Why can't we see mmr in endscreen?
I think seeing each players mmr in the endscreen would be a good thing.
In my mind hiding the MMR is just a way to hide flaws in the matchmaking and the overall balance. When I can see what lvl my opponents are and what lvl I am on it would reduce frustration after a game that just felt awful and would shift it to the real problem the matchmaking.
Just imagine you just got stompt and you can clearly see the other side is diamond rank while you are silver. Then it's not a man I am really bad case but a aww man the matchmaking sucks how should I win this.
And for the people that for example main trapper and they play and climb till silver and then after a time they see with only playing trapper they hit a wall and can't climb further but then they learn blight and boom they start climbing again. This way you could clearly see wich killer would need buffs.
Over all seeing your mmr would give you feedback how you perform and it gives the community real concrete evidence on what needs to be buffed or nerfed and then we could communicate with the devs about it and can say see there is the evidence pls do something.
What do you guys think? Do you think seeing your mmr can bring also bad things?
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They are afraid of scaring people who get mad at a number going minus
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Yeah that's a wide spread problem in the whole gaming community
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The whole endscreen could be more informative. Like most of the data could be shown on a single screen instead on 4. I´d love to see if my teammates piped or not, what their emblem rating was, how their mmr was affected, etc.
But i´m afraid the devs won´t implement this information, since it could lead to a more toxic endgame chat.
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Generally speaking, a game will show you your MMR only if it wants to incentivise climbing MMR. Think of your classic ranked mode- in the games that have those, you don't tend to see your Quick Play MMR because there isn't much of a point, you're not being incentivised to make that number go higher.
It's the same for Dead By Daylight. There's no reason to show MMR to people, and if you did people might think that they're "supposed" to be trying to climb it. Feedback for how you played is meant to come from the emblem system, but it's not particularly good at that nor is it given all that much weight, I'd like to see it leaned into a little more.
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I don't care much about others mmr score, if they want to keep ot hidden than they can.
I just don't understand why your own score needs to remain hidden.
I know they said to prevent elitism, but that's already in the game created by the ranks.
But in all honesty, i rather see SBMM being removed as a whole.
The 5 to 7 minutes games that SBMM created have made me stop playing this game entirely.
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“Elitism” LoL. Yes, that was the reason actually given. No it’s not necessary to be hidden, no competitive game actually does that. We’re trying to bubble wrap the internet a little too hard.
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LMAO
Generally speaking, a game will show you your MMR only if it wants to incentivise climbing MMR. There's no reason to show MMR to peopleI disagree, for instance on Hunt: Showdown I never felt I should increase my mmr. The matchmaking on this game is decent, not perfect, and it shows the mmr of teams (there are some modifier on how many people are in a squad, if they were premades or randoms) and also each players' mmr. This way, when you get stomped by a squad, you can at least understand what kind of players you faced.
I believe that nothing can be flawless, and not showing the mmr feels like they actually want to hide it from us.
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It's not really about how you feel, it's about what the MMR is there to do. I haven't played Hunt: Showdown, but by the sounds of it they have a competitive ladder- otherwise, what's the point of showing the MMR? The default expectation is that you don't see how specifically a matchmaking system works, because... you don't need to see that, unless there's the option of 'climbing the ranks' to prove your skill.
My point still stands even if there's one exception, though. Games with a ranked mode don't tend to show you Quick Play MMR because that isn't what that MMR number is there to do, and it's the same for DBD.
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They don’t want :
- players to have a competitive mindset (but let’s be honest, not showing the MMR doesn’t prevent that at at all).
- to show the flaws of the matchmaking (it would be obvious how wrong it is if we could see someone high MMR against someone low MMR)
- to show the lack of balance between killers
- that long term players realize they are still bad at this game after all this time.
- to increase the hacking/cheating epidemic
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The more information we, the more evidence that shows how broken their system is. If they keep us in the dark they can deny any of our complaints. The politicians golden rule. "If they can't prove it. Deny. Deny. Deny."
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It's definitely to hide the fact that the MMR system just doesn't work. Imagine the forum rage if for instance you're a 1500 rated killer & you were to face multiple SWF all 1900 rated for like 3-4 games in a row or you're a solo survivor with an average team rating of like 1300-1400 & you face multiple killers at 1700+ rating. The forum would be littered even more than it is now with threads about how bad the MMR system is with screenshots to back it up.
