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Survivor is unplayable now

The_Crusader
The_Crusader Member Posts: 3,688
edited December 2018 in General Discussions
Seriously.

If the game isn't lagging unbearably then it's just a tunnel fest.

Before you cry "w3lL dun get c@Ught lol" they stil tunnel other survivors to death.

You get penalized if you don't unhook. Plus its not nice to leave someone on the hook. But you have to. Because every killer walks a little bit away from the hook then quickly runs back to tunnel the unhooked guy before he can get away. Game after game after game this is the strategy of every 9 out of 10 killers.

Its absolutely awful for the person being tunneled and its boring as hell for the remaining survivors.

Dont give me "its a legit strategy" approach. Its garbage and has completely ruined one side kf the game.

They need to make some extreme changes to make this playable again. Its only worth it in SWF or playing killer now.
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  • ShyN3ko
    ShyN3ko Member Posts: 1,616

    @The_Crusader said:
    But survivors don't do gens that's the issue. Because either they feel bad about letting someone die on their first hook, or they don't want tk be oenalized for points.

    So the killer walks away from the hook a little bit to bait the survviors to unhook, they do it, then the killer runs backto catch the unhooked survivor becore they can get away.

    Don't give me this garbage about "rush gens" because you have absolutely ZERO control over what other survivors do. Hence ehy I said it's only worth playing in SWF. Plus there's the fact that its just boring.

    And its hard to tell how good the survivor is at looping because they only get 1 chance at it. After the first hook the killer will never let them get away.

    Its a garbage toxic playstyle and its about time people that only played killer stopped making excuses for it. Especially given how much you all complain about how survivors play.

    I play both.
    To play survivor is still fine.
    Gens are boring, but the chases are rly good.
    Dont unhook the survivor to fast.
    Rly, when the killer is near then dont unhook.
    Gen rush is a frustrating thing in High Ranks.
    When you think your teammates arent good.
    Then play killer like Trapper,doctor,freddy or pig.
    And enjoy the tea-bagger by the exit gates.

  • Onionthing
    Onionthing Member Posts: 469
    edited December 2018

    Dear Survivor,

    • Survivors not doing gens is a Survivor problem, not a killer problem.
    • Learning the proper way to escape the hook and duck the killer is part of the learning curve. I'm a killer main, I play survivor with my buddy who is a survivor main. I learned a lot about getting of the hook properly because of him. Likewise I learned how to non-camp hooks and still get kills because of this.
    • Map awareness comes with time in the game, the more you play they better you (should) get at avoiding me.
    • Survivors doing risky unhooks is a survivor problem not a killers.
    • If you weren't running all the darn time, i wouldn't see your scratch marks. Stop running everywhere!
    • Stop hiding in the obvious hiding spots. Seriously.
    • Don't jump in lockers when you hear the chase music play unless you KNOW you can animation block me.
    • I'm not always trying to tunnel you, you just keep getting in my way. If I'm chasing you buddy... GO THE OPPOSITE WAY. Its you own fault if you are trying to body block me injured.
    • I face-palm every time a palette looper slides into me because they are button mashing.
    • I can hear you breathing, I can hear you whimpering ... find something to mask that noise (hint hint)

    That being said, LOW ranked survivors are at at disadvantage because they are (typically) still new at the game. High ranked survivors don't have this problem. TIME is ALWAYS in the survivors favor.

    Post edited by Onionthing on
  • akbays35
    akbays35 Member Posts: 1,123

    @The_Crusader said:
    Seriously.

    If the game isn't lagging unbearably then it's just a tunnel fest.

    Before you cry "w3lL dun get c@Ught lol" they stil tunnel other survivors to death.

    You get penalized if you don't unhook. Plus its not nice to leave someone on the hook. But you have to. Because every killer walks a little bit away from the hook then quickly runs back to tunnel the unhooked guy before he can get away. Game after game after game this is the strategy of every 9 out of 10 killers.

    Its absolutely awful for the person being tunneled and its boring as hell for the remaining survivors.

    Dont give me "its a legit strategy" approach. Its garbage and has completely ruined one side kf the game.

    They need to make some extreme changes to make this playable again. Its only worth it in SWF or playing killer now.

    Borrowed Time and bodyblocking? survivors have tools to prevent tunneling but it takes teamwork and minor effort.

  • Onionthing
    Onionthing Member Posts: 469
    edited December 2018

    @Onionthing none of that is relevant to this conversation at all, none of it is about "getting gud" so take your toxic attitude out of here.

    Lol okay ... I give you tips, you didnt see them, enjoy your day .. im outty... Toxic like an Avenger. PEACE! :)

  • mcNuggets
    mcNuggets Member Posts: 767

    @The_Crusader said:
    Seriously.

    If the game isn't lagging unbearably then it's just a tunnel fest.

    Before you cry "w3lL dun get c@Ught lol" they stil tunnel other survivors to death.

    You get penalized if you don't unhook. Plus its not nice to leave someone on the hook. But you have to. Because every killer walks a little bit away from the hook then quickly runs back to tunnel the unhooked guy before he can get away. Game after game after game this is the strategy of every 9 out of 10 killers.

    Its absolutely awful for the person being tunneled and its boring as hell for the remaining survivors.

    Dont give me "its a legit strategy" approach. Its garbage and has completely ruined one side kf the game.

    They need to make some extreme changes to make this playable again. Its only worth it in SWF or playing killer now.

    I promise you with the right strategy only a leatherface or hillbilly can be a threat with camping.

  • Wolf74
    Wolf74 Member Posts: 2,959

    @The_Crusader said:
    Seriously.

    If the game isn't lagging unbearably then it's just a tunnel fest.

    Before you cry "w3lL dun get c@Ught lol" they stil tunnel other survivors to death.

    You get penalized if you don't unhook. Plus its not nice to leave someone on the hook. But you have to. Because every killer walks a little bit away from the hook then quickly runs back to tunnel the unhooked guy before he can get away. Game after game after game this is the strategy of every 9 out of 10 killers.

