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Why does BBQ deserve a buff
But as soon as BBQ gets a slight nerf killers lose their minds!
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No one's asking for a BBQ buff, we're saying the locker aura block is gonna be bad for the games health. Also, WGLF is far from useless, it's literally a perk I never take of because of all the extra BP's it gives.
I don't think you are seeing the ramifications of this aura blocking on the game if it goes through.
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There are multiple post asking for BBQ buffs in case you didn’t notice.Blueberry said:No one's asking for a BBQ buff, we're saying the locker aura block is gonna be bad for the games health. Also, WGLF is far from useless, it's literally a perk I never take of because of all the extra BP's it gives.
I don't think you are seeing the ramifications of this aura blocking on the game if it goes through.
So if WGLF is far from useless that makes BBQ even further from useless as you not only get the benefits of WGLF but also potential auras.
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Ask for a realistic WGLF buff, then? I don't believe a soul is stopping you.
IIRC WGLF was adjusted because it encouraged unhooking people directly in front of a killer, and other potato tactics, though.Killers need to have fun, or at the least feel like they're accomplishing something in the face of the crap survivors put them through (Especially SWF having fun at the killer's expense), and it's only going to get worse with the new survivor and aura blocker lockers.
So, yeah, why not make a perk better towards this goal?3 -
There just seems to be so much rant after one measley nerf to BBQ and everyone is losing their minds. Meanwhile, survivors are still farming teammates with WGLF and just adding BT to not lose the points.Rebel_Raven said:Ask for a realistic WGLF buff, then? I don't believe a soul is stopping you.
IIRC WGLF was adjusted because it encouraged unhooking people directly in front of a killer, and other potato tactics, though.Killers need to have fun, or at the least feel like they're accomplishing something in the face of the crap survivors put them through (Especially SWF having fun at the killer's expense), and it's only going to get worse with the new survivor and aura blocker lockers.
So, yeah, why not make a perk better towards this goal?3 -
@Speshul_Kitten said:
Rebel_Raven said:Ask for a realistic WGLF buff, then? I don't believe a soul is stopping you.
IIRC WGLF was adjusted because it encouraged unhooking people directly in front of a killer, and other potato tactics, though.
Killers need to have fun, or at the least feel like they're accomplishing something in the face of the crap survivors put them through (Especially SWF having fun at the killer's expense), and it's only going to get worse with the new survivor and aura blocker lockers.
So, yeah, why not make a perk better towards this goal?
There just seems to be so much rant after one measley nerf to BBQ and everyone is losing their minds. Meanwhile, survivors are still farming teammates with WGLF and just adding BT to not lose the points.
It seems minuscule to you because you aren't seeing what it will cause. I always leave hook for a bbq target unless i see a survivor or scratchmarks by the hook. After this change when I see no one with bbq I'm going to assume they are around the hook and not leave. This change literally discourages me from playing a way that makes the game more fun for all. This change is going to make camping skyrocket.
Also in regards to your other comment. it's 4 perks vs 16 perks, that's why WGLF isn't completely equal to BBQ. You as a sole survivor are not supposed to be equal to the killer in a 1v4.
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If you’re using the “it’s 4 VS 16 perks argument” I’m jus tgoing to stop trying to reason with you. You should know why, if not then I’m sorry you need to take some survivor education classes.Blueberry said:@Speshul_Kitten said:
Rebel_Raven said:Ask for a realistic WGLF buff, then? I don't believe a soul is stopping you.
IIRC WGLF was adjusted because it encouraged unhooking people directly in front of a killer, and other potato tactics, though.
Killers need to have fun, or at the least feel like they're accomplishing something in the face of the crap survivors put them through (Especially SWF having fun at the killer's expense), and it's only going to get worse with the new survivor and aura blocker lockers.
So, yeah, why not make a perk better towards this goal?
There just seems to be so much rant after one measley nerf to BBQ and everyone is losing their minds. Meanwhile, survivors are still farming teammates with WGLF and just adding BT to not lose the points.
It seems minuscule to you because you aren't seeing what it will cause. I always leave hook for a bbq target unless i see a survivor or scratchmarks by the hook. After this change when I see no one with bbq I'm going to assume they are around the hook and not leave. This change literally discourages me from playing a way that makes the game more fun for all. This change is going to make camping skyrocket.
Also in regards to your other comment. it's 4 perks vs 16 perks, that's why WGLF isn't completely equal to BBQ. You as a sole survivor are not supposed to be equal to the killer in a 1v4.
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@Speshul_Kitten said:
Rebel_Raven said:Ask for a realistic WGLF buff, then? I don't believe a soul is stopping you.
IIRC WGLF was adjusted because it encouraged unhooking people directly in front of a killer, and other potato tactics, though.
Killers need to have fun, or at the least feel like they're accomplishing something in the face of the crap survivors put them through (Especially SWF having fun at the killer's expense), and it's only going to get worse with the new survivor and aura blocker lockers.
So, yeah, why not make a perk better towards this goal?
There just seems to be so much rant after one measley nerf to BBQ and everyone is losing their minds. Meanwhile, survivors are still farming teammates with WGLF and just adding BT to not lose the points.
BT is getting a solid adjustment, though. Killers aren't too thrilled. Survivors are.
It's not a measly nerf either, it removes a hefty chunk of why people use it all together.
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Really, am I the only one who uses it for BP’s?? From all the post I’ve seen most killers use it for BP’s. They must’ve changed their minds overnight.Rebel_Raven said:@Speshul_Kitten said:
Rebel_Raven said:Ask for a realistic WGLF buff, then? I don't believe a soul is stopping you.
IIRC WGLF was adjusted because it encouraged unhooking people directly in front of a killer, and other potato tactics, though.
Killers need to have fun, or at the least feel like they're accomplishing something in the face of the crap survivors put them through (Especially SWF having fun at the killer's expense), and it's only going to get worse with the new survivor and aura blocker lockers.
So, yeah, why not make a perk better towards this goal?
There just seems to be so much rant after one measley nerf to BBQ and everyone is losing their minds. Meanwhile, survivors are still farming teammates with WGLF and just adding BT to not lose the points.
BT is getting a solid adjustment, though. Killers aren't too thrilled. Survivors are.
It's not a measly nerf either, it removes a hefty chunk of why people use it all together.
but yes BT is getting a buff, all the more reason to farm with WGLF right?? That’s why WGLF deserves more of a readjustment then B.B.Q does right now.2 -
@Speshul_Kitten said:
Rebel_Raven said:@Speshul_Kitten said:
Rebel_Raven said:
Ask for a realistic WGLF buff, then? I don't believe a soul is stopping you. IIRC WGLF was adjusted because it encouraged unhooking people directly in front of a killer, and other potato tactics, though. Killers need to have fun, or at the least feel like they're accomplishing something in the face of the crap survivors put them through (Especially SWF having fun at the killer's expense), and it's only going to get worse with the new survivor and aura blocker lockers. So, yeah, why not make a perk better towards this goal?
There just seems to be so much rant after one measley nerf to BBQ and everyone is losing their minds. Meanwhile, survivors are still farming teammates with WGLF and just adding BT to not lose the points.
BT is getting a solid adjustment, though. Killers aren't too thrilled. Survivors are.
It's not a measly nerf either, it removes a hefty chunk of why people use it all together.
Really, am I the only one who uses it for BP’s?? From all the post I’ve seen most killers use it for BP’s. They must’ve changed their minds overnight.
but yes BT is getting a buff, all the more reason to farm with WGLF right?? That’s why WGLF deserves more of a readjustment then B.B.Q does right now.
So because BT is getting a buff, WGLF needs one, too? That's a bit backwards thinking, IMO.
BBQ is losing power. WGLF, and BT are not.
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WGLF needs an adjustment, a buff would be great and more proper than just bloodpoints.Rebel_Raven said:@Speshul_Kitten said:
Rebel_Raven said:@Speshul_Kitten said:
Rebel_Raven said:
Ask for a realistic WGLF buff, then? I don't believe a soul is stopping you. IIRC WGLF was adjusted because it encouraged unhooking people directly in front of a killer, and other potato tactics, though. Killers need to have fun, or at the least feel like they're accomplishing something in the face of the crap survivors put them through (Especially SWF having fun at the killer's expense), and it's only going to get worse with the new survivor and aura blocker lockers. So, yeah, why not make a perk better towards this goal?
There just seems to be so much rant after one measley nerf to BBQ and everyone is losing their minds. Meanwhile, survivors are still farming teammates with WGLF and just adding BT to not lose the points.
BT is getting a solid adjustment, though. Killers aren't too thrilled. Survivors are.
It's not a measly nerf either, it removes a hefty chunk of why people use it all together.
Really, am I the only one who uses it for BP’s?? From all the post I’ve seen most killers use it for BP’s. They must’ve changed their minds overnight.
but yes BT is getting a buff, all the more reason to farm with WGLF right?? That’s why WGLF deserves more of a readjustment then B.B.Q does right now.
So because BT is getting a buff, WGLF needs one, too? That's a bit backwards thinking, IMO.
BBQ is losing power. WGLF, and BT are not.
so you’re telling me if they took bloodpoints off of BBQ and kept the auras, you would still use it??
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It's not a slight nerf. It's massive and now if you get detected by it you are just bad at survivor. Literally hop in any locker for >10 seconds.5
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@Speshul_Kitten said:
Rebel_Raven said:@Speshul_Kitten said:
Rebel_Raven said:
@Speshul_Kitten said: Rebel_Raven said:
Ask for a realistic WGLF buff, then? I don't believe a soul is stopping you. IIRC WGLF was adjusted because it encouraged unhooking people directly in front of a killer, and other potato tactics, though. Killers need to have fun, or at the least feel like they're accomplishing something in the face of the crap survivors put them through (Especially SWF having fun at the killer's expense), and it's only going to get worse with the new survivor and aura blocker lockers. So, yeah, why not make a perk better towards this goal?
There just seems to be so much rant after one measley nerf to BBQ and everyone is losing their minds. Meanwhile, survivors are still farming teammates with WGLF and just adding BT to not lose the points. BT is getting a solid adjustment, though. Killers aren't too thrilled. Survivors are. It's not a measly nerf either, it removes a hefty chunk of why people use it all together. Really, am I the only one who uses it for BP’s?? From all the post I’ve seen most killers use it for BP’s. They must’ve changed their minds overnight.
but yes BT is getting a buff, all the more reason to farm with WGLF right?? That’s why WGLF deserves more of a readjustment then B.B.Q does right now.
So because BT is getting a buff, WGLF needs one, too? That's a bit backwards thinking, IMO.
BBQ is losing power. WGLF, and BT are not.
WGLF needs an adjustment, a buff would be great and more proper than just bloodpoints.
so you’re telling me if they took bloodpoints off of BBQ and kept the auras, you would still use it??
Face it you use it for the BP more than anythingWell, bluntly I don't even have the perk, but I imagine I'd be using it for both based on seeing numerous streamers. I don't like to camp, and I wouldn't mind hooking everyone once. BBQ would help with that.
I might use it for auras because it's got more uses than something like Rancor, or bitter murmur which are maxed out at 5.But people have various want and needs.
In the end, though, I'm not arguing against WGLF buffs, but you're looking to put the boots to killers in the process. That's not cool.
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@Speshul_Kitten said:
Blueberry said:@Speshul_Kitten said:
Rebel_Raven said:
Ask for a realistic WGLF buff, then? I don't believe a soul is stopping you. IIRC WGLF was adjusted because it encouraged unhooking people directly in front of a killer, and other potato tactics, though. Killers need to have fun, or at the least feel like they're accomplishing something in the face of the crap survivors put them through (Especially SWF having fun at the killer's expense), and it's only going to get worse with the new survivor and aura blocker lockers. So, yeah, why not make a perk better towards this goal?
There just seems to be so much rant after one measley nerf to BBQ and everyone is losing their minds. Meanwhile, survivors are still farming teammates with WGLF and just adding BT to not lose the points.
It seems minuscule to you because you aren't seeing what it will cause. I always leave hook for a bbq target unless i see a survivor or scratchmarks by the hook. After this change when I see no one with bbq I'm going to assume they are around the hook and not leave. This change literally discourages me from playing a way that makes the game more fun for all. This change is going to make camping skyrocket.
Also in regards to your other comment. it's 4 perks vs 16 perks, that's why WGLF isn't completely equal to BBQ. You as a sole survivor are not supposed to be equal to the killer in a 1v4.
If you’re using the “it’s 4 VS 16 perks argument” I’m jus tgoing to stop trying to reason with you. You should know why, if not then I’m sorry you need to take some survivor education classes.
Dude you probably don't even have 1/10 of my hours in this game much less rank 1 on both sides, clearly with your uninformed opinions. I already reasoned with you to explain and you couldn't follow it so instead you decided to insult.
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Has ANYTHING about BBQ been DIRECTLY changed?KingB said:It's not a slight nerf. It's massive and now if you get detected by it you are just bad at survivor. Literally hop in any locker for >10 seconds.
No.
Are you going to stop using it?
No.
Now stay with me here, is there a way to counter the counter of BBQ locker auras?
Yes.
