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Please don't do to Legion what you've done to Wraith

Tazzy
Tazzy Member Posts: 4

I see the past repeating itself. Legion is fine how it is, how about instead of complaing on forums about how unfair legion is (he's not), you would learn how to counter him. This is more of an YOU problem.

Otzdarva did a nice job explaining how to, it only takes you 4:20 minutes (nice): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raChfQ1SA1o

In reality, survivor mains are not mad about him being unfair, they're mad because they can't bully him anymore. He's as fair as any M1 killers (i.e. Wraith, Michael, Clown, etc), which are the easiest to bully (not anymore for Legion).

I hate how this game is designed around bad players (especially bad survivors) so instead of them being forced to learn how to counter different killers, they all come and complain on forum about how unbalanced they are (when they're not) and eventually they get the killers nerfed.

You want to counter Legion, it's easy: SPREAD around the map, he has no power if you do that, just M1. Take protection hits for your teammates, Force the killer to get out of frenzy.

I've seen the argument "it's boring to mend", like all you have to do is hold a button, JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER ACTION IN THIS GAME (i.e. repairing generators). You are not mad that you have to mend, you are mad that you can't gen rush anymore (holding the same button), which is an even bigger problem than Legions is.

In conclusion, for the developers: Please don't kill Legion like you did with Wraith, and Deathslinger... and Freddy... and Pig...; and for the survivors: Learn to play, learn to counter different killers, you're gonna be stomped at start, just like in any other game when you are a newbie (Shooters, Fifa, MMRs, Anything), but eventually you're gonna get better at the game. I even suggest you playing killer from time to time just to see how it feels from both POV's.

Comments

  • SeannyD115
    SeannyD115 Member Posts: 583

    Legions counter play hasn't changed at all. How you countered prebuffed legion is the same as buffed Legion.

    People are just seeing more legions because of the changes to them. Once everyone tries out the new changes I'm sure everything will go back to normal or legion will get nerfed.

  • DrDeepwound
    DrDeepwound Member Posts: 2,557

    It is not countering Legion that they want, they want no more mending. But mend they shall

  • AlkaloidssOP
    AlkaloidssOP Member Posts: 254

    Honestly most of the time I manage to get an insta down or pressure them really hard is when survivors literally ignore my Legion in Frenzy. They comfortably sit at gens or just stand in place and let me hit them. Now there are consequences to that. So yea they are literally offended they have to care about Legion's power now, even if a little bit.

  • dugman
    dugman Member Posts: 9,713
    edited May 2022

    Wraith wasn't nerfed due to survivor complaints, in fact I don't remember there being any common calls to nerf Wraith when they reduced his lunge distance. They obviously had been looking at some internal data on Wraith and found something they didn't like in the numbers and felt that change was warranted, it's wasn't done by popular survivor demand though.

    Deathslinger did have a lot of people calling for him to remove his instant shots, which I'm sure is the reason why the devs took a look at him. But they didn't make the change just because there were people asking for it, they obviously didn't like what they saw on review so went ahead with that change. If the devs acted solely on common requests they'd have nerfed NOED or Dead Hard years ago for example. But as far as I know there aren't any stats indicating NOED is actually overpowered, which is probably why it hasn't been touched, and they only recently commented they are probably going to be adjusting Dead Hard because they don't like its internal stats since hit validation went into effect last year. In other words player complaints might raise a red flag for the devs to look into something, but ultimately they don't make changes based solely on complaints. (Unless maybe it's something cosmetic, for instance, like they mentioned probably changing Ghost Face's chase music.)

  • Regulus47
    Regulus47 Member Posts: 450

    You're remembering wrong, literally everyone wanted to nerf wraith at that time. And for good reason because he was stupidly strong and (is still) brain-dead easy to play, and his addons are busted. He's not that bad these days but he definitely doesn't need any buffs

  • dugman
    dugman Member Posts: 9,713

    I don't think I'm misremembering it. I did a search just now for example and can't find examples of people asking for Wraith's lunge to be reduced.

    Also I never said he needs buffs so I'm not sure why you even said that?

  • Laluzi
    Laluzi Member Posts: 6,225

    People weren't calling for his lunge to be nerfed, but they were complaining that he needed to be nerfed. I remember plenty of Wraith hate threads. The main complaint was prenerfed All-Seeing Blood (which got nerfed) and Coxcombed Clapper (which didn't), but the reason people were playing/getting wrecked by Wraith was because he had an antilooping tool before his lunge got nerfed and now he plays like Wraith always did, just better at map traversal and countering hold-W.