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Camping and tunneling, and why people do it [semi-real reason]
Before we start...
Sure, let's get the potato killer who got destroyed or a mediocre killer destroyed by really good survivors too many times, put aside..
With that out of the way.
There are other reasons why people could do it,
well, it used to feel like an acomplishment just to kill someone.
But now? Ranks (by ranks meaning the hidden MMR) are being adjusted based on if you killed/survived/died/didn't kill.
Killers see, that:
- not only does it cripple the remaining survivors because they've lost a teammate
- the killer also gets +1 kill so in Matchmaker's eyes he did a good job
And, not only that, survivors, survivors that get camped and tunneled,
hmmmmm what would they possibly do in a situation where dying literally means losing MMR,
maybe run the strongest perks and DS?
perhaps?
I hope you get the idea...
Comments
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Okay?
There's nothing wrong with people playing seriously or bringing the strongest builds.
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you call camping/tunneling playing seriously?
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Yes.
Killing Survivors is my objective, and I like doing my objective. The Survivor tears I sometimes get are funny aswell.
Win-win, it's fun, and I'm doing my objective
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??? They are strategies acknowledged by the devs who have balanced this game around the usage of those strategies.
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Again, don’t play with this kind of people. Let them do 4k in a minute and go for another match
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So you enjoy stomping potatos on the field?
Bruh, whatever, not the point of my post anyway..
what do you mean by that
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What he means is that he has consistently advocated not playing this game seriously, and instead suiciding or throwing to get out of the current match if you don't like the killer you're up against.
Or the killers addons.
Or the killers perks.
Or the strategies the killer uses.
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if I see a killer camp or tunnel a surv I run towards him, point to the hook and let him kill me. You lose about 1 minute
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Killers camp and tunnel because the survivors make it work way too often.
Camping a hook is a surefire way to lose a lot of gens. Or at least it should be. Unfortunately too many players just drop everything to bomb the hook. Seen it plenty of times, someone gets hooked and everyone is there and made their presence known to the killer before they even had a chance to step away.
Or it goes like this: someone gets hooked, the killer decides to stick around and every survivor is hovering around and camping the hook aswell. I always want to pull my hair out if that happens to me. Like why? What do people think is going to happen? That the killer is gonna change their mind halfway through and just leaves so their camping pays off? It doesn‘t. What happens is that no gens get done, one survivor dies and the killer often finds the next person to chase and down. Rinse and repeat and boom, easy 4K with barely any gens done. Survivors made it a winning strategy.
Whether or not tunneling is efficient also highly depends on the survivors. If t person being tunneled is somewhat decent and has some decent tiles to work with they could potentially waste a lot of the killers time. Time 3 other players can use to slam gens. Unfortunately they often don‘t.
Yeah it suxks getting camped und tunneled, been there. But what sucks more is being camped and tunneled while your teammates do diddly squat. That means that all efforts were for naught. If nobody is doing gens, chances are no one is going to escape. Slam gens, let the killer get 1k and have 3 people easily escape. That‘d make me rethink my strategies.
Overly altruistic plays are hard countered by camping and tunneling. Bombing hooks, unhooking in the killers face, throwing oneself at the killer to prevent tunneling and/or force BT/DS reward these playstyles and make them efficient.
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I only kill myself on hook when it's 5/4 gens and ge literally starts camping
You also lose rank meaning your survivor team won't get better, meaning all the campers that get genrushed will be in your MMR range
yeah I get that, but not everyone is overly altruistic
if the survivor is high MMR -> he survives often -> he does objectives -> more enjoyable games for some individuals
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Many killers camp/tunnel because it's usually the best way of getting kills. Tunnelling especially is pretty much always the most efficient way to play if you're just playing to win. Camping is more situational but sometimes is also the best thing to do, especially at endgame where it is almost always the best thing to do.
Sure some people wanna just play facecamping Bubba for the memes or because they got stomped a few times but I'd wager like 80%+ of the time the killer camps and tunnels it's just because that's how you win the game.
Inb4 "well I'm a rank 1 killer and I have never camped or tunnelled ever in my life just get gud". Sure Jan.
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Nurse, Blight, Spirit don't require skill? At all? At high MMR that's all it is? Just skilless players piloting top-tier killers?
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So high MMR only ever uses overpowered add-ons. Who's definition, yours? Mine?
Your response implies you're missing the point.
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Yeah. Also no. Just throwing ideas out into the universe does not make them true.
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Yes, not everyone is overly altruistic. my point however is that survivors reward camping and tunneling way to frequently either by being overly altruistic or by just camping themselves around the hook instead of punishing it properly by slamming gens.
Killers camp and tunnel because it gets them lots of kills but it only gets them lots of kills if survivors let that happen.
Camping in theory is inefficient. In practice it works but it shouldn’t. There‘sd be far less of it if survs wouldn‘t make it work so frequently. Killers camp for easy kills, if survivors don’t throw there’s no easy kills with camping anymore and they need to change their strategy.
Tunneling would also be less effective if survs just didn‘t go for unsafe unhooks and did gens.
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Calling something unskilled play does not make it so. Especially when there's a ton of evidence to the contrary.