Ta-da, if you’re really “trying not to camp” then you already know what perks you’ll need to use. But just like every other Killer, you use it for the BP. Face it.
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I’ve been playing since the Beta, over 4000 hours currently. Don’t try that with me. If I NEED to show you my rank 1 at both sides right now I will.Blueberry said:@Speshul_Kitten said:
Blueberry said:@Speshul_Kitten said:
Rebel_Raven said:
Ask for a realistic WGLF buff, then? I don't believe a soul is stopping you. IIRC WGLF was adjusted because it encouraged unhooking people directly in front of a killer, and other potato tactics, though. Killers need to have fun, or at the least feel like they're accomplishing something in the face of the crap survivors put them through (Especially SWF having fun at the killer's expense), and it's only going to get worse with the new survivor and aura blocker lockers. So, yeah, why not make a perk better towards this goal?
There just seems to be so much rant after one measley nerf to BBQ and everyone is losing their minds. Meanwhile, survivors are still farming teammates with WGLF and just adding BT to not lose the points.
It seems minuscule to you because you aren't seeing what it will cause. I always leave hook for a bbq target unless i see a survivor or scratchmarks by the hook. After this change when I see no one with bbq I'm going to assume they are around the hook and not leave. This change literally discourages me from playing a way that makes the game more fun for all. This change is going to make camping skyrocket.
Also in regards to your other comment. it's 4 perks vs 16 perks, that's why WGLF isn't completely equal to BBQ. You as a sole survivor are not supposed to be equal to the killer in a 1v4.
If you’re using the “it’s 4 VS 16 perks argument” I’m jus tgoing to stop trying to reason with you. You should know why, if not then I’m sorry you need to take some survivor education classes.
Dude you probably don't even have 1/10 of my hours in this game much less rank 1 on both sides, clearly with your uninformed opinions. I already reasoned with you to explain and you couldn't follow it so instead you decided to insult.
You’re just proving you’re either too killer sided or don’t understand logic when you say “4 perks vs 16”1 -
Are you serious you don’t even have BBQ???Rebel_Raven said:@Speshul_Kitten said:
Rebel_Raven said:@Speshul_Kitten said:
Rebel_Raven said:
@Speshul_Kitten said: Rebel_Raven said:
Ask for a realistic WGLF buff, then? I don't believe a soul is stopping you. IIRC WGLF was adjusted because it encouraged unhooking people directly in front of a killer, and other potato tactics, though. Killers need to have fun, or at the least feel like they're accomplishing something in the face of the crap survivors put them through (Especially SWF having fun at the killer's expense), and it's only going to get worse with the new survivor and aura blocker lockers. So, yeah, why not make a perk better towards this goal?
There just seems to be so much rant after one measley nerf to BBQ and everyone is losing their minds. Meanwhile, survivors are still farming teammates with WGLF and just adding BT to not lose the points. BT is getting a solid adjustment, though. Killers aren't too thrilled. Survivors are. It's not a measly nerf either, it removes a hefty chunk of why people use it all together. Really, am I the only one who uses it for BP’s?? From all the post I’ve seen most killers use it for BP’s. They must’ve changed their minds overnight.
but yes BT is getting a buff, all the more reason to farm with WGLF right?? That’s why WGLF deserves more of a readjustment then B.B.Q does right now.
So because BT is getting a buff, WGLF needs one, too? That's a bit backwards thinking, IMO.
BBQ is losing power. WGLF, and BT are not.
WGLF needs an adjustment, a buff would be great and more proper than just bloodpoints.
so you’re telling me if they took bloodpoints off of BBQ and kept the auras, you would still use it??
Face it you use it for the BP more than anythingWell, bluntly I don't even have the perk, but I imagine I'd be using it for both based on seeing numerous streamers. I don't like to camp, and I wouldn't mind hooking everyone once. BBQ would help with that.
I might use it for auras because it's got more uses than something like Rancor, or bitter murmur which are maxed out at 5.But people have various want and needs.
In the end, though, I'm not arguing against WGLF buffs, but you're looking to put the boots to killers in the process. That's not cool.
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@Speshul_Kitten said:
Blueberry said:@Speshul_Kitten said:
Blueberry said:
@Speshul_Kitten said: Rebel_Raven said:
Ask for a realistic WGLF buff, then? I don't believe a soul is stopping you. IIRC WGLF was adjusted because it encouraged unhooking people directly in front of a killer, and other potato tactics, though. Killers need to have fun, or at the least feel like they're accomplishing something in the face of the crap survivors put them through (Especially SWF having fun at the killer's expense), and it's only going to get worse with the new survivor and aura blocker lockers. So, yeah, why not make a perk better towards this goal?
There just seems to be so much rant after one measley nerf to BBQ and everyone is losing their minds. Meanwhile, survivors are still farming teammates with WGLF and just adding BT to not lose the points. It seems minuscule to you because you aren't seeing what it will cause. I always leave hook for a bbq target unless i see a survivor or scratchmarks by the hook. After this change when I see no one with bbq I'm going to assume they are around the hook and not leave. This change literally discourages me from playing a way that makes the game more fun for all. This change is going to make camping skyrocket. Also in regards to your other comment. it's 4 perks vs 16 perks, that's why WGLF isn't completely equal to BBQ. You as a sole survivor are not supposed to be equal to the killer in a 1v4.
If you’re using the “it’s 4 VS 16 perks argument” I’m jus tgoing to stop trying to reason with you. You should know why, if not then I’m sorry you need to take some survivor education classes.
Dude you probably don't even have 1/10 of my hours in this game much less rank 1 on both sides, clearly with your uninformed opinions. I already reasoned with you to explain and you couldn't follow it so instead you decided to insult.
I’ve been playing since the Beta, over 4000 hours currently. Don’t try that with me. If I NEED to show you my rank 1 at both sides right now I will.
You’re just proving you’re either too killer sided or don’t understand logic when you say “4 perks vs 16”
I play both sides at rank 1 regularly, there is no "killer sided" and I highly doubt those hours. Link it.
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Here’s the type of killer logic you’re using “Mr. Rank 1”Blueberry said:@Speshul_Kitten said:
Blueberry said:@Speshul_Kitten said:
Blueberry said:
@Speshul_Kitten said: Rebel_Raven said:
Ask for a realistic WGLF buff, then? I don't believe a soul is stopping you. IIRC WGLF was adjusted because it encouraged unhooking people directly in front of a killer, and other potato tactics, though. Killers need to have fun, or at the least feel like they're accomplishing something in the face of the crap survivors put them through (Especially SWF having fun at the killer's expense), and it's only going to get worse with the new survivor and aura blocker lockers. So, yeah, why not make a perk better towards this goal?
There just seems to be so much rant after one measley nerf to BBQ and everyone is losing their minds. Meanwhile, survivors are still farming teammates with WGLF and just adding BT to not lose the points. It seems minuscule to you because you aren't seeing what it will cause. I always leave hook for a bbq target unless i see a survivor or scratchmarks by the hook. After this change when I see no one with bbq I'm going to assume they are around the hook and not leave. This change literally discourages me from playing a way that makes the game more fun for all. This change is going to make camping skyrocket. Also in regards to your other comment. it's 4 perks vs 16 perks, that's why WGLF isn't completely equal to BBQ. You as a sole survivor are not supposed to be equal to the killer in a 1v4.
If you’re using the “it’s 4 VS 16 perks argument” I’m jus tgoing to stop trying to reason with you. You should know why, if not then I’m sorry you need to take some survivor education classes.
Dude you probably don't even have 1/10 of my hours in this game much less rank 1 on both sides, clearly with your uninformed opinions. I already reasoned with you to explain and you couldn't follow it so instead you decided to insult.
I’ve been playing since the Beta, over 4000 hours currently. Don’t try that with me. If I NEED to show you my rank 1 at both sides right now I will.
You’re just proving you’re either too killer sided or don’t understand logic when you say “4 perks vs 16”
I play both sides at rank 1 regularly, there is no "killer sided" and I highly doubt those hours. Link it.
“If Claudette dies she’s gonna let the Feng use her BT. Then if Feng dies she’ll let Claudette use her Lithe.”
Thats your “4 perks VS 16” logic right there.
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@Speshul_Kitten said:
Rebel_Raven said:@Speshul_Kitten said:
Rebel_Raven said:
@Speshul_Kitten said: Rebel_Raven said:
@Speshul_Kitten said: Rebel_Raven said:
Ask for a realistic WGLF buff, then? I don't believe a soul is stopping you. IIRC WGLF was adjusted because it encouraged unhooking people directly in front of a killer, and other potato tactics, though. Killers need to have fun, or at the least feel like they're accomplishing something in the face of the crap survivors put them through (Especially SWF having fun at the killer's expense), and it's only going to get worse with the new survivor and aura blocker lockers. So, yeah, why not make a perk better towards this goal?
There just seems to be so much rant after one measley nerf to BBQ and everyone is losing their minds. Meanwhile, survivors are still farming teammates with WGLF and just adding BT to not lose the points. BT is getting a solid adjustment, though. Killers aren't too thrilled. Survivors are. It's not a measly nerf either, it removes a hefty chunk of why people use it all together. Really, am I the only one who uses it for BP’s?? From all the post I’ve seen most killers use it for BP’s. They must’ve changed their minds overnight.
but yes BT is getting a buff, all the more reason to farm with WGLF right?? That’s why WGLF deserves more of a readjustment then B.B.Q does right now. So because BT is getting a buff, WGLF needs one, too? That's a bit backwards thinking, IMO. BBQ is losing power. WGLF, and BT are not. WGLF needs an adjustment, a buff would be great and more proper than just bloodpoints. so you’re telling me if they took bloodpoints off of BBQ and kept the auras, you would still use it??
Face it you use it for the BP more than anything
Well, bluntly I don't even have the perk, but I imagine I'd be using it for both based on seeing numerous streamers. I don't like to camp, and I wouldn't mind hooking everyone once. BBQ would help with that.
I might use it for auras because it's got more uses than something like Rancor, or bitter murmur which are maxed out at 5.
But people have various want and needs.
In the end, though, I'm not arguing against WGLF buffs, but you're looking to put the boots to killers in the process. That's not cool.
Are you serious you don’t even have BBQ???
Wahfs the point of your side of the argument then??What's the point of yours?
This whole venture is pretty pointless without a plan beyond "Screw killers, make survivors EVEN STRONGER!!!!"It's certainly not my fault that even with your vast time spent with the game you can't think of a worthwhile buff like I suggested.
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@Speshul_Kitten said:
Blueberry said:@Speshul_Kitten said:
Blueberry said:
@Speshul_Kitten said: Blueberry said:
@Speshul_Kitten said: Rebel_Raven said:
Ask for a realistic WGLF buff, then? I don't believe a soul is stopping you. IIRC WGLF was adjusted because it encouraged unhooking people directly in front of a killer, and other potato tactics, though. Killers need to have fun, or at the least feel like they're accomplishing something in the face of the crap survivors put them through (Especially SWF having fun at the killer's expense), and it's only going to get worse with the new survivor and aura blocker lockers. So, yeah, why not make a perk better towards this goal?
There just seems to be so much rant after one measley nerf to BBQ and everyone is losing their minds. Meanwhile, survivors are still farming teammates with WGLF and just adding BT to not lose the points. It seems minuscule to you because you aren't seeing what it will cause. I always leave hook for a bbq target unless i see a survivor or scratchmarks by the hook. After this change when I see no one with bbq I'm going to assume they are around the hook and not leave. This change literally discourages me from playing a way that makes the game more fun for all. This change is going to make camping skyrocket. Also in regards to your other comment. it's 4 perks vs 16 perks, that's why WGLF isn't completely equal to BBQ. You as a sole survivor are not supposed to be equal to the killer in a 1v4.
If you’re using the “it’s 4 VS 16 perks argument” I’m jus tgoing to stop trying to reason with you. You should know why, if not then I’m sorry you need to take some survivor education classes. Dude you probably don't even have 1/10 of my hours in this game much less rank 1 on both sides, clearly with your uninformed opinions. I already reasoned with you to explain and you couldn't follow it so instead you decided to insult. I’ve been playing since the Beta, over 4000 hours currently. Don’t try that with me. If I NEED to show you my rank 1 at both sides right now I will.
You’re just proving you’re either too killer sided or don’t understand logic when you say “4 perks vs 16”
I play both sides at rank 1 regularly, there is no "killer sided" and I highly doubt those hours. Link it.
Here’s the type of killer logic you’re using “Mr. Rank 1”
“If Claudette dies she’s gonna let the Feng use her BT. Then if Feng dies she’ll let Claudette use her Lithe.”Thats your “4 perks VS 16” logic right there.
Firstly, no link, because you're clearly lying.
Second, no, that's not the logic i'm using. Then again, how would you even know, you jumped to insults before even having a conversation.
4v16 meaning you bring certain perks to counter survivor perks but you can't counter all 16 with just your 4.
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Asymmetrical game. Its not a 1v1 fighting gameSpeshul_Kitten said:
There are multiple post asking for BBQ buffs in case you didn’t notice.Blueberry said:No one's asking for a BBQ buff, we're saying the locker aura block is gonna be bad for the games health. Also, WGLF is far from useless, it's literally a perk I never take of because of all the extra BP's it gives.
