    DemonDaddy Member Posts: 4,168
    edited November 2018
    The video doesn't make a strong argument for a few reasons;
    1. You are playing at training rank
    2. You did well, making smart plays and few mistakes, kudos
    3. Survivors did not make smart plays, many doubled back right into you

    It was a good match for you, but encountered few if any Freddy issues. Freddy's weakness is team coordination and that was lacking in the video. 

  • BeanieEnthusiast
    BeanieEnthusiast Member Posts: 213

    @DemonDaddy said:
    The video doesn't make a strong argument for a few reasons;
    1. You are playing at training rank
    2. You did well and making smart plays and few mistakes, kudos
    3. Survivors did not make smart plays, many doubled back right into you

    It was a good match for you, but encountered few if any Freddy issues. Freddy's weakness is team coordination and that was lacking in the video. 

    It's a whole playlist if you care to read. The link is there.

  • bendermac
    bendermac Member Posts: 772

    Freddy is fun on paper. But in reality he sucks. Getting a 4K in higher or even high ranks is really tough. Survivor blast through and you just waiting for them to fall asleep. I had like 10 Freddy games today and it was a chore to get them done. It's freaking hard, especially against SWF
    Don't pick Freddy if you want to win. I switched back to Meyers and BOOM much more fun and success.

  • Master
    Master Member Posts: 10,200

    @BeanieEnthusiast said:

    @Master said:

    @BeanieEnthusiast said:
    And I have the proof right here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEYgo6Rzahk&list=PLaM0ISRvGbrRHVKLiev-s4SRK1RK0IMBK

    I was asked to do this a while ago on this forum because I was arguing that he was fine where he was, and people were being smart asses. Well here it is I did it.

    Stop complaining that he needs a buff, he doesn't.

    EDIT: IT'S A WHOLE PLAYLIST

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC492DuOam085OixOR0zJCNw

    Rank 16

    Next time use your brain before you embarass yourself

    and even if there is a video at rank 1 of one freddy doing well, everyone knows what rank means.....

    It's a whole playlist to rank 1 if you care to read.

    If you care to read, read the 2nd part

  • Hey, at least Freddy can do something, he has the ability to slow down the game. All I'm saying is, that's better than what Trapper, Leatherface, and Clown can do.

  • BeanieEnthusiast
    BeanieEnthusiast Member Posts: 213

    @Master said:

    @BeanieEnthusiast said:

    @Master said:

    @BeanieEnthusiast said:
    And I have the proof right here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEYgo6Rzahk&list=PLaM0ISRvGbrRHVKLiev-s4SRK1RK0IMBK

    I was asked to do this a while ago on this forum because I was arguing that he was fine where he was, and people were being smart asses. Well here it is I did it.

    Stop complaining that he needs a buff, he doesn't.

    EDIT: IT'S A WHOLE PLAYLIST

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC492DuOam085OixOR0zJCNw

    Rank 16

    Next time use your brain before you embarass yourself

    and even if there is a video at rank 1 of one freddy doing well, everyone knows what rank means.....

    It's a whole playlist to rank 1 if you care to read.

    If you care to read, read the 2nd part

    So the video is the first one from the playlist and you call it out for being rank 16, but then you say rank doesn't matter so what was the point of calling that out in the first place? Seems pretty stupid to me.

  • BeanieEnthusiast
    BeanieEnthusiast Member Posts: 213

    @Mrrgle_the_Mediocre said:
    Hey, at least Freddy can do something, he has the ability to slow down the game. All I'm saying is, that's better than what Trapper, Leatherface, and Clown can do.

    I've been saying that even before I did this 'challenge'. Freddy has a much easier time with no perks/addons than say leatherface or wraith who have no way of slowing down progression without perks. Freddy isn't a bad killer and I certainly don't think he needs a buff. I had no trouble at all getting him from rank 16 to 1 with no perks or addons.

  • Attackfrog
    Attackfrog Member Posts: 1,134
    I actually have quite a bit of fun with Freddy but he is very challenging to play. I actually do way worse with trapper but Freddy (and trapper) are definitely not as strong as Doc or Nurse (when I am really paying attention). 

