Go ahead, make BT basekit.
As we all know in the last dev stream it was pretty much confirmed by the devs (Patrick) that BT could be made basekit. And i swear if that happens, dbd will have to come up with BOT killers, cuz nobody will play the role anymore. After the COH and MMR abominations whatever little killer mains you have left to entertain your survivors, will leave too. The game already has no horror element to it and you're gonna make it so survivors can unhook at the killers face everytime? When the gens fly too fast (despite gen defense perks) the killer just wants to secure a kill and you're gonna take that away from them too? A survivor being toxic all game can't be camped and will get away if BT is made basekit. You guys will punish camping by making BT basekit, how about punishing bad plays and rewarding killer mind games by removing dead hard for survivors? But again, go ahead and make BT basekit, see what happens, it'll be the last nail in the coffin for this game.
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I still don't understand why anyone would think BT Basekit is a good idea
If everyone has BT, all anyone who is going to tunnel will do is wait X seconds before hitting them and resuming their tunnel. To hijack a cartoon quote; if everyone has BT protection, no one has BT protection
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I really struggle to see how this could make things worse as a killer main, I mean sure the survivors could bring another 4 extremely strong perks and steam roll me even harder, but eventually my MMR will put me against babies again.
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Making BT and/or DS basekit would allow teams to stack more prove thyself, windows, spine chill, adrenaline etc. Game would be even more survivor sided than it already is
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This is a game, if you need to feel powerful is your problem, not the problem of other 4 people
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Exactly, giving a 5th perk to survivors who are already the power role, will be hilarious lol. I really want them to do it so i can see this game die sooner than it already is.
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It's a 4v1 game, obviously the "1" role should be powerful. It's a no brainer. But i bet survivors love being the power role in dbd.
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Funnily enough, BT is one of the only things that will trigger me into tunneling. Specifically BT bodyblocking. If an unhooked survivor with BT insists on keeping themselves between me and the unhooker, they've just bought themselves an express ticket out of the game (if I can do it without throwing).
And this is in large part due do how much it irritates me as a surv; when I risk my butt to unhook you and you just stick around the killer (and often end up going back down), it's really aggravating. Run, gtfoh, ffs.
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Really should only be allowed 1 2nd chance perk then work on something with the camping cause no one seems to like it happen to them.
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The thing is it's not about feeling powerful and op is not saying it's the Survivors fault. In this game the killers were supposed to be the power role and survivors the weaker role. But somehow the balance has shifted because of Metas, one-sided maps, nerfs to weaken Killers, CoH/Boom mechanic, etc has made Killers into the weaker role and Survivors into the power role.
Now I'm not saying that Survivors shouldn't have a chance because that wouldn't be fun for either side. But the fear is gone while playing as Survivors because I know I can loop the Killer for 2 maybe 3 gens before he downs me, and Killer feels like a chore just to keep what little pressure they can unless you want to play very toxic and sweaty (which many are just casual gamers and not sweat factories).
Making BT basekit would just give Survivors a free perk slot for another Meta Perk allowing them to have 5 perks. Then we have to ask "What about BT as Bills perk?". Will they change it or make the basekit BT weaker, or will they give Bill a whole new perk to replace BT. We don't know and it's a very slippery slope that could snowball out of control.
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And why do you want to see the game die?
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BT is already basekit. You already NEED to respect bt all of the time
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Tunnelling/camping is a massive problem in DBD. It is by far its biggest issue, and the dev history on it extremely poor. Camping/tunnelling is a problem so they needed to add add the swivel hook, and give survivors a one second immunity when hooked, but now that's not enough. They introduced multiple perks to discourage this, DS/BT, but also perks like off the record, and for the people. But none of this has worked.