I don't think you are seeing the ramifications of this aura blocking on the game if it goes through.
So if WGLF is far from useless that makes BBQ even further from useless as you not only get the benefits of WGLF but also potential auras.
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So you’re saying by your “logic” that there’s no possible way a killer can use 4 perks to counter 16, not even redundant perks?? Listen, you’re clearly one sided no matter what you think. You sound like you only live for Killer, clearly you still think all 16 perks being used in one game are completely different from each other EVEN if the survivors are running the exact same perks.Blueberry said:@Speshul_Kitten said:
Blueberry said:@Speshul_Kitten said:
Blueberry said:
@Speshul_Kitten said: Blueberry said:
@Speshul_Kitten said: Rebel_Raven said:
Ask for a realistic WGLF buff, then? I don't believe a soul is stopping you. IIRC WGLF was adjusted because it encouraged unhooking people directly in front of a killer, and other potato tactics, though. Killers need to have fun, or at the least feel like they're accomplishing something in the face of the crap survivors put them through (Especially SWF having fun at the killer's expense), and it's only going to get worse with the new survivor and aura blocker lockers. So, yeah, why not make a perk better towards this goal?
There just seems to be so much rant after one measley nerf to BBQ and everyone is losing their minds. Meanwhile, survivors are still farming teammates with WGLF and just adding BT to not lose the points. It seems minuscule to you because you aren't seeing what it will cause. I always leave hook for a bbq target unless i see a survivor or scratchmarks by the hook. After this change when I see no one with bbq I'm going to assume they are around the hook and not leave. This change literally discourages me from playing a way that makes the game more fun for all. This change is going to make camping skyrocket. Also in regards to your other comment. it's 4 perks vs 16 perks, that's why WGLF isn't completely equal to BBQ. You as a sole survivor are not supposed to be equal to the killer in a 1v4.
If you’re using the “it’s 4 VS 16 perks argument” I’m jus tgoing to stop trying to reason with you. You should know why, if not then I’m sorry you need to take some survivor education classes. Dude you probably don't even have 1/10 of my hours in this game much less rank 1 on both sides, clearly with your uninformed opinions. I already reasoned with you to explain and you couldn't follow it so instead you decided to insult. I’ve been playing since the Beta, over 4000 hours currently. Don’t try that with me. If I NEED to show you my rank 1 at both sides right now I will.
You’re just proving you’re either too killer sided or don’t understand logic when you say “4 perks vs 16”
I play both sides at rank 1 regularly, there is no "killer sided" and I highly doubt those hours. Link it.
Here’s the type of killer logic you’re using “Mr. Rank 1”
“If Claudette dies she’s gonna let the Feng use her BT. Then if Feng dies she’ll let Claudette use her Lithe.”Thats your “4 perks VS 16” logic right there.
Firstly, no link, because you're clearly lying.
Second, no, that's not the logic i'm using. Then again, how would you even know, you jumped to insults before even having a conversation.
4v16 meaning you bring certain perks to counter survivor perks but you can't counter all 16 with just your 4.
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Dude you don’t even use BBQ why are you still on here?Rebel_Raven said:@Speshul_Kitten said:
Rebel_Raven said:@Speshul_Kitten said:
Rebel_Raven said:
@Speshul_Kitten said: Rebel_Raven said:
@Speshul_Kitten said: Rebel_Raven said:
Ask for a realistic WGLF buff, then? I don't believe a soul is stopping you. IIRC WGLF was adjusted because it encouraged unhooking people directly in front of a killer, and other potato tactics, though. Killers need to have fun, or at the least feel like they're accomplishing something in the face of the crap survivors put them through (Especially SWF having fun at the killer's expense), and it's only going to get worse with the new survivor and aura blocker lockers. So, yeah, why not make a perk better towards this goal?
There just seems to be so much rant after one measley nerf to BBQ and everyone is losing their minds. Meanwhile, survivors are still farming teammates with WGLF and just adding BT to not lose the points. BT is getting a solid adjustment, though. Killers aren't too thrilled. Survivors are. It's not a measly nerf either, it removes a hefty chunk of why people use it all together. Really, am I the only one who uses it for BP’s?? From all the post I’ve seen most killers use it for BP’s. They must’ve changed their minds overnight.
but yes BT is getting a buff, all the more reason to farm with WGLF right?? That’s why WGLF deserves more of a readjustment then B.B.Q does right now. So because BT is getting a buff, WGLF needs one, too? That's a bit backwards thinking, IMO. BBQ is losing power. WGLF, and BT are not. WGLF needs an adjustment, a buff would be great and more proper than just bloodpoints. so you’re telling me if they took bloodpoints off of BBQ and kept the auras, you would still use it??
Face it you use it for the BP more than anything
Well, bluntly I don't even have the perk, but I imagine I'd be using it for both based on seeing numerous streamers. I don't like to camp, and I wouldn't mind hooking everyone once. BBQ would help with that.
I might use it for auras because it's got more uses than something like Rancor, or bitter murmur which are maxed out at 5.
But people have various want and needs.
In the end, though, I'm not arguing against WGLF buffs, but you're looking to put the boots to killers in the process. That's not cool.
Are you serious you don’t even have BBQ???
Wahfs the point of your side of the argument then??What's the point of yours?
This whole venture is pretty pointless without a plan beyond "Screw killers, make survivors EVEN STRONGER!!!!"It's certainly not my fault that even with your vast time spent with the game you can't think of a worthwhile buff like I suggested.
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That’s right, so it’s what it was when the game came out. Clearly SWF has the upper hand.Malakir said:
Asymmetrical game. Its not a 1v1 fighting gameSpeshul_Kitten said:
There are multiple post asking for BBQ buffs in case you didn’t notice.Blueberry said:No one's asking for a BBQ buff, we're saying the locker aura block is gonna be bad for the games health. Also, WGLF is far from useless, it's literally a perk I never take of because of all the extra BP's it gives.
I don't think you are seeing the ramifications of this aura blocking on the game if it goes through.
So if WGLF is far from useless that makes BBQ even further from useless as you not only get the benefits of WGLF but also potential auras.
Explain this
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@Speshul_Kitten said:
Blueberry said:@Speshul_Kitten said:
Blueberry said:
@Speshul_Kitten said: Blueberry said:
@Speshul_Kitten said: Blueberry said:
@Speshul_Kitten said: Rebel_Raven said:
Ask for a realistic WGLF buff, then? I don't believe a soul is stopping you. IIRC WGLF was adjusted because it encouraged unhooking people directly in front of a killer, and other potato tactics, though. Killers need to have fun, or at the least feel like they're accomplishing something in the face of the crap survivors put them through (Especially SWF having fun at the killer's expense), and it's only going to get worse with the new survivor and aura blocker lockers. So, yeah, why not make a perk better towards this goal?
There just seems to be so much rant after one measley nerf to BBQ and everyone is losing their minds. Meanwhile, survivors are still farming teammates with WGLF and just adding BT to not lose the points. It seems minuscule to you because you aren't seeing what it will cause. I always leave hook for a bbq target unless i see a survivor or scratchmarks by the hook. After this change when I see no one with bbq I'm going to assume they are around the hook and not leave. This change literally discourages me from playing a way that makes the game more fun for all. This change is going to make camping skyrocket. Also in regards to your other comment. it's 4 perks vs 16 perks, that's why WGLF isn't completely equal to BBQ. You as a sole survivor are not supposed to be equal to the killer in a 1v4.
If you’re using the “it’s 4 VS 16 perks argument” I’m jus tgoing to stop trying to reason with you. You should know why, if not then I’m sorry you need to take some survivor education classes. Dude you probably don't even have 1/10 of my hours in this game much less rank 1 on both sides, clearly with your uninformed opinions. I already reasoned with you to explain and you couldn't follow it so instead you decided to insult. I’ve been playing since the Beta, over 4000 hours currently. Don’t try that with me. If I NEED to show you my rank 1 at both sides right now I will.
You’re just proving you’re either too killer sided or don’t understand logic when you say “4 perks vs 16” I play both sides at rank 1 regularly, there is no "killer sided" and I highly doubt those hours. Link it. Here’s the type of killer logic you’re using “Mr. Rank 1”
“If Claudette dies she’s gonna let the Feng use her BT. Then if Feng dies she’ll let Claudette use her Lithe.”
Thats your “4 perks VS 16” logic right there.
Firstly, no link, because you're clearly lying.
Second, no, that's not the logic i'm using. Then again, how would you even know, you jumped to insults before even having a conversation.
4v16 meaning you bring certain perks to counter survivor perks but you can't counter all 16 with just your 4.
So you’re saying by your “logic” that there’s no possible way a killer can use 4 perks to counter 16, not even redundant perks?? Listen, you’re clearly one sided no matter what you think. You sound like you only live for Killer, clearly you still think all 16 perks being used in one game are completely different from each other EVEN if the survivors are running the exact same perks.
4v16 is to express a point, not to literally mean every single perk will be different and 4 perks are not enough to counter 16 unless literally every single survivor has the exact same 4 perks. I don't live for killer, just unlike you, I actually play both sides at a high rank and know what's balanced and what isn't. It's quite clear at this point that you are a new player to this game and trying to explain these things to you is getting no where. You're being belligerent and arrogant while also not having enough experience in the game to understand. It's clear you're going no where so I'm done here.
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You’re a killer main I know it, and since killer mains like to pass fiction before facts here you go 😉Blueberry said:@Speshul_Kitten said:
Blueberry said:@Speshul_Kitten said:
Blueberry said:
@Speshul_Kitten said: Blueberry said:
@Speshul_Kitten said: Blueberry said:
@Speshul_Kitten said: Rebel_Raven said:
Ask for a realistic WGLF buff, then? I don't believe a soul is stopping you. IIRC WGLF was adjusted because it encouraged unhooking people directly in front of a killer, and other potato tactics, though. Killers need to have fun, or at the least feel like they're accomplishing something in the face of the crap survivors put them through (Especially SWF having fun at the killer's expense), and it's only going to get worse with the new survivor and aura blocker lockers. So, yeah, why not make a perk better towards this goal?
There just seems to be so much rant after one measley nerf to BBQ and everyone is losing their minds. Meanwhile, survivors are still farming teammates with WGLF and just adding BT to not lose the points. It seems minuscule to you because you aren't seeing what it will cause. I always leave hook for a bbq target unless i see a survivor or scratchmarks by the hook. After this change when I see no one with bbq I'm going to assume they are around the hook and not leave. This change literally discourages me from playing a way that makes the game more fun for all. This change is going to make camping skyrocket. Also in regards to your other comment. it's 4 perks vs 16 perks, that's why WGLF isn't completely equal to BBQ. You as a sole survivor are not supposed to be equal to the killer in a 1v4.
If you’re using the “it’s 4 VS 16 perks argument” I’m jus tgoing to stop trying to reason with you. You should know why, if not then I’m sorry you need to take some survivor education classes. Dude you probably don't even have 1/10 of my hours in this game much less rank 1 on both sides, clearly with your uninformed opinions. I already reasoned with you to explain and you couldn't follow it so instead you decided to insult. I’ve been playing since the Beta, over 4000 hours currently. Don’t try that with me. If I NEED to show you my rank 1 at both sides right now I will.
You’re just proving you’re either too killer sided or don’t understand logic when you say “4 perks vs 16” I play both sides at rank 1 regularly, there is no "killer sided" and I highly doubt those hours. Link it. Here’s the type of killer logic you’re using “Mr. Rank 1”
“If Claudette dies she’s gonna let the Feng use her BT. Then if Feng dies she’ll let Claudette use her Lithe.”
Thats your “4 perks VS 16” logic right there.
Firstly, no link, because you're clearly lying.
Second, no, that's not the logic i'm using. Then again, how would you even know, you jumped to insults before even having a conversation.
4v16 meaning you bring certain perks to counter survivor perks but you can't counter all 16 with just your 4.
So you’re saying by your “logic” that there’s no possible way a killer can use 4 perks to counter 16, not even redundant perks?? Listen, you’re clearly one sided no matter what you think. You sound like you only live for Killer, clearly you still think all 16 perks being used in one game are completely different from each other EVEN if the survivors are running the exact same perks.
4v16 is to express a point, not to literally mean every single perk will be different and 4 perks are not enough to counter 16 unless literally every single survivor has the exact same 4 perks. I don't live for killer, just unlike you, I actually play both sides at a high rank and know what's balanced and what isn't. It's quite clear at this point that you are a new player to this game and trying to explain these things to you is getting no where. You're being belligerent and arrogant while also not having enough experience in the game to understand. It's clear you're going no where so I'm done here.
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Ehm just saying, we talk about BBQ because its the most used but these changes in combination with the new perk would easy counter EVERY aurora reading. Nurse calling, random, bitter murmur etc aura perks that INCENTIVES hunting and not campingSpeshul_Kitten said:
Really, am I the only one who uses it for BP’s?? From all the post I’ve seen most killers use it for BP’s. They must’ve changed their minds overnight.Rebel_Raven said:@Speshul_Kitten said:
Rebel_Raven said:Ask for a realistic WGLF buff, then? I don't believe a soul is stopping you.
