I just had a leatherface game where swf did 5 gens in less than 3 minutes.
Deranked, still got a kill, but I legit just camped a dude on hook that I slugged in a 2 pallet broken chase into a T wall. My complaint is that there really is no counterplay to this.
How can I achieve my objective making no mistakes anywhere near the time survivors achieve theirs with no mistakes?
I'm still gonna keep playing killer and improve, but it's weird when I get matched up against dcing potatoes that can barely do a gen then with swf squads that end the game in less than 5 minutes it makes the game wildly inconsistent and unfun at both ends neither feeling appropriately challenging.
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Maybe when gens start popping one after the other it’s time to stop chasing the same survivor around loops and chase the others off the gens?7
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@BeanieEnthusiast said:
Maybe when gens start popping one after the other it’s time to stop chasing the same survivor around loops and chase the others off the gens?1 gen went down when I got the first hit, 2nd gen went down when I broke a pallet, 3rd gen when down when I got the second hit, 4 and 5 gen went down within 30 seconds after hooking the total chase time was less than 2 mins.
Edit: it wasn't a bad loop, just around pallets like every survivor does didn't even go into bloodlust 1.
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you need to do my Trapper with traps + addons built:
distressing + unnerving presence + ruin + franklins demise + mori
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As I said you should of gone off the chase and chased the others off the gens.0
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But zurvivorz ezkape rait bilou 40%!111!!!!11!!!1!!!!111!!!!!1!1
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I just had a trial as a solo survivor with 4 kills and 0 gens. I was found first and my mates did the worst rescue ever. Disappointment, of course, but I'm glad for the killer fun: this time other people won, the next trial you'll find a better adventure.
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SWF breaks the game, we all know it. Its just one of those things killers have to deal with because there's 4 survivors to every killer in this game, and no one gives a crap.
Sadly, as a killer all you can do is try to watch for common naming, or groups that spawn in at the same time and Lobby dodge them, or deal with unbalanced gameplay in the hopes that they slip up and you get a kill or two.
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@Tiersis said:
SWF breaks the game, we all know it. Its just one of those things killers have to deal with because there's 4 survivors to every killer in this game, and no one gives a crap.Sadly, as a killer all you can do is try to watch for common naming, or groups that spawn in at the same time and Lobby dodge them, or deal with unbalanced gameplay in the hopes that they slip up and you get a kill or two.
Or adapt and get better and use their teamwork against them like everyone else does that doesn't dodge. Take it a a challenge and learn from your mistakes, when to stop chasing, where to go for someone else, who's trying to get your attention etc. SEF groups are like facing 4 nurses and the only way to get better is to play against them.
Also ignore all the lobby dodgers since they'll see 1 person with legacy and dodge, 1 flashlight dodge, 1 tool box, dodge etc.
I've gotten destroyed and done more destroying as both for and against 4 solo q survivors because 4 competent solo q survivors are more common.
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@akbays35 said:
Deranked, still got a kill, but I legit just camped a dude on hook that I slugged in a 2 pallet broken chase into a T wall. My complaint is that there really is no counterplay to this.How can I achieve my objective making no mistakes anywhere near the time survivors achieve theirs with no mistakes?
I'm still gonna keep playing killer and improve, but it's weird when I get matched up against dcing potatoes that can barely do a gen then with swf squads that end the game in less than 5 minutes it makes the game wildly inconsistent and unfun at both ends neither feeling appropriately challenging.
There is nothing you can do about this sadly. The depip squad showed the true unbalance of the game, the devs reacted and said they already have been aware of this and that it would be nothing new to them.
Sadly, up to now, they havent changed anything about gens.Personally, I started deranking and have fun games in lower ranks.
If you are that kindof competitive player that really wants to win, even against good SWF, then you need to play nurse, there is no way around that sadly
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@powerbats said:
Or adapt and get better@ArecBalrin said:
Killers did adapt; survivors simply demanded nerfs every time we did. Every time, they got exactly what they asked for.Survivors started abusing pallets to grief and farm rather than escape chases, killers complained, got told to 'just adapt' and we did. The devs then buffed pallets to make them foolproof so our adaptation to them no longer worked, because survivors complained about killers being able to adapt to this.
Survivors broke all the hooks, making it impossible for a killer to win if the basement was in a corner of the map. Survivors said 'just adapt', so we did. The devs then gave survivors buffs and killers nerfs to stop slugging at the end of the match where survivors die on the floor because of a situation they created. Eventually we got the regenerating hooks, almost a year after they were needed.
Survivors swarmed hooks for rescues, whilst accusing killers of 'camping' when we never had a chance to even leave the damn thing and as no survivors were doing gens, had no reason to. 'Just adapt' they said again, so we combined the perks Unrelenting and Save The Best For Last to speed-up melee cooldown and prevent hook-swarms. The survivors screamed so much about this, how dare we prevent them from getting away with constant in-game trolling, farming and abusiveness, the devs over-nerfed both perks beyond what survivors even asked for. No explanation was ever given for why the devs made the changes they did here.
Even survivors thought what they did was too much, but shrugged their shoulders and said 'good killer will just adapt' and we did: seeing as survivors were refusing to do gens anyway and always swarming the hook, we blocked the space for unhooking with 'face-camping'. They went ballistic; how dare killers keep adapting after we dismiss their complaints every time by telling them to J U S T A D A P T !
The devs buffed them: Trapper had the ability to put traps under hooks taken away(and this was disingenously listed as a bug-fix) and survivors are now able to unhook from multiple angles.
When is it survivors turn to 'just adapt'? Because it seems to me that whenever they encounter the slightest resistance in-game, their meta is to demand changes from the devs and almost the absolute majority of the time, they get what they ask for.
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@Tiersis said:
SWF breaks the game, we all know it. Its just one of those things killers have to deal with because there's 4 survivors to every killer in this game, and no one gives a crap.Sadly, as a killer all you can do is try to watch for common naming, or groups that spawn in at the same time and Lobby dodge them, or deal with unbalanced gameplay in the hopes that they slip up and you get a kill or two.
well i don't like dodging lobbys I'm ok with most swfs and good players I just don't like seeing how imbalanced this game really is towards survivor that they can just end the game in a matter of minutes especially if you have to wait in lobby a substantial time of 10 minutes give or take. You pretty much have to play nurse or billy because of the map pressure and maybe spirit and clown to some degree, but it really deters playing other killers. This is one of the reasons I hate Family Residence map, it's just too damn big and the gens are always placed far apart, there's literally no way to find a gen cluster and defend it effectively and there's too many places for survivors to hide.
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@Master said:
@akbays35 said:
Deranked, still got a kill, but I legit just camped a dude on hook that I slugged in a 2 pallet broken chase into a T wall. My complaint is that there really is no counterplay to this.How can I achieve my objective making no mistakes anywhere near the time survivors achieve theirs with no mistakes?
I'm still gonna keep playing killer and improve, but it's weird when I get matched up against dcing potatoes that can barely do a gen then with swf squads that end the game in less than 5 minutes it makes the game wildly inconsistent and unfun at both ends neither feeling appropriately challenging.
There is nothing you can do about this sadly. The depip squad showed the true unbalance of the game, the devs reacted and said they already have been aware of this and that it would be nothing new to them.
Sadly, up to now, they havent changed anything about gens.Personally, I started deranking and have fun games in lower ranks.
If you are that kindof competitive player that really wants to win, even against good SWF, then you need to play nurse, there is no way around that sadly
I'm not competitive at all actually I want to play as fair as possible and just want the game to last long enough to justify the long lobby time and for me to get some bp, possibly getting all my killer achievements, and maybe a kill or two. My favorite killers are Myers, Freddy, and Clown.
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@Master said:
@akbays35 said:
Deranked, still got a kill, but I legit just camped a dude on hook that I slugged in a 2 pallet broken chase into a T wall. My complaint is that there really is no counterplay to this.How can I achieve my objective making no mistakes anywhere near the time survivors achieve theirs with no mistakes?
I'm still gonna keep playing killer and improve, but it's weird when I get matched up against dcing potatoes that can barely do a gen then with swf squads that end the game in less than 5 minutes it makes the game wildly inconsistent and unfun at both ends neither feeling appropriately challenging.
There is nothing you can do about this sadly. The depip squad showed the true unbalance of the game, the devs reacted and said they already have been aware of this and that it would be nothing new to them.
Sadly, up to now, they havent changed anything about gens.Personally, I started deranking and have fun games in lower ranks.
If you are that kindof competitive player that really wants to win, even against good SWF, then you need to play nurse, there is no way around that sadly
There is something you can do about it.
NOBODY plays like the "de-pip squad".
Speak for yourself.
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@akbays35 you probably did something wrong. Did you loop tight? Did you respect pallets? Did you just swing through them? Did you zone properly? etc etc
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I want to see all these people saying to play the SWFs like this anyhow actually make some counter plays to a sub 5 minute, gens done in 3 minutes match, and not use Billy, or Nurse.
Random anyone else but the people that can cover large chunks of the map in seconds.
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@only1biggs said:
@akbays35 you probably did something wrong. Did you loop tight? Did you respect pallets? Did you just swing through them? Did you zone properly? etc etcthe chase only lasted less than 2 minutes and there wasn't a strong loop I was using Leatherface and his innate addons to practice for doing his achievement, he circled a pallet twice I got a hit through a pallet swing, he ran to another pallet 1 gen got done, he threw the pallet down after one circle, ran to a T wall 2nd gen got done then ran to a 3rd pallet and slugged him before he made it, a 3rd got done when I hooked him, since I hooked him on a dead corner of the map where a gen got done I circled the area and the last 2 got done before the survivor was even a 4th into the hooked state. I never went into bloodlust 1 so each chase action took less than 12 seconds. The survivor being hooked and me camping him into the 2nd state took longer than the total gen time. I figured the game was over so just sat there since the hook was right next to the exit gate and figured the swf would go for some altruism. I got surrounded quickly with the survivors poking around in a perimeter, one working on the exit, one flanking my right and left, was just standing there back and forth and revving my saw, got bored with the standoff and just hit the hook with my saw, the anger duration of the animation downed another survivor when they unhooked the first one, the downed survivor crawled to a pallet, one survivor kept trying to flashlight blind, revved my saw to see if the survivors would waste the pallet, got pallet stunned and flashlight blinded when they picked up the downed survivor, they opened the exit gates and ran, I got in front of 2 of them with the chainsaw revved, hit one as he exited, one survivor got hit from behind me at the slamming duration and was able to hook him at the end. Two were using green toolboxes with faster gen repair add ons and one had leader, one had a green flashlight with odd bulb and battery, the guy I went after in the beginning didn't have any items and ironically got the most amount of points at the end of the match and everyone evened out at 17-18k.