    Its absolutely awful for the person being tunneled and its boring as hell for the remaining survivors.

    Dont give me "its a legit strategy" approach. Its garbage and has completely ruined one side kf the game.

    They need to make some extreme changes to make this playable again. Its only worth it in SWF or playing killer now.

    Oh who would have guessed that?
    A survivor main is asking for killer to play stupid.
    Why should a killer NOT tunnel and turn a 4v1 into a 3v1 as soon as possible?
    Why do survivor always think that killer have to care about their "fun"?

  • DemonDaddy
    DemonDaddy Member Posts: 4,167
    Soldier up and accept the challenge. Being on the hook is a moment of tension because it is the most dangerous situation a survivor can be placed in. Arguing that tunneling is the problem makes no sense. When you're in a chase you are supposed to break line of sight and sneak off if you can't do that then you're just running until the killer catches you. Loops are not how you win a Chase they prolong it but they do not win it. Common sense says if the Killer is not already in Chase he's going to come back and get rid of one of the two people he knows is there. Killer is about hunting and reacting to prompts, why keep searching if you already got a notification of where to go? If your answer is FUN, your playing in the wrong game mode.
  • Wolf74
    Wolf74 Member Posts: 2,959

    @The_Crusader said:
    But survivors don't do gens that's the issue. Because either they feel bad about letting someone die on their first hook, or they don't want tk be oenalized for points.

    So the killer walks away from the hook a little bit to bait the survviors to unhook, they do it, then the killer runs backto catch the unhooked survivor becore they can get away.

    Don't give me this garbage about "rush gens" because you have absolutely ZERO control over what other survivors do. Hence ehy I said it's only worth playing in SWF. Plus there's the fact that its just boring.

    And its hard to tell how good the survivor is at looping because they only get 1 chance at it. After the first hook the killer will never let them get away.

    Its a garbage toxic playstyle and its about time people that only played killer stopped making excuses for it. Especially given how much you all complain about how survivors play.

    So you want the killer player to get punished, because your teammates male bad plays?
    How much "fun" would that be for the killer player?
    Does the killer player have a "right" to have "fun" also, or is that exclusive for survivor player?

  • The_Crusader
    The_Crusader Member Posts: 3,688
    akbays35 said:

    @The_Crusader said:
    Seriously.

    If the game isn't lagging unbearably then it's just a tunnel fest.

    Before you cry "w3lL dun get c@Ught lol" they stil tunnel other survivors to death.

    You get penalized if you don't unhook. Plus its not nice to leave someone on the hook. But you have to. Because every killer walks a little bit away from the hook then quickly runs back to tunnel the unhooked guy before he can get away. Game after game after game this is the strategy of every 9 out of 10 killers.

    Its absolutely awful for the person being tunneled and its boring as hell for the remaining survivors.

    Dont give me "its a legit strategy" approach. Its garbage and has completely ruined one side kf the game.

    They need to make some extreme changes to make this playable again. Its only worth it in SWF or playing killer now.

    Borrowed Time and bodyblocking? survivors have tools to prevent tunneling but it takes teamwork and minor effort.

    But killers cry about bodyblocking and borrowed time?

    Besides what use is borrowed time? So they get a short delay on their tunnel hardly stops them. I'm sure the person being tunneled is having a great time being pulled off and tunneled because borrowed time grants them 25 seconds where they can run before dropping dead.

    But let me just add it to the list of perks im supposed to take to counter everything survivors hate i.e kindred to prevent camping, small game to prevent NOED, now borrowed time to delay tunneling.

    Seriously killers hate it when survivors say "just bring x perk" so please don't do it in return.
  • The_Crusader
    The_Crusader Member Posts: 3,688
    edited December 2018
    Wolf74 said:

    @The_Crusader said:
    Seriously.

    If the game isn't lagging unbearably then it's just a tunnel fest.

    Before you cry "w3lL dun get c@Ught lol" they stil tunnel other survivors to death.

    You get penalized if you don't unhook. Plus its not nice to leave someone on the hook. But you have to. Because every killer walks a little bit away from the hook then quickly runs back to tunnel the unhooked guy before he can get away. Game after game after game this is the strategy of every 9 out of 10 killers.

    Its absolutely awful for the person being tunneled and its boring as hell for the remaining survivors.

    Dont give me "its a legit strategy" approach. Its garbage and has completely ruined one side kf the game.

    They need to make some extreme changes to make this playable again. Its only worth it in SWF or playing killer now.

    Oh who would have guessed that?
    A survivor main is asking for killer to play stupid.
    Why should a killer NOT tunnel and turn a 4v1 into a 3v1 as soon as possible?
    Why do survivor always think that killer have to care about their "fun"?

    I'm not a "survivor main" at all pal, but oh who would have guessed the guy who gets uppity whenever theres any talk of killers being toxic or being OP rushes to the defence of tunneling yet again.

    If you need to tunnel you're a bad player fact.

    How about just letting the guy get away from the hook ffs?

    Gets hooked.
    Unhooked as the killers already runninf back, 5-10 seconds later down and hooked again
    Unhooked, 10 seconds later hooked again.

    And you wonder why they disconnect? Because tjat ######### isn't fun. If you're on the hook and you know that the second you get unhooked the killer is going to come running over and knock you down again, wouldnt you just call it a day, disconnect and go to find a better game too?

    You always defend tunneling and make it sound like its the only way to win. That combined with your freddy avatar I can really imagine the way you play. Never steps more than 30m away from the hook, has full tunnel vision for the first person hooked.

