http://dbd.game/killswitch
So 4 man swf and object of obsession
Its happening far too often. Seems to be catching on.
Its absolutely breaks the game. It needs addressing.
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that's why I tunnel and camp every troll using OoO.
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Same, in fact I try to go hard on the whole team.Wolf74 said:that's why I tunnel and camp every troll using OoO.
Kinda sucks that you have to throw the game sometimes though to camp the obsession.0 -
If' you're taking the bait then that's your own fault really, it's like the person with the flashlight and bright clothes always clicking it to get your attention. They want to get you riled up and chase them and not pay attention to the people doing gens etc.
You know like the matador with the flaming red cape taunting the bull which then ignores the very sharp pointy object the matador is holding behind said cape.
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I do feel like that sometimes, but the fact that they're giving their team your location over Discord means they're too much of a risk to be left in the game.powerbats said:If' you're taking the bait then that's your own fault really, it's like the person with the flashlight and bright clothes always clicking it to get your attention. They want to get you riled up and chase them and not pay attention to the people doing gens etc.
You know like the matador with the flaming red cape taunting the bull which then ignores the very sharp pointy object the matador is holding behind said cape.
That's especially true if you're using a stealth character.
Nothing worse than approaching a gen well outside of terror radius, you see the aura of the obsession appear for a second and then everyone scarpers before you get anywhere near them.2 -
@The_Crusader said:
powerbats said:If' you're taking the bait then that's your own fault really, it's like the person with the flashlight and bright clothes always clicking it to get your attention. They want to get you riled up and chase them and not pay attention to the people doing gens etc.
You know like the matador with the flaming red cape taunting the bull which then ignores the very sharp pointy object the matador is holding behind said cape.
I do feel like that sometimes, but the fact that they're giving their team your location over Discord means they're too much of a risk to be left in the game.
That's especially true if you're using a stealth character.
Nothing worse than approaching a gen well outside of terror radius, you see the aura of the obsession appear for a second and then everyone scarpers before you get anywhere near them.
Oh I can totally understand that and I remember seeing complaints on here before about swf but also full solo groups doing it by coordinating it in chat prior. I've been in all solo q lobbies where 1 person says they're running it and then they play Kate or Laurie and just kite forever.
The smarter killers realize what's going on pretty quickly and either tunnel and down them fast or go for a different target instead. If it's SWF it only works if the killer is looking right at you at the same time as they're looking at you.
It can also be gamed if you know that's what's happening as well since you can bait them into moving someplace you want them to.
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@powerbats said:
If' you're taking the bait then that's your own fault really, it's like the person with the flashlight and bright clothes always clicking it to get your attention. They want to get you riled up and chase them and not pay attention to the people doing gens etc.You know like the matador with the flaming red cape taunting the bull which then ignores the very sharp pointy object the matador is holding behind said cape.
That's a flawed metaphor, because the OoO Troll is actually giving information to the other 3. If you leave him alone all game, they will abuse that recon.
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@Wolf74 said:
@powerbats said:
If' you're taking the bait then that's your own fault really, it's like the person with the flashlight and bright clothes always clicking it to get your attention. They want to get you riled up and chase them and not pay attention to the people doing gens etc.You know like the matador with the flaming red cape taunting the bull which then ignores the very sharp pointy object the matador is holding behind said cape.
That's a flawed metaphor, because the OoO Troll is actually giving information to the other 3. If you leave him alone all game, they will abuse that recon.
Actually that's incorrect since it only works if you're looking at them at the same time, you can use that to your advantage really. If they're all grouped up with the person being the bait then it's like the dinner is served bell since you know they're all together.
Just look at the person go towards them then look away and change directions, use the information against them. I've watched killers follow the bait and get kited everywhere, other times they leave the obsession alone and tunnel someone else.
The really smart and sneaky killers use the bait as bait of their own and give the survivors information but on their terms. Sometimes they dive right in, other times they do a bait and switch, it's all about the mind games at that point.
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Its definitely working when you're not looking at each other too. I used ir for the adept laurie achievement and many times saw the killer in a chase and they almost had their back to me.
I assume it's not quite 100% accurate on when you're looking at each other.