Ultimately I get the feeling they have given up, and since they don't want to risk players quitting due to the frustration of being camped/tunnelled they have opted for a band aid fix of basekit BT. BT is a strong perk, but that's only because it is needed. In the event the game was played as intended (everybody gets 2 chances), the perk would be useless and get little value. Some people will point out that the devs have stated that camping is a recognised strategy, but that's only because it would be difficult to put in harsh restrictions in order to prevent this. The last time they tired to (adding a hook radius, where if the killer would be in the timer would stop), was abused by survivors. In their mind they thought, that ok technically camping is a strategy, but it is not fun, surely nobody will do it. Not realising that this strategy is by far the most effective way to play killer.
Its not entirely killer's fault though. Basing SBMM off of kills is an awful way to measure a killer's skill. Even worse is that this use to be the way they measured skill before, and they changed it due to killers doing exactly what they are doing now.
Ultimately I don't want basekit BT as there are situations where camping is needed. However it looks like this is the way DBD is doing to go because the devs have left this issue for too long, and can't come up with a proper solution. Killers who say they are quitting because they can't camp as effectively anymore, just understand you are part of the reason a to why this is needed.
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If a basekit BT makes you quit the game as killer you must be pretty bad. My advice would be to learn how to play killer properly.
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LOLed at killers compensated. You know who the devs are, right?
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Then why do survivors whine about tunnelling/camping? They will get steam rolled and then MMR will put them against baby killers again.
But that's not really how it happens, is it?
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Queue to you bawling about survivor nerfs in the next thread :^)
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If BT ever became base kit, I could see killers just slugging all game or just completely uninstalling. Killer gameplay is already horrendous, so adding base kit BT on top of that would be a very bad move.
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You have more faith than I. They released CoH and didn't foresee that causing any of the problems. Perk basically ruined the game for most killers. Not one dev plays killer at a high level
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The game is doomed and has been for a few years now. They have proven time and again they dont know their own game and they dont care, either. BT basekit, I agree with because it would help solo queue, but it is by far not enough.
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the only way this could harm u is if u just like to hard tunnel on people, other than that it cant harm at all EXCEPT for egc time where bt can be the diff between getting out or not if the hook is nearby, other than that is just as dangerous as a ds on egc if the survivor is near to doors... they can tweak some things, we dont know exactly what they will do yet however i can assure u if most killers werent on a tunneling rampage this wouldnt have happened.
however how is this a problem? BT is already good enough to be one of the most picked perks in the game, and most decent killers play around BT all the time, is like playing around DS u have to respect it everytime, so for good killers nothing has changed still, and definitelly wont change their gameplay due it.
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Can we wait what they will actually do before we complain?
Thank you.
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Translation don't you dare make my tunneling harder.
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Thanks for your advice on how to play killer properly, survivor main.
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Translation, don't you dare stop them from giving us a free 5th perk.
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It's not that big of a deal.
If you are not a camper or tunneling killer this won't matter.
So yes, do it.
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Yup, 15 hour survivor mains lol. That Boil Over buff they did which gave 25% wiggle progress, proved it.
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How do you feel about basekit Ruin to help slowdown gens?
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Go and play different game then? Nobody told you play DbD
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Nobody told you to give your opinion here but you did anyways right? I did the same thing.
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Ruin is a bad perk so I wouldn't care.
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Are we gonna play with this way? Because this can go forever.
Nobody told you open this topic but you did? See? So i am stopping right here.
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I don't care in the slightest if BT is basekit. The only reason BT matters is killers tunnel if they didn't the perk would do nothing. Don't tunnel and BT won't effect your day.
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And who started this by their meaningless comment anyways?
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What was wrong with my comment? If you are not happy in DbD why you are keep playing? Leave game if you are not happy, simple. Like i did, i was not happy. I am playing different games now.
And nobody said BT will be base
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Mikaela this is a forum of Discussions and different topics that you know, Devilish was likely posting this to get that message out there so people of BHVR can change DBD and listen to the community, Your message was "Go and play different game then? Nobody told you play DbD" You were being provocative, people who play games who aren't happy can make a statement like this and improve their experience.
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BT to basekit is fine. Only compensation for killers is make BT survivors lose collision to allow the killer to avoid them.
