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How is it fair that survivors get punished for camping and tunneling?
I’m so over these sweaty killers. I used to get excited to play this game. But more and more I find myself not wanting to play.
You know, I do care about all the nerfing of survivor perks to benefit crybaby killers, but the camping and tunneling is a bigger issue. There’s NO way I should be camped on first hook, then tunneled, Just to get hooked AGAIN!! I’ll be in a game for all of 5 minutes and LOSE a pip. It’s just a load of crap! I shouldn’t have to spend HOURS in this game just to gain ONE pip! Admittedly, I play on PS4 and I’m not the greatest at running. I try to run perks that benefit my play style but nothing I run, not even DS and BT gets me out of it. If killers aren’t going to be penalized for camping and tunneling, while I have to lose every pip I’ve earned in this game, then I’m going to have to be done playing this game all together. Killers are constantly crying about survivors but I can’t even get through a match without being camped and tunneled.
DBD needs to stop making survivors LOSE pips in this game!!! If I didn’t constantly gain and lose the same pips over and over, I’d be able to deal with everything else that sucks about this game.
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"I’m not the greatest at running"
There is your reason why you get tunneled. You probably are an easy down.
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"crybaby killers"
oh the irony.
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🙄🤦🏾♀️ Easy down or not, I shouldn’t be losing a pip for it.
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I don’t sit here complaining about everything killers do. All I’m saying is that I shouldn’t be losing a pip for being camped and tunneled. 🙄
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I could care less how you decide to play. You want to go after weak survivor ls for the easy down, then do that. But I shouldn’t be losing a pip, especially after getting camped and tunneled.
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I hear you. I do try to get better at my game play. But instead of losing pips for being camped/tunneled or for poor game play, I should just safety/stay where I’m at.
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So you shouldn't lose a pip, because you lost? You died, you should lose a pip for failing
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skill issue
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Why should I lose a pip for being camped and tunneled? Camping and tunneling doesn’t make you SKILLFUL at this game. 🙄 I’m a red 2 so obviously I’m capable of running the killer but I lost so many pips yesterday due solely to camping and tunneling. Actually sometimes when I’ve even come out of the match with 20,000 points I’ve still depiped! The depip long system is unfair and needs to be reworked. I don’t care if you all think I need to get better. So do killers who cry about the BCH perk! 🙄
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Bet you’re the same person who cries about DS, DH, BCH and BT
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Nothing other than playing Blight, Hillbilly and Nurse makes you skillful at this game. DbD is a really easy game to play on both sides.
Yes, the Pip System sucks, but you shouldn't feel rewarded for dying.
Grades have nothing to do with matchmaking or skill
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Exactly. If I haven’t even had the chance to play the match why am I losing a pip? It’s one think of I AFK. It IS a harmless change. Regardless of who thinks I need to get better. If I don’t do enough in the match or don’t play well then that’s one thing. I still don’t think depiping should be a thing.
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You can't lose ranks anymore so the pips on each level don't really hold that much sway any more
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Wait so you are bad at looping but still be able to pip? That is kinda weird and not how it works in other games with that kind of system.... Usually, you have to learn and get better to get those kinds of challenges/objectives done.
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where Did I say I should pip without being able to loop?!? 🙄🤦🏾♀️
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they do when I’m trying to get to a red one but spent all yesterday on hook and tunneled. Back to back matches of being camped and tunnel from jump. It’s penalizing me for no reason. I had 4 pips and not only lost all of them but continued to gain and lose. How is that even worth my time? I shouldn’t have to lose the pip. I don’t care if anyone thinks that I need to get better. Killers can camp and tunnel all day. That’s your choice. But then why do I have to lose a pip as a result of them playing that way?! I can only do SO much as an injured player with no guarantee that other survivors are running borrowed time. I hate running DS, and it only helps every now and then. I’d have no issues with anything in this game if I didn’t lose pips because of how killers decide to play.
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I don’t think it’s a hard game.
i still shouldn’t have to lose my pips.
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honeslty, the problem here is you think ranks are worth your time, sure they are a solid way to net some extra bloodpoints but with all the time you spend trying to rank up you could grind out ~10 matches of killer and get just as much bloodpoints as you will get by reaching rank 1 on survivor, the ranks should mostly be seen as a sidegrade bonus not as your main focus for play because that only leads to frustration.
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Why though? You died, you lost a pip. Seems fair to me
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That’s a good point. But I honestly hate playing killer. I only play killer for the bloodpoints and to get rid of my rituals. I want to get to red 1 not because I think it says, hey this person is great at the game, but because I want to level up my players with the bloodpoints. So yeah, depipping constantly is really frustrating. I am someone who tries to get better at the game, I can run but not for that long. But my biggest problem is I’m hardly getting the chance to play even with the camping and tunneling and then to lose a pip as a result is just lame honestly.
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Yeah that's why I stopped playing survivor besides for challenges. It was never a good time and I've been pouring all my BP into my killers so my perks are limited 😂 getting camped and tunneled constantly is just boring and frustrating. Skill or lack of skill aside, idk anyone who has fun getting camped multiple games in a row.
There's a twitch streamer that brought up group BP like if your whole team did well but you happened to have gotten camped/tunneled out then it wouldn't be such a harsh penalty you'd get points based on your team not just you. Thought that was interesting.
Hope the games get better for you!
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Honestly the best you can do if you feel you are getting tunneled / camped too often is put on the perks that counter it / slow it down, and put your nose to the grindstone and work on chase skills using this opportunity.