    I put someone on the hook then *gasp* go find a new target. It isn't that hard. BBQ is good, but even without that itd easy to find a gen they're on and just go get someone else. The one being unhooked still needs to heal. The ones doing gens are doing gens....makes sense to slow them down and let the other guy have a little break.
  • PhantomMask20763
    PhantomMask20763 Member Posts: 5,176
    You do realize the killer paid for the game too right?? He can play however you want just like you can play however you want. It's not his problem if your teammates aren't doing the objective or you're not having fun. I personally always try to give my survivors a fun match but if they want to play ring around the rosie then fine but dont complain when I start playing in an "unfair" manner. Just play the game how you want and don't hack or cheat. There's always next match :)
  • Wolf74
    Wolf74 Member Posts: 2,959

    @PhantomMask20763 said:
    You do realize the killer paid for the game too right??

    Nono... killer are just meant to be the entertainer.
    They are the partyclowns playing pig-in-the-middle and ring-around-the-rosie with the survivor.

    Actually I still don't get why I have to PAY for killer content?
    All killer content should be FREE.
    Than I could understand that mindset. :P

  • Malakir
    Malakir Member Posts: 799
    Since your OP was chill I would answer in the same manner

    I play mostly egoist I do maybe that's why I survived fairly enough. I do gens 24/7 unless I know 100% he's out of the book and even then I might stick to it missing a skill check on purpose to have his attention like 'hey, I'm gen rushing, come!'

    BT its fine, I never used it aside for few games with randoms who invited me in a party chat and we did some games. That BT gave enough time to the guy take a hit, run straight to the exit gates and billy ended up with 0k since after he hit once the guy he can run and I can fake on additional damage because I'll body block the killer. Happened some times during my swf experience

    While I play alone I just gen rush and take the guy to a tour to pallet town, even if I suck at looping I can manage to waste some time. Between 30s and 1+min which is equal at on gen. the problems with tunneling I've seen come from the survivor side, making dumb saves when the guy is around (even warning them spamming the koebe) or Insta unhooks

    Rarely I see face camps and tunneling is mostly caused by my fellow mates. I have to admit I have improved my chase skills for that reason, still a problem I have with survivors tho, no much about killer. One of the reasons why I run adrenaline and urban evasion, the first to run like hell when unhooked and gens finished the second to hide fast if not

    I might be wrong but that's why I don't see tunneling such an issue or at least not on killer side. I tunnel gens all day even after they kick them so, its just more efficient
  • Mister_xD
    Mister_xD Member Posts: 7,669

    this seems like a you issue.
    survivor is still the superiour role in this game.
    also, and this may sound harsh now, the guy who got downed first would actually deserve this treatment. he is the first one out of 4 to fail, so he should not even start compalining about the killer killing him first. all he should do is getting better and not being the one who gets downed first next time. period.
    besides that, what is your interpretation of "tunneling"? i mean, literally every time where a killer does not switch targets once he has hit one survivor would be tunneling this survivor down.
    i guess everyone is a tunneler then?

    apart from that, i have to make a confession: i am a tunneler too. i always tunnel the rescuer, instead of the rescued player. i am very sorry, and i will correct my mistake, by seeing both survivors as equal rivals, not giving a ######### of who i actually chase.

  • Maelstrom1313
    Maelstrom1313 Member Posts: 230

    Lol you must be getting ######### on so much then match making wise with who you play against as hardly any of my matches with randoms are like that think it's 2 outta every 15 matches where what you descirbed happens so playing survivor is still playable and I play both killer an survivor an equal amount an as far as message above ifnyou feel that strongly about it well you know what you can do 😉 instead crying and bitching about it

  • Onionthing
    Onionthing Member Posts: 469
    edited December 2018

    @The_Crusader said:
    Another camping game. Literally 95% of games ive had today 

    A hag who places 10 traps around a hook and then facecamps anyway. Left to rush gens with 1 other guy while some idiot sits there gawping at the killer as if they're going to leave.

    Then hag cleans up with noed at the end because with only 2 of us we didnt have time to cleanse totems.

    [BAD WORD] you behaviour. [BAD WORD] your community. [BAD WORD] your game. I'm done. You pretend you care about fun then leave something as stupid as NOED in the game which enables this #########.

    [BAD WORD] off.

    In short: "Play my way, not your way, PLAY MY WAY!"
    I think you should take a break and play some single player games. If interacting with ("toxic") people does this to you, i fear for your health and well being.

  • Wolf74
    Wolf74 Member Posts: 2,959

    @Onionthing said:

    @The_Crusader said:
    Another camping game. Literally 95% of games ive had today 

    A hag who places 10 traps around a hook and then facecamps anyway. Left to rush gens with 1 other guy while some idiot sits there gawping at the killer as if they're going to leave.

    Then hag cleans up with noed at the end because with only 2 of us we didnt have time to cleanse totems.

    [BAD WORD] you behaviour. [BAD WORD] your community. [BAD WORD] your game. I'm done. You pretend you care about fun then leave something as stupid as NOED in the game which enables this #########.

    [BAD WORD] off.

    In short: "Play my way, not your way, PLAY MY WAY!"
    I think you should take a break and play some single player games. If interacting with ("toxic") people does this to you, i fear for your health and well being.

    That's basically every survivor complain.
    Survivor want killer to play stupid and by their set of made up rules.

  • mcNuggets
    mcNuggets Member Posts: 767

    Survivor is basically the easy mode of the game lol.
    Only problem is the queue times, the lag ingame etc.

  • Wolf74
    Wolf74 Member Posts: 2,959

    @The_Crusader
    If you are not the one that got caught first, do gens… "punish the killer"... enjoy the free escape … jump into the next match.

    And I stop asking for killer buffs, when we reached a balance state of the game.

    Pretty plz stop lying to yourself; every complain about "camping and tunneling" is a cry to Devs to "fix it".
    Just look at the upcoming patch. A killer that has trouble actually down someone. An anti-tunneling killer, because survivor asked for it.

    How do you want to remove "tunneling and camping" without crippling the killer and just downright FORCE them (with ingame mechanics) to play stupid and unefficient?
    If you actually outright deny that there is ever a legal situation where tunneling and camping is a necessary tactic, we can stop right here and we just admit that you just want more safety nets and training wheels.

