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Why should survivors "git gud" but not killers?
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less of, "they prepare if they know where they are going" and more "going there IS the preparations or 90% of it"
Just an honest question. If a survivor complains about something that is OP, they are told to "git gud", but if the reverse happens, "survivors OP". So it takes no skill to play survivor, but also they should "git gud" (skill?), but a killer has every right to complain and being a survivor is just OP? So it is not at all possible for some killers to just suck at the game?
Source: This forum and dbd subreddit.
wrong. the source is you. YOU are the one perceiving it like this. or can you show me a table or something showing everytime "git gud" was used and what kind of player it was?
this is just your perception of the situation, don't treat it as truth.
IMO, this game is very good at showing skill gaps for both sides. Plenty of killers can steamroll even SWFs(E.G. Otzdarva) who I would consider an extremely skilled killer,
No. this is just wrong to say and can't be confirmed either way.
OTZ sometimes steamrolls swfs, and sometimes he can't do anything. that is the premise. but it's flawed. we can't know what is or isn't a swf 99% of the time.
therefore we can't really make a proper judgement.
even if we could tell it is a swf, we can't know if they have comms, if they play together often, or if they even know what they are doing.
this is just a moot point.
wanna make a point about actual swfs? use tournaments. not people playing randoms online.
and plenty of survivors can run a good killers brains out.
same issue. but I do find it interesting you pointed out 1 good killer player but no good survivor player... is one premise harder to believe than the other?
However, the average for both sides are nowhere near the skill ceiling of skilled players.
that is how averages work, yes.
and quite literally all games...
I'm not here to say survivors are OP or that killers are OP. I think some killers/perks have their advantages and some survivor perks have their advantages, but I think removing skill from the killer POV is just ridiculous and completely disingenuous .
again, that is just your perception. and this one is particularly terrible. no one says killer takes no skill (ironically, no one besides survivor mains).
For the record, I think this game suffers massive balance issues from each end that can make either side frustrated. But from what I see on this forum and subreddit is that Killers are always right and immaculate in their thoughts,
then you haven't been reading the forums all that much.
but if a survivor has anything negative to say about their experience...it's "bait, lol".
and if you think this only happens to survivors, you haven't been reading the forums all that much
How about some of you killers just "git good".
how about showing actual examples of killers ignoring actual issues from the survivor side instead of a very silly ad hominum?
Maybe you just suck and are a hypocrite.
maybe you just suck, and can't see from the killer POV. did you even consider that?
It's not confirmation bias.
it is.
The forum and DBD subreddit are MASSIVELY killer leaning to an outrageous extent.
says you... again, just your perception. which is always biased.
The amount of "lol, bad bait" responses when a survivor has a complaint is ridiculous.
yet you showed none...
I'm not saying the reverse NEVER happens, that would be delusional.
no, what you're saying is that it happens substantially mofr for one side than the other. but you show nothing besides your opinion to support it.
But anyone with the ability to read can easily see these forums and subreddit are riddled with killer bias to an unbelievable degree.
but you see, only a true scotsman can read
Like I said, if a survivor has a complaint, it's "git gud" but in the same breath "survivor takes no skill".
I heard the same for killer plenty of times...
I mean which one is it? Why do killers not apply this logic to themselves? It's like they all believe that they are God tier and their skill is never a question.
it's like you think killer players are a single entity. that what one says applies to all of them...
but hey, there has NEVER been survivors who think they are gods and their skill is never a question... right?
Again, I'm not making a claim one way or another about the game being balanced against one side. That's an extremely nuanced debate with many, many many factors. It just seems like on these forums or on reddit, the killer's skill is never in question. It's just weird.
again, you haven1t been reading the forums all that much.
Everyone is entitled to WANT to have the experience they desire when playing a video game. I mean, that's why we all play video games, right? To enjoy ourselves and have fun. There's just a massive bias against survivors here and it's like they're not allowed to have an opinion.
why do you keep repeating that you don't read the forums a lot?