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@powerbats said:
@Wolf74 said:
@powerbats said:
If' you're taking the bait then that's your own fault really, it's like the person with the flashlight and bright clothes always clicking it to get your attention. They want to get you riled up and chase them and not pay attention to the people doing gens etc.You know like the matador with the flaming red cape taunting the bull which then ignores the very sharp pointy object the matador is holding behind said cape.
That's a flawed metaphor, because the OoO Troll is actually giving information to the other 3. If you leave him alone all game, they will abuse that recon.
Actually that's incorrect …
Stopped reading right here, because this goes your usual route of "I know it all-you are wrong-it's a fact".
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@The_Crusader said:
Its definitely working when you're not looking at each other too. I used ir for the adept laurie achievement and many times saw the killer in a chase and they almost had their back to me.I assume it's not quite 100% accurate on when you're looking at each other.
You are right of course, bats doesn't seem to know how the perk works, but give advice on it anyway.
"If you are looking in the Killer's direction, your link will reveal your Auras to each other.This effect applies only if you are outside of the Killer's Terror Radius. "
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Oh wow you're right.Wolf74 said:@The_Crusader said:
Its definitely working when you're not looking at each other too. I used ir for the adept laurie achievement and many times saw the killer in a chase and they almost had their back to me.I assume it's not quite 100% accurate on when you're looking at each other.
You are right.
"If you are looking in the Killer's direction, your link will reveal your Auras IconHelp auras.png to each other.This effect applies only if you are outside of the Killer's Terror Radius. "
I always assumed we had to be looking at each other but that it was just a bit glitchy. Damn, they really can see your back though.
Not to mention that sole survivor is sometimes run with this so killing off one of their friends first actually gives these twerps a little bit of protection.0 -
@The_Crusader said:
Wolf74 said:@The_Crusader said:
Its definitely working when you're not looking at each other too. I used ir for the adept laurie achievement and many times saw the killer in a chase and they almost had their back to me.
I assume it's not quite 100% accurate on when you're looking at each other.
You are right.
"If you are looking in the Killer's direction, your link will reveal your Auras IconHelp auras.png to each other.
This effect applies only if you are outside of the Killer's Terror Radius. "
Oh wow you're right.
I always assumed we had to be looking at each other but that it was just a bit glitchy. Damn, they really can see your back though.
Not to mention that sole survivor is sometimes run with this so killing off one of their friends first actually gives these twerps a little bit of protection.
That's the whole point about it. If you see the killer looking your way, just turn away from him. It's like playing Slenderman. That was the original intend of the perk, but SWF are abusing it and trolls use it to get attention.
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@Wolf74 said:
@powerbats said:
@Wolf74 said:
@powerbats said:
If' you're taking the bait then that's your own fault really, it's like the person with the flashlight and bright clothes always clicking it to get your attention. They want to get you riled up and chase them and not pay attention to the people doing gens etc.You know like the matador with the flaming red cape taunting the bull which then ignores the very sharp pointy object the matador is holding behind said cape.
That's a flawed metaphor, because the OoO Troll is actually giving information to the other 3. If you leave him alone all game, they will abuse that recon.
Actually that's incorrect …
Stopped reading right here, because this goes your usual route of "I know it all-you are wrong-it's a fact".
The usual I don't like what you said so I'm just going to ignore you routine, you completely ignored all valid points I made just because you couldn't counter them. As I said the smart killers use it to their advantage while the other ones don't.
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@The_Crusader said:
Wolf74 said:@The_Crusader said:
Its definitely working when you're not looking at each other too. I used ir for the adept laurie achievement and many times saw the killer in a chase and they almost had their back to me.
I assume it's not quite 100% accurate on when you're looking at each other.
You are right.
"If you are looking in the Killer's direction, your link will reveal your Auras IconHelp auras.png to each other.
This effect applies only if you are outside of the Killer's Terror Radius. "
Oh wow you're right.
I always assumed we had to be looking at each other but that it was just a bit glitchy. Damn, they really can see your back though.
Not to mention that sole survivor is sometimes run with this so killing off one of their friends first actually gives these twerps a little bit of protection.