IIRC WGLF was adjusted because it encouraged unhooking people directly in front of a killer, and other potato tactics, though.
Killers need to have fun, or at the least feel like they're accomplishing something in the face of the crap survivors put them through (Especially SWF having fun at the killer's expense), and it's only going to get worse with the new survivor and aura blocker lockers.
So, yeah, why not make a perk better towards this goal?
There just seems to be so much rant after one measley nerf to BBQ and everyone is losing their minds. Meanwhile, survivors are still farming teammates with WGLF and just adding BT to not lose the points.
BT is getting a solid adjustment, though. Killers aren't too thrilled. Survivors are.
It's not a measly nerf either, it removes a hefty chunk of why people use it all together.
but yes BT is getting a buff, all the more reason to farm with WGLF right?? That’s why WGLF deserves more of a readjustment then B.B.Q does right now.
Plus BBQ had already 6 counties before these announced changes, 3 of them perk less. That's why people are pissed. One of the most used and counterable perks used by killers getting even more counties and nerfs so even a child can counter it now not even hiding behind a gen or faking a direction for example
Now people would heal next to the killer, he won't see you with nurse calling Anyway
Etc etc
That's why people are pissed and even me since I have even less interest to play killer than usual if these changes get through. I would see way more farmers and dumb mates at high ranks not for their accomplishments but because its even easier, leading a more frustrating game even on survivor side
Think like the killers are the ones who should sort it out who deserves to be high rank and good survivors the same for killers. If anybody can rank up even easier would hurt everybody.
Back to the topic, people get pissed nnot only making aura perks way less useful but also one of the strongest perks that everybody asked for a change, even from survivor side, DS, wasn't changed at all while all aura perks and one of the most counterable and used perk nerfed1 -
@Speshul_Kitten said:
Rebel_Raven said:@Speshul_Kitten said:
Rebel_Raven said:
@Speshul_Kitten said: Rebel_Raven said:
@Speshul_Kitten said: Rebel_Raven said:
@Speshul_Kitten said: Rebel_Raven said:
Ask for a realistic WGLF buff, then? I don't believe a soul is stopping you. IIRC WGLF was adjusted because it encouraged unhooking people directly in front of a killer, and other potato tactics, though. Killers need to have fun, or at the least feel like they're accomplishing something in the face of the crap survivors put them through (Especially SWF having fun at the killer's expense), and it's only going to get worse with the new survivor and aura blocker lockers. So, yeah, why not make a perk better towards this goal?
There just seems to be so much rant after one measley nerf to BBQ and everyone is losing their minds. Meanwhile, survivors are still farming teammates with WGLF and just adding BT to not lose the points. BT is getting a solid adjustment, though. Killers aren't too thrilled. Survivors are. It's not a measly nerf either, it removes a hefty chunk of why people use it all together. Really, am I the only one who uses it for BP’s?? From all the post I’ve seen most killers use it for BP’s. They must’ve changed their minds overnight.
but yes BT is getting a buff, all the more reason to farm with WGLF right?? That’s why WGLF deserves more of a readjustment then B.B.Q does right now. So because BT is getting a buff, WGLF needs one, too? That's a bit backwards thinking, IMO. BBQ is losing power. WGLF, and BT are not. WGLF needs an adjustment, a buff would be great and more proper than just bloodpoints. so you’re telling me if they took bloodpoints off of BBQ and kept the auras, you would still use it??
Face it you use it for the BP more than anything Well, bluntly I don't even have the perk, but I imagine I'd be using it for both based on seeing numerous streamers. I don't like to camp, and I wouldn't mind hooking everyone once. BBQ would help with that. I might use it for auras because it's got more uses than something like Rancor, or bitter murmur which are maxed out at 5. But people have various want and needs. In the end, though, I'm not arguing against WGLF buffs, but you're looking to put the boots to killers in the process. That's not cool. Are you serious you don’t even have BBQ???
Wahfs the point of your side of the argument then??
What's the point of yours?
This whole venture is pretty pointless without a plan beyond "Screw killers, make survivors EVEN STRONGER!!!!"
It's certainly not my fault that even with your vast time spent with the game you can't think of a worthwhile buff like I suggested.
Dude you don’t even use BBQ why are you still on here?
Because I sure as hell will when I get it for one.
For two, I'd like it to be in good working condition for when/if I actually do get it.
Third, I gotta comment on such a poorly thought out plan which hasn't evolved beyond "Screw killers, make survivors EVEN STRONGER!!!!"
Fourth, I'm actually trying to help you. Make a solid buff to WGLF that won't screw up balance and it might happen. You really think people are going to rally behind you if you're going to put them on the back burner?
Fifthly, you're bothered by killers looking out for their own best interests in the face of potential destruction of their abilities? REALLY? I mean talk about shooting yourself in the foot if you actually do play killer. Or survivor, too, actually! I'd think a survivor player would be thrilled to see killers get a real reason not to camp.
How long of a list do you need, here?
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I’m sorry if I hurt your feelings. You have to realize though, I got hatch from a really good Myers BEFORE this nerf and that was just by hiding behind a gen. So in case you’re wondering BBQ is really only good towards from the beginning to the middle, once you get to a high enough rank and use it, survivors will know you have it and will come close enough to hide from it, but far enough for it to not make a difference to the killer.Rebel_Raven said:@Speshul_Kitten said:
Rebel_Raven said:@Speshul_Kitten said:
Rebel_Raven said:
@Speshul_Kitten said: Rebel_Raven said:
@Speshul_Kitten said: Rebel_Raven said:
@Speshul_Kitten said: Rebel_Raven said:
Ask for a realistic WGLF buff, then? I don't believe a soul is stopping you. IIRC WGLF was adjusted because it encouraged unhooking people directly in front of a killer, and other potato tactics, though. Killers need to have fun, or at the least feel like they're accomplishing something in the face of the crap survivors put them through (Especially SWF having fun at the killer's expense), and it's only going to get worse with the new survivor and aura blocker lockers. So, yeah, why not make a perk better towards this goal?
There just seems to be so much rant after one measley nerf to BBQ and everyone is losing their minds. Meanwhile, survivors are still farming teammates with WGLF and just adding BT to not lose the points. BT is getting a solid adjustment, though. Killers aren't too thrilled. Survivors are. It's not a measly nerf either, it removes a hefty chunk of why people use it all together. Really, am I the only one who uses it for BP’s?? From all the post I’ve seen most killers use it for BP’s. They must’ve changed their minds overnight.
but yes BT is getting a buff, all the more reason to farm with WGLF right?? That’s why WGLF deserves more of a readjustment then B.B.Q does right now. So because BT is getting a buff, WGLF needs one, too? That's a bit backwards thinking, IMO. BBQ is losing power. WGLF, and BT are not. WGLF needs an adjustment, a buff would be great and more proper than just bloodpoints. so you’re telling me if they took bloodpoints off of BBQ and kept the auras, you would still use it??
Face it you use it for the BP more than anything Well, bluntly I don't even have the perk, but I imagine I'd be using it for both based on seeing numerous streamers. I don't like to camp, and I wouldn't mind hooking everyone once. BBQ would help with that. I might use it for auras because it's got more uses than something like Rancor, or bitter murmur which are maxed out at 5. But people have various want and needs. In the end, though, I'm not arguing against WGLF buffs, but you're looking to put the boots to killers in the process. That's not cool. Are you serious you don’t even have BBQ???
Wahfs the point of your side of the argument then??
What's the point of yours?
This whole venture is pretty pointless without a plan beyond "Screw killers, make survivors EVEN STRONGER!!!!"
It's certainly not my fault that even with your vast time spent with the game you can't think of a worthwhile buff like I suggested.
Dude you don’t even use BBQ why are you still on here?
Because I sure as hell will when I get it for one.
For two, I'd like it to be in good working condition for when/if I actually do get it.
Third, I gotta comment on such a poorly thought out plan which hasn't evolved beyond "Screw killers, make survivors EVEN STRONGER!!!!"
Fourth, I'm actually trying to help you. Make a solid buff to WGLF that won't screw up balance and it might happen. You really think people are going to rally behind you if you're going to put them on the back burner?
Fifthly, you're bothered by killers looking out for their own best interests in the face of potential destruction of their abilities? REALLY? I mean talk about shooting yourself in the foot if you actually do play killer. Or survivor, too, actually! I'd think a survivor player would be thrilled to see killers get a real reason not to camp.
How long of a list do you need, here?
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But here’s the thing, would you give up any of your meta perks for this new survivor perk? I sure as hell wouldn’t. Furthermore, if we’re gonna talk about survivors having to use another perk to hide auras, doesn’t the killer have the ability to bring in Iron Maiden as well? Even more, survivors can only use that perk until it runs out of tokens.Malakir said:
Ehm just saying, we talk about BBQ because its the most used but these changes in combination with the new perk would easy counter EVERY aurora reading. Nurse calling, random, bitter murmur etc aura perks that INCENTIVES hunting and not campingSpeshul_Kitten said:
Really, am I the only one who uses it for BP’s?? From all the post I’ve seen most killers use it for BP’s. They must’ve changed their minds overnight.Rebel_Raven said:@Speshul_Kitten said:
Rebel_Raven said:Ask for a realistic WGLF buff, then? I don't believe a soul is stopping you.
IIRC WGLF was adjusted because it encouraged unhooking people directly in front of a killer, and other potato tactics, though.
Killers need to have fun, or at the least feel like they're accomplishing something in the face of the crap survivors put them through (Especially SWF having fun at the killer's expense), and it's only going to get worse with the new survivor and aura blocker lockers.
So, yeah, why not make a perk better towards this goal?
There just seems to be so much rant after one measley nerf to BBQ and everyone is losing their minds. Meanwhile, survivors are still farming teammates with WGLF and just adding BT to not lose the points.
BT is getting a solid adjustment, though. Killers aren't too thrilled. Survivors are.
It's not a measly nerf either, it removes a hefty chunk of why people use it all together.
but yes BT is getting a buff, all the more reason to farm with WGLF right?? That’s why WGLF deserves more of a readjustment then B.B.Q does right now.
Plus BBQ had already 6 counties before these announced changes, 3 of them perk less. That's why people are pissed. One of the most used and counterable perks used by killers getting even more counties and nerfs so even a child can counter it now not even hiding behind a gen or faking a direction for example
Now people would heal next to the killer, he won't see you with nurse calling Anyway
Etc etc
That's why people are pissed and even me since I have even less interest to play killer than usual if these changes get through. I would see way more farmers and dumb mates at high ranks not for their accomplishments but because its even easier, leading a more frustrating game even on survivor side
Think like the killers are the ones who should sort it out who deserves to be high rank and good survivors the same for killers. If anybody can rank up even easier would hurt everybody.
Back to the topic, people get pissed nnot only making aura perks way less useful but also one of the strongest perks that everybody asked for a change, even from survivor side, DS, wasn't changed at all while all aura perks and one of the most counterable and used perk nerfed
I still think if they’re gonna rebuff BBQ then they should also buff WGLF to adjust the BT. WGLF is long overdue.0 -
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Rebel_Raven said:@Speshul_Kitten said:
Rebel_Raven said:
@Speshul_Kitten said: Rebel_Raven said:
@Speshul_Kitten said: Rebel_Raven said:
@Speshul_Kitten said: Rebel_Raven said:
@Speshul_Kitten said: Rebel_Raven said:
Ask for a realistic WGLF buff, then? I don't believe a soul is stopping you. IIRC WGLF was adjusted because it encouraged unhooking people directly in front of a killer, and other potato tactics, though. Killers need to have fun, or at the least feel like they're accomplishing something in the face of the crap survivors put them through (Especially SWF having fun at the killer's expense), and it's only going to get worse with the new survivor and aura blocker lockers. So, yeah, why not make a perk better towards this goal?
There just seems to be so much rant after one measley nerf to BBQ and everyone is losing their minds. Meanwhile, survivors are still farming teammates with WGLF and just adding BT to not lose the points. BT is getting a solid adjustment, though. Killers aren't too thrilled. Survivors are. It's not a measly nerf either, it removes a hefty chunk of why people use it all together. Really, am I the only one who uses it for BP’s?? From all the post I’ve seen most killers use it for BP’s. They must’ve changed their minds overnight.
but yes BT is getting a buff, all the more reason to farm with WGLF right?? That’s why WGLF deserves more of a readjustment then B.B.Q does right now. So because BT is getting a buff, WGLF needs one, too? That's a bit backwards thinking, IMO. BBQ is losing power. WGLF, and BT are not. WGLF needs an adjustment, a buff would be great and more proper than just bloodpoints. so you’re telling me if they took bloodpoints off of BBQ and kept the auras, you would still use it??
Face it you use it for the BP more than anything Well, bluntly I don't even have the perk, but I imagine I'd be using it for both based on seeing numerous streamers. I don't like to camp, and I wouldn't mind hooking everyone once. BBQ would help with that. I might use it for auras because it's got more uses than something like Rancor, or bitter murmur which are maxed out at 5. But people have various want and needs. In the end, though, I'm not arguing against WGLF buffs, but you're looking to put the boots to killers in the process. That's not cool. Are you serious you don’t even have BBQ???
