Killers don't get enough compensation for what they have to endure.
I consistely score less than survivors do in my games, this is simply messed up. Whenever I try to bring an anniversary offering I immediately get sweat squads who will loop me throughout the entire game while the rest of the team keeps splitting gens to finish them as quickly as possible. The result might be a meager bp reward for everyone but I'm the one who especially suffers from this since survivors still get 5000 bloodpoints for free after escaping.
Even if we disregard events and their nature as a whole we still have to consider the hardships casual style killerplayers like me have to endure. I don't bring meta perks into my games nor do I play the best possible killers, I am simply playing the killers I genuinely like and choose perks which highlight their playstyle. Sadly survivors don't do anything like this at all, they rather bring the same 3-4 perks into every single match and deny me the ability to enjoy the game at all by playing as dirty as possible. There's literally no room for players like me.
There should be a serious discussion about compensation here. Right now playing as a m1 killer feels like an extremely ungrateful job with meager income and no paid vacation days. There should be an union to combat this type of exploitation.
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Meanwhile I'm on Freddy burning all my FIFTH anniversary cakes on him and going in all caps "WHAT YEAR IS IT? MY CAKE IS STALE :(" after each game, trying for 8 hooks 0 kills throughout. Gotten a lot of laughs. Doesn't work every game and sometimes if people clearly just want a normal game I'll go for it, but yeah. Been having a good time.
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If you're scoring less as the killer it's means you're a pretty bad killer. You'll have the odd match where it happens, but it should never be consistent.
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There’s nothing forcing you to play killer or even this game at all lol
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Or it could mean that matchmaking is flatout not working. The game's supposed to adapt to the killer's MMR and yet that doesn't happen. Survivors still bring the same perks into my games while I'm getting bodied for trying to play in a non-meta way. It's an absolutely terrible experience and I'm appalled that the devs still haven't created a space for casual players like me.
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I'll never get tired of watching people argue against something that would directly benefit them (e.g. more BP) because there might be someone, somewhere, who gets something they don't deserve as much as we do
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As harsh as it is, this
Even in my worst games as killer, I generally am near or at times above what survivors do. So many survivor things (namely Altruism and Boldness) are so dependent on the killer doing things to the survivors that it is damn difficult to score less than a survivor without an absolute S show of a game.
There absolutely should still be a discussion about BP in this game (neither side gets enough BP considering the damn grind of this game) but something is going very wrong in your games if you as the killer are consistently getting less BP than a survivor.
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From the trends of what you post, it seems like you struggle to play killer. Maybe look up a guide or consider playing stronger killers if the M1 killers aren't working at all. Killers will get more BP than survivors usually, so it seems like user error at this point.
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This has to be a parody.
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More harassment and insults from the survivors. It's truly appalling how this type of behavior isn't even considered a bannable offense.
These type of teams do gens at a neckbreaking speed while all I can do is secure one hook at most and camp that person to death during endgame. There's simply no alternative and the game doesn't want to give me appropriate survivors after enduring this ongoing bullying.
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Oh, you poor suffering soul. Working harsh 12 hour shifts with little pay. Barely enough iri shards to scrape by.
If playing killer is this much agony for you, I recommend protesting with your silence.
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I see, you're supporting this type of harassment then. I guess you're one of these people who type "gg ez" to make sure the killer-pool shrinks even more. It's apparently too much to ask for some respect and proper matchmaking around here.
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If you're scoring less than survivors on the regular, something is extremely wrong with matchmaking or just your gameplay. Mostly it sounds like your MMR is too high and needs to come down so that you're facing opponents more at your skill level. I'm a Plague main too and I still score way more than survivors, even with the Deviousness handicap she comes with.
As for the salt in the wound after losing, I think BHVR should put forth some incentives or whatnot to improve sportsmanship. I dislike how apathetic or even welcoming they are to BM in the community, because it's pretty rampant and it's not improving most players' experiences.
Problem with creating a casual space is that you can't really define it mechanically. There's no way to stop players from entering the 'casual area' with the aim of getting easy opponents and the intent to play as sweaty as possible, which defeats the point.
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No no, no. You sorely misunderstand. I'm not talking about killers, or survivors. I'm talking about you.
No one is forcing you to play. No one says that you must play 10 matches of Dead by Daylight matches to eat today. If killer is such apparently agony that you say you don't get compensated, for what you endure, and you're still here?
You have failed the self-responsibility challenge. Completely and utterly. I agree that killer can most certainly be better. But I have sympathy for the state of killer, I don't have sympathy for you.
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you can turn off end game chat if you cant handle it
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One thing that I learned pretty quickly: many teams have something that I call the "designated harasser", ie a survivor always with a flashlight, 90% with a flashy outfit and 100% with DH and possible Window of Opportunity and Self Heal. This survivor ain't afraid of you and perfected their loop game a long time ago. While all other survivors quickly jump on a gen, the designated harasser will bumble around and in their perfect game plan you will see them from accross the map, try to catch and waste an extraordinary amount of time to down them, if at all.