  • Wolf74
    Wolf74 Member Posts: 2,959

    @The_Crusader said:

    The rush gens, I explained above. If survviord rush gens

    1) we get penalized in points for not unhooking

    2) its not nice for the guy on the hook

    3) its boring doing gens and feels bad leaving the guy on the hook without helping

    So... in a nutshell:
    You do not enjoy the game! Period.

    Go play another game... try Civ 6... Mat (The Dev) suggested it heartly to all player who get tired from Dbd and need a break.
    (I am playing a lot of Overwatch atm)

  • DarkGGhost
    DarkGGhost Member Posts: 1,072

    @The_Crusader so just because one survivor don't have we need to nerf killer in to the ground or is like the survivor buy the game to play it no say in the hook, oh wait killer buy the game to so he want to play the game as he like and have fun.

  • Wolf74
    Wolf74 Member Posts: 2,959

    @DarkGGhost said:
    @The_Crusader so just because one survivor don't have we need to nerf killer in to the ground or is like the survivor buy the game to play it no say in the hook, oh wait killer buy the game to so he want to play the game as he like and have fun.

    100% right.

    The day survivor pay my stuff to make me play killer, they can tell me how i have to play.

  • The_Crusader
    The_Crusader Member Posts: 3,688
    Malakir said:
    Since your OP was chill I would answer in the same manner

    I play mostly egoist I do maybe that's why I survived fairly enough. I do gens 24/7 unless I know 100% he's out of the book and even then I might stick to it missing a skill check on purpose to have his attention like 'hey, I'm gen rushing, come!'

    BT its fine, I never used it aside for few games with randoms who invited me in a party chat and we did some games. That BT gave enough time to the guy take a hit, run straight to the exit gates and billy ended up with 0k since after he hit once the guy he can run and I can fake on additional damage because I'll body block the killer. Happened some times during my swf experience

    While I play alone I just gen rush and take the guy to a tour to pallet town, even if I suck at looping I can manage to waste some time. Between 30s and 1+min which is equal at on gen. the problems with tunneling I've seen come from the survivor side, making dumb saves when the guy is around (even warning them spamming the koebe) or Insta unhooks

    Rarely I see face camps and tunneling is mostly caused by my fellow mates. I have to admit I have improved my chase skills for that reason, still a problem I have with survivors tho, no much about killer. One of the reasons why I run adrenaline and urban evasion, the first to run like hell when unhooked and gens finished the second to hide fast if not

    I might be wrong but that's why I don't see tunneling such an issue or at least not on killer side. I tunnel gens all day even after they kick them so, its just more efficient
    Let me try to give you an example of how these games usually go...

    - Someone gets hooked

    - If I'm nearby I pop over to unhook

    - I see the killer doing a little patrol. I give him time to see if he walks away

    - I now see my teammates come along and all 3 of us are sat in the bushes waiting (I always use Bond)

    - I realize the killer has no intention of leaving and that none of us are doing gens

    - I go back and do gens. Other two sit near the hook waiting for the killer to leave the area.

    - They realize he isn't going to leave so they rush in for the unhook anyway.

    - They take a hit, unhook, killer immediately downs the unhooked survivor and hooks again

    - Repeat until end of game.

    And that's a good scenario. In a bad one he gets both survivors down at the unhook, especially if it's a Myers.

    - If we're facing a Pig, Trapper or Spirit I don't even bother going to the hook because I know it's pretty much guarenteed they won't leave the area. So I let someone else do it and when they always take a hit shortly before unhook I know that yes the killer hasn't left that area.


    So you've got killers who won't step more than 20m away from the hook and survivors who get impatient and rush in for the unhook anyway (none of them have Borrowed Time).

    So the game becomes me leaving the guy on the hook while the team basically farms him as if they could ever get him away safely while I spend my game holding M1 hoping I can get the gens done before everyone else is dead.

    That's it. Game after game after game.

    To top it off sometimes I get salt at the end for "not doing anything" even though I do almost all of the gens myself. Like what am I meant to do? Run in and unhook and help the killer skip the sacrifice timer?
  • Malakir
    Malakir Member Posts: 799
    edited December 2018
    The_Crusader said:
    Malakir said:
    Since your OP was chill I would answer in the same manner

    I play mostly egoist I do maybe that's why I survived fairly enough. I do gens 24/7 unless I know 100% he's out of the book and even then I might stick to it missing a skill check on purpose to have his attention like 'hey, I'm gen rushing, come!'

    BT its fine, I never used it aside for few games with randoms who invited me in a party chat and we did some games. That BT gave enough time to the guy take a hit, run straight to the exit gates and billy ended up with 0k since after he hit once the guy he can run and I can fake on additional damage because I'll body block the killer. Happened some times during my swf experience

    While I play alone I just gen rush and take the guy to a tour to pallet town, even if I suck at looping I can manage to waste some time. Between 30s and 1+min which is equal at on gen. the problems with tunneling I've seen come from the survivor side, making dumb saves when the guy is around (even warning them spamming the koebe) or Insta unhooks

    Rarely I see face camps and tunneling is mostly caused by my fellow mates. I have to admit I have improved my chase skills for that reason, still a problem I have with survivors tho, no much about killer. One of the reasons why I run adrenaline and urban evasion, the first to run like hell when unhooked and gens finished the second to hide fast if not

    I might be wrong but that's why I don't see tunneling such an issue or at least not on killer side. I tunnel gens all day even after they kick them so, its just more efficient
    Let me try to give you an example of how these games usually go...

    - Someone gets hooked

    - If I'm nearby I pop over to unhook

    - I see the killer doing a little patrol. I give him time to see if he walks away

    - I now see my teammates come along and all 3 of us are sat in the bushes waiting (I always use Bond)

    - I realize the killer has no intention of leaving and that none of us are doing gens

    - I go back and do gens. Other two sit near the hook waiting for the killer to leave the area.

    - They realize he isn't going to leave so they rush in for the unhook anyway.