I never had it work that way when I was doing her adept achievement, i had to be looking at the killer and vice versa for it to work. The only time it worked like he said was when they turned around while moving and then turned back. When they turned back it stopped working as he claims but perhaps it does it sometime perhaps not.
As a killer I've never had an issue with people using it and as i said i used it to my advantage the same as using swf altruism against them.
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@powerbats said:
@Wolf74 said:
@powerbats said:
@Wolf74 said:
@powerbats said:
If' you're taking the bait then that's your own fault really, it's like the person with the flashlight and bright clothes always clicking it to get your attention. They want to get you riled up and chase them and not pay attention to the people doing gens etc.You know like the matador with the flaming red cape taunting the bull which then ignores the very sharp pointy object the matador is holding behind said cape.
That's a flawed metaphor, because the OoO Troll is actually giving information to the other 3. If you leave him alone all game, they will abuse that recon.
Actually that's incorrect …
Stopped reading right here, because this goes your usual route of "I know it all-you are wrong-it's a fact".
The usual I don't like what you said so I'm just going to ignore you routine, you completely ignored all valid points I made just because you couldn't counter them. As I said the smart killers use it to their advantage while the other ones don't.
As I noticed after Crusader mentioned you on that, you don't even know how it works, but call others "wrong"..
Stop making up your own world. If you don't know jack, just don't give bad advice.2 -
@Wolf74 said:
@powerbats said:
@Wolf74 said:
@powerbats said:
@Wolf74 said:
@powerbats said:
If' you're taking the bait then that's your own fault really, it's like the person with the flashlight and bright clothes always clicking it to get your attention. They want to get you riled up and chase them and not pay attention to the people doing gens etc.You know like the matador with the flaming red cape taunting the bull which then ignores the very sharp pointy object the matador is holding behind said cape.
That's a flawed metaphor, because the OoO Troll is actually giving information to the other 3. If you leave him alone all game, they will abuse that recon.
Actually that's incorrect …
Stopped reading right here, because this goes your usual route of "I know it all-you are wrong-it's a fact".
The usual I don't like what you said so I'm just going to ignore you routine, you completely ignored all valid points I made just because you couldn't counter them. As I said the smart killers use it to their advantage while the other ones don't.
As I noticed after Crusader mentioned you on that, you don't even know how it works, but call others "wrong"..
Stop making up your own world. If you don't know jack, just don't give bad advice.Again you completely ignored what I said all so you could toss out your usual insults. You just can't admit that smart killers can use the perk against swf teams. I also gave good advice on how to use it, just because you can't or won't use it to your advantage means you don't know how it works to your advantage.
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So do you lot intend to do anything about this?
Because I intend to keep disconnecting, and you say once you get dedicated servers you intend to punish disconnecting more so.....might as well be upfront with people now so I can choose to stop spending money on the game.
SWF with OoO breaks the game.0 -
Hello? Any responce?
This is ######### ridiculous. I'm getting 1-2 of them a day sometimes.
If any other game had 1 person wall hacking to see the opponent and was passing on that information on comms it would be a hack and they would be banned.
With Behaviour though it's all part of the game.
Lmfao get a grip.0 -
@The_Crusader said:
BumpSo do you lot intend to do anything about this?
Because I intend to keep disconnecting, and you say once you get dedicated servers you intend to punish disconnecting more so.....might as well be upfront with people now so I can choose to stop spending money on the game.
SWF with OoO breaks the game.
So then you admit you're going to break the rules and thus you accept any punishments that come for it.
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Why do you aways speak to people like that?powerbats said:@The_Crusader said:
BumpSo do you lot intend to do anything about this?
Because I intend to keep disconnecting, and you say once you get dedicated servers you intend to punish disconnecting more so.....might as well be upfront with people now so I can choose to stop spending money on the game.
SWF with OoO breaks the game.
So then you admit you're going to break the rules and thus you accept any punishments that come for it.
And yeah why not. It's a broken mechanic and would be laughed at in any other game. I've grown tired of wasting games proxy camping them. It's not fun.0 -
@The_Crusader said:
Hello? Any responce?This is [BAD WORD] ridiculous. I'm getting 1-2 of them a day sometimes.