The best way to deal with them? Ignore them, patrol gens and just harass some other survivors. Bonus points if they try to get your attention by running in front of you, fast vaulting random windows and clickety clicking their flashlight as fast as their macro allows. They will often hover you in order to swoop in for a flashlight save on another survivor, and all this is actually to your advantage, as it means one less survivor on gens, and sometimes you can sneak in a free hit here and there.
Not every team has such a bravado, but its highly advisable to identify this looping gods and NOT waste time with them until they are the last one standing. They usually greed pallets like mad and get away with it, due to hundreds hours of looping under their belt, but if you played your cards correctly, some less apt survivor will happiliy predrop all god pallets in panic and allows you to get rid of them.
Good harasser will just join the gen squad once they notice that you ain`t interested in them, but the closer they are to the age of 12, the more easy they are tilted by this and try to get your attention badly.
Of course don't take everything in this tract at face value, but I have met a lot of harassers in my time and foiled their dirty little game.
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I genuinely feel for your situation but it doesn't reflect my experience even slightly - I legitimately don't know how its even possible to score under 10k as a killer.
Escaped survivors get 5k points, so these are survivors who otherwise have in many cases 5k to 10k points in other categories.
Are you starting enough chases? Infecting gens? Breaking palettes?
These scores are low enough that it's nearly an uninteractive game. Like others have said, your MMR might be too high and need to get dragged down some (which is a painful feeling, but we all encounter it universally from time to time) or you might not be approaching the match in the right way.
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You can always do doctor with distressing you will get more than 8k easily just using his basic abilities
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Compensation? A bad killer game gives you more points than a good survivor game.
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If your response to the problem is to "simply not play the game" then you've already failed. There's no attempt here to find a genuine solution, this is just another way of saying "uninstall DbD". You're hardly any better than these survivor players who focus on ruining any last shred of joy the killer might be able to extract from this game by insulting them over their inability to compete in the Entity's realm.
All I want is some bonus bloodpoints as a last bit of solace, it's obviously very hard to create a space for casual players like me who don't want to sweat every single match by picking the same handful of perks over and over again while limiting myself to a pair of killers. Infact I keep rotating my killers after every match, that's how I keep it fresh.
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Plague doesn't stack BP the same was as other killers, you get points for deviousness in mass but thats about it. Her other scores are usually terrible. So if you get gen rushed, you're out of luck.
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Not the way I play her 🕷️👀
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Eh? Plague's Devious gain is #########. You've gotta Corrupt Purge like 20 people on top of your usual vomming activities to max it. It's only 300 per hit, which is not great for a power she doesn't always have. See Bubba getting 800 for a chainsaw hit or Wraith getting 550 for an uncloak hit. And puking on things is only 25 points, which is terrible.
Her Brutality isn't necessarily the best, but it's pretty much the same issue as all instadowners; less stabs equals less points. She's one of the worst BP earners, but I'll still get maybe 22k points on a match where everyone escapes.
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9k? 11? Your games must be over within 5 minutes for that to happen consistently. The worst I walk away with is ~18k.
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"Her brutality isn't necessarily the best"
"It's only 300 per hit"
"Plague doesn't stack BP the same way as other killers"
"Bubba getting 800 for a chainsaw hit"
^ You're already short on Brutality by default, your only choice is deviousness at that point plus spreading infection on objects----> Should be most of your spit anyway---> Leads to near non existent points during a gen rush due to limited downs and hooks even while infecting people you're still going to have a higher Deviousness spread than any other points. Its the same point spread with Pig.
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My first thought as well. Don’t know how to play.
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I'm not a good Killer myself, but even I get about 70% of the matches more points than survivors. I have to ask; on what platform are you playing?
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Hey I'm all for increased BP across the board.
True, but considering how strong she is realistically you should still make decent bp. Granted she needs a look at her bp gains.
I'm not even trying to be harsh. Getting BP as killer is just infinitely easier.
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Do you genuinely expect to find a solution by wailing to the sky that you aren't compensated enough to play this game for fun that is, by all definitions and logic, optional?
If it's so agonizing, leave. If you don't, you're addicted. In no other place or situation would this be a contradictory or strange statement, but for you, evidently, it's a call to arms.
Tell us that the state of killer is poor all day, and i'll agree to you. Tell me what you deserve for subjecting yourself to it, and i'll point and laugh as you walk into the low-hanging steel beam all day.
And as a side note.. "Hard to create a space for casual players like me who don't want to sweat"
If you want to win, you have to try harder. You can't play casual and fun and not serious and then complain that you lose. That isn't how it works.