Wahfs the point of your side of the argument then?? What's the point of yours? This whole venture is pretty pointless without a plan beyond "Screw killers, make survivors EVEN STRONGER!!!!" It's certainly not my fault that even with your vast time spent with the game you can't think of a worthwhile buff like I suggested.
Dude you don’t even use BBQ why are you still on here?
Because I sure as hell will when I get it for one.
For two, I'd like it to be in good working condition for when/if I actually do get it.
Third, I gotta comment on such a poorly thought out plan which hasn't evolved beyond "Screw killers, make survivors EVEN STRONGER!!!!"
Fourth, I'm actually trying to help you. Make a solid buff to WGLF that won't screw up balance and it might happen. You really think people are going to rally behind you if you're going to put them on the back burner?
Fifthly, you're bothered by killers looking out for their own best interests in the face of potential destruction of their abilities? REALLY? I mean talk about shooting yourself in the foot if you actually do play killer. Or survivor, too, actually! I'd think a survivor player would be thrilled to see killers get a real reason not to camp.
How long of a list do you need, here?
I’m sorry if I hurt your feelings. You have to realize though, I got hatch from a really good Myers BEFORE this nerf and that was just by hiding behind a gen. So in case you’re wondering BBQ is really only good towards from the beginning to the middle, once you get to a high enough rank and use it, survivors will know you have it and will come close enough to hide from it, but far enough for it to not make a difference to the killer.
What's that got to do with anything? Aside from basically admitting BBQ is just going to get it worse with the aura blocking being added to the game?
And beginning and middle is way bigger than the end. Especially with depipping people trying actively to have more fun in lower ranks.
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Rank means something? On the topic at hand, BBQ had way too many counters now. Perhaps if it was reversed where you'll see survivors closer than 40 meters or something.Speshul_Kitten said:
You’re a killer main I know it, and since killer mains like to pass fiction before facts here you go 😉Blueberry said:@Speshul_Kitten said:
Blueberry said:@Speshul_Kitten said:
Blueberry said:
@Speshul_Kitten said: Blueberry said:
@Speshul_Kitten said: Blueberry said:
@Speshul_Kitten said: Rebel_Raven said:
Ask for a realistic WGLF buff, then? I don't believe a soul is stopping you. IIRC WGLF was adjusted because it encouraged unhooking people directly in front of a killer, and other potato tactics, though. Killers need to have fun, or at the least feel like they're accomplishing something in the face of the crap survivors put them through (Especially SWF having fun at the killer's expense), and it's only going to get worse with the new survivor and aura blocker lockers. So, yeah, why not make a perk better towards this goal?
There just seems to be so much rant after one measley nerf to BBQ and everyone is losing their minds. Meanwhile, survivors are still farming teammates with WGLF and just adding BT to not lose the points. It seems minuscule to you because you aren't seeing what it will cause. I always leave hook for a bbq target unless i see a survivor or scratchmarks by the hook. After this change when I see no one with bbq I'm going to assume they are around the hook and not leave. This change literally discourages me from playing a way that makes the game more fun for all. This change is going to make camping skyrocket. Also in regards to your other comment. it's 4 perks vs 16 perks, that's why WGLF isn't completely equal to BBQ. You as a sole survivor are not supposed to be equal to the killer in a 1v4.
If you’re using the “it’s 4 VS 16 perks argument” I’m jus tgoing to stop trying to reason with you. You should know why, if not then I’m sorry you need to take some survivor education classes. Dude you probably don't even have 1/10 of my hours in this game much less rank 1 on both sides, clearly with your uninformed opinions. I already reasoned with you to explain and you couldn't follow it so instead you decided to insult. I’ve been playing since the Beta, over 4000 hours currently. Don’t try that with me. If I NEED to show you my rank 1 at both sides right now I will.
You’re just proving you’re either too killer sided or don’t understand logic when you say “4 perks vs 16” I play both sides at rank 1 regularly, there is no "killer sided" and I highly doubt those hours. Link it. Here’s the type of killer logic you’re using “Mr. Rank 1”
“If Claudette dies she’s gonna let the Feng use her BT. Then if Feng dies she’ll let Claudette use her Lithe.”
Thats your “4 perks VS 16” logic right there.
Firstly, no link, because you're clearly lying.
Second, no, that's not the logic i'm using. Then again, how would you even know, you jumped to insults before even having a conversation.
4v16 meaning you bring certain perks to counter survivor perks but you can't counter all 16 with just your 4.
So you’re saying by your “logic” that there’s no possible way a killer can use 4 perks to counter 16, not even redundant perks?? Listen, you’re clearly one sided no matter what you think. You sound like you only live for Killer, clearly you still think all 16 perks being used in one game are completely different from each other EVEN if the survivors are running the exact same perks.
4v16 is to express a point, not to literally mean every single perk will be different and 4 perks are not enough to counter 16 unless literally every single survivor has the exact same 4 perks. I don't live for killer, just unlike you, I actually play both sides at a high rank and know what's balanced and what isn't. It's quite clear at this point that you are a new player to this game and trying to explain these things to you is getting no where. You're being belligerent and arrogant while also not having enough experience in the game to understand. It's clear you're going no where so I'm done here.
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Apparently to@Blueberry it means everything. Made all his points invalid either way, and thank you for verifying that it doesn’t.Nickenzie said:
Rank means something? On the topic at hand, BBQ had way too many counters now. Perhaps if it was reversed where you'll see survivors closer than 40 meters or something.Speshul_Kitten said:
You’re a killer main I know it, and since killer mains like to pass fiction before facts here you go 😉Blueberry said:@Speshul_Kitten said:
Blueberry said:@Speshul_Kitten said:
Blueberry said:
@Speshul_Kitten said: Blueberry said:
@Speshul_Kitten said: Blueberry said:
@Speshul_Kitten said: Rebel_Raven said:
Ask for a realistic WGLF buff, then? I don't believe a soul is stopping you. IIRC WGLF was adjusted because it encouraged unhooking people directly in front of a killer, and other potato tactics, though. Killers need to have fun, or at the least feel like they're accomplishing something in the face of the crap survivors put them through (Especially SWF having fun at the killer's expense), and it's only going to get worse with the new survivor and aura blocker lockers. So, yeah, why not make a perk better towards this goal?
There just seems to be so much rant after one measley nerf to BBQ and everyone is losing their minds. Meanwhile, survivors are still farming teammates with WGLF and just adding BT to not lose the points. It seems minuscule to you because you aren't seeing what it will cause. I always leave hook for a bbq target unless i see a survivor or scratchmarks by the hook. After this change when I see no one with bbq I'm going to assume they are around the hook and not leave. This change literally discourages me from playing a way that makes the game more fun for all. This change is going to make camping skyrocket. Also in regards to your other comment. it's 4 perks vs 16 perks, that's why WGLF isn't completely equal to BBQ. You as a sole survivor are not supposed to be equal to the killer in a 1v4.
If you’re using the “it’s 4 VS 16 perks argument” I’m jus tgoing to stop trying to reason with you. You should know why, if not then I’m sorry you need to take some survivor education classes. Dude you probably don't even have 1/10 of my hours in this game much less rank 1 on both sides, clearly with your uninformed opinions. I already reasoned with you to explain and you couldn't follow it so instead you decided to insult. I’ve been playing since the Beta, over 4000 hours currently. Don’t try that with me. If I NEED to show you my rank 1 at both sides right now I will.
You’re just proving you’re either too killer sided or don’t understand logic when you say “4 perks vs 16” I play both sides at rank 1 regularly, there is no "killer sided" and I highly doubt those hours. Link it. Here’s the type of killer logic you’re using “Mr. Rank 1”
“If Claudette dies she’s gonna let the Feng use her BT. Then if Feng dies she’ll let Claudette use her Lithe.”
Thats your “4 perks VS 16” logic right there.
Firstly, no link, because you're clearly lying.
Second, no, that's not the logic i'm using. Then again, how would you even know, you jumped to insults before even having a conversation.
4v16 meaning you bring certain perks to counter survivor perks but you can't counter all 16 with just your 4.
So you’re saying by your “logic” that there’s no possible way a killer can use 4 perks to counter 16, not even redundant perks?? Listen, you’re clearly one sided no matter what you think. You sound like you only live for Killer, clearly you still think all 16 perks being used in one game are completely different from each other EVEN if the survivors are running the exact same perks.
4v16 is to express a point, not to literally mean every single perk will be different and 4 perks are not enough to counter 16 unless literally every single survivor has the exact same 4 perks. I don't live for killer, just unlike you, I actually play both sides at a high rank and know what's balanced and what isn't. It's quite clear at this point that you are a new player to this game and trying to explain these things to you is getting no where. You're being belligerent and arrogant while also not having enough experience in the game to understand. It's clear you're going no where so I'm done here.
Im not against reversing BBQ, my point is, they should buff WGLF at the same time or first.0 -
@Speshul_Kitten said:
Malakir said:
Speshul_Kitten said:
Rebel_Raven said:@Speshul_Kitten said:
Rebel_Raven said:
Ask for a realistic WGLF buff, then? I don't believe a soul is stopping you. IIRC WGLF was adjusted because it encouraged unhooking people directly in front of a killer, and other potato tactics, though. Killers need to have fun, or at the least feel like they're accomplishing something in the face of the crap survivors put them through (Especially SWF having fun at the killer's expense), and it's only going to get worse with the new survivor and aura blocker lockers. So, yeah, why not make a perk better towards this goal?
There just seems to be so much rant after one measley nerf to BBQ and everyone is losing their minds. Meanwhile, survivors are still farming teammates with WGLF and just adding BT to not lose the points.
BT is getting a solid adjustment, though. Killers aren't too thrilled. Survivors are.
It's not a measly nerf either, it removes a hefty chunk of why people use it all together.
Really, am I the only one who uses it for BP’s?? From all the post I’ve seen most killers use it for BP’s. They must’ve changed their minds overnight.
but yes BT is getting a buff, all the more reason to farm with WGLF right?? That’s why WGLF deserves more of a readjustment then B.B.Q does right now.
Ehm just saying, we talk about BBQ because its the most used but these changes in combination with the new perk would easy counter EVERY aurora reading. Nurse calling, random, bitter murmur etc aura perks that INCENTIVES hunting and not camping
Plus BBQ had already 6 counties before these announced changes, 3 of them perk less. That's why people are pissed. One of the most used and counterable perks used by killers getting even more counties and nerfs so even a child can counter it now not even hiding behind a gen or faking a direction for example
Now people would heal next to the killer, he won't see you with nurse calling Anyway
Etc etcThat's why people are pissed and even me since I have even less interest to play killer than usual if these changes get through. I would see way more farmers and dumb mates at high ranks not for their accomplishments but because its even easier, leading a more frustrating game even on survivor side
Think like the killers are the ones who should sort it out who deserves to be high rank and good survivors the same for killers. If anybody can rank up even easier would hurt everybody.
Back to the topic, people get pissed nnot only making aura perks way less useful but also one of the strongest perks that everybody asked for a change, even from survivor side, DS, wasn't changed at all while all aura perks and one of the most counterable and used perk nerfed
But here’s the thing, would you give up any of your meta perks for this new survivor perk? I sure as hell wouldn’t. Furthermore, if we’re gonna talk about survivors having to use another perk to hide auras, doesn’t the killer have the ability to bring in Iron Maiden as well? Even more, survivors can only use that perk until it runs out of tokens.
I still think if they’re gonna rebuff BBQ then they should also buff WGLF to adjust the BT. WGLF is long overdue.
First of, why should any killer give up an older meta perk to counter a new broken perk for the survivor side?
That logic make no sense and I explained pretty well why people are pissed, why isn't a good change while you just say "Well, would you sacrifice something to not make this broken thing get in a live server?".. seriously, you can have a debate or you are just dumb?Yes the killer have such strong perk like, if a survivor exit a locker they are exposed for 15s. So to hit them in 15s they are already pretty close to just open the locker itself if I know they are there.
The other perk is "you can spam attacks while carrying a survivor with no cd and when you get body blocked you won't lose the grip on your prey". This is sooooooo situational you have no idea
and the last perk "show if 2 survivors works in a gen" so now the survivor have even more incentives to do gen rush correctly, 1 gen per survivor.
Totally the same thing as:
Perk that prevent auras 3 times, any auras not only BBQ, any auras that helped SURVIVORS to not be camped and incentives killer to leave the hookPerkless mechanic, now you counter auras even without perks staying in a locker. Yeah, even a perkless ability, great. So now I would use your logic. Let's say at the start of the game you all are exposed for 2 minutes, no counterplay, no totems to break. Just first 2 minutes exposed unless you are in a hook. Won't be a perk but would you sacrifice your DS or a meta perk to prevent this change? Now I hope you realize how stupid your sentence was
A perk that's bond 2.0 (after care). So another aura perk for survivor, which I won't mind, actually I like it and I might use it. The problem is all killers auras are being nerfed, even the ones that were barely viable now would become trash
Breakdown, i love this one since it opens up more to sabo builds. The problem? punish killers to do hooks, which is bad for one single reason. All the other nerfs that might came up makes the new killer perks laughable.