If any other game had 1 person wall hacking to see the opponent and was passing on that information on comms it would be a hack and they would be banned.
With Behaviour though it's all part of the game.
Lmfao get a grip.
COD/WOW/etc etc etc your histrionics and logical fallacies and just plain bad logic all fail spectacularly, SWF isn't cheat since it was always an intended feature of the game. The devs have stated it's not cheating, they've also stated things killers do are legit.
So no matter what you say, how you word it, how you deflect, distort, twist. etc etc etc it won't change the simple fact that SWF isn't cheating.
The perk is in the game and if you have an issue with someone using it then SACRIFICE THEM.
If you've got a problem with it there's a simple solution. YOU KILL THE OBSESSION.
How hard is that to understand that if you've got a problem with a survivor you ensure they die. It's not like killers don't run DYING LIGHT and focus the obsession down.
So since killers that run DYING LIGHT already focus the obsession down to ensure they die you as a killer can focus the obsession down to ensure they die.
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There we go again with the faux-intellectual gimmick, assuming that the more pretentious you sound the more correct you are.
I've seen your debates with other people. I know your ways.
And nobody said SWF was cheating. Nice attempt at putting words into my mouth. The point is that SWF on voice comms where one is using Object of obsession is broken and the information gathered for the team would only be aquired by cheating in other games.0 -
I understand your complaints
but after way over 1000 hours of playing, both ps4 and pc, these make up like 1% of my matches?
It actually doesn't happen so often like you say, or atleast for me.
Also, OoO is just a free kill if you ask, they literally give themselves away.
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Its been more common recently.
Getting one every 2 days. Sometimes twice in a day.0 -
Don’t take the bait. Makes the game much easier even when versing a SWF.1
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@The_Crusader said:
There we go again with the faux-intellectual gimmick, assuming that the more pretentious you sound the more correct you are.I've seen your debates with other people. I know your ways.
And nobody said SWF was cheating. Nice attempt at putting words into my mouth. The point is that SWF on voice comms where one is using Object of obsession is broken and the information gathered for the team would only be aquired by cheating in other games.
translation I can't counter your arguments yet again so I'm going to do what I do to everyone else, INSULT THEM and use every type of deflection I can.
The only ways you know are how to not properly debate since if you can't refute attack the poster. In every one of your posts like this it's the same routine, you can't debate the points made so you use the classic Ad Hominem.
You've been given tips and tricks on how to face and counter all the different thing you complain about. Yet every time it's the same thing, throw out insults and claim you're right.
If you don't want to take advice given then you can keep on losing games and getting mad because you don't want to take advice you don't like.
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Any SWF member with OoO gets tunneled IMMEDIATELY off the hook. I cant have them telling their friends where I am at all times.
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@The_Crusader said:
Hello? Any responce?This is [BAD WORD] ridiculous. I'm getting 1-2 of them a day sometimes.
If any other game had 1 person wall hacking to see the opponent and was passing on that information on comms it would be a hack and they would be banned.
With Behaviour though it's all part of the game.
Lmfao get a grip.
Ok, mark this day buddy.
You are right about this topic.
OoO+voice com is basically cheating and should get addressed, no matter how low the percentage of that combo is.1 -
@Wolf74 said:
@The_Crusader said:
Hello? Any responce?This is [BAD WORD] ridiculous. I'm getting 1-2 of them a day sometimes.
If any other game had 1 person wall hacking to see the opponent and was passing on that information on comms it would be a hack and they would be banned.
With Behaviour though it's all part of the game.
Lmfao get a grip.
Ok, mark this day buddy.
You are right about this topic.
OoO+voice com is basically cheating and should get addressed, no matter how low the percentage of that combo is.Again with the cheating nonsense it's not cheating unless the devs say it's cheating that a fact no matter what anyone's opinion on the matter may be. so unless and until they say it's cheating it's not cheating.
There's also a simple solution if you have a problem with someone running the perk which is very simple. You sacrifice them thus removing your problem.
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This is what mr-know-it-all aka powerbats doesn't get.Wolf74 said:@The_Crusader said:
Hello? Any responce?This is [BAD WORD] ridiculous. I'm getting 1-2 of them a day sometimes.