    It would be nice to get the weaker heroes up to par with even more mid tier killers. Freddy is definitely on the lower end (even though I have 4k'd with him in the past).
  • Master
    Master Member Posts: 10,200

    @BeanieEnthusiast said:

    @Master said:

    @BeanieEnthusiast said:

    @Master said:

    @BeanieEnthusiast said:
    And I have the proof right here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEYgo6Rzahk&list=PLaM0ISRvGbrRHVKLiev-s4SRK1RK0IMBK

    I was asked to do this a while ago on this forum because I was arguing that he was fine where he was, and people were being smart asses. Well here it is I did it.

    Stop complaining that he needs a buff, he doesn't.

    EDIT: IT'S A WHOLE PLAYLIST

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC492DuOam085OixOR0zJCNw

    Rank 16

    Next time use your brain before you embarass yourself

    and even if there is a video at rank 1 of one freddy doing well, everyone knows what rank means.....

    It's a whole playlist to rank 1 if you care to read.

    If you care to read, read the 2nd part

    So the video is the first one from the playlist and you call it out for being rank 16, but then you say rank doesn't matter so what was the point of calling that out in the first place? Seems pretty stupid to me.

    At rank 16 you play literally against players that just bought the game. You cant even derank to rank 16 with the new system.

    But you are probably new to the game, so nvm

  • MhhBurgers
    MhhBurgers Member Posts: 1,758

    I got merciless most of the time till rank1 on freddy and I still say he's weak as #########. He's literally a basekiller that has to wait 7 secs before he can do anything to survivors.

  • Zarathos
    Zarathos Member Posts: 1,910

    Hey, at least Freddy can do something, he has the ability to slow down the game. All I'm saying is, that's better than what Trapper, Leatherface, and Clown can do.

    Ok leatherface trapper i might potentially agree with you. But clown is the best 1 v 1 killer - nurse and maybe spirit. No other killer can mess up the pallet looping game of survivours like the clown. Just dont brainless hook someone in high ranks all the time. Clown can get a lot of slugs going if your smart. 
  • PhantomMask20763
    PhantomMask20763 Member Posts: 5,176

    OK, been a Freddy main since he released and I can tell you that he is weak. Just because I can do well with him at rank 1 doesn't mean that he is good. Perkless Freddy suffers at honestly any rank. Your whole match as Freddy depends on the survivors you face. Now I think he should be strong but most of the buff ideas I have for him are more QoL. Such as default transition time 5 seconds, rework some of his addons to make them more useful (Because right now only the block ones are good although I do like pill bottle and class photo). I've been playing Freddy for a year now I think and in all this time I've had my good matches and my bad matches. While he is better than Leatherface (imo) he doesn't have anything to help him in the chase. You know what that's fine, he slows down the game a bit but it should honestly be harder to wake up because right now you can just fail a skill check right in front of his face and make him have to start all over again to gain some distance. Why should a killer be countered by ONE perk that everyone runs. That's bad design. Freddy is a fun killer for me to play and I've learned most of his strategies (Dream transition appearance and disappearance, trying to lower terror radius ect.) But he really needs a few buffs

  • Maelstrom1313
    Maelstrom1313 Member Posts: 230

    I have been a Freddy main since he came to the game an i can easily play with or without perks at any rank (i have done this many times from rank 20 to rank 1 with and without perks) against 4 randoms or group of 4 swf an i can guarantee 9 outta 10 times I will get a 4k he don't need buffed. He is quite easy to get used to everyone always complains he is either weakest or just in general a bad killer untillthey lose to him an it's all 'luck' lol

  • Malakir
    Malakir Member Posts: 799
    Dude, then you might be just a decent killer overall but Freddy can't hit anybody unless he warn them for 7s before do anything.

    I literally forced him to put me on dream state for like 4 times in a row blowing gens. Try to do that to any other killer even without power. You won't

    I don't have Freddy but I face him sometimes and when I hear his lullaby I know its an easy game. Cant stop unhook, can be body blocked hard on hooks when he pick up survivors. The only good thing is that he has base mov speed. Even during chase with self Care I got away from the dream giving me 7s to reach another loop, I'm talking about as survivor prospective that loves horror movies, he's a joke
  • iceman2kx
    iceman2kx Member Posts: 462

    7/10 troll

  • only1biggs
    only1biggs Member Posts: 1,178

    gg's

    but Freddy still needs a buff

  • MasonHugsCats
    MasonHugsCats Member Posts: 135
    Really. I got Freddy to level 40 on rank one. When I went back to the clown I was so happy. I couldn't remember how to play clown properly because it wasn't in my muscle memory so I basically played a basic killer with no ability and it was so ridiculously easy being able to hit people without waiting 10 seconds. Freddy is so unbelileviably weak it's amazing. The fact literally a killer with no perks or add-ons is less tedious and easier to play than Freddy is so mind boggling 
  • DocFabron
    DocFabron Member Posts: 2,410
    You're absolutely right. Weakest killer in the game doesn't need buffs at all. We need a killer who can not only be a meme to the community, but also a clown to the survivors in the game. We should nerf all killers to Freddy's level.