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@akbays35 said:
@only1biggs said:
@akbays35 you probably did something wrong. Did you loop tight? Did you respect pallets? Did you just swing through them? Did you zone properly? etc etcthe chase only lasted less than 2 minutes and there wasn't a strong loop I was using Leatherface and his innate addons to practice for doing his achievement, he circled a pallet twice I got a hit through a pallet swing, he ran to another pallet 1 gen got done, he threw the pallet down after one circle, ran to a T wall 2nd gen got done then ran to a 3rd pallet and slugged him before he made it, a 3rd got done when I hooked him, since I hooked him on a dead corner of the map where a gen got done I circled the area and the last 2 got done before the survivor was even a 4th into the hooked state. I never went into bloodlust 1 so each chase action took less than 12 seconds. The survivor being hooked and me camping him into the 2nd state took longer than the total gen time. I figured the game was over so just sat there since the hook was right next to the exit gate and figured the swf would go for some altruism. I got surrounded quickly with the survivors poking around in a perimeter, one working on the exit, one flanking my right and left, was just standing there back and forth and revving my saw, got bored with the standoff and just hit the hook with my saw, the anger duration of the animation downed another survivor when they unhooked the first one, the downed survivor crawled to a pallet, one survivor kept trying to flashlight blind, revved my saw to see if the survivors would waste the pallet, got pallet stunned and flashlight blinded when they picked up the downed survivor, they opened the exit gates and ran, I got in front of 2 of them with the chainsaw revved, hit one as he exited, one survivor got hit from behind me at the slamming duration and was able to hook him at the end. Two were using green toolboxes with faster gen repair add ons and one had leader, one had a green flashlight with odd bulb and battery, the guy I went after in the beginning didn't have any items and ironically got the most amount of points at the end of the match and everyone evened out at 17-18k.
You just told me a whole bunch of muddled stuff. If a chase lasts near two minutes, you are doing something wrong, so, I'll ask again... Did you loop tight? Did you respect pallets? Did you just swing through them? Did you zone properly? If you don't know or care what I'm talking about, that's okay, and you have said that you are casual, but then why come to the forum like this is a problem and a regular occurrence?
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@Rebel_Raven said:
I want to see all these people saying to play the SWFs like this anyhow actually make some counter plays to a sub 5 minute, gens done in 3 minutes match, and not use Billy, or Nurse.
Random anyone else but the people that can cover large chunks of the map in seconds.
Very few of my games lasted less than 5 minutes and most were 10-25 minute affairs the longer games were against really good teams. In most of my games gens were never done in under 3 minutes and if that's happening to you constantly then you're playing wrong.
I don't ever use Nurse or Billy because I'm just not good with them and they don't fit my style. Spirit I can cover large chunks of the map in seconds and do it sneakier than those 2. The games where the gens were all done in under 3 minutes were either I just simply got outplayed or I made plenty of mistakes.
The other games that were like that were when I was trying to do my daily or an adept on say Nurse, Billy, Hag, Clown, Myers, Huntress, etc. Many of those I'd only recently gotten the DLC for
Quite often games that last under 5 minutes for me are games where I absolutely destroy people and they're lucky to get even 1 gen done let alone 2. In games where they get all gens or most gens powered is because I'm either just playing badly or I'm farming.
When someone crashes during loading screen i simply farm and let everyone go, if someone dc's right at start at 5 gens I do the same. Oh sure I can be a tryhard and 3k the remainder or deal with a bunch more dc's and get nothing or i can simply farm and get lots more bp and evey has a nice match.
But in the end if you'e losing games that quick all the time you need to play better and change your ways because you're not losing every time to depip squad level swf groups.
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@powerbats said:
@Rebel_Raven said:
I want to see all these people saying to play the SWFs like this anyhow actually make some counter plays to a sub 5 minute, gens done in 3 minutes match, and not use Billy, or Nurse.
Random anyone else but the people that can cover large chunks of the map in seconds.Very few of my games lasted less than 5 minutes and most were 10-25 minute affairs the longer games were against really good teams. In most of my games gens were never done in under 3 minutes and if that's happening to you constantly then you're playing wrong.
I don't ever use Nurse or Billy because I'm just not good with them and they don't fit my style. Spirit I can cover large chunks of the map in seconds and do it sneakier than those 2. The games where the gens were all done in under 3 minutes were either I just simply got outplayed or I made plenty of mistakes.
The other games that were like that were when I was trying to do my daily or an adept on say Nurse, Billy, Hag, Clown, Myers, Huntress, etc. Many of those I'd only recently gotten the DLC for
Quite often games that last under 5 minutes for me are games where I absolutely destroy people and they're lucky to get even 1 gen done let alone 2. In games where they get all gens or most gens powered is because I'm either just playing badly or I'm farming.
When someone crashes during loading screen i simply farm and let everyone go, if someone dc's right at start at 5 gens I do the same. Oh sure I can be a tryhard and 3k the remainder or deal with a bunch more dc's and get nothing or i can simply farm and get lots more bp and evey has a nice match.
But in the end if you'e losing games that quick all the time you need to play better and change your ways because you're not losing every time to depip squad level swf groups.
I'm not complaining too much about it half the time I'm farming with doc and myers for the new killer other time just trying to get the rest of killer achievements, this only happens like twice out of 30 games when I get a highly competent swf team. It's just frustrating seeing how quickly the survivors can get the game done objectively. It's just as a killer you can't truly kill the survivors as intended in less than 5 mins unless you're playing slug nurse/spirit or against potato survivors and one dcs.
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@akbays35 said:
I'm not complaining too much about it half the time I'm farming with doc and myers for the new killer other time just trying to get the rest of killer achievements, this only happens like twice out of 30 games when I get a highly competent swf team. It's just frustrating seeing how quickly the survivors can get the game done objectively. It's just as a killer you can't truly kill the survivors as intended in less than 5 mins unless you're playing slug nurse/spirit or against potato survivors and one dcs.
Oh I agree that it's frustrating but I've been destroyed and done destroying far more with and in full solo groups even at rank 1. Because swf will always try and save their teammates or try and find out if it's possible whereas competent soloq goes on about business.
I've finally got all my killer achievements except the sacrifices ones done the last few weeks after I got gifted 4 dlcs Hag/Doc/Freddy/Clown. The others I'd never really gone after since Billy, Nurse, Bubba etc i don't really play. Myers Evil III was a bigger pain than Freddy adept.
I'm down to only 3 achievements left to complete before new dlc drops.
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@BeanieEnthusiast said:
Maybe when gens start popping one after the other it’s time to stop chasing the same survivor around loops and chase the others off the gens?this argument only works in lower ranks.
at rank 1 i wish you good luck with finding a player who cant loop the ######### out of you.
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@Mister_xD said:
@BeanieEnthusiast said:
Maybe when gens start popping one after the other it’s time to stop chasing the same survivor around loops and chase the others off the gens?this argument only works in lower ranks.
at rank 1 i wish you good luck with finding a player who cant loop the ######### out of you.
(they exist but they are rather rare)Those are the best ones since quite often at rank 1 they dc the moment you down them and a lot of time they're part of a duo queue and the other person comes to their rescue. So the argument actually works at red ranks also, you just have to be aware of when the appropriate time is.
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@akbays35 said:
Deranked, still got a kill, but I legit just camped a dude on hook that I slugged in a 2 pallet broken chase into a T wall. My complaint is that there really is no counterplay to this.How can I achieve my objective making no mistakes anywhere near the time survivors achieve theirs with no mistakes?
I'm still gonna keep playing killer and improve, but it's weird when I get matched up against dcing potatoes that can barely do a gen then with swf squads that end the game in less than 5 minutes it makes the game wildly inconsistent and unfun at both ends neither feeling appropriately challenging.
ive said this before and i will say this again:
killers are not in the power role, as they should be (excluding nurse). killers are too weak and they will lose against a survivor with equal skill level, as long as both play their skill level accordingly.
there is one iron rule: if both, killer and survivor play perfectly, the killer will lose.
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@powerbats said:
@Mister_xD said:
@BeanieEnthusiast said:
Maybe when gens start popping one after the other it’s time to stop chasing the same survivor around loops and chase the others off the gens?this argument only works in lower ranks.
at rank 1 i wish you good luck with finding a player who cant loop the ######### out of you.
(they exist but they are rather rare)Those are the best ones since quite often at rank 1 they dc the moment you down them and a lot of time they're part of a duo queue and the other person comes to their rescue. So the argument actually works at red ranks also, you just have to be aware of when the appropriate time is.
well, yes they exist.
but why shoudl i stop a chase with an injured person just to go for an not injured person, who can loop me the same way the first one did?also , your argument is based on the fact that you've already downed them, which means that you have gone through all the loops and beat them.
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@Mister_xD said:
@akbays35 said:
Deranked, still got a kill, but I legit just camped a dude on hook that I slugged in a 2 pallet broken chase into a T wall. My complaint is that there really is no counterplay to this.How can I achieve my objective making no mistakes anywhere near the time survivors achieve theirs with no mistakes?
I'm still gonna keep playing killer and improve, but it's weird when I get matched up against dcing potatoes that can barely do a gen then with swf squads that end the game in less than 5 minutes it makes the game wildly inconsistent and unfun at both ends neither feeling appropriately challenging.
ive said this before and i will say this again:
killers are not in the power role, as they should be (excluding nurse). killers are too weak and they will lose against a survivor with equal skill level, as long as both play their skill level accordingly.
there is one iron rule: if both, killer and survivor play perfectly, the killer will lose.
change my mind.You are correct, but the situation you speak of only exists in 1% of games. This is something you need to accept also.
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@Mister_xD said:
@powerbats said:
@Mister_xD said:
@BeanieEnthusiast said:
Maybe when gens start popping one after the other it’s time to stop chasing the same survivor around loops and chase the others off the gens?this argument only works in lower ranks.
at rank 1 i wish you good luck with finding a player who cant loop the ######### out of you.
(they exist but they are rather rare)Those are the best ones since quite often at rank 1 they dc the moment you down them and a lot of time they're part of a duo queue and the other person comes to their rescue. So the argument actually works at red ranks also, you just have to be aware of when the appropriate time is.
well, yes they exist.
but why shoudl i stop a chase with an injured person just to go for an not injured person, who can loop me the same way the first one did?also , your argument is based on the fact that you've already downed them, which means that you have gone through all the loops and beat them.
You'd stop if you were chasing one person and could get a free grab off a gen, chest, sabo, cleansing since that's a free down plus an injured person.
Actually that's incorrect per se since it can be a case of them leading you to whee another survivor is for a free grb, injury,down. In fact quite often they'll end up leading you to someone else thus interrupting gen progress
Then you have the 2nd part of the equation where you get the down after they've every every pallet on the map all while dragging you to others and interrupting them.
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@powerbats said:
@Rebel_Raven said:
I want to see all these people saying to play the SWFs like this anyhow actually make some counter plays to a sub 5 minute, gens done in 3 minutes match, and not use Billy, or Nurse.
Random anyone else but the people that can cover large chunks of the map in seconds.Very few of my games lasted less than 5 minutes and most were 10-25 minute affairs the longer games were against really good teams. In most of my games gens were never done in under 3 minutes and if that's happening to you constantly then you're playing wrong.
I don't ever use Nurse or Billy because I'm just not good with them and they don't fit my style. Spirit I can cover large chunks of the map in seconds and do it sneakier than those 2. The games where the gens were all done in under 3 minutes were either I just simply got outplayed or I made plenty of mistakes.
The other games that were like that were when I was trying to do my daily or an adept on say Nurse, Billy, Hag, Clown, Myers, Huntress, etc. Many of those I'd only recently gotten the DLC for
Quite often games that last under 5 minutes for me are games where I absolutely destroy people and they're lucky to get even 1 gen done let alone 2. In games where they get all gens or most gens powered is because I'm either just playing badly or I'm farming.
When someone crashes during loading screen i simply farm and let everyone go, if someone dc's right at start at 5 gens I do the same. Oh sure I can be a tryhard and 3k the remainder or deal with a bunch more dc's and get nothing or i can simply farm and get lots more bp and evey has a nice match.
But in the end if you'e losing games that quick all the time you need to play better and change your ways because you're not losing every time to depip squad level swf groups.