All these things plus just to make it even better, a killer that can't kill. Can only Hurt survivor but sucks at actually down them, an actual clown for survivors entertainment. Yeah I can figure out why people are pissed, if you can't you might play just one side or just stubborn to understand what you don't like taking it like a personal attack
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I’m having trouble understanding your frustrated sentencing structure. I think what you’re trying to illustrate is that a killer won’t give up a perk slot for Iron Maiden. Also, why would the game start with all survivors having the exposed effect, haven you ever heard of NOED?? And why do you bring up Legion when this is strictly a BBQ and WGLF debate, do you really need to reinforce this with outside bias?Malakir said:@Speshul_Kitten said:
Malakir said:
Speshul_Kitten said:
Rebel_Raven said:@Speshul_Kitten said:
Rebel_Raven said:
Ask for a realistic WGLF buff, then? I don't believe a soul is stopping you. IIRC WGLF was adjusted because it encouraged unhooking people directly in front of a killer, and other potato tactics, though. Killers need to have fun, or at the least feel like they're accomplishing something in the face of the crap survivors put them through (Especially SWF having fun at the killer's expense), and it's only going to get worse with the new survivor and aura blocker lockers. So, yeah, why not make a perk better towards this goal?
There just seems to be so much rant after one measley nerf to BBQ and everyone is losing their minds. Meanwhile, survivors are still farming teammates with WGLF and just adding BT to not lose the points.
BT is getting a solid adjustment, though. Killers aren't too thrilled. Survivors are.
It's not a measly nerf either, it removes a hefty chunk of why people use it all together.
Really, am I the only one who uses it for BP’s?? From all the post I’ve seen most killers use it for BP’s. They must’ve changed their minds overnight.
but yes BT is getting a buff, all the more reason to farm with WGLF right?? That’s why WGLF deserves more of a readjustment then B.B.Q does right now.
Ehm just saying, we talk about BBQ because its the most used but these changes in combination with the new perk would easy counter EVERY aurora reading. Nurse calling, random, bitter murmur etc aura perks that INCENTIVES hunting and not camping
Plus BBQ had already 6 counties before these announced changes, 3 of them perk less. That's why people are pissed. One of the most used and counterable perks used by killers getting even more counties and nerfs so even a child can counter it now not even hiding behind a gen or faking a direction for example
Now people would heal next to the killer, he won't see you with nurse calling Anyway
Etc etcThat's why people are pissed and even me since I have even less interest to play killer than usual if these changes get through. I would see way more farmers and dumb mates at high ranks not for their accomplishments but because its even easier, leading a more frustrating game even on survivor side
Think like the killers are the ones who should sort it out who deserves to be high rank and good survivors the same for killers. If anybody can rank up even easier would hurt everybody.
Back to the topic, people get pissed nnot only making aura perks way less useful but also one of the strongest perks that everybody asked for a change, even from survivor side, DS, wasn't changed at all while all aura perks and one of the most counterable and used perk nerfed
But here’s the thing, would you give up any of your meta perks for this new survivor perk? I sure as hell wouldn’t. Furthermore, if we’re gonna talk about survivors having to use another perk to hide auras, doesn’t the killer have the ability to bring in Iron Maiden as well? Even more, survivors can only use that perk until it runs out of tokens.
I still think if they’re gonna rebuff BBQ then they should also buff WGLF to adjust the BT. WGLF is long overdue.
First of, why should any killer give up an older meta perk to counter a new broken perk for the survivor side?
That logic make no sense and I explained pretty well why people are pissed, why isn't a good change while you just say "Well, would you sacrifice something to not make this broken thing get in a live server?".. seriously, you can have a debate or you are just dumb?Yes the killer have such strong perk like, if a survivor exit a locker they are exposed for 15s. So to hit them in 15s they are already pretty close to just open the locker itself if I know they are there.
The other perk is "you can spam attacks while carrying a survivor with no cd and when you get body blocked you won't lose the grip on your prey". This is sooooooo situational you have no idea
and the last perk "show if 2 survivors works in a gen" so now the survivor have even more incentives to do gen rush correctly, 1 gen per survivor.
Totally the same thing as:
Perk that prevent auras 3 times, any auras not only BBQ, any auras that helped SURVIVORS to not be camped and incentives killer to leave the hookPerkless mechanic, now you counter auras even without perks staying in a locker. Yeah, even a perkless ability, great. So now I would use your logic. Let's say at the start of the game you all are exposed for 2 minutes, no counterplay, no totems to break. Just first 2 minutes exposed unless you are in a hook. Won't be a perk but would you sacrifice your DS or a meta perk to prevent this change? Now I hope you realize how stupid your sentence was
A perk that's bond 2.0 (after care). So another aura perk for survivor, which I won't mind, actually I like it and I might use it. The problem is all killers auras are being nerfed, even the ones that were barely viable now would become trash
Breakdown, i love this one since it opens up more to sabo builds. The problem? punish killers to do hooks, which is bad for one single reason. All the other nerfs that might came up makes the new killer perks laughable.
All these things plus just to make it even better, a killer that can't kill. Can only Hurt survivor but sucks at actually down them, an actual clown for survivors entertainment. Yeah I can figure out why people are pissed, if you can't you might play just one side or just stubborn to understand what you don't like taking it like a personal attack
My point still stands, good survivors won’t give up a meta spot for the aura perk.
WGLF should be buffed if they’re going to revert the aura locker effect.
And to completely disregard your last argument, I already proved I play both sides, as requested1 -
OK you are right. You don't understandSpeshul_Kitten said:
I’m having trouble understanding your frustrated sentencing structure. I think what you’re trying to illustrate is that a killer won’t give up a perk slot for Iron Maiden. Also, why would the game start with all survivors having the exposed effect, haven you ever heard of NOED?? And why do you bring up Legion when this is strictly a BBQ and WGLF debate, do you really need to reinforce this with outside bias?Malakir said:@Speshul_Kitten said:
Malakir said:
Speshul_Kitten said:
Rebel_Raven said:@Speshul_Kitten said:
Rebel_Raven said:
Ask for a realistic WGLF buff, then? I don't believe a soul is stopping you. IIRC WGLF was adjusted because it encouraged unhooking people directly in front of a killer, and other potato tactics, though. Killers need to have fun, or at the least feel like they're accomplishing something in the face of the crap survivors put them through (Especially SWF having fun at the killer's expense), and it's only going to get worse with the new survivor and aura blocker lockers. So, yeah, why not make a perk better towards this goal?
There just seems to be so much rant after one measley nerf to BBQ and everyone is losing their minds. Meanwhile, survivors are still farming teammates with WGLF and just adding BT to not lose the points.
BT is getting a solid adjustment, though. Killers aren't too thrilled. Survivors are.
It's not a measly nerf either, it removes a hefty chunk of why people use it all together.
Really, am I the only one who uses it for BP’s?? From all the post I’ve seen most killers use it for BP’s. They must’ve changed their minds overnight.
but yes BT is getting a buff, all the more reason to farm with WGLF right?? That’s why WGLF deserves more of a readjustment then B.B.Q does right now.
Ehm just saying, we talk about BBQ because its the most used but these changes in combination with the new perk would easy counter EVERY aurora reading. Nurse calling, random, bitter murmur etc aura perks that INCENTIVES hunting and not camping
Plus BBQ had already 6 counties before these announced changes, 3 of them perk less. That's why people are pissed. One of the most used and counterable perks used by killers getting even more counties and nerfs so even a child can counter it now not even hiding behind a gen or faking a direction for example
Now people would heal next to the killer, he won't see you with nurse calling Anyway
Etc etcThat's why people are pissed and even me since I have even less interest to play killer than usual if these changes get through. I would see way more farmers and dumb mates at high ranks not for their accomplishments but because its even easier, leading a more frustrating game even on survivor side
Think like the killers are the ones who should sort it out who deserves to be high rank and good survivors the same for killers. If anybody can rank up even easier would hurt everybody.
Back to the topic, people get pissed nnot only making aura perks way less useful but also one of the strongest perks that everybody asked for a change, even from survivor side, DS, wasn't changed at all while all aura perks and one of the most counterable and used perk nerfed
But here’s the thing, would you give up any of your meta perks for this new survivor perk? I sure as hell wouldn’t. Furthermore, if we’re gonna talk about survivors having to use another perk to hide auras, doesn’t the killer have the ability to bring in Iron Maiden as well? Even more, survivors can only use that perk until it runs out of tokens.
I still think if they’re gonna rebuff BBQ then they should also buff WGLF to adjust the BT. WGLF is long overdue.
First of, why should any killer give up an older meta perk to counter a new broken perk for the survivor side?
That logic make no sense and I explained pretty well why people are pissed, why isn't a good change while you just say "Well, would you sacrifice something to not make this broken thing get in a live server?".. seriously, you can have a debate or you are just dumb?Yes the killer have such strong perk like, if a survivor exit a locker they are exposed for 15s. So to hit them in 15s they are already pretty close to just open the locker itself if I know they are there.
The other perk is "you can spam attacks while carrying a survivor with no cd and when you get body blocked you won't lose the grip on your prey". This is sooooooo situational you have no idea
and the last perk "show if 2 survivors works in a gen" so now the survivor have even more incentives to do gen rush correctly, 1 gen per survivor.
Totally the same thing as:
Perk that prevent auras 3 times, any auras not only BBQ, any auras that helped SURVIVORS to not be camped and incentives killer to leave the hookPerkless mechanic, now you counter auras even without perks staying in a locker. Yeah, even a perkless ability, great. So now I would use your logic. Let's say at the start of the game you all are exposed for 2 minutes, no counterplay, no totems to break. Just first 2 minutes exposed unless you are in a hook. Won't be a perk but would you sacrifice your DS or a meta perk to prevent this change? Now I hope you realize how stupid your sentence was
A perk that's bond 2.0 (after care). So another aura perk for survivor, which I won't mind, actually I like it and I might use it. The problem is all killers auras are being nerfed, even the ones that were barely viable now would become trash
Breakdown, i love this one since it opens up more to sabo builds. The problem? punish killers to do hooks, which is bad for one single reason. All the other nerfs that might came up makes the new killer perks laughable.
All these things plus just to make it even better, a killer that can't kill. Can only Hurt survivor but sucks at actually down them, an actual clown for survivors entertainment. Yeah I can figure out why people are pissed, if you can't you might play just one side or just stubborn to understand what you don't like taking it like a personal attack
My point still stands, good survivors won’t give up a meta spot for the aura perk.
WGLF should be buffed if they’re going to revert the aura locker effect.
And to completely disregard your last argument, I already proved I play both sides, as requested
If you even can't understand what I'm talking about even using your logic making a dumb statement like you did before, I don't new to keep discussing with you
Its pointless, would be easier teach a rock to jump.
Disregard my argument that's Hilarious when you can't understand what I say even if explained it two times and straw man my points. That's cute0 -
Okay since you’re logic makes absolute sense.Malakir said:
OK you are right. You don't understandSpeshul_Kitten said:
I’m having trouble understanding your frustrated sentencing structure. I think what you’re trying to illustrate is that a killer won’t give up a perk slot for Iron Maiden. Also, why would the game start with all survivors having the exposed effect, haven you ever heard of NOED?? And why do you bring up Legion when this is strictly a BBQ and WGLF debate, do you really need to reinforce this with outside bias?Malakir said:@Speshul_Kitten said:
Malakir said:
Speshul_Kitten said:
Rebel_Raven said:@Speshul_Kitten said:
Rebel_Raven said:
Ask for a realistic WGLF buff, then? I don't believe a soul is stopping you. IIRC WGLF was adjusted because it encouraged unhooking people directly in front of a killer, and other potato tactics, though. Killers need to have fun, or at the least feel like they're accomplishing something in the face of the crap survivors put them through (Especially SWF having fun at the killer's expense), and it's only going to get worse with the new survivor and aura blocker lockers. So, yeah, why not make a perk better towards this goal?
There just seems to be so much rant after one measley nerf to BBQ and everyone is losing their minds. Meanwhile, survivors are still farming teammates with WGLF and just adding BT to not lose the points.
BT is getting a solid adjustment, though. Killers aren't too thrilled. Survivors are.
It's not a measly nerf either, it removes a hefty chunk of why people use it all together.
Really, am I the only one who uses it for BP’s?? From all the post I’ve seen most killers use it for BP’s. They must’ve changed their minds overnight.
but yes BT is getting a buff, all the more reason to farm with WGLF right?? That’s why WGLF deserves more of a readjustment then B.B.Q does right now.
Ehm just saying, we talk about BBQ because its the most used but these changes in combination with the new perk would easy counter EVERY aurora reading. Nurse calling, random, bitter murmur etc aura perks that INCENTIVES hunting and not camping
Plus BBQ had already 6 counties before these announced changes, 3 of them perk less. That's why people are pissed. One of the most used and counterable perks used by killers getting even more counties and nerfs so even a child can counter it now not even hiding behind a gen or faking a direction for example
Now people would heal next to the killer, he won't see you with nurse calling Anyway
Etc etcThat's why people are pissed and even me since I have even less interest to play killer than usual if these changes get through. I would see way more farmers and dumb mates at high ranks not for their accomplishments but because its even easier, leading a more frustrating game even on survivor side
Think like the killers are the ones who should sort it out who deserves to be high rank and good survivors the same for killers. If anybody can rank up even easier would hurt everybody.