    In fact, they should slap some big red squeaky noses and shoes on each of the killers.

    /s
  • BeanieEnthusiast
    BeanieEnthusiast Member Posts: 213

    @Master said:

    @BeanieEnthusiast said:

    @Master said:

    @BeanieEnthusiast said:

    @Master said:

    @BeanieEnthusiast said:
    And I have the proof right here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEYgo6Rzahk&list=PLaM0ISRvGbrRHVKLiev-s4SRK1RK0IMBK

    I was asked to do this a while ago on this forum because I was arguing that he was fine where he was, and people were being smart asses. Well here it is I did it.

    Stop complaining that he needs a buff, he doesn't.

    EDIT: IT'S A WHOLE PLAYLIST

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC492DuOam085OixOR0zJCNw

    Rank 16

    Next time use your brain before you embarass yourself

    and even if there is a video at rank 1 of one freddy doing well, everyone knows what rank means.....

    It's a whole playlist to rank 1 if you care to read.

    If you care to read, read the 2nd part

    So the video is the first one from the playlist and you call it out for being rank 16, but then you say rank doesn't matter so what was the point of calling that out in the first place? Seems pretty stupid to me.

    At rank 16 you play literally against players that just bought the game. You cant even derank to rank 16 with the new system.

    But you are probably new to the game, so nvm

    New to the game but has all achievements and 3400 hours okay..

  • The_Daydreamer
    The_Daydreamer Member Posts: 745

    I have just some few things to say:
    1. You can kill as many as possible, that won't prove anything. Cause you can kill survivor with every killer.
    2. People are saying that freddy is the weakest, because he has too many negative parts on his ability, etc. He is overall not good enough compared to other killers. That doesnt mean, that you can't play with him or kill survivors with him.

  • BeanieEnthusiast
    BeanieEnthusiast Member Posts: 213

    @The_Daydreamer said:
    I have just some few things to say:
    1. You can kill as many as possible, that won't prove anything. Cause you can kill survivor with every killer.
    2. People are saying that freddy is the weakest, because he has too many negative parts on his ability, etc. He is overall not good enough compared to other killers. That doesnt mean, that you can't play with him or kill survivors with him.

    He's still better than wraith or cannibal with no perks considering freddy slows down the game speed a ######### tonne. Plus you also have reverse deerstalker on freddy which allows you to see survivors anywhere when out of your terror radius. The ONLY, and I repeat, ONLY negative thing about freddy, is that you have to wait after putting someone to sleep. Which isn't even that long. Derp. I'll also say that this whole challenge that I did, was with no perks or addons.

  • Wolf74
    Wolf74 Member Posts: 2,950

    Erm… this is from an event?
    Do you notice the magarita gens?

  • BeanieEnthusiast
    BeanieEnthusiast Member Posts: 213

    @Wolf74 said:
    Erm… this is from an event?
    Do you notice the magarita gens?

    There's a whole playlist if you care to read. And the event has nothing to do with anything.

  • BeanieEnthusiast
    BeanieEnthusiast Member Posts: 213

    @The_Daydreamer said:

    @BeanieEnthusiast said:
    He's still better than wraith or cannibal with no perks considering freddy slows down the game speed a [BAD WORD] tonne. Plus you also have reverse deerstalker on freddy which allows you to see survivors anywhere when out of your terror radius. The ONLY, and I repeat, ONLY negative thing about freddy, is that you have to wait after putting someone to sleep. Which isn't even that long. Derp. I'll also say that this whole challenge that I did, was with no perks or addons.

