What's your take on this? The gripe difference between Killer and Survivor.
Survivors tend to complain about how other people play the game such as:
Killers face camping, proxy camping, tunneling, and otherwise single targeting a survivor.
Their teammates leaving them to die, not doing gens, accidental sandbags, and generally being bad.
Killers tend to complain about game balance such as:
Map design, overused survivor perks (Dead hard, BT, Iron Will), boons, gen completion time etc.
Why do you think that survivors tend to complain primarily about other people's behavior and killers tend to complain about game balance?
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Because survivors are more reliant on other peoples behaviour, as part of a team and being the non-power role against killers. Thus when they get angry, other people make for easy targets.
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First of all, Killers also complain about peoples behavior, you see Killers complain about teabagging on quite a regular basis. Sometimes it feels like that the Survivors did not just teabag but also murdered their pet or something like that when you see how strong the reaction is.
However, a thing why Survivors complain more about behavior is because it is more impactful to them then to the Killer. Like, you can teabag or flashlight-click a Killer and they can still play the match as normal. They can get BPs, Hooks, Kills, win the game. But if a Killer does anything you mentioned, at least one Survivor will have a pretty bad game without any real chance to escape and if they are just tunneled and camped, they will also not have many points.
So while Survivor toxicity might be more common (I mean, there are 4 times as many Survivors...), Killer toxicity can be way more impactful since it can influence the actual outcome for the Survivor(s). As Killer I can get teabagged the whole game, but I can still end with a 4K and 60k BPs (30k for the match + BBQ). As Survivor, I get tunneled out of the game and can buy 2 Items in the Bloodweb afterwards.
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Survivors tend to complain more about the way other people play because there isn't much to complain about as a Survivor.
The Survivor role is balanced and the reason most Survivor teams lose is because they went against a Killer that was better than them or they made major mistakes.
There 100% are unbalanced aspects about the Killer role, Nurse and Blight Add-Ons for example, some of them are way too good, but there just aren't as many as on the Survivor side, like Dead Hard or Iron Will, the huge advantage even 4 good SoloQ Survivors have over the majority of Killers, bad Map design etc.
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Probably because there isn't much that's balanced against the survivor role, so all that's left is complaining about people behavior (or, for a minority, complaining about the few balanced things that forces them to actually learn something)
I'm curious to see what changes will happen when bots will fill the missing killers slots.
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Survivors rightly and wrongly have the outcomes of their games changed by others actions. Unhooking when killer is near by, blowing gens, not healing, not repairing etc etc, many variables.
Where as generally as a killer a win or a loss is generally down to your choices, when to drop chases, who to tunnel, who to camp, what gens to protect.
Yes the survivors actions can make the above harder to do but you still make the choices. A surv can't choose when to be unhooked, a surv can't choose who should be doing a gen well you're being chased, and again generally most people find self criticism hard, so it's easier to blame others, survs or killers.
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Killers don't have anyone to really blame and so the balance is the obvious culprit.
The survivors need the others to help. So when those survivors aren't much help, them escaping is a less if a possibility
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"Killers face camping, proxy camping, tunneling, and otherwise single targeting a survivor."
They are balance-related topics. If those weren't that efficient survivors would've complain a lot less
"Their teammates leaving them to die, not doing gens, accidental sandbags, and generally being bad."
Like in any team based game people complain about their teammates
"Killers tend to complain about game balance such as:"
Not really. Killers complain a lot about flashlight clicking, t-bagging, post-game chat, dcs, suicides on hooks
so as you can see you post is simply not true and heavily affected by your bias and agenda
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