1: Not sure why you showed me a picture.
2: That's a spirit. I specifically asked for killers that can't cover massive amounts of landscape in seconds, which a Spirit can. I mean some of us like playing other killers besides Billy, Nurse, and Spirit. :PThat doesn't really answer my question, though. How do you counter people getting all 5 gens done in about 3 minutes? And not use the Spirit, Billy, or Nurse?
There's more than a few youtube vids showing that it's possible, even without toolboxes.
I'm not saying it's common (And it's far less common dodging SWFs.), but that's about how you have a 5 minute match. After that, it's all sorta just screwing around, and trolling the killer. Maybe fighting like hell to even secure 1 kill.Ruin might slow things down a little, but lets not pretend it's reliable.
Honestly, you seem kinda far from the problem. You've got all the practice you need. A lot of us, annoyed by this, are average players at best.
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Well I added Spirit in to show it could be done since you only listed Nurse/Billy and really any well played killer can keep up good map pressure.
But it doesn't matter what killer you play since if you don't change how you play or adapt you'll keep getting gen rushed. I've faced Trappers at rank 1 with great map pressure, Pig, Bubba's etc all were great at map pressure.
You just need to improve is all and find a champ that fits your playstyle the best then gear them up and maximize their strengths.
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@powerbats said:
Well I added Spirit in to show it could be done since you only listed Nurse/Billy and really any well played killer can keep up good map pressure.But it doesn't matter what killer you play since if you don't change how you play or adapt you'll keep getting gen rushed. I've faced Trappers at rank 1 with great map pressure, Pig, Bubba's etc all were great at map pressure.
You just need to improve is all and find a champ that fits your playstyle the best then gear them up and maximize their strengths.
Last line of the post you replied to:
"Random anyone else but the people that can cover large chunks of the map in seconds."
And in the following post you put Spirit among the people that can cover lots of ground quickly.Okay, again, maybe watch some Youtube vids of people dealing with gens in about 3 minutes, and come back with strategies on how to stop it. The only real way to do anything about it is Ruin, and one had better pray it lasts long enough to do any good.
I mean it's not uncommon to have 3 gens pop as quickly as possible, and mid chase. Once that's done all they have to do is have 2 people find 2 more gens, and do them which frees up a person for the rescue, and diversion. Next thing you know, a minute, and a half later, the gates are powered.Saying "git gud" more or less when you've probably forgotten where we're at because you haven't been there in so long isn't helping a lot.
A lot of us are still climbing the mountain.Not trying/wanting to be mean about it.
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@powerbats said:
@Mister_xD said:
@powerbats said:
@Mister_xD said:
@BeanieEnthusiast said:
Maybe when gens start popping one after the other it’s time to stop chasing the same survivor around loops and chase the others off the gens?this argument only works in lower ranks.
at rank 1 i wish you good luck with finding a player who cant loop the ######### out of you.
(they exist but they are rather rare)Those are the best ones since quite often at rank 1 they dc the moment you down them and a lot of time they're part of a duo queue and the other person comes to their rescue. So the argument actually works at red ranks also, you just have to be aware of when the appropriate time is.
well, yes they exist.
but why shoudl i stop a chase with an injured person just to go for an not injured person, who can loop me the same way the first one did?also , your argument is based on the fact that you've already downed them, which means that you have gone through all the loops and beat them.
You'd stop if you were chasing one person and could get a free grab off a gen, chest, sabo, cleansing since that's a free down plus an injured person.
Actually that's incorrect per se since it can be a case of them leading you to whee another survivor is for a free grb, injury,down. In fact quite often they'll end up leading you to someone else thus interrupting gen progress
Then you have the 2nd part of the equation where you get the down after they've every every pallet on the map all while dragging you to others and interrupting them.
In this instance playing leatherface, the only pressure he has is when a survivor is hooked because he can down multiple survivors coming for saves. I'm not going to quit a chase against someone I just slugged just because 2 gens get done in a minute across the map. Leatherface is in his element when survivors are trying for altruism because he has no map pressure and his chase ability is fairly weak.
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I've watched plenty of videos you seem to be fixated though on not taking any information that's helpful. I never once used Ruin ever with Spirit and still very rarely had those 3 minute gen games you're complaining of.
I've played Trapper, Pig, Myers extensively and never really had that issue except for when BNP hadn't been nerfed or I just played horribly. I also do remember what it's like to face that, I just don't make any excuses and I learn from my mistakes.
I've played both sides and used what I learned while playing survivor, how the good killers played and how the good survivors played. I took that knowledge to make myself a better player on both sides and yet I've till got lots to learn.
I still make mistakes on both sides but i use those as learning opportunities and now i make less mistakes of the most glaring type. I'm not basically saying git gud, I'm saying you need to improve and stop focusing on the bad matches while ignoring your good ones.
If all you're going to do is focus on the 2 out of 30 matches you get creamed you'll never improve and if you can't keep 5 gens from popping in under 3 minutes. Then you'll be stuck there complaining about not being able to deal with it.
Try recording your gameplay then watch it to see where you made mistakes and where you didn't, where you should've chased and where not. Which gens you can ignore and which you should focus on to damage.
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@powerbats said:
I've watched plenty of videos you seem to be fixated though on not taking any information that's helpful. I never once used Ruin ever with Spirit and still very rarely had those 3 minute gen games you're complaining of.I've played Trapper, Pig, Myers extensively and never really had that issue except for when BNP hadn't been nerfed or I just played horribly. I also do remember what it's like to face that, I just don't make any excuses and I learn from my mistakes.
I've played both sides and used what I learned while playing survivor, how the good killers played and how the good survivors played. I took that knowledge to make myself a better player on both sides and yet I've till got lots to learn.
I still make mistakes on both sides but i use those as learning opportunities and now i make less mistakes of the most glaring type. I'm not basically saying git gud, I'm saying you need to improve and stop focusing on the bad matches while ignoring your good ones.
If all you're going to do is focus on the 2 out of 30 matches you get creamed you'll never improve and if you can't keep 5 gens from popping in under 3 minutes. Then you'll be stuck there complaining about not being able to deal with it.
Try recording your gameplay then watch it to see where you made mistakes and where you didn't, where you should've chased and where not. Which gens you can ignore and which you should focus on to damage.
I'm not getting any information that's helpful, though. You've basically provided no strats.
How is saying " you need to improve and stop focusing on the bad matches while ignoring your good ones" not "git gud?" I mean it's a nicer way of saying it, but it's the same thing in essence. Vague requests that one improve their skills with not much at all in how to improve against that scenario.
2 out of 30 matches where you run into the hyper efficient gen rush? My god, I'm glad I dodge now. You see them way more than I thought.
I don't have time to go back, and pour over my games, damnit all. I have a job that keeps me working a lot, and keeps me wore out, and the lobby times aren't all that helpful. I barely have time to play, period.
Seriously, how much free time do you have? Do you stream for a living?Again, I'm not trying to be mean, but being told I have to improve isn't helpful at all. Nevermind the fact that part of improving is blood points, and getting genrushed for a 5 minute trial isn't going to net many blood points.
The fact it can happen even without toolboxes means it can happen any time. There is no bracing for it.I mean one chase can last long enough for the other 3 to get to a gen, and power through them, leaving only 2 to do, which means they can spare people.
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@Rebel_Raven said:
How is saying " you need to improve and stop focusing on the bad matches while ignoring your good ones" not "git gud?" I mean it's a nicer way of saying it, but it's the same thing in essence. Vague requests that one improve their skills with not much at all in how to improve against that scenario.
2 out of 30 matches where you run into the hyper efficient gen rush? My god, I'm glad I dodge now. You see them way more than I thought.
I don't have time to go back, and pour over my games, damnit all. I have a job that keeps me working a lot, and keeps me wore out, and the lobby times aren't all that helpful. I barely have time to play, period.
Seriously, how much free time do you have? Do you stream for a living?Again, I'm not trying to be mean, but being told I have to improve isn't helpful at all. Nevermind the fact that part of improving is blood points, and getting genrushed for a 5 minute trial isn't going to net many blood points.
The fact it can happen even without toolboxes means it can happen any time. There is no bracing for it.I mean one chase can last long enough for the other 3 to get to a gen, and power through them, leaving only 2 to do, which means they can spare people.
I provided plenty of good tips in other threads that you said were good now you're saying I haven't given any.
The 2 out of 30 matches was in response to someone else using that stat, I don't run into it that often.
Ok but if you can remember the bad times you should remember the good times as well is what I'm saying since you can obviously remember getting stomped despite being tired. IF you can remember the one then you can remember the other one as well and take what worked in those good matches with you.
I'm retired due to a work injury now and no I don't stream but my attitude on gaming hasn't changed in over 3o plus years.
If you're getting gen rushed and having bp issues drop a offering that works for you, don't go for the sacrifice one but go for either Deviousness or Brutality. For the 3k you spend on those you'll easily double or even triple that even on short matches.
For improvement watch videos as you said but don't watch the pro's or high end streamers, watch the lower skilled players to see how they do at your skill level. If you're playing around rank 15 as an example watch someone that plays around that level.
If you're going to main Leatherface you're going to get wrecked until you vastly improve, there's just no getting around that. He can have great map pressure but only if played wisely since going to the extreme end to go after 1 gen can be a waste of time.
BBQ is good but also Whispers ocne you know how to use it, Bitter Murmur and or Tinkerer are also good. Avoid using Ruin until you get much better with him since it's basically a wasted perk otherwise.
For chases try changing your mouse sensitivity and see how that feels, try it out in kyf and find out what's the most comfortable. Learn the maps and what pallets are safe for survivors and which ones are basically a death trap.
You need to know where the great looping spots are and steer the survivor away from those in a chase, cut their angle off and get them to where you want to them to be.
When you damage a gen you can check the area to see if someones around and then when you move away turn around about 10-15 meters away and run backwards.
Quite often you'll see someone sneaking back to that same gen, especially if it's almost done and observe which survivors get married to which gens. Because more often than not even though you're in the area they'll go back to that same gen.
if you're chasing someone and another person runs right at you with a flashlight or bright clothes they want to get chased. Listen for footstep and when you do a pick up fake it sometimes and also turn around right away to bait the flashlight.
Those are just some of the hints you can use.
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Well, the tips people might want from reading in this thread are sorta useless in other threads.powerbats said:@Rebel_Raven said:
How is saying " you need to improve and stop focusing on the bad matches while ignoring your good ones" not "git gud?" I mean it's a nicer way of saying it, but it's the same thing in essence. Vague requests that one improve their skills with not much at all in how to improve against that scenario.
2 out of 30 matches where you run into the hyper efficient gen rush? My god, I'm glad I dodge now. You see them way more than I thought.
I don't have time to go back, and pour over my games, damnit all. I have a job that keeps me working a lot, and keeps me wore out, and the lobby times aren't all that helpful. I barely have time to play, period.
Seriously, how much free time do you have? Do you stream for a living?Again, I'm not trying to be mean, but being told I have to improve isn't helpful at all. Nevermind the fact that part of improving is blood points, and getting genrushed for a 5 minute trial isn't going to net many blood points.
The fact it can happen even without toolboxes means it can happen any time. There is no bracing for it.I mean one chase can last long enough for the other 3 to get to a gen, and power through them, leaving only 2 to do, which means they can spare people.
I provided plenty of good tips in other threads that you said were good now you're saying I haven't given any.
The 2 out of 30 matches was in response to someone else using that stat, I don't run into it that often.
