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Mother-Daughter Ring + Dried Cherry Blossom is unhealthy
Whether you want to think it or not, Spirit is still very much an S tier killer that has a lot going for her. I do understand that she isn’t the easiest to learn for some people and that’s fine, but it appears that people use the Mother-Daughter Ring and Dried Cherry Blossom combo and come to the conclusion that Spirit is dependent on these add ons which is not true in the slightest.
I say the combo is unhealthy because players that want to start learning Spirit hear that this combo is great for her when in reality, depending on the combo so much as a new Spirit will only hurt you in the long run. You’ll rely on it too much and it won’t let you actually improve with the killer. It’s the same problem Scalped Topknot had in that regard.
So with all that in mind, my number 1 advice to new Spirit players is to NEVER use Mother-Daughter Ring + Dried Cherry Blossom when you first start out with her. I promise you, you’ll see better much better long-term results if you ignore the combo all together.
One thing I want to point out is that a common argument I hear for why Dried Cherry Blossom should stay is that it helps players that have a hard time hearing. In that case, I think Father’s Glasses should return (still baffles me why they removed it) and Dried Cherry Blossom should be removed or reworked. FG was way more of a fair add on and imo was much more helpful for hard of hearing players than DCB. Also, move it down a few rarities, I don’t think it being iridescent was necessary.
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Inb4 Spirit Propaganda
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It’s like running pinky finger on clown. Sure it makes him better but teaches you bad habits and doesn’t help you learn the killer. Luckily that was nerfed (In the most lazy way possible).
It could be interesting in MD ring made spirit somewhat visible during phase and cut her post phase lunge. It would make her more like a mobility killer instead of a chase one
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Idk about decreasing her lunge but I like the idea of making her visible.
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Which is a reasonable sentiment. Hopefully they do bring it back although I don’t have much hope they do.
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Did they ever give a reason for removing it?
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Nope.
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"While we're nerfing spirit we really should take a look at that iri add-on of hers"
"We'll get on that ASAP. In fact we'll straight up delete it and replace it with something else"
"You do know which of the two I'm talking ab-"
"Well if that's everything I should to get back to working on pig's new lullaby. We need to organise a trip down to the farm to record some oinking."
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Finally! I've been telling people this for a bit now so I'm happy to hear the No.1 Spirit fan agrees with me.
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Thank you for helping spread the word about those add ons!
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A pig lullaby sounds amazing, instead of her singing, you just hear oinks of various intensity to figure out where she is.
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They're both fine. Spirit isn't as popular anymore and her killrate isn't great either. These add-ons are fine in the hands of the vast majority of players out there which is what the game is balanced around. Just because a spirit main can get great value out of these add-ons that doesn't mean everyone can.
I hope the devs focus on more pressing issues with the game rather than giving us more pointless nerfs.
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I mean, the reason for Fathers Glasses is pretty obvious - you cannot do anything against them as Survivor. You can run Iron Will against Spirit (even tho, Perks are no counters), you can avoid scratchmarks by walking and grass by being careful. But not blood once you are injured.
The better question would be, why did they add an Add On which makes the game play on its own (Dried Cherry Blossom) when they removed Fathers Glasses?
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No nerf required. Eventually people will stop crying about MDR.
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Yeah I’d just like to see it have some more downside especially when the current one is easily removed.
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People didn’t stop crying about iri head for 4 years so I doubt it
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"Not learning the killer right" is completely subjective, yet it's been used time and again to say that some perk or add-on combo is "unhealthy" or "needs nerfing" on a certain killer. If an add-on makes the killer stronger, even if the player is reliant on those add-ons to do well with the killer, I say more power to them. Bad players will not get carried by this add-on combo. They probably won't even know it exists. The few bad ones who do will fumble around with Spirit as usual and not see much success. Add-ons like this, like Pinky Finger, like Engineer's Fang, like Alchemist's Ring, only boost the power of the killer when they're in the hands of a skilled player.
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But it would be a nerf which she doesn't need. She used to have a 24m terror radius as well, but they took that away.
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I'm kidding, I wish she had a 24m terror radius so I could pack whisperers on her.
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Just a small nerf will do. It will still be very strong.
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How is it subjective when it’s true that the combo makes new players rely on it? I play Spirit a ton and I know.
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The thing is, MDR and Dried Cherry Blossom basically play the game for you.
Pig had a 28m Terror Radius.
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They'll rely on it, but that doesn't mean they'll do well with it. You can't just pick up a killer or an add-on and win. You have to learn and be skilled yourself.
There's nothing in the game that plays it for you.
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It's a poor argument because it could be said for a lot of perks and add-ons, especially on the survivor's side.
It also means you're trying to define correct and incorrect ways of playing when it should always be up to the individual player
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If you say so I 100% believe it when it's about spirit. I just bought her and like always I first try to learn a killer without any addons
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Are you actually going to go there? This discussion is about Spirit specifically but you had to turn it into whataboutism.
Also yes I am trying to “define correct and incorrect ways of playing.” Is the way I’m doing it a problem? What I was doing was giving advice to players that want to learn her as the combo teaches players bad habits that will hurt them in the long run, I’m not trying to shame anyone that does want to use it. I know how much new players can rely on the combination making them unable to improve with her and am trying to address that.