If any other game had 1 person wall hacking to see the opponent and was passing on that information on comms it would be a hack and they would be banned.
With Behaviour though it's all part of the game.
Lmfao get a grip.
Ok, mark this day buddy.
You are right about this topic.
OoO+voice com is basically cheating and should get addressed, no matter how low the percentage of that combo is.
In any other game, you'd need hacks to pull this off. It's overly powerful.
In DBD though "it's a feature", because who cares about balance when you can allow every silly little thing you can think of right?
I don't mind OoO solo, you can see each other, that's the trade off. When a SWF uses it though it's extremely unfair. 4 of them know where you are but you can only see one.
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Which means I need to throw the game by waiting near enough the hook that I can camp/tunnel while they do gens.powerbats said:@Wolf74 said:
@The_Crusader said:
Hello? Any responce?This is [BAD WORD] ridiculous. I'm getting 1-2 of them a day sometimes.
If any other game had 1 person wall hacking to see the opponent and was passing on that information on comms it would be a hack and they would be banned.
With Behaviour though it's all part of the game.
Lmfao get a grip.
Ok, mark this day buddy.
You are right about this topic.
OoO+voice com is basically cheating and should get addressed, no matter how low the percentage of that combo is.Again with the cheating nonsense it's not cheating unless the devs say it's cheating that a fact no matter what anyone's opinion on the matter may be. so unless and until they say it's cheating it's not cheating.
There's also a simple solution if you have a problem with someone running the perk which is very simple. You sacrifice them thus removing your problem.
Or I could leave them on the hook and chase others, at which point the obsession could give their friends a heads up on where I'm heading and when I'm far enough for them to safely unhook.
How about you stop trying to defend every broken thing and start looking for balance?
SWF shouldn't be able to use OoO. It's exploited. Is it in the game? Yes. However is voice communication in the game? No,no it's not. By definition using a third party program to gain an advantage is an exploit. So while you say they accounted for SWF, they've never actually made voice communication a thing.
The thing is though I'm not asking for them to get rid of swf and voice comms. I get that it's unbalanced but its always going to be there.
All I'm asking for is to stop swf on voice comms using this one specific perk because it basically gives the group wallhacks.0 -
Don't forget, if they're using OoO to spy on you and relaying it to others, once they die they'll be telling their teammates your perk build, offering, and add-ons.
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@The_Crusader said:
Which means I need to throw the game by waiting near enough the hook that I can camp/tunnel while they do gens.
Or I could leave them on the hook and chase others, at which point the obsession could give their friends a heads up on where I'm heading and when I'm far enough for them to safely unhook.
How about you stop trying to defend every broken thing and start looking for balance?
SWF shouldn't be able to use OoO. It's exploited. Is it in the game? Yes. However is voice communication in the game? No,no it's not. By definition using a third party program to gain an advantage is an exploit. So while you say they accounted for SWF, they've never actually made voice communication a thing.
The thing is though I'm not asking for them to get rid of swf and voice comms. I get that it's unbalanced but its always going to be there.
All I'm asking for is to stop swf on voice comms using this one specific perk because it basically gives the group wallhacks.
Bottom line you're going to keep making excuses and tossing insults instead of addressing the main problem which is you. You seem to magically have this issue that you're unable to adapt while most everyone else can and can learn.
You on the other hand is it's always an excuse of some kind, it's cheating, it's imbalanced, it's not fair, it's not my fault I played badly. I shouldn't have to try, i shouldn't have to adapt/learn, the survivors should just let me hook them and not try.
Also the devs have said voice chat while not intended tot eh extent it's used ISN'T AN EXPLOIT NOR IS IT CHEATING. It doesn't matter what you or anyone else's opinion on it is, the devs make the rules and have said it's not against the rules.
So you can either act like a responsible person and stop making excuses and blaming everything else or keep losing games. You make a new thread each day or several complaining about something different that's the reason you're losing games, now it's Object of Obsession.
What is the next one going to be about, that the map rng isn't to your favor, that people using Self Care is the reason you're losing. Lets see what else you'll use that the basement is too easy to get out of, that survivors shouldn't ever get to escape.