Like here's another example I constantly see on these forums if a survivor mentions camping/tunneling: "The killer can play how they want and they are not responsible for how much fun you have" but in the same breath talk about how DS/BT/UB make them miserable. So only killers are aloud to have any sort of complaints whatsoever?
What about saying "the killer can play how they want" means the survivors can't complain whatsoever?
at worst this would mean they can't complain about camping/tunneling but that isn't even what's happening.
what usually happens is survivors saying the game shouldn't allow killers to do such things, which is usually what brings the "they are not responsible for how much fun you have" argument. which is correct.
the survivor voiced his complaint, he got answers. same happens to killers.
The game is just so ridiculously killer sided that the mere mention of a complaint from a survivor is "bait" and "entitled".
what happened to "I'm not making a claim one way or another about the game being balanced against one side"?
These are just my observations after being on these forums for a while.
glad you recognize that it's just your perception of things. which will forever be a biased thing.
Again, I'm not mentioning that I personally think survivors or killers are OP.
but you did say the game is killer sided...
I just find it aweful that people get berated for expressing their frustration as a survivor as if it's one of the 7 deadly sins.
yes, that is bad. but not a survivor only thing.
It's baffling that out of 10's of thousands of players, it's impossible for you to think that people can have drastically different experiences.
It's baffling that out of thousands of users, it's impossible for you to think that people can have drastically different experiences in this forum.
What you just said is EXACTLY what my post is addressing. You have it in your mind that you're so unbelievably skilled that it couldn't possibly be anything you're doing, it HAS to be that the game is survivor sided. Never mind the statistics or other people's experiences. None of that matters...no no no no...Your word is law and streamers that get 100+ win streaks(4ks or 3+hatch) are just wrong and obviously pay survivors to throw the game so they can consistently get these wins. Couldn't possibly have ANYTHING to do with their skill, right?
what a big amount of nothing... at least make some sort of point.
you are just insulting someone's intelligence here. or trying to...
replace game experience with forum experience and it would suit you. stop thinking so highly of yourself, like you know all the answers and if people have a different conclusion they obviously didn't consider what you did. because you are so amazing.
grow up!
Surely your comment is being sarcastic. You can't be so dense to completely miss the meaning of my post. It's incredibly ironic how many people are just not reading my post or are just blocking everything out then going on to prove exactly what I said, and get 20+ upvotes for doing so lol.
Meanwhile anyone going against the status quo for killers get no upvotes. Un-freaking-believable how so many of you are missing this.
It's baffling that out of thousands of users, it's impossible for you to think that people can have drastically different experiences in this forum.
I don't disagree with any of this. And I think this is a conversation for another thread. My main reason for this post was just to point out how unbelievably killer biased and completely illogical and contradictory statements are constantly spewed on these forums. I have nearly 3k hours in this game and have played for years. I have plenty of complaints for both sides, but the mere mention of something from a survivor about a negative experience is met with extreme hostility, condescension and completely irrational beliefs that people couldn't possibly have different opinions/experiences. Hell, I can say with utter certainty that my experience drastically changes from night to night.
it's amazing how much of what you say can be countered by either "It's baffling that out of thousands of users, it's impossible for you to think that people can have drastically different experiences in this forum." or "It's baffling that out of 10's of thousands of players, it's impossible for you to think that people can have drastically different experiences."
you need a mirror.
In an asymmetric game, how is a near 50% win rate not ideal?
many reasons. specially when you consider what the game considers a win.
but counter question, can you even demonstrate that a 50% win rate is ideal on an asymmetric game?
See, why is it believed that killers should win/get 4k-3ks much more often than the survivor escapes.
and this is either a strawman or a missrepresentation of the most common killer argument.
either way, you're arguing against yourself there...
That's already a massive flag for bias about killers.
the strawman/misrepresentation? it's a red flag against arguing with you.
Also, the same can be said about context of killers. I can't tell you how many killers I've made DC just because I won't let them down me or get frustrated with being constantly juked.
seen it happen aswell.
doesn't help your case in any way, shape or form.