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Welcome to playing Killer in DBD, you are a plaything, something to be toyed with then discarded. You are not a person and therefor have no rights, you can accept that this is how the dev team wants the game by design or you can not, it doesn't change what the role is though: something to bring amusement to others even at your own expensive.
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Sounds like someone could use some Hythlodaeus-like teasing to cheer them up 😀
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Regarding the earlier comments about Plague and her lack of bp generation, this is a very true statement. Even if she dominates she still gets very little out of it, especially when it comes to pipping. She needs to have all of her infection rewards doubled, that might make a decent start. Right now gentapping literally gives more bp than puking on stuff with her.
Here's a match I had with her earlier on Lery's, the survivors didn't cleanse so I was able to down them all.
This game and its community seem to be extremely hostile towards casual killer players, though. It's an absolute pain playing this game with many of these m1 killers since they're so easy to loop and genrush if survivors have thousands of hours of experience. It's basically a lost cause when I load into a match and see the kind of map I'm getting. I try not to get titled but seeing gens pop like 2-3 times during my first chase really demotivates me.
The only way to get the MMR to adapt is to play MANY games but I'd like to know when the system actually starts working, imagine having to endure this type of process on every single killer on the roster. Now that's what I call torture.
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Skill issue
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MMR issue
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2charactersSHORT <333
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I mean, sure, but any killer is going to have horrible points if they get genrushed and only get a few chases? I don't really see the point you're making.
And the 25 points per vomming on random objects is really low, especially when it takes ~40s to wear off and become re-eligible. I can spend the entirety of a farming game spitting on random objects I would never bother with in a serious game and still get <5k deviousness.
Pig has bad Deviousness too, on account of Ambush having limited use and the traps only conferring a fraction of the cap. Like if you asked me to pick the 3 killers with the worst power score gain, I'd have said Plague, Pig, and Myers.
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Definitely true cause there always a weak link.
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Good lord, I expected at least a little sympathy for this poor sap who just wanted to play the game, but this is awful.
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No. Killers "always" gets much more than survivors and can prevent others from getting points.
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I have no sympathy for the person who walks into the steel beam, demands just compensation for their suffering, then walks into it again.
Sorry if that's heartless.
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You don't understand that this game's matchmaking is strictly built upon that concept. If I don't play the game, the MMR cannot adapt. Naturally it'll take MANY games to give it enough input about the performance of each respective killer. However this process is apparently taking too long and it's especially frustrating during an event where survivors seem to sweat like there's no tomorrow. You're simply devoid of empathy.
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True. Unless the killer does real bad.. I've had super bad games where I got the rare below 10k score.. but in general, even on a bad match, I'll get around 20k, or sometimes even more.
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What killers do you play? It really depends if you play legion or doctor you should atleast get 20000 every game based on how their powers work
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After seeing how killers have been acting this event, I have no sympathy.
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Always
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jesus, why do killers play like that during an event? That Spirit deserved what she got.
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I almost decided to give myself up out of sympathy once the gates were opened, then I saw NOED light up next to me and thought NOPE.
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It's actually quite impressive. Like it takes genuine skill to get less points than the survivors consistently.
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I would say that you are right overall with it, but I doubt that you would do worse then survivors on average, if that really is happening and you are not just exagerrating then you are clearly doing something wrong. By the sound of how you write you may seem to play "nice" by not tunneling or camping and if that is true then maybe try to rethink your whole attitude and give up on beeing nice.
I do the same and my kill rate is overall pretty good compared to back then around deathslinger chapter, for example my Dredge has a kill rate of 3,6 with over 40 games.
If you want to win you simply have to play as dirty and annoying as possible, even if survivors scream in the chats, dc or anything. Just show the devs and the survivors that you need to play like the biggest ass in the world to have your own fun, its not your fault.
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I didn't think this was going to be about actual bp score at the end of the game screen.
Killer is often very frustrating with many teams able to quickly get gens done before you've gotten you first down/hook. Makes running corrupt feel mandatory rather than optional.
Then when you do win against those teams, they'll quickly dismiss your win by coming with any number of reasons why you actually suck despite killing them.
Not to mention all the second chance perks available which makes even forcing out a kill when you really need one harder than it should be.
It's simply hard to feel motivated to play killer a lot, because it quickly becomes very frustrating when your mmr is at least decent enough to be matched with good teams.
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Whats the alternative? I mean...at the rate survivors whine you could just not play against a human opponent and just play a gen repair sim with no opponent. Cause I mean...it seems like that from all these forum posts a lot of survivors have this weird greed complex where if it isn't a complete stomp by them then its not fun playing. And before you say "well killer players" You outnumber us 1000 to 1....and the ratio of us online to survivors online short of a new chapter release is abysmal. You're complaining about the equivalent of 1 guy while the rest of us "Fair" players have largely packed up and left.
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