The only know it all here right now is you since you seem to know all about tossing insults and ignoring any and all advice that would make you be able to play better.
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@TragicSolitude said:
Don't forget, if they're using OoO to spy on you and relaying it to others, once they die they'll be telling their teammates your perk build, offering, and add-ons.Gee it's almost as if they can't do that already, and the devs are going to change that so end game perks won't show.
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@powerbats said:
@TragicSolitude said:
Don't forget, if they're using OoO to spy on you and relaying it to others, once they die they'll be telling their teammates your perk build, offering, and add-ons.Gee it's almost as if they can't do that already, and the devs are going to change that so end game perks won't show.
I'm just saying, there's more than one way to spy on the killer, and tunneling and sacrificing them first is trading one way of spying on you for another. It's just a no-win situation.
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@powerbats
"Bottom line you're going to keep making excuses and tossing insults instead of addressing the main problem which is you. You seem to magically have this issue that you're unable to adapt while most everyone else can and can learn."
You act as if the entire forum isn't constantly complaining about SWF at every turn. At least I'm only complaining about SWF with 1 specific perk. So no it's not just me pal.
"You on the other hand is it's always an excuse of some kind, it's cheating, it's imbalanced, it's not fair, it's not my fault I played badly. I shouldn't have to try, i shouldn't have to adapt/learn, the survivors should just let me hook them and not try."
lmfao are you for real? You act like I haven't spent my time here in heated debates with half the forum simply because I defend survivors.
Stop putting words into my mouth. You aren't as smart as you think you are.
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@TragicSolitude said:
@powerbats said:
@TragicSolitude said:
Don't forget, if they're using OoO to spy on you and relaying it to others, once they die they'll be telling their teammates your perk build, offering, and add-ons.Gee it's almost as if they can't do that already, and the devs are going to change that so end game perks won't show.
I'm just saying, there's more than one way to spy on the killer, and tunneling and sacrificing them first is trading one way of spying on you for another. It's just a no-win situation.
So as an example of how flawed that argument is, you're a killer and you're running dying light. The obsession is part of a SWF group 2,3 or 4 group size. They know they're the obsession and thus you'll be after them since that's what killers tend to do.
You as the killer want to tunnel the living daylights out of the obsession because Dying Light needs the obsession to die early. Now notice the similarities between the 2 perks, both are focusing on 1 survivor dying quickly.
So the person running Ooo is easy prey because guess what you can see them as well, you hook them someone unhooks them. Well if you're far enough away no problem you pretty much know where they're going to be.
If they hook too close well guess what you're that much closer to where you know they're likely to be and given most swf will unhook before it's safe. That means you've got an easier time of tunneling that obsession and sacrificing them.
Now since the survivors will assume you're running Dying Light or some other evil end game perk that'd be detrimental to them they'll leave the gens and try and save the Obsession. You can easily smack the others perhaps even hook 1 all while going for your main prey the obsession.
The only no win situations are the ones you create yourself since if you going into a match expecting to lose, guess what you'll lose somehow. You'll of course blame it on the swf boogeyman, they used Sc/AD/DH/DS insert w/e other excuse you want to use.
It won't matter that you made mistakes at all during the match, chased a good looper instead of going for someone else. You respected a pallet thus keeping it safe for later use, didn't take the correct angle to cut them off from the loop/vault spot etc.
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@The_Crusader said:
@powerbats"Bottom line you're going to keep making excuses and tossing insults instead of addressing the main problem which is you. You seem to magically have this issue that you're unable to adapt while most everyone else can and can learn."
You act as if the entire forum isn't constantly complaining about SWF at every turn. At least I'm only complaining about SWF with 1 specific perk. So no it's not just me pal.
"You on the other hand is it's always an excuse of some kind, it's cheating, it's imbalanced, it's not fair, it's not my fault I played badly. I shouldn't have to try, i shouldn't have to adapt/learn, the survivors should just let me hook them and not try."
lmfao are you for real? You act like I haven't spent my time here in heated debates with half the forum simply because I defend survivors.
Stop putting words into my mouth. You aren't as smart as you think you are.
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I'm smarter then the less than average bear but I'm dumber then the smarter than average bear.