Ok but if you can remember the bad times you should remember the good times as well is what I'm saying since you can obviously remember getting stomped despite being tired. IF you can remember the one then you can remember the other one as well and take what worked in those good matches with you.
I'm retired due to a work injury now and no I don't stream but my attitude on gaming hasn't changed in over 3o plus years.
If you're getting gen rushed and having bp issues drop a offering that works for you, don't go for the sacrifice one but go for either Deviousness or Brutality. For the 3k you spend on those you'll easily double or even triple that even on short matches.
For improvement watch videos as you said but don't watch the pro's or high end streamers, watch the lower skilled players to see how they do at your skill level. If you're playing around rank 15 as an example watch someone that plays around that level.
If you're going to main Leatherface you're going to get wrecked until you vastly improve, there's just no getting around that. He can have great map pressure but only if played wisely since going to the extreme end to go after 1 gen can be a waste of time.
BBQ is good but also Whispers ocne you know how to use it, Bitter Murmur and or Tinkerer are also good. Avoid using Ruin until you get much better with him since it's basically a wasted perk otherwise.
For chases try changing your mouse sensitivity and see how that feels, try it out in kyf and find out what's the most comfortable. Learn the maps and what pallets are safe for survivors and which ones are basically a death trap.
You need to know where the great looping spots are and steer the survivor away from those in a chase, cut their angle off and get them to where you want to them to be.
When you damage a gen you can check the area to see if someones around and then when you move away turn around about 10-15 meters away and run backwards.
Quite often you'll see someone sneaking back to that same gen, especially if it's almost done and observe which survivors get married to which gens. Because more often than not even though you're in the area they'll go back to that same gen.
if you're chasing someone and another person runs right at you with a flashlight or bright clothes they want to get chased. Listen for footstep and when you do a pick up fake it sometimes and also turn around right away to bait the flashlight.
Those are just some of the hints you can use.
Still, I'm not sure how one applies necessary map pressure to stop the full blown gen rush when playing, say, the Pig, or Huntress, Doctor, etc.
Heck, I watch people do it to Billies, and Nurses, even, so even being able to cover the map, and one hit down doesn't seem to work well to stop it.
I'm talking about the gen rushes where 3 gens pop in the first minute and a half, and the last 2 pop in the second minute and a half. No toolboxes on at least some people, so it isn't obvious that it will happen.
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@only1biggs said:
@Master said:
@akbays35 said:
Deranked, still got a kill, but I legit just camped a dude on hook that I slugged in a 2 pallet broken chase into a T wall. My complaint is that there really is no counterplay to this.How can I achieve my objective making no mistakes anywhere near the time survivors achieve theirs with no mistakes?
I'm still gonna keep playing killer and improve, but it's weird when I get matched up against dcing potatoes that can barely do a gen then with swf squads that end the game in less than 5 minutes it makes the game wildly inconsistent and unfun at both ends neither feeling appropriately challenging.
There is nothing you can do about this sadly. The depip squad showed the true unbalance of the game, the devs reacted and said they already have been aware of this and that it would be nothing new to them.
Sadly, up to now, they havent changed anything about gens.Personally, I started deranking and have fun games in lower ranks.
If you are that kindof competitive player that really wants to win, even against good SWF, then you need to play nurse, there is no way around that sadly
There is something you can do about it.
NOBODY plays like the "de-pip squad".
Speak for yourself.
Nobody plays like the depip squad, yet the OP described a game where a SWF played exactly like the depip squad.
What a mystery
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@only1biggs said:
@Mister_xD said:
@akbays35 said:
Deranked, still got a kill, but I legit just camped a dude on hook that I slugged in a 2 pallet broken chase into a T wall. My complaint is that there really is no counterplay to this.How can I achieve my objective making no mistakes anywhere near the time survivors achieve theirs with no mistakes?
I'm still gonna keep playing killer and improve, but it's weird when I get matched up against dcing potatoes that can barely do a gen then with swf squads that end the game in less than 5 minutes it makes the game wildly inconsistent and unfun at both ends neither feeling appropriately challenging.
ive said this before and i will say this again:
killers are not in the power role, as they should be (excluding nurse). killers are too weak and they will lose against a survivor with equal skill level, as long as both play their skill level accordingly.
there is one iron rule: if both, killer and survivor play perfectly, the killer will lose.
change my mind.You are correct, but the situation you speak of only exists in 1% of games. This is something you need to accept also.
i wouldnt say its 1%, but i have to agree that they are rather rare.
however, it just bucks me, that a survivor can become literally untouchable when he is skilled enough. these guys are so frustrating to play against, its ridiculous.and yes, this may be rare now, but as the time goes on people will improve and more survivors will hit this skill sealing over time, which could lead to the majority of the matches being against these guys. and THAT is what im afraid of.
an i will be honest with you: this game is a mess. while killers in low ranks are incredibly strong, almost OP, they are a joke in highranks (excluding nurse, as its literally the other way around with her xD). and i personally dont see a way to buff killers to a level, where they are strong in high ranks without completely breaking the low ranks and scaring newer players away from the game.
and this is sad, as this probaply means, that killers will never get the place they deserve in high ranks.1 -
@Master said:
@only1biggs said:
@Master said:
@akbays35 said:
Deranked, still got a kill, but I legit just camped a dude on hook that I slugged in a 2 pallet broken chase into a T wall. My complaint is that there really is no counterplay to this.How can I achieve my objective making no mistakes anywhere near the time survivors achieve theirs with no mistakes?
I'm still gonna keep playing killer and improve, but it's weird when I get matched up against dcing potatoes that can barely do a gen then with swf squads that end the game in less than 5 minutes it makes the game wildly inconsistent and unfun at both ends neither feeling appropriately challenging.
There is nothing you can do about this sadly. The depip squad showed the true unbalance of the game, the devs reacted and said they already have been aware of this and that it would be nothing new to them.
Sadly, up to now, they havent changed anything about gens.Personally, I started deranking and have fun games in lower ranks.
If you are that kindof competitive player that really wants to win, even against good SWF, then you need to play nurse, there is no way around that sadly
There is something you can do about it.
NOBODY plays like the "de-pip squad".
Speak for yourself.
Nobody plays like the depip squad, yet the OP described a game where a SWF played exactly like the depip squad.
What a mystery
Riiight. Are you being intentionally dishonest? You think the depip idiots would surround the killer and attempt saves? You think they would heal or do anything a normal game would entail? No. Because he didn't play against a depip type squad, he just had a poor game and didn't play well and did things incorrectly, or didn't know how (he said he will keep trying to improve).
Stop perpetuating a false narrative just because it suits you @Master you...a guy that gets looped for 5 gens WITH the old bloodlust speeds. Pathetic.
The OP didn't even answer my questions about how he played, he just described a whole bunch of nothing. I'm going to presume that he didn't play well and got bodied, then came here like so many do and say things like "there's no counter", when there very clearly is.
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@Mister_xD said:
@only1biggs said:
@Mister_xD said:
@akbays35 said:
Deranked, still got a kill, but I legit just camped a dude on hook that I slugged in a 2 pallet broken chase into a T wall. My complaint is that there really is no counterplay to this.How can I achieve my objective making no mistakes anywhere near the time survivors achieve theirs with no mistakes?
I'm still gonna keep playing killer and improve, but it's weird when I get matched up against dcing potatoes that can barely do a gen then with swf squads that end the game in less than 5 minutes it makes the game wildly inconsistent and unfun at both ends neither feeling appropriately challenging.
ive said this before and i will say this again:
killers are not in the power role, as they should be (excluding nurse). killers are too weak and they will lose against a survivor with equal skill level, as long as both play their skill level accordingly.
there is one iron rule: if both, killer and survivor play perfectly, the killer will lose.
change my mind.You are correct, but the situation you speak of only exists in 1% of games. This is something you need to accept also.
i wouldnt say its 1%, but i have to agree that they are rather rare.
however, it just bucks me, that a survivor can become literally untouchable when he is skilled enough. these guys are so frustrating to play against, its ridiculous.and yes, this may be rare now, but as the time goes on people will improve and more survivors will hit this skill sealing over time, which could lead to the majority of the matches being against these guys. and THAT is what im afraid of.
an i will be honest with you: this game is a mess. while killers in low ranks are incredibly strong, almost OP, they are a joke in highranks (excluding nurse, as its literally the other way around with her xD). and i personally dont see a way to buff killers to a level, where they are strong in high ranks without completely breaking the low ranks and scaring newer players away from the game.
and this is sad, as this probaply means, that killers will never get the place they deserve in high ranks.If it's rare, then why get "bucked" over something so inconsequential? It's 1% dude, the quicker you accept that the better. 90% of the playerbase is also boosted or doesn't care/casual, 5% good, 5% great (obvious rough numbers but you get the idea). But in every game, survivors make mistakes and the killer can take advantage of them and even force them if you learn how to.
Many people use all killers at high ranks and do fine, so speak for yourself in that regard.
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@only1biggs said:
@Mister_xD said:
@only1biggs said:
@Mister_xD said:
@akbays35 said:
Deranked, still got a kill, but I legit just camped a dude on hook that I slugged in a 2 pallet broken chase into a T wall. My complaint is that there really is no counterplay to this.How can I achieve my objective making no mistakes anywhere near the time survivors achieve theirs with no mistakes?
I'm still gonna keep playing killer and improve, but it's weird when I get matched up against dcing potatoes that can barely do a gen then with swf squads that end the game in less than 5 minutes it makes the game wildly inconsistent and unfun at both ends neither feeling appropriately challenging.
ive said this before and i will say this again:
killers are not in the power role, as they should be (excluding nurse). killers are too weak and they will lose against a survivor with equal skill level, as long as both play their skill level accordingly.
there is one iron rule: if both, killer and survivor play perfectly, the killer will lose.
change my mind.You are correct, but the situation you speak of only exists in 1% of games. This is something you need to accept also.
i wouldnt say its 1%, but i have to agree that they are rather rare.
however, it just bucks me, that a survivor can become literally untouchable when he is skilled enough. these guys are so frustrating to play against, its ridiculous.and yes, this may be rare now, but as the time goes on people will improve and more survivors will hit this skill sealing over time, which could lead to the majority of the matches being against these guys. and THAT is what im afraid of.
an i will be honest with you: this game is a mess. while killers in low ranks are incredibly strong, almost OP, they are a joke in highranks (excluding nurse, as its literally the other way around with her xD). and i personally dont see a way to buff killers to a level, where they are strong in high ranks without completely breaking the low ranks and scaring newer players away from the game.
and this is sad, as this probaply means, that killers will never get the place they deserve in high ranks.If it's rare, then why get "bucked" over something so inconsequential? It's 1% dude, the quicker you accept that the better. 90% of the playerbase is also boosted or doesn't care/casual, 5% good, 5% great (obvious rough numbers but you get the idea). But in every game, survivors make mistakes and the killer can take advantage of them and even force them if you learn how to.
Many people use all killers at high ranks and do fine, so speak for yourself in that regard.
you completely missed the point of my argument there.
again: it might be rare now, but it will get more common in the future.
a single survivor should not even have the ability to win in a 1v1 against the killer, yet they do.
and only because not many people know how to use this, they will improve and they will reach this point. take me as an example: im playing survivor very rarely, yet i still manage to get to rank 1 and beat the majority of killers in the match.PS: ive gotten to rank 1 as freddy, so your "some ppl play all killers" argument doesnt rly work on me...