I agree with the poster on the first page. Camping and tunneling is an issue in this game. A killer should be encouraged to chase survivors through the game mechanics. The current version often encourages lack of or no action.
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Oh, that one ☺️. How many unhooked survivors have run at me, blocking, waiting for their hit, only to see me patiently wait a few seconds and down them. Usually I take the DS and show them the error of their ways.
They usually don't enjoy it one bit though.
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Ruin lasts 25 seconds.
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No i meant making Ruin basekit without it being a hex (but i get your point). Btw the campers and tunnelers will go down in numbers if that happens, cuz the killer will have more time to go for chases. Cuz right now if the killer spends more than a minute in a chase, there goes 1 gen, or even 2.
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Maybe, maybe not : I'm not sure how helpful it would be. Usually survivors are getting glued on the gens so as long as they are not disturbed, ruin will have no effect. It may push the "gens before friends" tactic even more.
Hex search time aside (which doesn't happen at high MMR IMHO), does ruin helps?
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Honestly, I wouldn't mind... as long as they nerfed Dead Hard to the ground or reworked it completely. I don't think that will ever happen, tho.
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i know something better than bot killers... insidious bubba basement defender... this is what they want/ask after all... introducing bt was a bad move in the 1st place (and don't come here to say that's needed aganist campers cause for them kindred it's more than enough, without mentioning that i didn't see once bt being used for his original purpose since IN ALL my matches, both as killer and survivor when i unhook someone, people use BT offensively, bodyblocking and taking the hit reserved to the unhooker on purpose)
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"Might be compensated"
This sweet, naive optimism. 😂
I hope you don't forget that neither side has ever really been compensated for a buff to the respective other side. (Without having to first start a storm of outrage in all media)
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There has never once been "killer compensation" for survivor buffs. At best they revert blatantly broken things and otherwise just have a vague hand-wavy "we will buff killers later after we check the data".
See
- - enduring nerf
- - instant heals
- - instant bnp
- - pallet vacccum
- - Circle of healing
- - Mettle of man
- - Wake up bug vs legion infinite mend bug response from BHVR
- - God Loops
- - Infinites/pseudo-infinites
- - Instant drop if stunned/blinded at any point in killer pickup animation
- - disabled bloodlust test
On the killer side we have
- - old ruin
- - Instant kill Moris
- - old undying
Feel free to correct me/point out a time killers have been "compensated" for mass survivor buffs.
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Seems a lot do that these days, what with the game losing players on steam every month and now being 10k players lower than it was at this time a year ago
I highly doubt things like this will help with those plummeting numbers.
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Bad idea.
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I'm okay with making BT basekit. Just make corrupt intervention basekit, too.
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If not a basekit BT. There needs to be some kind of built-in anti-tunnel mechanic. Or some kind of punishment for camping or tunneling killers. I was thinking that if a killer is camping, hook regression slows down (or maybe even pauses, like a built-in Camaraderie, but for the killer instead of the survivor. Or maybe gen speeds slightly increase. SOMETHING to punish the killer.
”You want to sit here and camp this person to death? Bet.”
I understand that camping / tunneling can be a viable strategy. But I feel like the killers who do that consistently don't really understand how boring it feels from the survivor perspective. Especially if you're incredibly unlucky and the killer just straight up has their sights on you. You basically CAN'T play the game. There's nothing the survivors can do that can actually stop the killer from being able to play the game...they don't have that power. Can the survs loop tf out of the killer? Sure. But if a killer wants to, they can completely waste a survivor's time. So then the survivor has to think. "Well, do I just kms on hook and move on? Or try to give my team a chance to just get out?" In solo queue...most people just move on. It's so painful. I shouldn't have to run DS and pray my solo team has BT just to have the chance to play the game I waited 15 minutes in queue for...
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I have absolutely no problem with basekit BT.
I only have a problem with the fifth perk slot.
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They also seem to be the first one to whine at me about how I'm being a toxic tunneling jerk 😂
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