    - They take a hit, unhook, killer immediately downs the unhooked survivor and hooks again

    - Repeat until end of game.

    And that's a good scenario. In a bad one he gets both survivors down at the unhook, especially if it's a Myers.

    - If we're facing a Pig, Trapper or Spirit I don't even bother going to the hook because I know it's pretty much guarenteed they won't leave the area. So I let someone else do it and when they always take a hit shortly before unhook I know that yes the killer hasn't left that area.


    So you've got killers who won't step more than 20m away from the hook and survivors who get impatient and rush in for the unhook anyway (none of them have Borrowed Time).

    So the game becomes me leaving the guy on the hook while the team basically farms him as if they could ever get him away safely while I spend my game holding M1 hoping I can get the gens done before everyone else is dead.

    That's it. Game after game after game.

    To top it off sometimes I get salt at the end for "not doing anything" even though I do almost all of the gens myself. Like what am I meant to do? Run in and unhook and help the killer skip the sacrifice timer?
    I think I said that on my post if not I'll sy it now
    Be egoist I, do 2 gens and leave through the hatch. Sometimes I get the scenarios you described, SOMETIMES key word. In 5 games I survive on average 3 times and I'm not even close good as many other survivors I met or are in this forum

    Still, I will blame the survivors in this scenarios you described too. I lost count of how many times I looped the killer for 3 gens and be hooked and saved or lose him and see another guy be chased for 10s and downed. I still blame the survivors

    Get the gens done, play more stealthy to get evader points and leave when your mates die. That's it. I think its unfair point out the killer for staying on the book when other 2 guys are around and eventually get punished for their bad plays

    People are salty? Welcome to online gaming. Every game as killer I get called names 24/7 even if I leave the hook right after every time but since they unhook next to me and I react I get called camper. People are stupid, don't bother on what they say

    I survive more often than I die even with crappy survivors but sometimes you can have bad games, happens. The problem I think is the flawed ranked system that make stupid people rank up easily and ruining games, as I always say survivors worst enemies are survivors

    If you want I'll post a video in a few. Its just rank 6ish if I'm not wrong but still valuable. I haven't played much lately, if you're interested to actually see wat I mean when I get back to rank 1 I'll record it
  • Wolf74
    Wolf74 Member Posts: 2,959

    @The_Crusader said:

    Let me try to give you an example of how these games usually go...

    • Someone gets hooked

    • If I'm nearby I pop over to unhook

    • I see the killer doing a little patrol. I give him time to see if he walks away

    • I now see my teammates come along and all 3 of us are sat in the bushes waiting (I always use Bond)

    • I realize the killer has no intention of leaving and that none of us are doing gens

    • I go back and do gens. Other two sit near the hook waiting for the killer to leave the area.

    • They realize he isn't going to leave so they rush in for the unhook anyway.

    • They take a hit, unhook, killer immediately downs the unhooked survivor and hooks again

    • Repeat until end of game.

    So, the camper camps the victim and the survivor camp the camper.^^

    Thanks for supporting my point of view.
    The survivor play bad, like really bad, but you want them to win anyway.
    They can play like stupid idiots, but you want the killer to get punished for their bad decisions.

    So tell me again, who is toxic here?

  • The_Crusader
    The_Crusader Member Posts: 3,688
    @Malakir

    i used to do that the 2 gens and hatch. Still do but it's soooo boring now. Thats all every game came down to. Me sneaking around for 10 mins trying to find the hatch.

    Gets even worse when killers slug,and then you have some survivors who will crawl to you ratting out your location.

    On top of that if the killer finds the hatch first they'll cause a hatch standoff. Or just stand on the hatch entirely.

    When the game comes down to that it isn't worth playing anymore. Even in a best case scenario where I get the hatch its still an extremely dull endgame due to the above reasons. Survivor outside of SWF is just not an enjoyable game and I'm done with it.

    @Wolf74

    God what is it with you? Killers are ALWAYS perfect in your eyes, they can do no wrong!

    The survivors are stupid to run for the unhook yes but its the killers fault for not leaving the hook in the first place.

    But god forbid these people want to unhook someone and help them enjoy the game. I can see why you play killer now, you clearly lack any kind of empathy for other people.

    Lets not forget that because lf how the stupid system works survivors actually LOSE points when another survivor is hooked. The only way they can earn this back is by unhooking.

    So no pal, it's the killers who are toxic. Theu sit there refusing to put any effort into the game and even if survivors rush gens they can't pip due to losing benevolence points and getting no evader points.

    Keep defending it though. Really showing your true colours.
  • Wolf74
    Wolf74 Member Posts: 2,959

    @The_Crusader said:

    @Wolf74

    God what is it with you? Killers are ALWAYS perfect in your eyes, they can do no wrong!

    The survivors are stupid to run for the unhook yes but its the killers fault for not leaving the hook in the first place.

    But god forbid these people want to unhook someone and help them enjoy the game. I can see why you play killer now, you clearly lack any kind of empathy for other people.

    Lets not forget that because lf how the stupid system works survivors actually LOSE points when another survivor is hooked. The only way they can earn this back is by unhooking.

    So no pal, it's the killers who are toxic. Theu sit there refusing to put any effort into the game and even if survivors rush gens they can't pip due to losing benevolence points and getting no evader points.

    Keep defending it though. Really showing your true colours.

    You do not know jack about me, so stop judging me.
    You could not be further from the truth, but I refuse to go that route and defend myself here against your personal attacks.

    You just use an ad hominem to attack me, to cover up your weak arguments.
    The killer can play how he wants. There is no right to unhook or get unhooked. Your enjoyment is something the killer is obliged to take care of.

    And talking about your precious empathy: are you aware that the killer PLAYER are also human beings?
    They are not just there to take care about YOUR "fun", but they themself are actually playing a videogame for THEIR enjoyment.
    so stop asking for more punishments for legal gameplays.