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@Mister_xD said:
@only1biggs said:
@Mister_xD said:
@only1biggs said:
@Mister_xD said:
@akbays35 said:
Deranked, still got a kill, but I legit just camped a dude on hook that I slugged in a 2 pallet broken chase into a T wall. My complaint is that there really is no counterplay to this.How can I achieve my objective making no mistakes anywhere near the time survivors achieve theirs with no mistakes?
I'm still gonna keep playing killer and improve, but it's weird when I get matched up against dcing potatoes that can barely do a gen then with swf squads that end the game in less than 5 minutes it makes the game wildly inconsistent and unfun at both ends neither feeling appropriately challenging.
ive said this before and i will say this again:
killers are not in the power role, as they should be (excluding nurse). killers are too weak and they will lose against a survivor with equal skill level, as long as both play their skill level accordingly.
there is one iron rule: if both, killer and survivor play perfectly, the killer will lose.
change my mind.You are correct, but the situation you speak of only exists in 1% of games. This is something you need to accept also.
i wouldnt say its 1%, but i have to agree that they are rather rare.
however, it just bucks me, that a survivor can become literally untouchable when he is skilled enough. these guys are so frustrating to play against, its ridiculous.and yes, this may be rare now, but as the time goes on people will improve and more survivors will hit this skill sealing over time, which could lead to the majority of the matches being against these guys. and THAT is what im afraid of.
an i will be honest with you: this game is a mess. while killers in low ranks are incredibly strong, almost OP, they are a joke in highranks (excluding nurse, as its literally the other way around with her xD). and i personally dont see a way to buff killers to a level, where they are strong in high ranks without completely breaking the low ranks and scaring newer players away from the game.
and this is sad, as this probaply means, that killers will never get the place they deserve in high ranks.If it's rare, then why get "bucked" over something so inconsequential? It's 1% dude, the quicker you accept that the better. 90% of the playerbase is also boosted or doesn't care/casual, 5% good, 5% great (obvious rough numbers but you get the idea). But in every game, survivors make mistakes and the killer can take advantage of them and even force them if you learn how to.
Many people use all killers at high ranks and do fine, so speak for yourself in that regard.
you completely missed the point of my argument there.
again: it might be rare now, but it will get more common in the future.
a single survivor should not even have the ability to win in a 1v1 against the killer, yet they do.
and only because not many people know how to use this, they will improve and they will reach this point. take me as an example: im playing survivor very rarely, yet i still manage to get to rank 1 and beat the majority of killers in the match.PS: ive gotten to rank 1 as freddy, so your "some ppl play all killers" argument doesnt rly work on me...
No dude, it's always been rare. And a single survivor can't win 1v1, don't be ridiculous. If a killer wants you dead you are going to die, the rest of the game be damned.
What you're talking about happened and now killers have been buffed and survivors nerfed. Sure, there are things on both sides that are annoying or whatever, but it's created the best state the game has ever been in and things will only continue to get better. It's a strange kind of imbalance that works right now.
As for you getting rank 1 as Freddy, thanks for proving my point and discarding yours I guess?
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@only1biggs said:
@Mister_xD said:
@only1biggs said:
@Mister_xD said:
@only1biggs said:
@Mister_xD said:
@akbays35 said:
Deranked, still got a kill, but I legit just camped a dude on hook that I slugged in a 2 pallet broken chase into a T wall. My complaint is that there really is no counterplay to this.How can I achieve my objective making no mistakes anywhere near the time survivors achieve theirs with no mistakes?
I'm still gonna keep playing killer and improve, but it's weird when I get matched up against dcing potatoes that can barely do a gen then with swf squads that end the game in less than 5 minutes it makes the game wildly inconsistent and unfun at both ends neither feeling appropriately challenging.
ive said this before and i will say this again:
killers are not in the power role, as they should be (excluding nurse). killers are too weak and they will lose against a survivor with equal skill level, as long as both play their skill level accordingly.
there is one iron rule: if both, killer and survivor play perfectly, the killer will lose.
change my mind.You are correct, but the situation you speak of only exists in 1% of games. This is something you need to accept also.
i wouldnt say its 1%, but i have to agree that they are rather rare.
however, it just bucks me, that a survivor can become literally untouchable when he is skilled enough. these guys are so frustrating to play against, its ridiculous.and yes, this may be rare now, but as the time goes on people will improve and more survivors will hit this skill sealing over time, which could lead to the majority of the matches being against these guys. and THAT is what im afraid of.
an i will be honest with you: this game is a mess. while killers in low ranks are incredibly strong, almost OP, they are a joke in highranks (excluding nurse, as its literally the other way around with her xD). and i personally dont see a way to buff killers to a level, where they are strong in high ranks without completely breaking the low ranks and scaring newer players away from the game.
and this is sad, as this probaply means, that killers will never get the place they deserve in high ranks.If it's rare, then why get "bucked" over something so inconsequential? It's 1% dude, the quicker you accept that the better. 90% of the playerbase is also boosted or doesn't care/casual, 5% good, 5% great (obvious rough numbers but you get the idea). But in every game, survivors make mistakes and the killer can take advantage of them and even force them if you learn how to.
Many people use all killers at high ranks and do fine, so speak for yourself in that regard.
you completely missed the point of my argument there.
again: it might be rare now, but it will get more common in the future.
a single survivor should not even have the ability to win in a 1v1 against the killer, yet they do.
and only because not many people know how to use this, they will improve and they will reach this point. take me as an example: im playing survivor very rarely, yet i still manage to get to rank 1 and beat the majority of killers in the match.PS: ive gotten to rank 1 as freddy, so your "some ppl play all killers" argument doesnt rly work on me...
No dude, it's always been rare. And a single survivor can't win 1v1, don't be ridiculous. If a killer wants you dead you are going to die, the rest of the game be damned.
What you're talking about happened and now killers have been buffed and survivors nerfed. Sure, there are things on both sides that are annoying or whatever, but it's created the best state the game has ever been in and things will only continue to get better. It's a strange kind of imbalance that works right now.
As for you getting rank 1 as Freddy, thanks for proving my point and discarding yours I guess?
okay...
yes, it is rare.
no, it has not always been rare, just check the old infinites as an example.
yes, a survivor can win a 1v1 against a killer, just by looping him until the exit gates have been opened. if you think the killer has the upper hand in a chase, you dont seem to be an expreienced killer (excluding nurse (again) from this argument), as killers are only reactive to the mistakes a survivor makes. so if a survivor makes no mistakes, how is the killer supposed to catch them? there is simply no way.and yes, this happened before the killer buffs, but this doesnt mean this wouldnt happen anymore. as i have said in my 1st comment, the killer buffs put killers in the place they deserve in low ranks. yet in high ranks killers are far from being at said power role (but ive talked abou this issue in my first comment, just reread that if you want to know more). and yes, this game is in the best state it has ever been in, thats also true, but this does not mean that it is a good state, its just the best we've seen so far.
let me give you an example: if someone has cancer and the doctor says "you only have 1 more week to live!", than he is in a very bad state. the next day, the doctor cotacts him and tells him "Congratulations! We have been able to stop the cancer from spreading, so you have a whole year to live now!". in that case, the person would be in the best state he has been so far, yet he is far away from a good state.and for my argument that i "discarded myself"...
yes, i got to rank 1 with freddy. however, this does not proof my point wrong, cuz, as ive said in my 1st argument (and im starting to get the feeling you didnt even read that one), these untouchable survivors are rare right now. and i have lost a lot of times as freddy on this journey, believe me when i say this. however, i still managed to win like every 2nd to 3rd game with a pip and keep the lost games to a savepip, so i wouldnt be stuck on a specific rank, allowing me to get to rank 1.
however, when these survivors get more common, killers like freddy will heavily suffer from these and any killer, who is not nurse, will be unplayable, so you will see the number of nurse mains heavily increasing.also, do you want to know, why nurse is top tier / OP tier / S++ tier / nurse tier / whatever you want to call it?
its because she is the only killer in this whole game, who can fight loops. nurse is un loopable. she is the only killer standing a chance against said god tier survivors and she will massacre everyone who is not said god tier as a survivor, resulting in the common thought of her being OP.EDIT: its kinda hard to repond to you, as many of the things you say are correct, but you missunderstood them / use them in the wrong context...
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@only1biggs said:
@Mister_xD said:
@only1biggs said:
@Mister_xD said:
@only1biggs said:
@Mister_xD said:
@akbays35 said:
Deranked, still got a kill, but I legit just camped a dude on hook that I slugged in a 2 pallet broken chase into a T wall. My complaint is that there really is no counterplay to this.How can I achieve my objective making no mistakes anywhere near the time survivors achieve theirs with no mistakes?
I'm still gonna keep playing killer and improve, but it's weird when I get matched up against dcing potatoes that can barely do a gen then with swf squads that end the game in less than 5 minutes it makes the game wildly inconsistent and unfun at both ends neither feeling appropriately challenging.
ive said this before and i will say this again:
killers are not in the power role, as they should be (excluding nurse). killers are too weak and they will lose against a survivor with equal skill level, as long as both play their skill level accordingly.
there is one iron rule: if both, killer and survivor play perfectly, the killer will lose.
change my mind.You are correct, but the situation you speak of only exists in 1% of games. This is something you need to accept also.
i wouldnt say its 1%, but i have to agree that they are rather rare.
however, it just bucks me, that a survivor can become literally untouchable when he is skilled enough. these guys are so frustrating to play against, its ridiculous.and yes, this may be rare now, but as the time goes on people will improve and more survivors will hit this skill sealing over time, which could lead to the majority of the matches being against these guys. and THAT is what im afraid of.
an i will be honest with you: this game is a mess. while killers in low ranks are incredibly strong, almost OP, they are a joke in highranks (excluding nurse, as its literally the other way around with her xD). and i personally dont see a way to buff killers to a level, where they are strong in high ranks without completely breaking the low ranks and scaring newer players away from the game.
and this is sad, as this probaply means, that killers will never get the place they deserve in high ranks.If it's rare, then why get "bucked" over something so inconsequential? It's 1% dude, the quicker you accept that the better. 90% of the playerbase is also boosted or doesn't care/casual, 5% good, 5% great (obvious rough numbers but you get the idea). But in every game, survivors make mistakes and the killer can take advantage of them and even force them if you learn how to.
Many people use all killers at high ranks and do fine, so speak for yourself in that regard.
you completely missed the point of my argument there.
again: it might be rare now, but it will get more common in the future.
a single survivor should not even have the ability to win in a 1v1 against the killer, yet they do.
and only because not many people know how to use this, they will improve and they will reach this point. take me as an example: im playing survivor very rarely, yet i still manage to get to rank 1 and beat the majority of killers in the match.PS: ive gotten to rank 1 as freddy, so your "some ppl play all killers" argument doesnt rly work on me...
No dude, it's always been rare. And a single survivor can't win 1v1, don't be ridiculous. If a killer wants you dead you are going to die, the rest of the game be damned.
What you're talking about happened and now killers have been buffed and survivors nerfed. Sure, there are things on both sides that are annoying or whatever, but it's created the best state the game has ever been in and things will only continue to get better. It's a strange kind of imbalance that works right now.