Also I don't need to put words into your mouth since you type with your keyboard unless you're using speech to text. You've been given advice by multiple people on how to handle various things and instead have chosen to make excuses, blame it on other things and insult people.
If you don't want to take any advice from people that've given good suggestions then don't expect most of the people on here to blame anyone but you for your troubles.
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@powerbats said:
@TragicSolitude said:
@powerbats said:
@TragicSolitude said:
Don't forget, if they're using OoO to spy on you and relaying it to others, once they die they'll be telling their teammates your perk build, offering, and add-ons.Gee it's almost as if they can't do that already, and the devs are going to change that so end game perks won't show.
I'm just saying, there's more than one way to spy on the killer, and tunneling and sacrificing them first is trading one way of spying on you for another. It's just a no-win situation.
So as an example of how flawed that argument is, you're a killer and you're running dying light. The obsession is part of a SWF group 2,3 or 4 group size. They know they're the obsession and thus you'll be after them since that's what killers tend to do.
You as the killer want to tunnel the living daylights out of the obsession because Dying Light needs the obsession to die early. Now notice the similarities between the 2 perks, both are focusing on 1 survivor dying quickly.
So the person running Ooo is easy prey because guess what you can see them as well, you hook them someone unhooks them. Well if you're far enough away no problem you pretty much know where they're going to be.
If they hook too close well guess what you're that much closer to where you know they're likely to be and given most swf will unhook before it's safe. That means you've got an easier time of tunneling that obsession and sacrificing them.
Now since the survivors will assume you're running Dying Light or some other evil end game perk that'd be detrimental to them they'll leave the gens and try and save the Obsession. You can easily smack the others perhaps even hook 1 all while going for your main prey the obsession.
The only no win situations are the ones you create yourself since if you going into a match expecting to lose, guess what you'll lose somehow. You'll of course blame it on the swf boogeyman, they used Sc/AD/DH/DS insert w/e other excuse you want to use.
It won't matter that you made mistakes at all during the match, chased a good looper instead of going for someone else. You respected a pallet thus keeping it safe for later use, didn't take the correct angle to cut them off from the loop/vault spot etc.
Hey, I'm sorry, I wasn't trying to be hostile or argumentative. I was just noticing that one of the counters players kept mentioning was to tunnel the obsession at the beginning of the game, and I was saying that even if the killer somehow manages to kill the obsession with 5 or 4 generators left, they may be trading one problem for another. Not all killers run something like Dying Light where getting the obsession out of the way provides other benefits. Then, the killer has to weigh which one is more detrimental to their playstyle: the survivors knowing their exact location throughout the game (which the killer may be able to use against them for mind gaming), or the survivors knowing to avoid pallet stuns because of Spirit Fury, knowing whether or not they can heal in the killer's TR due to NC, stuff like that. That's what I was trying to say, but I guess I was wrong and didn't know what I was talking about.
I'm sorry. I was only trying to provide a counterpoint. I apologize. Apparently my brain goes stupid when I'm up past 4am posting on a forum.
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Hey, I'm sorry, I wasn't trying to be hostile or argumentative. I was just noticing that one of the counters players kept mentioning was to tunnel the obsession at the beginning of the game, and I was saying that even if the killer somehow manages to kill the obsession with 5 or 4 generators left, they may be trading one problem for another. Not all killers run something like Dying Light where getting the obsession out of the way provides other benefits. Then, the killer has to weigh which one is more detrimental to their playstyle: the survivors knowing their exact location throughout the game (which the killer may be able to use against them for mind gaming), or the survivors knowing to avoid pallet stuns because of Spirit Fury, knowing whether or not they can heal in the killer's TR due to NC, stuff like that. That's what I was trying to say, but I guess I was wrong and didn't know what I was talking about.
I'm sorry. I was only trying to provide a counterpoint. I apologize. Apparently my brain goes stupid when I'm up past 4am posting on a forum.
No apology necessary, we do tend to get a little heated here at time and you just got caught up in the middle of it so apologies from my side. A lot of the problems with facing swf are just knowing how to counter them and adapt your playstyle.
Most are very easily countered do to how altruistic they are and people need to stop thinking they're some op 4 man swat team when most of the time they're not.
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