Back to the topic, people get pissed nnot only making aura perks way less useful but also one of the strongest perks that everybody asked for a change, even from survivor side, DS, wasn't changed at all while all aura perks and one of the most counterable and used perk nerfed
But here’s the thing, would you give up any of your meta perks for this new survivor perk? I sure as hell wouldn’t. Furthermore, if we’re gonna talk about survivors having to use another perk to hide auras, doesn’t the killer have the ability to bring in Iron Maiden as well? Even more, survivors can only use that perk until it runs out of tokens.
I still think if they’re gonna rebuff BBQ then they should also buff WGLF to adjust the BT. WGLF is long overdue.
First of, why should any killer give up an older meta perk to counter a new broken perk for the survivor side?
That logic make no sense and I explained pretty well why people are pissed, why isn't a good change while you just say "Well, would you sacrifice something to not make this broken thing get in a live server?".. seriously, you can have a debate or you are just dumb?Yes the killer have such strong perk like, if a survivor exit a locker they are exposed for 15s. So to hit them in 15s they are already pretty close to just open the locker itself if I know they are there.
The other perk is "you can spam attacks while carrying a survivor with no cd and when you get body blocked you won't lose the grip on your prey". This is sooooooo situational you have no idea
and the last perk "show if 2 survivors works in a gen" so now the survivor have even more incentives to do gen rush correctly, 1 gen per survivor.
Totally the same thing as:
Perk that prevent auras 3 times, any auras not only BBQ, any auras that helped SURVIVORS to not be camped and incentives killer to leave the hookPerkless mechanic, now you counter auras even without perks staying in a locker. Yeah, even a perkless ability, great. So now I would use your logic. Let's say at the start of the game you all are exposed for 2 minutes, no counterplay, no totems to break. Just first 2 minutes exposed unless you are in a hook. Won't be a perk but would you sacrifice your DS or a meta perk to prevent this change? Now I hope you realize how stupid your sentence was
A perk that's bond 2.0 (after care). So another aura perk for survivor, which I won't mind, actually I like it and I might use it. The problem is all killers auras are being nerfed, even the ones that were barely viable now would become trash
Breakdown, i love this one since it opens up more to sabo builds. The problem? punish killers to do hooks, which is bad for one single reason. All the other nerfs that might came up makes the new killer perks laughable.
All these things plus just to make it even better, a killer that can't kill. Can only Hurt survivor but sucks at actually down them, an actual clown for survivors entertainment. Yeah I can figure out why people are pissed, if you can't you might play just one side or just stubborn to understand what you don't like taking it like a personal attack
My point still stands, good survivors won’t give up a meta spot for the aura perk.
WGLF should be buffed if they’re going to revert the aura locker effect.
And to completely disregard your last argument, I already proved I play both sides, as requested
If you even can't understand what I'm talking about even using your logic making a dumb statement like you did before, I don't new to keep discussing with you
Its pointless, would be easier teach a rock to jump.
Disregard my argument that's Hilarious when you can't understand what I say even if explained it two times and straw man my points. That's cute0 -
@Speshul_Kitten said:
Rebel_Raven said:Ask for a realistic WGLF buff, then? I don't believe a soul is stopping you.
IIRC WGLF was adjusted because it encouraged unhooking people directly in front of a killer, and other potato tactics, though.
Killers need to have fun, or at the least feel like they're accomplishing something in the face of the crap survivors put them through (Especially SWF having fun at the killer's expense), and it's only going to get worse with the new survivor and aura blocker lockers.
So, yeah, why not make a perk better towards this goal?
There just seems to be so much rant after one measley nerf to BBQ and everyone is losing their minds. Meanwhile, survivors are still farming teammates with WGLF and just adding BT to not lose the points.
Well what it's going to do is force Iron Maiden with BBQ users so they can tell when people go into lockers, if anyone is getting Distortion though, then that's going to be another issue. Granted Freddy might be the hard countered by distortion users if it becomes meta since he has multiple passive ways of reading auras so this would also unintentionally nerf him as well.
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I at leadt use logic making examples after examples giving you facts like that already existing counters etcSpeshul_Kitten said:
Okay since you’re logic makes absolute sense.Malakir said:
OK you are right. You don't understandSpeshul_Kitten said:
I’m having trouble understanding your frustrated sentencing structure. I think what you’re trying to illustrate is that a killer won’t give up a perk slot for Iron Maiden. Also, why would the game start with all survivors having the exposed effect, haven you ever heard of NOED?? And why do you bring up Legion when this is strictly a BBQ and WGLF debate, do you really need to reinforce this with outside bias?Malakir said:@Speshul_Kitten said:
Malakir said:
Speshul_Kitten said:
Rebel_Raven said:@Speshul_Kitten said:
Rebel_Raven said:
Ask for a realistic WGLF buff, then? I don't believe a soul is stopping you. IIRC WGLF was adjusted because it encouraged unhooking people directly in front of a killer, and other potato tactics, though. Killers need to have fun, or at the least feel like they're accomplishing something in the face of the crap survivors put them through (Especially SWF having fun at the killer's expense), and it's only going to get worse with the new survivor and aura blocker lockers. So, yeah, why not make a perk better towards this goal?
There just seems to be so much rant after one measley nerf to BBQ and everyone is losing their minds. Meanwhile, survivors are still farming teammates with WGLF and just adding BT to not lose the points.
BT is getting a solid adjustment, though. Killers aren't too thrilled. Survivors are.
It's not a measly nerf either, it removes a hefty chunk of why people use it all together.
Really, am I the only one who uses it for BP’s?? From all the post I’ve seen most killers use it for BP’s. They must’ve changed their minds overnight.
but yes BT is getting a buff, all the more reason to farm with WGLF right?? That’s why WGLF deserves more of a readjustment then B.B.Q does right now.
Ehm just saying, we talk about BBQ because its the most used but these changes in combination with the new perk would easy counter EVERY aurora reading. Nurse calling, random, bitter murmur etc aura perks that INCENTIVES hunting and not camping
Plus BBQ had already 6 counties before these announced changes, 3 of them perk less. That's why people are pissed. One of the most used and counterable perks used by killers getting even more counties and nerfs so even a child can counter it now not even hiding behind a gen or faking a direction for example
Now people would heal next to the killer, he won't see you with nurse calling Anyway
Etc etcThat's why people are pissed and even me since I have even less interest to play killer than usual if these changes get through. I would see way more farmers and dumb mates at high ranks not for their accomplishments but because its even easier, leading a more frustrating game even on survivor side
Think like the killers are the ones who should sort it out who deserves to be high rank and good survivors the same for killers. If anybody can rank up even easier would hurt everybody.
Back to the topic, people get pissed nnot only making aura perks way less useful but also one of the strongest perks that everybody asked for a change, even from survivor side, DS, wasn't changed at all while all aura perks and one of the most counterable and used perk nerfed
But here’s the thing, would you give up any of your meta perks for this new survivor perk? I sure as hell wouldn’t. Furthermore, if we’re gonna talk about survivors having to use another perk to hide auras, doesn’t the killer have the ability to bring in Iron Maiden as well? Even more, survivors can only use that perk until it runs out of tokens.
I still think if they’re gonna rebuff BBQ then they should also buff WGLF to adjust the BT. WGLF is long overdue.
First of, why should any killer give up an older meta perk to counter a new broken perk for the survivor side?
That logic make no sense and I explained pretty well why people are pissed, why isn't a good change while you just say "Well, would you sacrifice something to not make this broken thing get in a live server?".. seriously, you can have a debate or you are just dumb?Yes the killer have such strong perk like, if a survivor exit a locker they are exposed for 15s. So to hit them in 15s they are already pretty close to just open the locker itself if I know they are there.
The other perk is "you can spam attacks while carrying a survivor with no cd and when you get body blocked you won't lose the grip on your prey". This is sooooooo situational you have no idea
and the last perk "show if 2 survivors works in a gen" so now the survivor have even more incentives to do gen rush correctly, 1 gen per survivor.
Totally the same thing as:
Perk that prevent auras 3 times, any auras not only BBQ, any auras that helped SURVIVORS to not be camped and incentives killer to leave the hookPerkless mechanic, now you counter auras even without perks staying in a locker. Yeah, even a perkless ability, great. So now I would use your logic. Let's say at the start of the game you all are exposed for 2 minutes, no counterplay, no totems to break. Just first 2 minutes exposed unless you are in a hook. Won't be a perk but would you sacrifice your DS or a meta perk to prevent this change? Now I hope you realize how stupid your sentence was
A perk that's bond 2.0 (after care). So another aura perk for survivor, which I won't mind, actually I like it and I might use it. The problem is all killers auras are being nerfed, even the ones that were barely viable now would become trash
Breakdown, i love this one since it opens up more to sabo builds. The problem? punish killers to do hooks, which is bad for one single reason. All the other nerfs that might came up makes the new killer perks laughable.
All these things plus just to make it even better, a killer that can't kill. Can only Hurt survivor but sucks at actually down them, an actual clown for survivors entertainment. Yeah I can figure out why people are pissed, if you can't you might play just one side or just stubborn to understand what you don't like taking it like a personal attack
My point still stands, good survivors won’t give up a meta spot for the aura perk.
WGLF should be buffed if they’re going to revert the aura locker effect.
And to completely disregard your last argument, I already proved I play both sides, as requested
If you even can't understand what I'm talking about even using your logic making a dumb statement like you did before, I don't new to keep discussing with you
Its pointless, would be easier teach a rock to jump.
Disregard my argument that's Hilarious when you can't understand what I say even if explained it two times and straw man my points. That's cute
You just say "no you're wrong"
I can't talk with someone who uses feeling vs real arguments and straw man mines, I'm sorry0 -
Yeah cause starting the game wit exposed status effect is a logical way of putting things.Malakir said:
I at leadt use logic making examples after examples giving you facts like that already existing counters etcSpeshul_Kitten said:
Okay since you’re logic makes absolute sense.Malakir said:
OK you are right. You don't understandSpeshul_Kitten said:
I’m having trouble understanding your frustrated sentencing structure. I think what you’re trying to illustrate is that a killer won’t give up a perk slot for Iron Maiden. Also, why would the game start with all survivors having the exposed effect, haven you ever heard of NOED?? And why do you bring up Legion when this is strictly a BBQ and WGLF debate, do you really need to reinforce this with outside bias?Malakir said:@Speshul_Kitten said:
Malakir said:
Speshul_Kitten said:
Rebel_Raven said:@Speshul_Kitten said:
Rebel_Raven said:
Ask for a realistic WGLF buff, then? I don't believe a soul is stopping you. IIRC WGLF was adjusted because it encouraged unhooking people directly in front of a killer, and other potato tactics, though. Killers need to have fun, or at the least feel like they're accomplishing something in the face of the crap survivors put them through (Especially SWF having fun at the killer's expense), and it's only going to get worse with the new survivor and aura blocker lockers. So, yeah, why not make a perk better towards this goal?
There just seems to be so much rant after one measley nerf to BBQ and everyone is losing their minds. Meanwhile, survivors are still farming teammates with WGLF and just adding BT to not lose the points.
BT is getting a solid adjustment, though. Killers aren't too thrilled. Survivors are.
It's not a measly nerf either, it removes a hefty chunk of why people use it all together.
Really, am I the only one who uses it for BP’s?? From all the post I’ve seen most killers use it for BP’s. They must’ve changed their minds overnight.
but yes BT is getting a buff, all the more reason to farm with WGLF right?? That’s why WGLF deserves more of a readjustment then B.B.Q does right now.
Ehm just saying, we talk about BBQ because its the most used but these changes in combination with the new perk would easy counter EVERY aurora reading. Nurse calling, random, bitter murmur etc aura perks that INCENTIVES hunting and not camping
Plus BBQ had already 6 counties before these announced changes, 3 of them perk less. That's why people are pissed. One of the most used and counterable perks used by killers getting even more counties and nerfs so even a child can counter it now not even hiding behind a gen or faking a direction for example
Now people would heal next to the killer, he won't see you with nurse calling Anyway
Etc etcThat's why people are pissed and even me since I have even less interest to play killer than usual if these changes get through. I would see way more farmers and dumb mates at high ranks not for their accomplishments but because its even easier, leading a more frustrating game even on survivor side
Think like the killers are the ones who should sort it out who deserves to be high rank and good survivors the same for killers. If anybody can rank up even easier would hurt everybody.
Back to the topic, people get pissed nnot only making aura perks way less useful but also one of the strongest perks that everybody asked for a change, even from survivor side, DS, wasn't changed at all while all aura perks and one of the most counterable and used perk nerfed
But here’s the thing, would you give up any of your meta perks for this new survivor perk? I sure as hell wouldn’t. Furthermore, if we’re gonna talk about survivors having to use another perk to hide auras, doesn’t the killer have the ability to bring in Iron Maiden as well? Even more, survivors can only use that perk until it runs out of tokens.
I still think if they’re gonna rebuff BBQ then they should also buff WGLF to adjust the BT. WGLF is long overdue.
First of, why should any killer give up an older meta perk to counter a new broken perk for the survivor side?