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Killers camp and tunnel because the gen speeds are laughably fast when survivors play efficient, end of story. As long as a triple gen pop can happen in the first 60-90 seconds of the game killers will never stop camping and tunneling.
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Doesn't look like the Rocket Launcher for Survivors is coming in the next patch :(
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Certainly, but not to the degree you're claiming. You dismissed the entirety of the viable roster at high MMR because you don't like add-ons that you -sometimes- see.
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Agreed, which is why I run Self Heal, and other perks that help it. It means I don't need to rely on my team to heal me, and I can push gens when I know a killer is camping someone.
Unfortunately survivors have gotten to the point where they forget how to play without 2nd chance crutch perks (and the same can be said for killers). Playing with things like DS in the long run changes how you play by changing you decision making to more risky and ultimately unsafe plays that can be easily punished. Instead of avoiding the use of DS when it's equipped, survivors just throw themselves at the killer to use it. Which is a poor use of the skill.
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I will stop tunneling and camping by a huge margain when survivor meta gets less busted.
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Makes 0 sense. Camping in that case should make it so you lose all gens at get 1 kill at best if the survivors don‘t coordinate a decent save.
It‘s a terrible way to play against people slamming gens because you‘re enabling them to slam gens unchallenged.
Camping pushes survivors away from doing anything but gens (atleast the somewhat smart ones).
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It's true that when it comes to facecamping, survivors reward it much more often than punish it. At the very least you'll usually have a survivor or two standing closeish to the hook emoting at you for a while before eventually running off to do gens, wasting loads of time.
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You camp someone and the altruism starts pretty often.
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Decent survivors don‘t bomb the hook. They‘re gonna finish all the gens, come for a coordinated save, easy 3-4E.
There‘s also no logical structure here. Gens get done quickly, so to stop that the killer ideally wants to force survs into other actions, especially altruism. Ungooking, healing, picking up slugs. Camping pushes semi-decent survivors away from altruistic actions and towards slamming gens. It accomplishes literally the opposite.
I‘m well aware that there‘s plenty of stupid people not doing that even though it makes the most sense, I‘ve written exactly that.
Doesn‘t change the fact that the logic here is highly flawed.
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What are the three things survivors hate?
1. Camp
2. Tunnel
3. Slug
I'm talking about proxying the hook not straight up face camping. Cutting off survivors that are coming for the save. If that person cant safe or gets injured then another person will come off gens to come for the save. Unless they want to just let the person on hook die on there first hook and slam gens which most teams don't.
Tunneling someone out early is basically an easy win and slugging depending on what killer your playing can be extremely strong. Literally all of these will pull survivors off gens to protect the victim of the camping, tunneling, slugging.
Lots of solo teams will come off gens unorganized because they aren't coordinated. And lots of swfs will come off gens to save there friend.
The reason killers camp, tunnel and slug is because it's easier then traversing the map and dealing with loads of bullsh*t pallets with no mindgame and going for a million chases. Unless you can down people super quick this is not efficient killer play and that's why survivors like it because it gives them a better chance to win. Mixing hooks takes forever and gens will be done quicker this way vs most teams as opposed to camping tunneling, and slugging. Most killers know there is not enough time to chase every survivor multiple times because THE GENS GO TO FAST!
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This entirely depends on the survivors being idiots.
If you think these are good strategies to win games you probably have not gone up against many good survivors.
Good survivors won‘t just bomb the hook and stop doing generators while your camping. There gonna rush the gens and get the save.
You‘re not gonna tunnel someone out early against decent survivors. While you‘re busy waiting around for someone to come unhook they‘re gonna slam gens if you don‘t force them off.
If you‘ve went away a bit to bait the unhook they can get distance. You need to chase them down again if you can find them to begin with. That takes time, time the survs spend on gens. If the survivor who‘s being tunneled isn’t an idiot they can possibly hold themselves in a chase and waste your time while everyone else does gens.
Good survivors can easily do all gens and escape while your busy camping and tunneling. It‘s only effective if the survivors are bad, don’t do gens and/or throw themselves at you to prevent tunneling. Against good survivors you’re gonna lose all gens before you‘ve tunneled someone out. And if they‘re real good they‘ll get the tunneled surv out aswell.
It only works against bad survivors. Against good ones you need to actively chase them off gens and get downs in quick succession. Ideally having multiple downs at the same time. That‘s forcing the other survivors off gens into altruistic actions. That‘s why slugging can be so effective, if you’ve got one person downed while chasing a second one, a third one will have to come save the downed guy. If you manage to down survivor number two in the meantime and intercept 3 then the fourth one needs to come save because they‘re likely not going to get all gens done by themselves.
You‘re pressuring all survivors at that point. Camping and tunneling does literally the opposite. It pressures one survivor only and let’s everyone else do gens unhindered.
You‘re in no position to complain about gens being done fast if you employ a playstyle that does nothing to prevent that and actively encourages rushing gens over anything.
if that’s how you want to play, fine. But don‘t pretend it’s a good strategy because it banks on survivors being idiots to work. It‘s a terrible strategy and any decent team will wreck it hard. Justs standing around instead of actively going out hunting also means the killer is not gonna improve in a meaningful way.
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People camp and tunnel because it is a very effective strategy to win.
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