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Ok, so what build do you suggest? DS, BT, DH. Basically all perks that killers cry to be nerfed…. 😒
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It seems fair to you that I got a chance to play for all of 5 minutes? Yeah oookay. 🙄 move on
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How bad must your team have been to not be able to keep you alive for more than 5 minutes
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You said you weren't the best at running which usually leads to getting tunneled more. That means if you get better even if you were to get tunneled you would last long enough to get boldness points to at least get a saftey pip. Also I don't really see the appeal to getting pips anymore since there's no grades to lose so there's not this inherit feeling of "I don't wanna de-grade"
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I actually like that idea.
If I enjoyed playing killer I would. My problem is I’m not sweaty as a killer or survivor. I just try to do my best at the game and get it done but I can’t even do that! 😭😂🙄🤦🏾♀️ Thank you for your positive comment and feedback!
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I’m on ps4 too, you said you weren’t the best at looping and that’s the problem. If you have no mither, the killer is just gonna go for you because it’s easier. Killers go for the weakest link or the one that’s most vulnerable. Just keep playing and you’ll get the hang of it.
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Since its you getting tunneled I suggest DS, DH, at a bare minimum, that way you get more chase since you get 1 extra mistake per chase. And while I don't like DH it is a decent learning tool for having a bit of extra time to learn.
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Yeah looping on PS4 is a learning experience. Mind you I’m technically a new gamer. I’ve only been playing this game for a year and I had no experience otherwise. I DO need to get better at looping I’ll admit that, but when survivor perks are constantly being reworked because they’re “too strong” I just don’t think I should have to lose a pip that I gained!
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I’m not though? I think other than some map designs/other minor stuff, DBD is almost entirely balanced on both sides.
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Haha yeah I’m not the greatest at looping. It’s not that I can’t. I’ve ran many killers while gens got done and players escaped. But even in matches where I’ve ran good, I’m then tunneled! And I don’t actually like running DH or DS but clearly I need to. Meanwhile killers cry and think you’re sweaty when you do run these perks and yet I have no choice! I honestly just want to play how I want to play. I’m not saying that I should advance in the game. Far too many people are acting like I’m asking to be rewarded for dying. I’m really just asking not to be penalized for being camped and tunneled.
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I can almost agree with that. But I still don’t think I should have to lose pips I gained. 🤷🏾♀️ It’s ok if I don’t advance! I’m not saying give me pips! I just shouldn’t have to lose them. Just my opinion.
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Pips basically don’t matter in the first place.
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They matter in terms of bps. Why should I have to spend soooo much time in this game just to lose pips? Gaining bps is already a daunting task, even with the codes. I like getting the million BPs they now give out for getting to red 1. So sue me if I hate that I feel like my time gets wasted because they constantly want to take pips away. I wouldn’t have any real complaints about DBD if I didn’t lose pips. I’d just play and have fun with it as I level my players up.
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Why not? Did you survive? Did you fix any gens or contribute to your team's success? Or did you hang out like a lump waiting to see if they would save you? Why should you be rewarded?
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That's how elimination games work, it's just as fair as someone playing Fortnite and being shot as soon as they land. That's literally the point of the game.
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You’re missing all my points in this forum and thus I will end our convo here. Have a good day!
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Killers get punished for tunneling by finishing gens.
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That’s if your team is smart enough to even do that! But the survivor getting tunneled shouldn’t have to lose a pip.
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Maybe not, but there will be matches where someone else is getting tunneled and you gain a pip because the killer's focus was elsewhere. Law of averages and all that.
If you're caught up on Pips, just be grateful you can't still de-rank as well. Getting to iri and staying there is as easy as it has ever been.
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You win some and you lose some
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I don’t feel I need to be just grateful. I shouldn’t have to lose a pip after gaining it.
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Except how come that’s not the same mindset when it comes to perks then? Survivor perks are constantly being reworked. Why isn’t it you win some you lose some? Why isn’t it, just get better? No, they’re reworked after people complain. I will win. I will lose. Still shouldn’t have to lose a pip.
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You're playing an asymmetrical game in a role where your teammates will dictate the outcome to a large degree. If you're looking for total fairness, you'll not find it here.
All the game knows is that you were repeatedly caught and died, and did few objectives. Not to sound harsh, and sometimes there's not anything anyone can do about a focused tunneling, but the best advice is just to be a harder target. That takes time.
They could just set it up so no one de-pips ever, but then Grade goes from meaning next to nothing to nothing.
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So far the only point I've seen you raise is you don't like depipping because it makes you sad. You have yet to come up with any actual reason why you should be rewarded with a pip when you contributed nothing to the match but an early death.
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This is a solid point! I totally respect the constructive criticism. I’m not looking for a handout. It just sucks that yesterday I was almost a 1 and I got camped and tunneled and lost all my pips. It sucks to put time and effort into something to lose it, not necessarily because of my own doing. But honestly if the grading system means next to nothing to most people, why does it matter so much that I don’t want to lose it? If it’s not really THAT important then why take them away in the first place? I much rather have to work harder knowing that I’m not being penalized for the way other people play. 🤷🏾♀️ If we’re supposed to understand that this game isn’t always fair, why are they constantly reworking perks?! Why not just say hey, it’s not fair that’s the name of the game?
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You haven’t moved on yet? You have brought nothing worth conversing with you over. Move on 😂 the fact that you’re saying I’m asking FOR pips shows your lack of understanding so therefore, have a nice day.
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So you would be happy with a net 0, no gain, no loss? I could agree there.
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Well that's pretty much impossible when it's a pvp game where the killer has a large control over hooks.
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