    Here a little List:

    Advantages (6):
    *His ability can slow down the speed of action enormously.
    *The ability to see survivors in the dream world can also be very helpful. Deerstalker is no longer necessary. Also, it can be combined great with K.O.
    *He is invisible to survivors, which allows him a moment of surprise and possibly a free hit.
    *He can not be blocked by survivors when they are not in the dream world.
    *It is quite small, which is why survivors like to estimate the distance and thus your strike range.
    *Survivors outside the dream world can hardly recognize the position of the nightmare, since the nursery rhyme does not reveal the exact position, as with the Huntress, for example. It only gets louder as Freddy gets closer.

    Disadvantages (9):
    *To reach its full potential of his ability, he must pull all survivors into the dream world.
    *He is, like many other killer, loopable as well.
    *His ability can not be combined with every perk.
    *It is mainly playable with expensive and strong add-ons, such as paint thinner or "Z" block. If necessary, also with the black box.
    *Survivors who are not in the dream world can undo potential hits. ( Not in generell, but it is possible, that the auto aim will trigger and hit the wrong person)
    *Survivors have enough time during the dream transition to jump over windows or correct their position.
    *His ability was supposed to simplify Map Control for him, but he's too slow to put a lot of pressure on it. In comparison, the nurse or hillbilly are much faster. At the same time they can keep a hunt short, which is not the case with Freddy.
    *The current Metaperk strongly speak against him. Self-care quickly counters his ability and Sprint Boost gives enough time for survivors.
    *He needs many perks from other killers, as his own perks do not support or even weaken the gameplay. Forget-me-not is the only exception.

    Just a quick note: This are points out of my guide which I made at february.

    And I've just proven with my playlist that all those disadvantages are minuscule if you know how to read loops and patrol gens properly. He's not hard at all and doesn't need a buff. Maybe put more hours into him?

  • The_Daydreamer
    The_Daydreamer Member Posts: 745

    @BeanieEnthusiast said:
    And I've just proven with my playlist that all those disadvantages are minuscule if you know how to read loops and patrol gens properly. He's not hard at all and doesn't need a buff. Maybe put more hours into him?

    I make my 4k and I dont have a problem with him. He is my lovely main. But as I said, just because we both can play with him doesn't mean that he is strong and doesnt need buff. Think about it.
    But I am glad that someone knows how to play him.

  • Toxicity23
    Toxicity23 Member Posts: 387

    I think i just got click baited. Not very smart, are you?

  • Ihatelife
    Ihatelife Member Posts: 5,069

    He needs a rework to be fun to play and against.

  • BeanieEnthusiast
    BeanieEnthusiast Member Posts: 213

    @Toxicity23 said:
    I think i just got click baited. Not very smart, are you?

    Did you even read the whole post? Probably not. Not very smart are you?

  • Mc_Harty
    Mc_Harty Member Posts: 3,293

    @BeanieEnthusiast whether Freddy needs buffs or not, no one can deny that he is extremely tedious to play as and against. He needs to be changed so players on both sides can enjoy him.

  • Wolf74
    Wolf74 Member Posts: 2,950

    @Mc_Harty said:
    @BeanieEnthusiast whether Freddy needs buffs or not, no one can deny that he is extremely tedious to play as and against. He needs to be changed so players on both sides can enjoy him.

    Please name a killer that survivor "enjoy" to play against.

  • Mc_Harty
    Mc_Harty Member Posts: 3,293

    @Wolf74 said:
    Please name a killer that survivor "enjoy" to play against.

    Myers.

  • BeanieEnthusiast
    BeanieEnthusiast Member Posts: 213

    @Wolf74 said:

    @Mc_Harty said:
    @BeanieEnthusiast whether Freddy needs buffs or not, no one can deny that he is extremely tedious to play as and against. He needs to be changed so players on both sides can enjoy him.

    Please name a killer that survivor "enjoy" to play against.

    I enjoy playing against any killer.

  • Wolf74
    Wolf74 Member Posts: 2,950

    @Mc_Harty said:

    @Wolf74 said:
    Please name a killer that survivor "enjoy" to play against.

    Myers.

    Because he is easy to loop. Easy to deny his power. Hard for him to defend stuff like ruin.
    So the answer is what I expected.

  • Mc_Harty
    Mc_Harty Member Posts: 3,293

    @Wolf74 said:
    Because he is easy to loop. Easy to deny his power. Hard for him to defend stuff like ruin.
    So the answer is what I expected.

    Because he encourages breaking LOS and has variety add-ons that was game changing at the time. Both sides praised him when he was released.

    Are you seriously arguing against the notion of players enjoying mechanics in the game? ######### lol.