As for you getting rank 1 as Freddy, thanks for proving my point and discarding yours I guess?
okay...
yes, it is rare.
no, it has not always been rare, just check the old infinites as an example.
yes, a survivor can win a 1v1 against a killer, just by looping him until the exit gates have been opened. if you think the killer has the upper hand in a chase, you dont seem to be an expreienced killer (excluding nurse (again) from this argument), as killers are only reactive to the mistakes a survivor makes. so if a survivor makes no mistakes, how is the killer supposed to catch them? there is simply no way.and yes, this happened before the killer buffs, but this doesnt mean this wouldnt happen anymore. as i have said in my 1st comment, the killer buffs put killers in the place they deserve in low ranks. yet in high ranks killers are far from being at said power role (but ive talked abou this issue in my first comment, just reread that if you want to know more). and yes, this game is in the best state it has ever been in, thats also true, but this does not mean that it is a good state, its just the best we've seen so far.
let me give you an example: if someone has cancer and the doctor says "you only have 1 more week to live!", than he is in a very bad state. the next day, the doctor cotacts him and tells him "Congratulations! We have been able to stop the cancer from spreading, so you have a whole year to live now!". in that case, the person would be in the best state he has been so far, yet he is far away from a good state.and for my argument that i "discarded myself"...
yes, i got to rank 1 with freddy. however, this does not proof my point wrong, cuz, as ive said in my 1st argument (and im starting to get the feeling you didnt even read that one), these untouchable survivors are rare right now. and i have lost a lot of times as freddy on this journey, believe me when i say this. however, i still managed to win like every 2nd to 3rd game with a pip and keep the lost games to a savepip, so i wouldnt be stuck on a specific rank, allowing me to get to rank 1.
however, when these survivors get more common, killers like freddy will heavily suffer from these and any killer, who is not nurse, will be unplayable, so you will see the number of nurse mains heavily increasing.also, do you want to know, why nurse is top tier / OP tier / S++ tier / nurse tier / whatever you want to call it?
its because she is the only killer in this whole game, who can fight loops. nurse is un loopable. she is the only killer standing a chance against said god tier survivors and she will massacre everyone who is not said god tier as a survivor, resulting in the common thought of her being OP.EDIT: its kinda hard to repond to you, as many of the things you say are correct, but you missunderstood them / use them in the wrong context...
Survivors make mistakes in EVERY game. You speak like we live in a fairy land where survivors NEVER make mistakes. Even the depip goons made mistakes and several killers were able to take advantage of that..because they are good killers. I am also a very experienced killer across all platforms. Next
The game is continually evolving and for the better. The game had never been better for killers right now, evidence supports this.
Killers do just fine if they want to. Again, evidence. Next
"Untouchable survivors"? I'm starting to think you are just bad at the game and/or want more help/easier kills. You got to rank 1 as Freddy. What's your problem? Moreover, survivors won't be getting more and more powerful so long as killers learn more.
You keep dancing round in circles here and talking nonsense.
ALL killers are viable at all ranks. You just have to get better. If you want to win all the time, use Nurse.
Looping and chasing is the game. People hate Nurse because she breaks the game. A good nurse or spirit has no counter play. If you don't like the chase or being looped, stop playing. Or learn how to cut loops properly, mind game and run tiles correctly etc etc.. which goes back to the original topic.
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@Mister_xD said:
@only1biggs said:
@Mister_xD said:
@only1biggs said:
@Mister_xD said:
@only1biggs said:
@Mister_xD said:
@akbays35 said:
Deranked, still got a kill, but I legit just camped a dude on hook that I slugged in a 2 pallet broken chase into a T wall. My complaint is that there really is no counterplay to this.How can I achieve my objective making no mistakes anywhere near the time survivors achieve theirs with no mistakes?
I'm still gonna keep playing killer and improve, but it's weird when I get matched up against dcing potatoes that can barely do a gen then with swf squads that end the game in less than 5 minutes it makes the game wildly inconsistent and unfun at both ends neither feeling appropriately challenging.
ive said this before and i will say this again:
killers are not in the power role, as they should be (excluding nurse). killers are too weak and they will lose against a survivor with equal skill level, as long as both play their skill level accordingly.
there is one iron rule: if both, killer and survivor play perfectly, the killer will lose.
change my mind.You are correct, but the situation you speak of only exists in 1% of games. This is something you need to accept also.
i wouldnt say its 1%, but i have to agree that they are rather rare.
however, it just bucks me, that a survivor can become literally untouchable when he is skilled enough. these guys are so frustrating to play against, its ridiculous.and yes, this may be rare now, but as the time goes on people will improve and more survivors will hit this skill sealing over time, which could lead to the majority of the matches being against these guys. and THAT is what im afraid of.
an i will be honest with you: this game is a mess. while killers in low ranks are incredibly strong, almost OP, they are a joke in highranks (excluding nurse, as its literally the other way around with her xD). and i personally dont see a way to buff killers to a level, where they are strong in high ranks without completely breaking the low ranks and scaring newer players away from the game.
and this is sad, as this probaply means, that killers will never get the place they deserve in high ranks.If it's rare, then why get "bucked" over something so inconsequential? It's 1% dude, the quicker you accept that the better. 90% of the playerbase is also boosted or doesn't care/casual, 5% good, 5% great (obvious rough numbers but you get the idea). But in every game, survivors make mistakes and the killer can take advantage of them and even force them if you learn how to.
Many people use all killers at high ranks and do fine, so speak for yourself in that regard.
you completely missed the point of my argument there.
again: it might be rare now, but it will get more common in the future.
a single survivor should not even have the ability to win in a 1v1 against the killer, yet they do.
and only because not many people know how to use this, they will improve and they will reach this point. take me as an example: im playing survivor very rarely, yet i still manage to get to rank 1 and beat the majority of killers in the match.PS: ive gotten to rank 1 as freddy, so your "some ppl play all killers" argument doesnt rly work on me...
No dude, it's always been rare. And a single survivor can't win 1v1, don't be ridiculous. If a killer wants you dead you are going to die, the rest of the game be damned.
What you're talking about happened and now killers have been buffed and survivors nerfed. Sure, there are things on both sides that are annoying or whatever, but it's created the best state the game has ever been in and things will only continue to get better. It's a strange kind of imbalance that works right now.
As for you getting rank 1 as Freddy, thanks for proving my point and discarding yours I guess?
okay...
yes, it is rare.
no, it has not always been rare, just check the old infinites as an example.
yes, a survivor can win a 1v1 against a killer, just by looping him until the exit gates have been opened. if you think the killer has the upper hand in a chase, you dont seem to be an expreienced killer (excluding nurse (again) from this argument), as killers are only reactive to the mistakes a survivor makes. so if a survivor makes no mistakes, how is the killer supposed to catch them? there is simply no way.and yes, this happened before the killer buffs, but this doesnt mean this wouldnt happen anymore. as i have said in my 1st comment, the killer buffs put killers in the place they deserve in low ranks. yet in high ranks killers are far from being at said power role (but ive talked abou this issue in my first comment, just reread that if you want to know more). and yes, this game is in the best state it has ever been in, thats also true, but this does not mean that it is a good state, its just the best we've seen so far.
let me give you an example: if someone has cancer and the doctor says "you only have 1 more week to live!", than he is in a very bad state. the next day, the doctor cotacts him and tells him "Congratulations! We have been able to stop the cancer from spreading, so you have a whole year to live now!". in that case, the person would be in the best state he has been so far, yet he is far away from a good state.and for my argument that i "discarded myself"...
yes, i got to rank 1 with freddy. however, this does not proof my point wrong, cuz, as ive said in my 1st argument (and im starting to get the feeling you didnt even read that one), these untouchable survivors are rare right now. and i have lost a lot of times as freddy on this journey, believe me when i say this. however, i still managed to win like every 2nd to 3rd game with a pip and keep the lost games to a savepip, so i wouldnt be stuck on a specific rank, allowing me to get to rank 1.
however, when these survivors get more common, killers like freddy will heavily suffer from these and any killer, who is not nurse, will be unplayable, so you will see the number of nurse mains heavily increasing.also, do you want to know, why nurse is top tier / OP tier / S++ tier / nurse tier / whatever you want to call it?
its because she is the only killer in this whole game, who can fight loops. nurse is un loopable. she is the only killer standing a chance against said god tier survivors and she will massacre everyone who is not said god tier as a survivor, resulting in the common thought of her being OP.EDIT: its kinda hard to repond to you, as many of the things you say are correct, but you missunderstood them / use them in the wrong context...
Survivors make mistakes in EVERY game. You speak like we live in a fairy land where survivors NEVER make mistakes. Even the depip goons made mistakes and several killers were able to take advantage of that..because they are good killers. I am also a very experienced killer across all platforms. Next
The game is continually evolving and for the better. The game had never been better for killers right now, evidence supports this.
Killers do just fine if they want to. Again, evidence. Next
"Untouchable survivors"? I'm starting to think you are just bad at the game and/or want more help/easier kills. You got to rank 1 as Freddy. What's your problem? Moreover, survivors won't be getting more and more powerful so long as killers learn more.
You keep dancing round in circles here and talking nonsense.
ALL killers are viable at all ranks. You just have to get better. If you want to win all the time, use Nurse.
Looping and chasing is the game. People hate Nurse because she breaks the game. A good nurse or spirit has no counter play. If you don't like the chase or being looped, stop playing. Or learn how to cut loops properly, mind game and run tiles correctly etc etc.. which goes back to the original topic.
"Survivors make mistakes in EVERY game. You speak like we live in a fairy land where survivors NEVER make mistakes. Even the depip goons made mistakes and several killers were able to take advantage of that..because they are good killers." i have already answered this in all of my previous comments. i would recommend you to read them, as you will hear this sentence pretty often in this text.
"I am also a very experienced killer across all platforms. Next" depending on your answers, i dont really believe you. next.
"The game is continually evolving and for the better. The game had never been better for killers right now, evidence supports this." i have already answered that.
"Killers do just fine if they want to. Again, evidence. Next" false. there is only so much a killer can do. as ive said in previous comments the killer can only react to the survivors mistakes. when a killer plays perfectly, he still relies on the survivors missplays. this is a fact. which also means, that a survivor who plays perfectly will be untouchable for the killer. next.
""Untouchable survivors"? I'm starting to think you are just bad at the game and/or want more help/easier kills. You got to rank 1 as Freddy. What's your problem?" so you call me bad in the same sentence you mention me getting to rank 1 as freddy... okay then. and my problem is, that survivors can become literally untouchable for the killer, which i have, again, already stated in previous comments.
"Moreover, survivors won't be getting more and more powerful so long as killers learn more." the survivors skill cap is fairly low, yet its enough for completely avoiding any killer. as soon as a survivor has reached the maximum of his skillcap, there is no way for any killer (unless nurse) to catch them, no matter their skill. and why that is so, you can find out for yourself by reading my previous comments.
"ALL killers are viable at all ranks. " no. moving on.
"You just have to get better." i wont comment on that one, as ive already done that in this post.
"If you want to win all the time, use Nurse." yes, because she is the only killer who actually relies on skill to catch a survivor. change my mind. (and read my previous posts where i explained why ^^)
"Looping and chasing is the game." nope. this games base mechanics are build around a hide and seek game, not a game of tag. the only reason for the chase being in the game is to give survivors the ability to break the LoS with the killer and hide again. but at some point people discovered that it is way more effective to simply loop the killer with the tools which were supposed to break yout LoS and win that way, so the looping meta was born, which, btw, completely broke the game, so the devs had to nerf nerf nerf this meta. its still the stronger meta though.
"People hate Nurse because she breaks the game." actually, she does not. just look at her base kit: strength = chasing, weakness = tracking / finding. the only reason of why this doesn not work atm is because nurses have a lot of tracking perks available, helping them out to counter this big weakness. a vanilla nurse will still be easily defeated by stealth play. i honestly dont think you are anyway near as experienced in this game as you try to tell me...
