Should D.S still be active if unhooking a survivor?
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No
If you unhook another survivor, DS should not be active.
It was annoying when survivors would just unhook chain each other due to DS and there wasn't much you could do besides slug everyone. Don't go for unsafe rescues if you don't want to risk being hooked.
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No
I totally agree
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No
No way
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No
I think everyone for the most part agrees already, I feel this poll is a bit out of date and looks like something that would have been discussed at the time Discussions about DS were a dime a dozen and no changes had been made yet.
For the first time in years ever since DS was released, it is finally in a good spot. It protects survivors who needs the protection, but prevents survivors from abusing that protection in ways that overtly progress the match. Which is exactly what the community was asking for. I don't think anyone is looking for any further changes to DS anytime soon (unless it's to add lockers to the list of things which deactivate it, which was on my original list and I'm still open to making happen).
Now if only the devs would take that same thoughtful action where and apply it towards perks like COH or NOED.
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No
Unhooking a survivor is, categorically and unambiguously, progressing the game. If you have the safety to go for a hook save you're not being tunnelled- and if you are being tunnelled you shouldn't be going for a hook save unless there's something else helping you out like BT.
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Yes
As long as basement and indoor maps exist, I'd say yes.
On normal maps and on non-basement hooks it should deactivate.
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No
Of all aspects, that is the most important thing to cancel out the perk. You can slug a survivor at a gen - or punish them for a risky attempt at healing, perhaps down them at a totem. But when a survivor goes for a suicide unhook, that's 100% against the killer's interest.
The killer's hooks are the same as a survivor's generators - they are sacred to the tempo. If you can trade 1 unhook for 0 for FREE so long as you have a singular perk that CANNOT be countered. That's a problem.
DS is basically a situational denial for a hook state. You cannot trade another hook state for this. It is against the core philosophy of balance itself.
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No
If you're unhooking, you aren't being tunneled.
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No
i wanted to see if people changed their minds like if they were with it as first then they realized it wasn’t as good as they thought it would be and then they’re against it kind of thing. Because people may have after thoughts about this
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Other (comment ideas)
Only have it not deactivate in basement. That's just annoying. I could just slug them out if I wanted.
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No
No. If you're unhooking a survivor, you're not getting tunneled. The old "stun the killer with DS after they grab you from unhooking a survivor" thing was really annoying to deal with.
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No
It just returns it to an abusable mechanic again.
I believe you should be able to self heal until fully healed tho.
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No
no
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No
If you're healing, you're not being tunneled. If you are being tunneled, why are you healing knowing they're pursuing you? If you're healing and then they came back and chased you, that's not tunneling. That's them finding a person to chase again because you decided to stay right where they ended up finding you.
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No
Because I run a fast medkit and heal mid chase. Doesn't mean I'm not being tunneled if a steal a few seconds here and there in chase.
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No
Then that’s on you for taking that risk to progress the game. Healing undoes killer pressure. That progresses the game. So you are not being tunneled. They are just reclaiming pressure back over someone actively trying to undo their pressure. Having DS still up in that situation would be stupid.
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No
Why is it stupid.? Because I like to heal midchase when some silly killer is trying to mind game me, and they suck at it.
Game respects game. If you're gonna tunnel me, least you can do is be good at it and get me down quickly, so I don't get bored and have to try and heal, and can keep my DS.
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No
You’re literally asking for 60s of effective invincibility while you actively undo their pressure. That is stupid. You don’t get to have DS if you are progressing the game/undoing killer pressure.
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No
But I'm still being tunneled. You are ignoring that fact. Because I slowly heal myself while being tunneled I should lose a perk. If you can't down me and prevent me from healing while tunneling, do you deserve the pressure?
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No
That isn’t tunneling. Pressuring someone trying to undo your pressure is called normal gameplay. You don’t get to complain it’s tunneling when you’re actively trying to undo the other side’s work. Try being better and just not getting hit till you finish the heal. If you can’t avoid a hit while trying to heal mid-chase, why would you deserve the DS? LMAO.
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No
If they return to the hook and chase me, they are tunneling.
Because I choose to try and heal midchase doesn't erase the fact that thet returned to the hook and are attempting to put me right back on it
Perhaps we misunderstood each other. Do you think I mean killer finds me healing somewhere? Because that is not what I mean.
I mean my feet hit the ground and killer starts to chase me. In between pallet stuns, I try to heal. Why should I lose my DS if not successful?
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No
That’s not tunneling. That’s the killer happening to find a moron healing mid-chase. The second you try and heal yourself, you are progressing the game by undoing their pressure. Thus, it is not tunneling anymore. It was tunneling at first. The second you try and heal yourself, it stopped being tunneling. Get good and don’t get hit while trying to heal mid-chase if you’re going to make a dumb play like that. Why do you think you deserve DS if you’re so bad you get hit mid chase while trying to heal?
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No
You are not hearing me, and now you are insulting?
I'm saying killer returns as my feet hit the ground and I begin chase. As the silly killer tries to mindgame a safe pallet and the such, I spare a few seconds to heal.
How is this not being tunneled. So your point is if I don't heal, I'm being tunneled, but if I tap heal a few seconds as the killer plays ring around the rosie, hoping I jump the pallet, I'm not being tunneled?
Notice I continue the discussion without insults.
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No
It’s not tunneling because you are now trying to progress an objective by undoing the killer’s pressure by healing your injury. So it has stopped being tunneling the second you attempted to heal. Try not getting hit if you’re going to heal mid-chase. You’re literally asking for free invincibility while actively undoing their efforts. If you go down while trying to heal, that’s a skill issue. Get better.
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But, isn't it the same thing? After 5 years I like to add some spice to the game, and healing midchase is one of the best feelings in DBD.
I guess your point is, don't heal while being tunneled?
If so, it's no longer tunneling? Even tho I'm being tunneled? Because I'm removing the pressure from a tunneling killer that chooses to apply pressure to a recently unhooked survivor?
Am I correct in understanding?
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The moment you try and progress any objective, it ceases to be tunneling. Correct. Repairing progresses an objective. Healing injuries/downed survivors progresses an objective. Unhooking progresses an objective. Cleansing/blessing totems progresses an objective. Sabotaging progresses an objective. It either advances something for survivors, or undoes something for killers, hence, progresses the game. It would be unfair to still retain the DS protection which is effectively a full 60 seconds of invincibility against being hooked, while you are actively advancing something for survivors/undoing something for the killer. The reason it doesn't deactivate at the end of a heal is because if it didn't, it punishes the killer because if they down faster and the heal didn't finish, they are denied a hook. But if they wait for the heal, they have to do twice the chase all over again. So it forces them into a lose-lose where no matter what they do, their own skill is irrelevant.
You are free to heal mid-chase, and it can definitely be fun, but that situation is not tunneling, and if you go down, that is the risk you voluntarily choose to take.
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Well, I appreciate your point and the discussion.
I would counter that it is still tunneling, however, I see it is now my decision to risk the forfeiture of my perk for the thrill of successfully healing midchase.
But tunneling is tunneling. The killer had no idea I would do this when they began tunneling me. And I understood the parameters of the perk I ran.
Thanks for the discussion!
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No
I can concede that it could be considered as tunneling. But even if it was, it would be justified tunneling in that case, which DS does not exist to protect against as that would be unfair.
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No
Fair enough.
I always enjoy hearing other viewpoints!
Hope your day has been a good one!
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No
Same to you as well.
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