  • Malakir
    Malakir Member Posts: 799
    edited December 2018
    The_Crusader said:
    @Malakir

    i used to do that the 2 gens and hatch. Still do but it's soooo boring now. Thats all every game came down to. Me sneaking around for 10 mins trying to find the hatch.

    Gets even worse when killers slug,and then you have some survivors who will crawl to you ratting out your location.

    On top of that if the killer finds the hatch first they'll cause a hatch standoff. Or just stand on the hatch entirely.

    When the game comes down to that it isn't worth playing anymore. Even in a best case scenario where I get the hatch its still an extremely dull endgame due to the above reasons. Survivor outside of SWF is just not an enjoyable game and I'm done with it.

    @Wolf74

    God what is it with you? Killers are ALWAYS perfect in your eyes, they can do no wrong!

    The survivors are stupid to run for the unhook yes but its the killers fault for not leaving the hook in the first place.

    But god forbid these people want to unhook someone and help them enjoy the game. I can see why you play killer now, you clearly lack any kind of empathy for other people.

    Lets not forget that because lf how the stupid system works survivors actually LOSE points when another survivor is hooked. The only way they can earn this back is by unhooking.

    So no pal, it's the killers who are toxic. Theu sit there refusing to put any effort into the game and even if survivors rush gens they can't pip due to losing benevolence points and getting no evader points.

    Keep defending it though. Really showing your true colours.
    Then switch it up. End game sucks in general, it needs a rework for both sides, for now is just flawed

    I'll stick playing mostly survivor since its easier for me and I love Feng so damn much. Still, maybe you're just burnt out. I haven't seen many Stand offs lately and actually improving escaping way more getting more BP than the killer more often

    When I'll upload the video I can show you what I mean by just playing abusing your mates in a way or another. for now I think you should play killer and look how solos play in that prospective

    Still, my idea won't change much. I think on of the problems is how easy bad survivors can climb (me included to some extent) and that lead in bad experiences for others

    Edit: anyway wolf isn't wrong. I play spirit most of the time and I leave the hook to apply pressure, the thing is often I see super altruistic people insta save the guy not giving me even the time to phase away.. At red ranks. Ofc I'm gonna take down the guy and chase the farmer, even then I get called camper when I the farmer the problem

    One of many reasons why I play survivor in a bitchy way
  • The_Crusader
    The_Crusader Member Posts: 3,688
    Wolf74 said:

    @The_Crusader said:

    @Wolf74

    God what is it with you? Killers are ALWAYS perfect in your eyes, they can do no wrong!

    The survivors are stupid to run for the unhook yes but its the killers fault for not leaving the hook in the first place.

    But god forbid these people want to unhook someone and help them enjoy the game. I can see why you play killer now, you clearly lack any kind of empathy for other people.

    Lets not forget that because lf how the stupid system works survivors actually LOSE points when another survivor is hooked. The only way they can earn this back is by unhooking.

    So no pal, it's the killers who are toxic. Theu sit there refusing to put any effort into the game and even if survivors rush gens they can't pip due to losing benevolence points and getting no evader points.

    Keep defending it though. Really showing your true colours.

    You do not know jack about me, so stop judging me.
    You could not be further from the truth, but I refuse to go that route and defend myself here against your personal attacks.

    You just use an ad hominem to attack me, to cover up your weak arguments.
    The killer can play how he wants. There is no right to unhook or get unhooked. Your enjoyment is something the killer is obliged to take care of.

    And talking about your precious empathy: are you aware that the killer PLAYER are also human beings?
    They are not just there to take care about YOUR "fun", but they themself are actually playing a videogame for THEIR enjoyment.
    so stop asking for more punishments for legal gameplays.

    Why are you getting so defensive again?

    Perdonal attacks? Its you giving them out. You just called those survivors "stupid idiots". Maybe they're forced to unhook to get their benevolence points back?

    Yoi do this time and time again. You start throwing out insults, get called out on it then start playing the victim and reporting posts. It's really sad. If you're going to throw tantrums then lets not bother speaking.

    Besides I never called for punishments. I just want more done to persuade healthier playstyles. Csmping has been looked down upon in every game ever since gaming first began. I've never seen a game like DBD however where it happens in 90%+ of gamed on somedays. It's out of control and if you don't think it's unhealthy for the long term health of the game then I don't know what to tell you.
  • The_Crusader
    The_Crusader Member Posts: 3,688
    Malakir said:
    The_Crusader said:
    @Malakir

    i used to do that the 2 gens and hatch. Still do but it's soooo boring now. Thats all every game came down to. Me sneaking around for 10 mins trying to find the hatch.

    Gets even worse when killers slug,and then you have some survivors who will crawl to you ratting out your location.

    On top of that if the killer finds the hatch first they'll cause a hatch standoff. Or just stand on the hatch entirely.

    When the game comes down to that it isn't worth playing anymore. Even in a best case scenario where I get the hatch its still an extremely dull endgame due to the above reasons. Survivor outside of SWF is just not an enjoyable game and I'm done with it.

    @Wolf74

    God what is it with you? Killers are ALWAYS perfect in your eyes, they can do no wrong!

    The survivors are stupid to run for the unhook yes but its the killers fault for not leaving the hook in the first place.

    But god forbid these people want to unhook someone and help them enjoy the game. I can see why you play killer now, you clearly lack any kind of empathy for other people.

    Lets not forget that because lf how the stupid system works survivors actually LOSE points when another survivor is hooked. The only way they can earn this back is by unhooking.

    So no pal, it's the killers who are toxic. Theu sit there refusing to put any effort into the game and even if survivors rush gens they can't pip due to losing benevolence points and getting no evader points.

    Keep defending it though. Really showing your true colours.
    Then switch it up. End game sucks in general, it needs a rework for both sides, for now is just flawed

    I'll stick playing mostly survivor since its easier for me and I love Feng so damn much. Still, maybe you're just burnt out. I haven't seen many Stand offs lately and actually improving escaping way more getting more BP than the killer more often

    When I'll upload the video I can show you what I mean by just playing abusing your mates in a way or another. for now I think you should play killer and look how solos play in that prospective

    Still, my idea won't change much. I think on of the problems is how easy bad survivors can climb (me included to some extent) and that lead in bad experiences for others
    Yes please upload the video.