"A good nurse or spirit has no counter play." step 1: open google. step 2: search "mindgames". step 3: success. there you go. both of these killers are mindgameable, especially spirit. and yes, a god like nurse has no counter play, due to her skill + perk choices, but these players are just as rare as the untouchable survivors we are talking about, so yeah. ill just go ahead and use your own argument here c:
"If you don't like the chase or being looped, stop playing." oh i enjoy the chase. i also dont have a problem with loops, as long as the survivors skill level is inferiour to mine, allowing me to succesfully mindgame them. however, the survivors we are talking about here are people, who are very, veery experienced players. these guys wont fall for mindgames more than once and still manage to stall the game out as long as needed in order to get the gates open and escape. ive just recently had a doc game where this happened to me. in the whole round ive got 2 hooks and broke 3 pallets before they all escaped. in 7 minutes. with ruin.
"Or learn how to cut loops properly, mind game and run tiles correctly etc etc.. which goes back to the original topic." id like to ask you how you imagine me getting to rank 1 as a freddy, using no ruin, no noed, not even add ons or offerings without these starts?
and i saved the best for the last!
"You keep dancing round in circles here and talking nonsense." this one made me laugh. hinestly, look at your comments and then at mine. the one dancing around in a circle is you, not me xD you are continuously bringing up arguments ive already talked about and answered in previous comments, yet you still think they are effective in any way.
honestly, i am going to end this debate here, unless you come up with an original argument we've not talked about so far.
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@only1biggs said:
@Mister_xD said:
@only1biggs said:
@Mister_xD said:
@only1biggs said:
@Mister_xD said:
@only1biggs said:
@Mister_xD said:
@akbays35 said:
Deranked, still got a kill, but I legit just camped a dude on hook that I slugged in a 2 pallet broken chase into a T wall. My complaint is that there really is no counterplay to this.How can I achieve my objective making no mistakes anywhere near the time survivors achieve theirs with no mistakes?
I'm still gonna keep playing killer and improve, but it's weird when I get matched up against dcing potatoes that can barely do a gen then with swf squads that end the game in less than 5 minutes it makes the game wildly inconsistent and unfun at both ends neither feeling appropriately challenging.
ive said this before and i will say this again:
killers are not in the power role, as they should be (excluding nurse). killers are too weak and they will lose against a survivor with equal skill level, as long as both play their skill level accordingly.
there is one iron rule: if both, killer and survivor play perfectly, the killer will lose.
change my mind.You are correct, but the situation you speak of only exists in 1% of games. This is something you need to accept also.
i wouldnt say its 1%, but i have to agree that they are rather rare.
however, it just bucks me, that a survivor can become literally untouchable when he is skilled enough. these guys are so frustrating to play against, its ridiculous.and yes, this may be rare now, but as the time goes on people will improve and more survivors will hit this skill sealing over time, which could lead to the majority of the matches being against these guys. and THAT is what im afraid of.
an i will be honest with you: this game is a mess. while killers in low ranks are incredibly strong, almost OP, they are a joke in highranks (excluding nurse, as its literally the other way around with her xD). and i personally dont see a way to buff killers to a level, where they are strong in high ranks without completely breaking the low ranks and scaring newer players away from the game.
and this is sad, as this probaply means, that killers will never get the place they deserve in high ranks.If it's rare, then why get "bucked" over something so inconsequential? It's 1% dude, the quicker you accept that the better. 90% of the playerbase is also boosted or doesn't care/casual, 5% good, 5% great (obvious rough numbers but you get the idea). But in every game, survivors make mistakes and the killer can take advantage of them and even force them if you learn how to.
Many people use all killers at high ranks and do fine, so speak for yourself in that regard.
you completely missed the point of my argument there.
again: it might be rare now, but it will get more common in the future.
a single survivor should not even have the ability to win in a 1v1 against the killer, yet they do.
and only because not many people know how to use this, they will improve and they will reach this point. take me as an example: im playing survivor very rarely, yet i still manage to get to rank 1 and beat the majority of killers in the match.PS: ive gotten to rank 1 as freddy, so your "some ppl play all killers" argument doesnt rly work on me...
No dude, it's always been rare. And a single survivor can't win 1v1, don't be ridiculous. If a killer wants you dead you are going to die, the rest of the game be damned.
What you're talking about happened and now killers have been buffed and survivors nerfed. Sure, there are things on both sides that are annoying or whatever, but it's created the best state the game has ever been in and things will only continue to get better. It's a strange kind of imbalance that works right now.
As for you getting rank 1 as Freddy, thanks for proving my point and discarding yours I guess?
okay...
yes, it is rare.
no, it has not always been rare, just check the old infinites as an example.
yes, a survivor can win a 1v1 against a killer, just by looping him until the exit gates have been opened. if you think the killer has the upper hand in a chase, you dont seem to be an expreienced killer (excluding nurse (again) from this argument), as killers are only reactive to the mistakes a survivor makes. so if a survivor makes no mistakes, how is the killer supposed to catch them? there is simply no way.and yes, this happened before the killer buffs, but this doesnt mean this wouldnt happen anymore. as i have said in my 1st comment, the killer buffs put killers in the place they deserve in low ranks. yet in high ranks killers are far from being at said power role (but ive talked abou this issue in my first comment, just reread that if you want to know more). and yes, this game is in the best state it has ever been in, thats also true, but this does not mean that it is a good state, its just the best we've seen so far.
let me give you an example: if someone has cancer and the doctor says "you only have 1 more week to live!", than he is in a very bad state. the next day, the doctor cotacts him and tells him "Congratulations! We have been able to stop the cancer from spreading, so you have a whole year to live now!". in that case, the person would be in the best state he has been so far, yet he is far away from a good state.and for my argument that i "discarded myself"...
yes, i got to rank 1 with freddy. however, this does not proof my point wrong, cuz, as ive said in my 1st argument (and im starting to get the feeling you didnt even read that one), these untouchable survivors are rare right now. and i have lost a lot of times as freddy on this journey, believe me when i say this. however, i still managed to win like every 2nd to 3rd game with a pip and keep the lost games to a savepip, so i wouldnt be stuck on a specific rank, allowing me to get to rank 1.
however, when these survivors get more common, killers like freddy will heavily suffer from these and any killer, who is not nurse, will be unplayable, so you will see the number of nurse mains heavily increasing.also, do you want to know, why nurse is top tier / OP tier / S++ tier / nurse tier / whatever you want to call it?
its because she is the only killer in this whole game, who can fight loops. nurse is un loopable. she is the only killer standing a chance against said god tier survivors and she will massacre everyone who is not said god tier as a survivor, resulting in the common thought of her being OP.EDIT: its kinda hard to repond to you, as many of the things you say are correct, but you missunderstood them / use them in the wrong context...
Survivors make mistakes in EVERY game. You speak like we live in a fairy land where survivors NEVER make mistakes. Even the depip goons made mistakes and several killers were able to take advantage of that..because they are good killers. I am also a very experienced killer across all platforms. Next
The game is continually evolving and for the better. The game had never been better for killers right now, evidence supports this.
Killers do just fine if they want to. Again, evidence. Next
"Untouchable survivors"? I'm starting to think you are just bad at the game and/or want more help/easier kills. You got to rank 1 as Freddy. What's your problem? Moreover, survivors won't be getting more and more powerful so long as killers learn more.
You keep dancing round in circles here and talking nonsense.
ALL killers are viable at all ranks. You just have to get better. If you want to win all the time, use Nurse.
Looping and chasing is the game. People hate Nurse because she breaks the game. A good nurse or spirit has no counter play. If you don't like the chase or being looped, stop playing. Or learn how to cut loops properly, mind game and run tiles correctly etc etc.. which goes back to the original topic.
"Survivors make mistakes in EVERY game. You speak like we live in a fairy land where survivors NEVER make mistakes. Even the depip goons made mistakes and several killers were able to take advantage of that..because they are good killers." i have already answered this in all of my previous comments. i would recommend you to read them, as you will hear this sentence pretty often in this text.
"I am also a very experienced killer across all platforms. Next" depending on your answers, i dont really believe you. next.
"The game is continually evolving and for the better. The game had never been better for killers right now, evidence supports this." i have already answered that.
"Killers do just fine if they want to. Again, evidence. Next" false. there is only so much a killer can do. as ive said in previous comments the killer can only react to the survivors mistakes. when a killer plays perfectly, he still relies on the survivors missplays. this is a fact. which also means, that a survivor who plays perfectly will be untouchable for the killer. next.
""Untouchable survivors"? I'm starting to think you are just bad at the game and/or want more help/easier kills. You got to rank 1 as Freddy. What's your problem?" so you call me bad in the same sentence you mention me getting to rank 1 as freddy... okay then. and my problem is, that survivors can become literally untouchable for the killer, which i have, again, already stated in previous comments.
"Moreover, survivors won't be getting more and more powerful so long as killers learn more." the survivors skill cap is fairly low, yet its enough for completely avoiding any killer. as soon as a survivor has reached the maximum of his skillcap, there is no way for any killer (unless nurse) to catch them, no matter their skill. and why that is so, you can find out for yourself by reading my previous comments.
"ALL killers are viable at all ranks. " no. moving on.
"You just have to get better." i wont comment on that one, as ive already done that in this post.
"If you want to win all the time, use Nurse." yes, because she is the only killer who actually relies on skill to catch a survivor. change my mind. (and read my previous posts where i explained why ^^)
"Looping and chasing is the game." nope. this games base mechanics are build around a hide and seek game, not a game of tag. the only reason for the chase being in the game is to give survivors the ability to break the LoS with the killer and hide again. but at some point people discovered that it is way more effective to simply loop the killer with the tools which were supposed to break yout LoS and win that way, so the looping meta was born, which, btw, completely broke the game, so the devs had to nerf nerf nerf this meta. its still the stronger meta though.
"People hate Nurse because she breaks the game." actually, she does not. just look at her base kit: strength = chasing, weakness = tracking / finding. the only reason of why this doesn not work atm is because nurses have a lot of tracking perks available, helping them out to counter this big weakness. a vanilla nurse will still be easily defeated by stealth play. i honestly dont think you are anyway near as experienced in this game as you try to tell me...
"A good nurse or spirit has no counter play." step 1: open google. step 2: search "mindgames". step 3: success. there you go. both of these killers are mindgameable, especially spirit. and yes, a god like nurse has no counter play, due to her skill + perk choices, but these players are just as rare as the untouchable survivors we are talking about, so yeah. ill just go ahead and use your own argument here c:
"If you don't like the chase or being looped, stop playing." oh i enjoy the chase. i also dont have a problem with loops, as long as the survivors skill level is inferiour to mine, allowing me to succesfully mindgame them. however, the survivors we are talking about here are people, who are very, veery experienced players. these guys wont fall for mindgames more than once and still manage to stall the game out as long as needed in order to get the gates open and escape. ive just recently had a doc game where this happened to me. in the whole round ive got 2 hooks and broke 3 pallets before they all escaped. in 7 minutes. with ruin.
"Or learn how to cut loops properly, mind game and run tiles correctly etc etc.. which goes back to the original topic." id like to ask you how you imagine me getting to rank 1 as a freddy, using no ruin, no noed, not even add ons or offerings without these starts?
and i saved the best for the last!