I've also experienced several "boosting" killers who are doing a daily with a killer they don't want to play and throw the game and everyone escapes without even being hooked. Do these situations also not skew the stats,
yes. it does. which is why the stats are bad and shouldn't be used to make any point whatsoever.
or again, anything that veers away from the killer status quo on these forums just don't matter? Funny how you gave an example that would inflate killer stats, but completely skip over the fact that the opposite happens.
talking about X is different from ignoring the existance of Y.
don't even try, there isn't a point to be made here. they showed one reason why the stats are flawed, you showed another.
Don't get me wrong buddy. I even said in my op that this game suffers from massive balance issues, but that's not what I was getting out. I think every single person is entitled to their opinion based on their own experiences. I'm not at all saying killers cannot have complaints, but here on these forums survivors cannot.
"I think maybe The Artist base speed should be 110% instead of 115%"
Response:
"Lol, bad bait 2/10" - 20 upvotes
"This is a joke, right" - 37 upvotes
etc...
ahem... "It's baffling that out of thousands of users, it's impossible for you to think that people can have drastically different experiences in this forum."
Doesn't matter if it's 4 survivors, it's only one game's statistics. Whether you get a snowball 4k because of a DC or due to overly altruistic plays, Or the killer DCs or boosts the lobby resulting in a 4 man escape, they affect the statistics the same because it's for one match. And I certainly don't mean to be rude, but "in your own experience" is another example of bias as if other people can't possibly have different experiences. You're fixing your own personal experience on the larger image to confirm your bias on what you think without only anecdotal evidence and nothing with actual substance. Again, sorry if that sounds rude, but I thought I should point it out since this is what my whole post is about.
2 in a row "It's baffling that out of thousands of users, it's impossible for you to think that people can have drastically different experiences in this forum."
The threads do not reflect what you're saying in the slightest.
says you.
I mean, I don't have anything else to say other than go look through the threads, and if you still disagree...well...um...you can lead a horse to water, right?
almost 3 in a row... "It's baffling that out of thousands of users, it's impossible for you to think that people can have drastically different experiences in this forum."
I'm sure it's completely impossible for either killers or survivors to claim they play one or the other or both in order to push their agenda by appearing to have a "nuanced" view by pretending to be the opposite side while saying something to benefit the other side.
I'm sure it's completely impossible for someone to claim they participate a lot in the forums in order to push their agenda by appearing to have a "nuanced" view by pretending they have the full picture.
again... get a mirror.
It only works for steam, but people could easily post their stats if they wanted to prove they play both sides. For example, here's mine:
https://dbd-stats.net/profile/76561198024224074
Clearly very survivor heavy(90% solo q) but also hundreds of hours as killer
ignoring the fact this could be literally anyone... what do you think that shows?
is it really that hard to imagine most people would play both roles of a game they own? even if they play one more than the other?
it's like someone owning mario party but only ever playing on 1 board. they are the exception, not the rule.
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The amount of entitlement survivors have trying to tell Killer players to "get gud". Like the Killers don't even have a perk to counter being outplayed.
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Survivors are told "git gud" more often than Killers because Survivors are the ones to post threads like "Pentimento is OP" or "Wraith is too fast and overpowered" or "No Way Out needs nerfed" . I'm not saying Killers don't post these aswell, just that Survivors post them more often
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I am about to turn this in as my 3 page paper assignment lmao
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Trapper is op why has he not been nerfed already😤
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Multiple data. In fact, since you are always defending survivors, let's see ur gameplay
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there must be better options than this. XD
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I have writers block so no. This is the only option lmao
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Hiding MMR means a player can't judge their skill relative to others. Killers think that if they are losing, it must be because they are at high MMR, and if they're already at high MMR and losing, it must be a balance issue. I think the community would be far better off if they could see that they were maybe 60th or 70th percentile and still had a ton to work on. Everyone thinks they've hit the skill cap the second they drop 3 or 4 games in a row
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This right here, is ######### art
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I get a little bit of everything. Most of the time, I get no message at all, when I win. Sometimes friend invites. Sometimes someone haunts my profile with toxic messages.
