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I know it’s been awhile, but what happened to The Wraith still bothers me
I wouldn’t call myself a veteran at this game. But I picked up and fell in love with Wraith a couple months before the windstorm basekit buffs got added. He was absolutely reliant on windstorm but just slapping on bbq was enough to work around that. And at a time when stridor spirit was dominating red ranks, the vast majority of people I went against had a pretty positive reaction to him regardless of how the match went.
Fast forward and the windstorm buff gets announced, I was extremely excited since this was what wraith had needed for a long time. And ignoring the lunge glitch from the first week or two. Wraith felt better to play then ever. But of course, since Freddy got nerfed all the toxic Freddie’s latched onto wraith. Now, while it was more enjoyable for me, I could tell the communities opinion of wraith players had taken a nosedive, it was sad to see, and I wish that things could’ve been different.
This all of course led to Wraith being nerfed. And this is what really stung, without the big lunge Wraith lacks any meaningful chase power, hit and run would be an option, but we all know hit and run just is not viable anymore. People were right saying it’s not the biggest nerf and it’s not the most noticeable thing. But after how much I played him, the lunge just feels awful now. Part of me just wants old windstorm reliant wraith back. Because he genuinely felt better than current wraith. I miss my main, and I miss when people didn’t associate my main with some of the most toxic parts of the community.
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Not all Killers have a chase Power, Wraith has some good power regardless.
Late game when there are few pallets, Wraith is a beast.
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I don’t think he’s the worst in the game. He’s still who I play in the majority of my games. I just can’t help but compare him to what he was and be kinda bummed out.
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imo, Wraith is pretty close to unplayable without chase perks. M1 is just not viable in 2022. I run Spirit Fury + Enduring on him since you're going to be eating a lot of stuns as a basic M1 killer. I also run Starstruck to get giga value from stealth hits.
Taking away his super lunge was a not so good move, imo. Being able to cloak + uncloak midchase to get a big lunge was a big time investment and very counterable. If Wraith is ringing his bell mid chase, just camp pallet or sneak away from the loop.
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If you miss "Le Epic Big Lunge," I humbly direct you to Spirit, Myers, and the perk Coup De Grace : )
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One of the most annoying parts of DBD design is the fact that survivor teams are, on average, bad. This makes killers that are weak but have a couple of strengths that are good against solo q seem very powerful when they are not.
Wraith is a good example of this. Against a competent team, his lack of chase power is devastating. However since, most survivors don't know how to loop correctly (I don't blame them for this, looping is very hard to learn) this lack of chase power does not really come up.
Wraith did not get nerfed because he was powerful, he got nerfed because the average survivor team could not deal with him. It also did not help that all of the freddy mains who just abused the lack of bt moved over to wraith for their camping and tunneling needs.
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I thought his base kit was fine. He had problematic addons (All seeing blood especially) that were overtuned due to the fact one slot always had to be windstorm for so long. But ultimately yes when compared to the rest of the roster, his base kit was just on the higher end of the middle of the pack.
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I genuinely feel that Wraith wouldn’t have gotten nerfed if it weren’t for ex-Freddy players tanking his reputation. And while it’s painful to admit it you are probably right that he got nerfed because of bad players. It’s just so annoying that they’d nerf a killer that took years to be remotely viable.
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Yeah the super lunge is what made Wraith so appealing to me. I’ve tried Coup a couple times and it’s not bad but it just doesn’t feel the same y’know?
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Wee bit OP.
Going from 1.25s speed after uncloaking to 1.00s speed and keeping basekit Windstorm´s slower uncloaking was a 20% nerf to his lunge.
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It really just feels so unpleasant now. The only time it was worse was when the update first came out and the lunge was bugged.
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I don't think the nerf was too harsh (but still... ouch), but they definetly panic-reacted to his increased lethality, despite them saying they wouldn't repeat Freddy's mistake. My theory is that people weren't accustomed yet to Wraith but him being a noob stomper by default could make it too hard for newer people.
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He was extremely unfun to go against. On top of the fact that whenever there's a better killer, EVERYONE and their mother latches onto them. Spirit, Freddy, Wraith, Blight, Legion. It's insane.
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I’d definitely say they went too far. Sure he’s faster now by default but his chase power is worse than addon reliant wraith. Which is just absurd.
I don’t mean any offense but I’ve never understood the “he wasn’t fun” argument. At least in regards to this. Saying he’s unfun implies they changed something about him to make him more fun. They didn’t, they just made him weaker and easier to beat. That’s not how you address something that players find “unfun”
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He was "unfun" because there was almost nothing you could do against him. If you got caught in an area without a pallet you were basically dead and even WITH a pallet his lunge would hit you through it before you could even drop it. He did nothing but hit and run and even with Spine Chill + Sprint Burst there wasn't anything you could really do. On top of him basically being hug tech blight BEFORE hug tech blight and swinging around every loop. Yeah, he was "unfun."
They made him more fun by nerfing him, making him less miserable to play against. Sorry to the Wraith mains ig.
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So to address your critiques
- there is not a single killer in the game that can be countered if a survivor is out in the open with no resources. That’s not how the game works.
- Hits through pallets have been almost completely fixed. If you were to go down to his super lunge at a pallet now. Then it was deserved.
- Like I said In my post, hit and run hasn’t been a viable choice for a LONG time and even if wraith got buffed it still wouldn’t be.
- I don’t spend enough time around here to know what the Hug tech is. But I’m assuming you mean uncloaking when he was close enough to breathe down your neck, and to that I say, it was on you if he was able to get that close, his snarl has always been extremely noticeable if you know you’re against a wraith.
- if a wraith was “swinging around every loop” then they’re probably bad at wraith, because being that predictable loses you games.
And as a side note. I think you fail to understand the weaknesses wraith has always had if you genuinely thought players couldn’t do anything. Vaulting a pallet over and over so he’s forced to uncloak to break it has always worked, vaulting a window over and over because you aren’t in chase when he’s cloaked has always worked. While more situational flashlights and flashbangs to make him back off have always worked. And abusing the fact that most wraiths respect pallets when cloaked because of the super long stun has always worked. I can accept that some people found him annoying. But to imply he couldn’t be countered is simply wrong.
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Was he balanced? Yes.
Was he fair? Yes.
The problem is that people refused to learn/adapt. Hit and Run Wraith was very common because he's literally described as a hit and run specialist on the dbd website, and his lack of a chasing power outside his lunge meant that good survivors could easily stomp a Wraith.
He DID have some BS in the form of All Seeing, but that was an add-on, not the killer. (If you argue otherwise, then Huntress was among the least fair/balanced killers in the game until Iri was nerfed).
There's a reason the community had a collective "THIS IS HOW YOU COUNTER LEGION" when he was buffed to avoid the same thing happening for the same reasons.
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Super Lunge Wraith just made looping the same pallet a bad idea, now it's a bad idea because most run Endfury and he still sucks on the L T walls
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Doesnt that apply to every killer? But that aside, late game when the pallets are gone, the gens will be completed.
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If there are few pallets all gens should be gone, if they are not, that team could have been beaten by a trapless trapper at that point.
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You shouldn't balance the game around being unfun
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yes
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the nerf was justified and at the same time didn't make him worse to play just made it less miserable to go against him. all he really needed was windstorm and it made his chase a lot better he can use his uncloak to catch up to survivors and bodyblock their path and he still has a decent lunge after uncloaking plus his amazing addons wraith is in a good spot but he's still an m1 killers and until dead hard gets nerfed he'll still suffer.
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