"You keep dancing round in circles here and talking nonsense." this one made me laugh. hinestly, look at your comments and then at mine. the one dancing around in a circle is you, not me xD you are continuously bringing up arguments ive already talked about and answered in previous comments, yet you still think they are effective in any way.
honestly, i am going to end this debate here, unless you come up with an original argument we've not talked about so far.
see you in the fogYour walls of text bore me and so do you.
How about you keep your answers more concise?
You're wrong, misinformed and this is not a debate.
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Deranked, still got a kill, but I legit just camped a dude on hook that I slugged in a 2 pallet broken chase into a T wall. My complaint is that there really is no counterplay to this.How can I achieve my objective making no mistakes anywhere near the time survivors achieve theirs with no mistakes?
I'm still gonna keep playing killer and improve, but it's weird when I get matched up against dcing potatoes that can barely do a gen then with swf squads that end the game in less than 5 minutes it makes the game wildly inconsistent and unfun at both ends neither feeling appropriately challenging.
ive said this before and i will say this again:
killers are not in the power role, as they should be (excluding nurse). killers are too weak and they will lose against a survivor with equal skill level, as long as both play their skill level accordingly.
there is one iron rule: if both, killer and survivor play perfectly, the killer will lose.
change my mind.You are correct, but the situation you speak of only exists in 1% of games. This is something you need to accept also.
i wouldnt say its 1%, but i have to agree that they are rather rare.
however, it just bucks me, that a survivor can become literally untouchable when he is skilled enough. these guys are so frustrating to play against, its ridiculous.and yes, this may be rare now, but as the time goes on people will improve and more survivors will hit this skill sealing over time, which could lead to the majority of the matches being against these guys. and THAT is what im afraid of.
an i will be honest with you: this game is a mess. while killers in low ranks are incredibly strong, almost OP, they are a joke in highranks (excluding nurse, as its literally the other way around with her xD). and i personally dont see a way to buff killers to a level, where they are strong in high ranks without completely breaking the low ranks and scaring newer players away from the game.
and this is sad, as this probaply means, that killers will never get the place they deserve in high ranks.If it's rare, then why get "bucked" over something so inconsequential? It's 1% dude, the quicker you accept that the better. 90% of the playerbase is also boosted or doesn't care/casual, 5% good, 5% great (obvious rough numbers but you get the idea). But in every game, survivors make mistakes and the killer can take advantage of them and even force them if you learn how to.
Many people use all killers at high ranks and do fine, so speak for yourself in that regard.
you completely missed the point of my argument there.
again: it might be rare now, but it will get more common in the future.
a single survivor should not even have the ability to win in a 1v1 against the killer, yet they do.
and only because not many people know how to use this, they will improve and they will reach this point. take me as an example: im playing survivor very rarely, yet i still manage to get to rank 1 and beat the majority of killers in the match.PS: ive gotten to rank 1 as freddy, so your "some ppl play all killers" argument doesnt rly work on me...
No dude, it's always been rare. And a single survivor can't win 1v1, don't be ridiculous. If a killer wants you dead you are going to die, the rest of the game be damned.
What you're talking about happened and now killers have been buffed and survivors nerfed. Sure, there are things on both sides that are annoying or whatever, but it's created the best state the game has ever been in and things will only continue to get better. It's a strange kind of imbalance that works right now.
As for you getting rank 1 as Freddy, thanks for proving my point and discarding yours I guess?
okay...
yes, it is rare.
no, it has not always been rare, just check the old infinites as an example.
yes, a survivor can win a 1v1 against a killer, just by looping him until the exit gates have been opened. if you think the killer has the upper hand in a chase, you dont seem to be an expreienced killer (excluding nurse (again) from this argument), as killers are only reactive to the mistakes a survivor makes. so if a survivor makes no mistakes, how is the killer supposed to catch them? there is simply no way.and yes, this happened before the killer buffs, but this doesnt mean this wouldnt happen anymore. as i have said in my 1st comment, the killer buffs put killers in the place they deserve in low ranks. yet in high ranks killers are far from being at said power role (but ive talked abou this issue in my first comment, just reread that if you want to know more). and yes, this game is in the best state it has ever been in, thats also true, but this does not mean that it is a good state, its just the best we've seen so far.
let me give you an example: if someone has cancer and the doctor says "you only have 1 more week to live!", than he is in a very bad state. the next day, the doctor cotacts him and tells him "Congratulations! We have been able to stop the cancer from spreading, so you have a whole year to live now!". in that case, the person would be in the best state he has been so far, yet he is far away from a good state.and for my argument that i "discarded myself"...
yes, i got to rank 1 with freddy. however, this does not proof my point wrong, cuz, as ive said in my 1st argument (and im starting to get the feeling you didnt even read that one), these untouchable survivors are rare right now. and i have lost a lot of times as freddy on this journey, believe me when i say this. however, i still managed to win like every 2nd to 3rd game with a pip and keep the lost games to a savepip, so i wouldnt be stuck on a specific rank, allowing me to get to rank 1.
however, when these survivors get more common, killers like freddy will heavily suffer from these and any killer, who is not nurse, will be unplayable, so you will see the number of nurse mains heavily increasing.also, do you want to know, why nurse is top tier / OP tier / S++ tier / nurse tier / whatever you want to call it?
its because she is the only killer in this whole game, who can fight loops. nurse is un loopable. she is the only killer standing a chance against said god tier survivors and she will massacre everyone who is not said god tier as a survivor, resulting in the common thought of her being OP.EDIT: its kinda hard to repond to you, as many of the things you say are correct, but you missunderstood them / use them in the wrong context...
Survivors make mistakes in EVERY game. You speak like we live in a fairy land where survivors NEVER make mistakes. Even the depip goons made mistakes and several killers were able to take advantage of that..because they are good killers. I am also a very experienced killer across all platforms. Next
The game is continually evolving and for the better. The game had never been better for killers right now, evidence supports this.
Killers do just fine if they want to. Again, evidence. Next
"Untouchable survivors"? I'm starting to think you are just bad at the game and/or want more help/easier kills. You got to rank 1 as Freddy. What's your problem? Moreover, survivors won't be getting more and more powerful so long as killers learn more.
You keep dancing round in circles here and talking nonsense.
ALL killers are viable at all ranks. You just have to get better. If you want to win all the time, use Nurse.
Looping and chasing is the game. People hate Nurse because she breaks the game. A good nurse or spirit has no counter play. If you don't like the chase or being looped, stop playing. Or learn how to cut loops properly, mind game and run tiles correctly etc etc.. which goes back to the original topic.
"Survivors make mistakes in EVERY game. You speak like we live in a fairy land where survivors NEVER make mistakes. Even the depip goons made mistakes and several killers were able to take advantage of that..because they are good killers." i have already answered this in all of my previous comments. i would recommend you to read them, as you will hear this sentence pretty often in this text.
"I am also a very experienced killer across all platforms. Next" depending on your answers, i dont really believe you. next.
"The game is continually evolving and for the better. The game had never been better for killers right now, evidence supports this." i have already answered that.
"Killers do just fine if they want to. Again, evidence. Next" false. there is only so much a killer can do. as ive said in previous comments the killer can only react to the survivors mistakes. when a killer plays perfectly, he still relies on the survivors missplays. this is a fact. which also means, that a survivor who plays perfectly will be untouchable for the killer. next.
""Untouchable survivors"? I'm starting to think you are just bad at the game and/or want more help/easier kills. You got to rank 1 as Freddy. What's your problem?" so you call me bad in the same sentence you mention me getting to rank 1 as freddy... okay then. and my problem is, that survivors can become literally untouchable for the killer, which i have, again, already stated in previous comments.
"Moreover, survivors won't be getting more and more powerful so long as killers learn more." the survivors skill cap is fairly low, yet its enough for completely avoiding any killer. as soon as a survivor has reached the maximum of his skillcap, there is no way for any killer (unless nurse) to catch them, no matter their skill. and why that is so, you can find out for yourself by reading my previous comments.
"ALL killers are viable at all ranks. " no. moving on.
"You just have to get better." i wont comment on that one, as ive already done that in this post.
"If you want to win all the time, use Nurse." yes, because she is the only killer who actually relies on skill to catch a survivor. change my mind. (and read my previous posts where i explained why ^^)
"Looping and chasing is the game." nope. this games base mechanics are build around a hide and seek game, not a game of tag. the only reason for the chase being in the game is to give survivors the ability to break the LoS with the killer and hide again. but at some point people discovered that it is way more effective to simply loop the killer with the tools which were supposed to break yout LoS and win that way, so the looping meta was born, which, btw, completely broke the game, so the devs had to nerf nerf nerf this meta. its still the stronger meta though.
"People hate Nurse because she breaks the game." actually, she does not. just look at her base kit: strength = chasing, weakness = tracking / finding. the only reason of why this doesn not work atm is because nurses have a lot of tracking perks available, helping them out to counter this big weakness. a vanilla nurse will still be easily defeated by stealth play. i honestly dont think you are anyway near as experienced in this game as you try to tell me...
"A good nurse or spirit has no counter play." step 1: open google. step 2: search "mindgames". step 3: success. there you go. both of these killers are mindgameable, especially spirit. and yes, a god like nurse has no counter play, due to her skill + perk choices, but these players are just as rare as the untouchable survivors we are talking about, so yeah. ill just go ahead and use your own argument here c:
"If you don't like the chase or being looped, stop playing." oh i enjoy the chase. i also dont have a problem with loops, as long as the survivors skill level is inferiour to mine, allowing me to succesfully mindgame them. however, the survivors we are talking about here are people, who are very, veery experienced players. these guys wont fall for mindgames more than once and still manage to stall the game out as long as needed in order to get the gates open and escape. ive just recently had a doc game where this happened to me. in the whole round ive got 2 hooks and broke 3 pallets before they all escaped. in 7 minutes. with ruin.
"Or learn how to cut loops properly, mind game and run tiles correctly etc etc.. which goes back to the original topic." id like to ask you how you imagine me getting to rank 1 as a freddy, using no ruin, no noed, not even add ons or offerings without these starts?
and i saved the best for the last!
"You keep dancing round in circles here and talking nonsense." this one made me laugh. hinestly, look at your comments and then at mine. the one dancing around in a circle is you, not me xD you are continuously bringing up arguments ive already talked about and answered in previous comments, yet you still think they are effective in any way.
honestly, i am going to end this debate here, unless you come up with an original argument we've not talked about so far.
see you in the fogYour walls of text bore me and so do you.
How about you keep your answers more concise?
You're wrong, misinformed and this is not a debate.
please tell me you are a troll xD
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please tell me you are a troll xD
No, are you?
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this is sad then.
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Dude, your name is Mister xD.
Anyway, just watch this video. I don't have time to explain everything to you. You are continuously acting like every game, there are 4 survivors not making mistakes and you are unable to catch them, while also stating that you are rank 1 Freddy. So which is it? You're all over the place.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=6xe6Enj-FoU
This video is before the current state and now is even more prevalent. Tyde (I presume your lord and savior based on your nonsense) and Scott (a rationalist) have a back and forth in the comments if you're interested in that too. But... watch, listen and read it all.
See ya
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I still enjoy the game and that's really what this is about. For every 1 bad match I get, I usually get 15 successful matches where I play reasonably fair and feel like I have some decent skill. Survivors do have too many strengths but their role isn't as satisfying as killer that's why they have to resort to being toxic or tryhards.
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You cant argue with him, just accept it^^
Even the argument "not everyone plays like that" and then trying to justify balance this way is laughable, but I guess you need to look at that from a neutral perspective to understand that3