The simple fact is that it has to be that way or high MMR survivor teams AKA SWF would need to wait a very long time in queue to be matched to a suitable killer. Mid to low MMR would most likely be fine though.
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I think the same as both of you. We need to see our mmr so bhvr has no other option as to stop fooling us. We sit in the dark and when we say x they just say nah our system shows y it's all OK. Sure when you see your mmr you maybe feel the urge to improve that number but is that something bad? I don't think so. Every game has more casual players and more competitive players and for the competitive ones it would be a nice way to show progress. For your average casual player nothing would change except they will know when they got screwed by matchmaking or balancing.
The whole deal that matchmaking gets screwed to lessen the q times for the high ranks is a flawed system. Sure to a degree you need it and a good mix between mmr scores is a good thing for a round but not to the degree that some one with 200hrs can face a 4k hrs swf that's ridiculous. All this does is again hide the flaws of balancing because these guys had the same q times as the average player if killer and solo q player would be screwed by balancing
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I get that line of thinking, and I understand why the devs feel that way, but the reality is this: there's a difference between what MMR was designed to do in DbD and what it is doing/going to do in DbD.
Players are going to treat it a certain way regardless of how the devs want it to be treated. They aren't making the game for themselves. The players are playing the game how they want to play it.
I want customers to drive cars a certain way so I don't have to keep repeatedly fixing preventable issues. But they aren't going to, and I can't just pout until I drive away all my business.
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Oh, for sure. I'm not necessarily against the idea of showing MMR, I just think it's worth reminding everyone that it being hidden isn't weird or unusual, it's absolutely expected and normal for the kind of system that it is.
Also, y'know, having it be shown would have undeniable downsides. The conversation can't be had honestly without those things on the table, y'know?
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Sure it definitely will also have down sides and to be honest I don't play to many online games for me it just felt odd to have nothing to see if how good I am and how good the matchmaking is. Both ways has it positive and negative sides that's for sure
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You do have something to show how well you're performing; the emblem and grades systems. It's not very good at that job, but it is there and it is trying to do that.
Also, the players don't need any feedback on how good the matchmaking is.
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Here is the thing they don't want to show us out MMR or say how it REALLY is calculated because then we will have people purposely smurfing worse than they are now. We already have a system that can easily be manipulated by us the players because of the Kills/Escapes = Skill. But that's obviously not the entirety of what's calculated because I have lost multiple games in a row when I ASSUMED I was in the high mid tier of MMR just by the skill set of the other players. After about 10 straight deaths, I still had rough matches. So there has to be other factors that calculate the score and I personally don't want anyone to Smurf thier way back to Low MMR to just beat on survivors or killers, that would force players to leave more.
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Yep grade system is really not doing so well in that regard.
Okey I think on that point we need to agree to disagree wich is fair. In my mind the players should see if the matchmaking works good or not. Not only a vague I think it feels good thing. Because when I can see the game was lost from the moment it startet because the difrence in skill is so high it still sucks but I think it's better for your health as a gamer
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That's definitely a valid concern but I people will smurf with or with out visible mmr because I don't think it can be that hard to find out how to exactly lower your mmr if you want to
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Because every community would weaponize that Information, that simple. You can see it with every game where they have a rank system like "gold, silver, bronze [...]". "Wooooow you are only silver, wow no wonder we lost[...]"
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For sure this will happen but are we gonna ignore the good points because there are bad points? It isn't that simple.
Also people online are mean even if there isn't a reason for it. All these people that feel the need to rage in chat should get a day of to cool there nervs
Edit.: also this kinda proves my point if people complain they lose because there is a player in there team that is to bad matchmaking didn't work
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That's why they don't want to reveal MMR or how it is fully calculated. Because we have smurfers now as it is but imagine how worse it could be if they knew how to manipulate it further.
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It’s not shown because it would expose how bad the SBMM system is
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Two main reasons that I can see. One being MMR's effectiveness when it comes to balanced match making is dubious at best. They most assuredly don't want to give any ammuniton for that argument.
The second being what actual good could come from it? People already claim to be high MMR to make their arguments seem more valid. Every disagreement in this game would come back to my MMR is higher therefore my view is correct. This community is full of toxic little shits. It's best not to give them more ammo.
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That's what I mean when we see oute mmr we have evidence to support us when we address the devs about matchmaking or balancing flaws.
Sure people would say stuff like i am diamond so I am right but let's be real that isn't an argument it's like saying I am right because my shirt is green.
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I agree it's not a real argument, but we all know it would be exactly what happened.
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