Our community is weird.
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Damn that hurt to read. Don't roast them too hard XD
Respect for the thoroughness and dedication
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Huh? what does me asking a legitimate question about actual statistics and not the random vague “game is survivor sided” comment thrown in posts like this one have to do with my gameplay? I play both sides equally if you must know.
Stop being so triggered.
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If you think the game genuinely isnt survivor sided, you are a survivor main.
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The community is very strange
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It is an undeniable fact that the comparison of 4 survivors bringing their strongest perks and items/addons against a killer (Except Nurse) bringing their strongest possible set up, survivors have still a higher and better chance of "winning" than the Killer does. Even a Mori cant outweight that, however you are right that most ppl to seem to overreact and make up things that arent necesseraly true.
Biggest take, CoH isnt as OP or busted as ppl make it out to be, sure its annoying but it isnt strong, I rather play against 2 CoH then 2 Medkits with charges, medkits are still way stronger than CoH.
There are more topics like that ofc. Sadly the majority of the Killer playerbase are just cry babys, myself included.
However you should also keep in mind that playing Killer (especially as Main role) is much more stressful and frustrating than survivor, by far.
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Whenever I see posts about killer being strong, it's about stuff that people have shown to have ways to work around it except for 2 things: getting everyone out against a camping bubba and and solo Q, the latter being somewhat debatable for me.
Whenever I see posts about survivors being strong, it's about stuff that there is literally no way to work around unless your playing nurse or blight. Of course there are posts where there are things that they can do but a good chunk of them are just "wait it out". BT? wait it out. DS? wait it out. Dead Hard? wait it out (even though you can't wait it out sometimes).
From what I've seen, whenever I see a survivor post, it's about the fun for them. Whenever I see a post about a killer, it's usually about the poor balance, and I'm sure you know that there is a LOT of balance issues.
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But then we would see mmr shoving 40k hour swf's against 200 hour killers because it prioritizes time over quality if they get dodged.
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It's called killer experience. Try playing killer for more then one match. Unless all you play is nurse then you will maybe not notice this.
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Because killers must to git gud if they want to win, survivors can win just dropping pallets and pressing Shift +W.
So if a low tier killer Smash you, yeah, git gud, stop pre dropping everything and learn to loop.
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I have 6.3k hours in this game. I play both sides. Just because some people have trouble playing killer doesn’t mean others experience the same.
For the record I don’t disagree that sometimes depending on the map AND circumstances (perks, add ons, map RNG) the match could go one way or the other. But to sit there and say “The game is survivor sided” I need more than that. That is not going to cut it.
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I also play both sides and maybe if swf wasn't a thing this game would be more balanced. If you have 6K hours I think I don't have to tell you that information is key in this game. SWF's have a huge (unfair) advantage. About RNG: SBMM made the game even more unbalanced. A game where RNG is such a big part of the game should not have MMR. SBMM made killer even less fun and less balanced. About perks: Survivors can have 4 (second chance) perks each, that's 16 (second chance) perks while a killer only has 4 perks in total. Also, the only real second chance perk killers have is NOED. Only 1 perk that can even be prevented from activating and people still complain about it. Whenever survivors complain about something the devs listen to them and change it really quick (my opinion). And yes, Boil Over got nerfed quick too but it's redicilous that it made it into the game the way it was in the first place. You don't have to agree with me but I know there's a lot of people that agree with me and think the same about this. Take for example the queue time, my killer queue is 8-10 seconds atm while my survivor queue is between 6-10 minutes (sometimes even longer). Some people say this proves nothing but there's not a lot of people that really want to play killer anymore and I understand why. I'm sorry if my English isn't great, it's not my main language.
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I suppose that is why killers win a majority of the time.
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Beautiful.
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It's funny that this thread is still going (also now thanks to me, the irony). Meanwhile the op of this controversy inducing post has already dropped it and not answered anyone after the first half of page 2 of the comments.
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