    Personally I'm fed up of sitting holding M1 uninterrupted then having to sneak around for 5 mins to look for a hatch and end up having a 10 minute standoff to get it. I'm sick of having to either wait for the other guy to bleed out becauzd the killer is following so i cant even heal him or having to run because hes crawling to show the killer my location.

    Im honestly done with survivor. I'm pissed off because I bought cosmetics for Feng and now I can't use them but survivor outside of SWF is just a bad game in general in ny opinion. It used to be fun but this weekend really sucked the fun out of it.

    Its funny when you click their steam profiles though. People have left comments and its just a wall of "-rep camper" all over it. If we had the ability to see that befofe the game then I'd have lobby dodged.
  • Wolf74
    Wolf74 Member Posts: 2,959

    @Malakir said:

    Edit: anyway wolf isn't wrong. I play spirit most of the time and I leave the hook to apply pressure, the thing is often I see super altruistic people insta save the guy not giving me even the time to phase away.. At red ranks. Ofc I'm gonna take down the guy and chase the farmer, even then I get called camper when I the farmer the problem

    Exactly.
    But people like Crusader want gamemechanics to protect survivor doing stupid plays.
    And so many survivor player complain about this, that the Devs start to cave in.
    Exhaustion relief from a rusty hook through the shoulder.
    Invulnerability against attacks "until you are in control again".
    Next is the BT buff coming up.
    Tons of mechanics that will encourage the survivor to do bad plays and feed the camper, making camping even more viable than it is.
    IF the guy gets so many buffs after he got unhooked, maybe it's better to make sure that does NOT happen.
    But survivor player call that logic "toxic".
    And they are so stubborn and blind that any other solution is bad.
    Why not give permanent debuffs to action speed for each hook the survivor takes?
    THAT would be a good reason to leave, because that survivor already got weaker and the killer would benefit more from hooking another one.
    But that is not even seen as an option, because it would be a debuff to survivor.

  • Orion
    Orion Member Posts: 21,675

    @The_Crusader said:
    Maybe it's killers who should have debuffs. Slow doen the sacrifice timer if they're stood too close to the hook for too long. Oh whats that you think thats a really dumb idea? No worse than your ides about survivors having a permanent debuff for every hook.

    Only one of those ideas has been tried, and it was objectively proven to be a really dumb idea. Can you guess which one it was?

  • Malakir
    Malakir Member Posts: 799

    @Wolf74 said:

    @Malakir said:

    Edit: anyway wolf isn't wrong. I play spirit most of the time and I leave the hook to apply pressure, the thing is often I see super altruistic people insta save the guy not giving me even the time to phase away.. At red ranks. Ofc I'm gonna take down the guy and chase the farmer, even then I get called camper when I the farmer the problem

    Exactly.
    But people like Crusader want gamemechanics to protect survivor doing stupid plays.
    And so many survivor player complain about this, that the Devs start to cave in.
    Exhaustion relief from a rusty hook through the shoulder.
    Invulnerability against attacks "until you are in control again".
    Next is the BT buff coming up.
    Tons of mechanics that will encourage the survivor to do bad plays and feed the camper, making camping even more viable than it is.
    IF the guy gets so many buffs after he got unhooked, maybe it's better to make sure that does NOT happen.
    But survivor player call that logic "toxic".
    And they are so stubborn and blind that any other solution is bad.
    Why not give permanent debuffs to action speed for each hook the survivor takes?
    THAT would be a good reason to leave, because that survivor already got weaker and the killer would benefit more from hooking another one.
    But that is not even seen as an option, because it would be a debuff to survivor.

    I know but you and crusader are going waaay too harsh on comments. Sounds hypocrite since I did it too on Crusader before, he knows well about it. Still, I even made a thread about the new buffs knowing after the patch a camper fest would happen

    I'm so close to restart my youtube channel just to talk about DbD and how bad and good has this game. Because I love this game and wanna see it improve.

    Anyway buff survivors or buff killer randomly is bad, like the next patch is utterly dumb, wound state that won't decrease, even in some extent, just to make chases 24/7 with no hooks in the sake of "fun", or at least what the devs think is fun for them. Bad plays endorsed by these changes, bad mentality of not adapting and pointing out the big bad guy instead of your team mate that's farming you and so on

    Survivors NEED stuff to protect themselves from the killer but I think also from randoms too. I play a lot of survivor compared to killer but I love both sides equally, what I've noticed is being survivor is frustrating only by other survivors. The rare occasions I get camped, I'm not frustrated to be camped, I'm frustrated to see 3 people crouching around the hook doing nothing. Farming me or body blocking me even by mistake.
    As Killer ofc i'm gonna go for the injured one, its the smart decision, even just slug him and chase the savior since the guy is on the floor and won't do much forcing one of the two remaining to come and save the guy on the ground while I apply pressure on the other and just by that 3 people are off the gens.

    Even doing that some survivors would call you camper even if its their own team mate that did a bad play, a lot of time I tried to explain this, via msgs after receiving hate mails, even by voice coms after the game explaining these things to them but many people won't understand. The crusader now might just be burned out by several bad experiences and might trying to point to an escape goat, its what people do in every occasion not only in a videogame. Still, as a community we should stop pointing out to each other and actually be loud enough and make devs listen

  • Wolf74
    Wolf74 Member Posts: 2,959

    @The_Crusader said:
    And you defend killers doing lazy plays. Pallets have been reduced, window vaults changed, healing time increased......but killers can't be bothered chasing oh no.

    They still sit next to a hook and wait for the guy to die it's a win/win for the killer. Either they come to him and he gets to hit them, or they rush gens which means they get no benevolence points and no evader points - and I do think some of these killers are like that, just out to ruin the game for everyone elsd.