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It's so ######### hard and I kind think it's fine.
it was like, 4m? which you will pass within 0.5sec.
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Calling something "whataboutism" doesn't change whether or not the point has merit.
Who are you, or who is any player for that matter, to decide what is correct play and what's incorrect play?
What data have you collected to show this particular add-on combo prevents players from being able to play Spirit in your approved way?
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I think you under estimate the time that people put into this game. Almost everyone that puts good amount of hours in DBD knows a vast majority of common powerful add-on combinations for killer.
Part of reason why killer is difficult at high MMR is because high MMR puts you against survivor that are as good as you and have similar knowledge levels about the game. With that being said. Spirit sucks without MDR & CDB. If playing survivor, I expect every spirit to have MDR+CDB. Spirit is too weak now without said add-ons.
Spirit without said add-ons is mostly free win if your survivor team is remotely good.
They removed add-on because it reduced mind-game potential and countered Iron will similar to Stridor through blood tracking. Spirit's did not use it because giving up an add-on slot was more valuable than giving up a perk slot.
With posts like X add-on is unhealthy, DBD is designing killers around survivor bully simulator. Good way to kill the game.
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It is whataboutism because you’re bringing something up that has nothing to do with Spirit and your bias killer main guts can’t help but try to justify why survivors have everything good.
Did you not read my reply? What I’m doing is giving advice to new Spirit players on what no to do if they want to improve. I’ve played Spirit a ton, I have a lot of knowledge on her, so I’m just using my experience and applying it to helping new Spirit players that want to grow and improve with her. If people want to use it, I can’t stop that. Giving advice != shaming people for doing something.
What kind of data exactly? Meaningless kill rates? You don’t need data to know that the add on combo is a bandaid fix and teaches new players bad habits. She’s already S tier, she doesn’t need brain dead add ons to make it easier for her.
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It’s not about “picking it up instantly and winning” it’s about creating bad habits for new players that will rely on the combination so much to where they can’t play without it. It needs to be removed.
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I really just think DCB is the one that should be reworked only as it’s very unoriginal and give current DCB’s downside to MDR. That’s all imo
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I would like to see a tiny nerf to MDR but not much. Just some kind of downside that isn’t just scratch mark removal.
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I'm not a killer main so you're wrong there. And I don't care if my point is whataboutism or not. That doesn't change it. Simply saying something will teach bad habits isn't much of an argument. It's even less of an argument when you refuse to apply that same logic elsewhere. It shows you're only concerned about getting the changes you want so you've adopted that stance in hopes it'll convince the devs to make the arbitrary nerfs you desire. If you were truly concerned about players developing what you consider bad habits you'd address it for all aspects of the game.
Giving advice is fine but by your own words you're trying to dictate what is and isn't a correct way to play Spirit by claiming add-on combinations you dislike are incorrect ways of playing. You are, in a way, shaming people for using those combos too by constantly calling them brain dead and such.
Your claim is new players develop bad habits that prevent them being able to play Spirit "correctly" later. You must have something to back that up, right? Some sort of concrete evidence showing players that start out using MDR/DCB never reach the same skill level as players that didn't start off using it. My guess is you have no idea if that's the case or not but you're stating it as fact anyway, again, in hopes the devs will give you the nerfs you want.
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Can I just ask what the hell makes you think that I only want the stuff I want nerfed? If you’re talking about the game as a whole, I have to tell you how incredibly wrong you are because this thread was about the two add ons I mentioned and nothing else. I haven’t mentioned about anything else in the game, just the add ons and Spirit.
I agree there are things on the survivor side and killer side that need changing and you don’t have a right to assume that wanting a change for two add ons on a killer I’ve played more than BHVR has said the word “soon” makes me entitled. Especially since the reason I want the add ons changed is valid in wanting to help people improve with a killer they enjoy.
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When they were reworking her they brought up an idea to have dust particles kick up while she is phasing. I think that would be a good downside to the MD ring (but even if they do that the speed needs to be decreased because the map mobility is crazy)
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This forum and the whataboutism every thread. Literally every thread.
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I would be down. Being 216%, that downside should balance it out.
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So why not make guides for players showing how to play without them instead of petioning BHVR to remove them from everyone, including the people that enjoy using them?
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I’ve been trying to help people improve with her for months now, it’s just you probably never go on my threads or other threads where people ask for advice to know that I was doing that.
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I can't play without any slowdown or BBQ or strong addons for any killers because all of them are underwhelming without those, but never thought it as bad habit because this game is somewhat balancing against what survivors can do with those kind of things, I think removing strong combos only makes game more unbalanced.
The fact they aren't addressing this is also telling it's mostly fine in statistics too, unless they be like twins and "this is monster at high MMR and in hands of very good players".
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Spirit propaganda
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Is there a reason you keep commenting that?
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Is there a reason you keep posting spirit propaganda
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Because I love her. Now answer my question.
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Propaganda: information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.
A committee of cardinals of the Roman Catholic Church responsible for foreign missions, founded in 1622 by Pope Gregory XV
of which this post or any of Gann's posts are neither.
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