    Maybe it's killers who should have debuffs. Slow doen the sacrifice timer if they're stood too close to the hook for too long. Oh whats that you think thats a really dumb idea? No worse than your ides about survivors having a permanent debuff for every hook.

    Oh and lmfao if you're actually conplaining about this...

    "Invulnerability against attacks "until you are in control again"."

    Yeah god forbid a survivor can't be hit beofre they can even control their character.

    Again, survivor bias, you only take a snapshot of the action.
    The killer already did all the work. The survivor did not jump on the hook by himself, the killer brought him there. So stop calling people "lazy" after their work has been done.

    Next,:
    -Pallets haven't been reduced, that's a survivor myth that has never been true
    -you complain about vault changes and heal slows, that had been BALANCING decisions. Yes, I know, you do not like balance at all, but if you go up against this, you just show that you do not care for balance. What's next? Defending the old infinites?
    -the killer does not have to take care about you getting your points

    And finally, at least you come clean about things now, "Punishment for camper".
    But oh no, you do not want the killer to get punished, right?
    But still you ask for the old mechanic that was tested TWICE and always got abused by …. 'drumroll' … survivor!^^

  • Malakir
    Malakir Member Posts: 799

    @The_Crusader said:
    Malakir said:


    The_Crusader said:

    @Malakir

    i used to do that the 2 gens and hatch. Still do but it's soooo boring now. Thats all every game came down to. Me sneaking around for 10 mins trying to find the hatch.

    Gets even worse when killers slug,and then you have some survivors who will crawl to you ratting out your location.

    On top of that if the killer finds the hatch first they'll cause a hatch standoff. Or just stand on the hatch entirely.

    When the game comes down to that it isn't worth playing anymore. Even in a best case scenario where I get the hatch its still an extremely dull endgame due to the above reasons. Survivor outside of SWF is just not an enjoyable game and I'm done with it.

    @Wolf74

    God what is it with you? Killers are ALWAYS perfect in your eyes, they can do no wrong!

    The survivors are stupid to run for the unhook yes but its the killers fault for not leaving the hook in the first place.

    But god forbid these people want to unhook someone and help them enjoy the game. I can see why you play killer now, you clearly lack any kind of empathy for other people.

    Lets not forget that because lf how the stupid system works survivors actually LOSE points when another survivor is hooked. The only way they can earn this back is by unhooking.

    So no pal, it's the killers who are toxic. Theu sit there refusing to put any effort into the game and even if survivors rush gens they can't pip due to losing benevolence points and getting no evader points.

    Keep defending it though. Really showing your true colours.

    Then switch it up. End game sucks in general, it needs a rework for both sides, for now is just flawed

    I'll stick playing mostly survivor since its easier for me and I love Feng so damn much. Still, maybe you're just burnt out. I haven't seen many Stand offs lately and actually improving escaping way more getting more BP than the killer more often

    When I'll upload the video I can show you what I mean by just playing abusing your mates in a way or another. for now I think you should play killer and look how solos play in that prospective

    Still, my idea won't change much. I think on of the problems is how easy bad survivors can climb (me included to some extent) and that lead in bad experiences for others

    Yes please upload the video.

    Personally I'm fed up of sitting holding M1 uninterrupted then having to sneak around for 5 mins to look for a hatch and end up having a 10 minute standoff to get it. I'm sick of having to either wait for the other guy to bleed out becauzd the killer is following so i cant even heal him or having to run because hes crawling to show the killer my location.

    Im honestly done with survivor. I'm pissed off because I bought cosmetics for Feng and now I can't use them but survivor outside of SWF is just a bad game in general in ny opinion. It used to be fun but this weekend really sucked the fun out of it.

    Its funny when you click their steam profiles though. People have left comments and its just a wall of "-rep camper" all over it. If we had the ability to see that befofe the game then I'd have lobby dodged.

    Okay dude, Would take a little bit since my pc is kinda ######### and take a while rendering etc. Its a bit old footages but shows how you can just abuse the killer giving a lot of time to the others do gens and in the other one how to make escapes even doing few gens if you choose wisely. As said I'm not a good player like many others are but like in 10 games I survive more than 5 on average. Often 3 games in a row i'm fine while the next we get 1 and a half gen and die. Happens, survivors ain't that smart sometimes and I really need to unlock bond but I'm afraid to cringe even more since when I'm on hook I see dwight mains in lockers 24/7

  • The_Crusader
    The_Crusader Member Posts: 3,688
    @Malakir

    "The rare occasions I get camped, I'm not frustrated to be camped, I'm frustrated to see 3 people crouching around the hook doing nothing"

    Yes this happens so much. It would be nice to have kindred but then that becomes another mandatory perk. Plus when I have taken it, it doesn't even seem to make a difference most of the time lol

    @Wolf74 pallet changes are a myth? :lol:

    I watched a video of footage from around a year sgo last night. It was absolutely insane the amount of pallets the guy had to get through. With pallet vaccum gone and pallet changes killer has never been easier. Don't believe me? Go watch some old footage yourself. Pallets are definitely more spread out now.
  • Orion
    Orion Member Posts: 21,675

    @The_Crusader said:
    @Malakir

    "The rare occasions I get camped, I'm not frustrated to be camped, I'm frustrated to see 3 people crouching around the hook doing nothing"

    Yes this happens so much. It would be nice to have kindred but then that becomes another mandatory perk. Plus when I have taken it, it doesn't even seem to make a difference most of the time lol

    @Wolf74 pallet changes are a myth? :lol:

    I watched a video of footage from around a year sgo last night. It was absolutely insane the amount of pallets the guy had to get through. With pallet vaccum gone and pallet changes killer has never been easier. Don't believe me? Go watch some old footage yourself. Pallets are definitely more spread out now.

    You said there were fewer pallets; not that they were more spread out. "Fewer pallets" is a Survivor myth.

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