That logic make no sense and I explained pretty well why people are pissed, why isn't a good change while you just say "Well, would you sacrifice something to not make this broken thing get in a live server?".. seriously, you can have a debate or you are just dumb?Yes the killer have such strong perk like, if a survivor exit a locker they are exposed for 15s. So to hit them in 15s they are already pretty close to just open the locker itself if I know they are there.
The other perk is "you can spam attacks while carrying a survivor with no cd and when you get body blocked you won't lose the grip on your prey". This is sooooooo situational you have no idea
and the last perk "show if 2 survivors works in a gen" so now the survivor have even more incentives to do gen rush correctly, 1 gen per survivor.
Totally the same thing as:
Perk that prevent auras 3 times, any auras not only BBQ, any auras that helped SURVIVORS to not be camped and incentives killer to leave the hookPerkless mechanic, now you counter auras even without perks staying in a locker. Yeah, even a perkless ability, great. So now I would use your logic. Let's say at the start of the game you all are exposed for 2 minutes, no counterplay, no totems to break. Just first 2 minutes exposed unless you are in a hook. Won't be a perk but would you sacrifice your DS or a meta perk to prevent this change? Now I hope you realize how stupid your sentence was
A perk that's bond 2.0 (after care). So another aura perk for survivor, which I won't mind, actually I like it and I might use it. The problem is all killers auras are being nerfed, even the ones that were barely viable now would become trash
Breakdown, i love this one since it opens up more to sabo builds. The problem? punish killers to do hooks, which is bad for one single reason. All the other nerfs that might came up makes the new killer perks laughable.
All these things plus just to make it even better, a killer that can't kill. Can only Hurt survivor but sucks at actually down them, an actual clown for survivors entertainment. Yeah I can figure out why people are pissed, if you can't you might play just one side or just stubborn to understand what you don't like taking it like a personal attack
My point still stands, good survivors won’t give up a meta spot for the aura perk.
WGLF should be buffed if they’re going to revert the aura locker effect.
And to completely disregard your last argument, I already proved I play both sides, as requested
If you even can't understand what I'm talking about even using your logic making a dumb statement like you did before, I don't new to keep discussing with you
Its pointless, would be easier teach a rock to jump.
Disregard my argument that's Hilarious when you can't understand what I say even if explained it two times and straw man my points. That's cute
You just say "no you're wrong"
I can't talk with someone who uses feeling vs real arguments and straw man mines, I'm sorry0 -
This is silly. BBQ was the best reveal ability in the game, having close to no counterplay.(other than standing within it's radius or behind a gen.)
Lockers are the worst tool to avoid the killer. It's a high risk but low reward tool with limited accessibility. With this change thought, it will actually be worth it to use the lockers other than the few niche it had before that.
I also do not understand all the complaints about distortion, it seems to be the worst of the 3 new perk, simply because I see it all the 3 tokens melting within the first half of the match.
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Freddy just needs a rework altogether though, I’m sure this locker aura is part of his future works.akbays35 said:@Speshul_Kitten said:
Rebel_Raven said:Ask for a realistic WGLF buff, then? I don't believe a soul is stopping you.
IIRC WGLF was adjusted because it encouraged unhooking people directly in front of a killer, and other potato tactics, though.
Killers need to have fun, or at the least feel like they're accomplishing something in the face of the crap survivors put them through (Especially SWF having fun at the killer's expense), and it's only going to get worse with the new survivor and aura blocker lockers.
So, yeah, why not make a perk better towards this goal?
There just seems to be so much rant after one measley nerf to BBQ and everyone is losing their minds. Meanwhile, survivors are still farming teammates with WGLF and just adding BT to not lose the points.
Well what it's going to do is force Iron Maiden with BBQ users so they can tell when people go into lockers, if anyone is getting Distortion though, then that's going to be another issue. Granted Freddy might be the hard countered by distortion users if it becomes meta since he has multiple passive ways of reading auras so this would also unintentionally nerf him as well.
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That’s why the devs put the locker as a counter, because it’s a high risk low reward action.Juya said:This is silly. BBQ was the best reveal ability in the game, having close to no counterplay.(other than standing within it's radius or behind a gen.)
Lockers are the worst tool to avoid the killer. It's a high risk but low reward tool with limited accessibility. With this change thought, it will actually be worth it to use the lockers other than the few niche it had before that.
I also do not understand all the complaints about distortion, it seems to be the worst of the 3 new perk, simply because I see it all the 3 tokens melting within the first half of the match.
Exactly my point wit distortion, it will be gone before the match is halfway over.0 -
I was using you logic there making a dumb example like for me I dumb be that protected from aura effects WITHOUT perksSpeshul_Kitten said:
Yeah cause starting the game wit exposed status effect is a logical way of putting things.Malakir said:
I at leadt use logic making examples after examples giving you facts like that already existing counters etcSpeshul_Kitten said:
Okay since you’re logic makes absolute sense.Malakir said:
OK you are right. You don't understandSpeshul_Kitten said:
I’m having trouble understanding your frustrated sentencing structure. I think what you’re trying to illustrate is that a killer won’t give up a perk slot for Iron Maiden. Also, why would the game start with all survivors having the exposed effect, haven you ever heard of NOED?? And why do you bring up Legion when this is strictly a BBQ and WGLF debate, do you really need to reinforce this with outside bias?Malakir said:@Speshul_Kitten said:
Malakir said:
Speshul_Kitten said:
Rebel_Raven said:@Speshul_Kitten said:
Rebel_Raven said:
Ask for a realistic WGLF buff, then? I don't believe a soul is stopping you. IIRC WGLF was adjusted because it encouraged unhooking people directly in front of a killer, and other potato tactics, though. Killers need to have fun, or at the least feel like they're accomplishing something in the face of the crap survivors put them through (Especially SWF having fun at the killer's expense), and it's only going to get worse with the new survivor and aura blocker lockers. So, yeah, why not make a perk better towards this goal?
There just seems to be so much rant after one measley nerf to BBQ and everyone is losing their minds. Meanwhile, survivors are still farming teammates with WGLF and just adding BT to not lose the points.
BT is getting a solid adjustment, though. Killers aren't too thrilled. Survivors are.
It's not a measly nerf either, it removes a hefty chunk of why people use it all together.
Really, am I the only one who uses it for BP’s?? From all the post I’ve seen most killers use it for BP’s. They must’ve changed their minds overnight.
but yes BT is getting a buff, all the more reason to farm with WGLF right?? That’s why WGLF deserves more of a readjustment then B.B.Q does right now.
Ehm just saying, we talk about BBQ because its the most used but these changes in combination with the new perk would easy counter EVERY aurora reading. Nurse calling, random, bitter murmur etc aura perks that INCENTIVES hunting and not camping
Plus BBQ had already 6 counties before these announced changes, 3 of them perk less. That's why people are pissed. One of the most used and counterable perks used by killers getting even more counties and nerfs so even a child can counter it now not even hiding behind a gen or faking a direction for example
Now people would heal next to the killer, he won't see you with nurse calling Anyway
Etc etcThat's why people are pissed and even me since I have even less interest to play killer than usual if these changes get through. I would see way more farmers and dumb mates at high ranks not for their accomplishments but because its even easier, leading a more frustrating game even on survivor side
Think like the killers are the ones who should sort it out who deserves to be high rank and good survivors the same for killers. If anybody can rank up even easier would hurt everybody.
Back to the topic, people get pissed nnot only making aura perks way less useful but also one of the strongest perks that everybody asked for a change, even from survivor side, DS, wasn't changed at all while all aura perks and one of the most counterable and used perk nerfed
But here’s the thing, would you give up any of your meta perks for this new survivor perk? I sure as hell wouldn’t. Furthermore, if we’re gonna talk about survivors having to use another perk to hide auras, doesn’t the killer have the ability to bring in Iron Maiden as well? Even more, survivors can only use that perk until it runs out of tokens.
I still think if they’re gonna rebuff BBQ then they should also buff WGLF to adjust the BT. WGLF is long overdue.
First of, why should any killer give up an older meta perk to counter a new broken perk for the survivor side?
That logic make no sense and I explained pretty well why people are pissed, why isn't a good change while you just say "Well, would you sacrifice something to not make this broken thing get in a live server?".. seriously, you can have a debate or you are just dumb?Yes the killer have such strong perk like, if a survivor exit a locker they are exposed for 15s. So to hit them in 15s they are already pretty close to just open the locker itself if I know they are there.
The other perk is "you can spam attacks while carrying a survivor with no cd and when you get body blocked you won't lose the grip on your prey". This is sooooooo situational you have no idea
and the last perk "show if 2 survivors works in a gen" so now the survivor have even more incentives to do gen rush correctly, 1 gen per survivor.
Totally the same thing as:
Perk that prevent auras 3 times, any auras not only BBQ, any auras that helped SURVIVORS to not be camped and incentives killer to leave the hookPerkless mechanic, now you counter auras even without perks staying in a locker. Yeah, even a perkless ability, great. So now I would use your logic. Let's say at the start of the game you all are exposed for 2 minutes, no counterplay, no totems to break. Just first 2 minutes exposed unless you are in a hook. Won't be a perk but would you sacrifice your DS or a meta perk to prevent this change? Now I hope you realize how stupid your sentence was
A perk that's bond 2.0 (after care). So another aura perk for survivor, which I won't mind, actually I like it and I might use it. The problem is all killers auras are being nerfed, even the ones that were barely viable now would become trash
Breakdown, i love this one since it opens up more to sabo builds. The problem? punish killers to do hooks, which is bad for one single reason. All the other nerfs that might came up makes the new killer perks laughable.
All these things plus just to make it even better, a killer that can't kill. Can only Hurt survivor but sucks at actually down them, an actual clown for survivors entertainment. Yeah I can figure out why people are pissed, if you can't you might play just one side or just stubborn to understand what you don't like taking it like a personal attack
My point still stands, good survivors won’t give up a meta spot for the aura perk.
WGLF should be buffed if they’re going to revert the aura locker effect.
And to completely disregard your last argument, I already proved I play both sides, as requested
If you even can't understand what I'm talking about even using your logic making a dumb statement like you did before, I don't new to keep discussing with you
Its pointless, would be easier teach a rock to jump.
Disregard my argument that's Hilarious when you can't understand what I say even if explained it two times and straw man my points. That's cute
You just say "no you're wrong"
I can't talk with someone who uses feeling vs real arguments and straw man mines, I'm sorry
As far as I can see you can't understand yet. Don't worry its fine dude, everyone is gifted in different things. You might be very good in other stuff for sure
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Mine is in logic, yours on the other hand might need some work, along with your English. You literally just called yourself dumb lol 😂Malakir said:
I was using you logic there making a dumb example like for me I dumb be that protected from aura effects WITHOUT perksSpeshul_Kitten said:
Yeah cause starting the game wit exposed status effect is a logical way of putting things.Malakir said:
I at leadt use logic making examples after examples giving you facts like that already existing counters etcSpeshul_Kitten said:
Okay since you’re logic makes absolute sense.Malakir said:
OK you are right. You don't understandSpeshul_Kitten said:
I’m having trouble understanding your frustrated sentencing structure. I think what you’re trying to illustrate is that a killer won’t give up a perk slot for Iron Maiden. Also, why would the game start with all survivors having the exposed effect, haven you ever heard of NOED?? And why do you bring up Legion when this is strictly a BBQ and WGLF debate, do you really need to reinforce this with outside bias?Malakir said:@Speshul_Kitten said:
Malakir said:
Speshul_Kitten said:
Rebel_Raven said:@Speshul_Kitten said:
Rebel_Raven said:
Ask for a realistic WGLF buff, then? I don't believe a soul is stopping you. IIRC WGLF was adjusted because it encouraged unhooking people directly in front of a killer, and other potato tactics, though. Killers need to have fun, or at the least feel like they're accomplishing something in the face of the crap survivors put them through (Especially SWF having fun at the killer's expense), and it's only going to get worse with the new survivor and aura blocker lockers. So, yeah, why not make a perk better towards this goal?
There just seems to be so much rant after one measley nerf to BBQ and everyone is losing their minds. Meanwhile, survivors are still farming teammates with WGLF and just adding BT to not lose the points.
BT is getting a solid adjustment, though. Killers aren't too thrilled. Survivors are.
It's not a measly nerf either, it removes a hefty chunk of why people use it all together.
Really, am I the only one who uses it for BP’s?? From all the post I’ve seen most killers use it for BP’s. They must’ve changed their minds overnight.
but yes BT is getting a buff, all the more reason to farm with WGLF right?? That’s why WGLF deserves more of a readjustment then B.B.Q does right now.
Ehm just saying, we talk about BBQ because its the most used but these changes in combination with the new perk would easy counter EVERY aurora reading. Nurse calling, random, bitter murmur etc aura perks that INCENTIVES hunting and not camping
Plus BBQ had already 6 counties before these announced changes, 3 of them perk less. That's why people are pissed. One of the most used and counterable perks used by killers getting even more counties and nerfs so even a child can counter it now not even hiding behind a gen or faking a direction for example
Now people would heal next to the killer, he won't see you with nurse calling Anyway
Etc etcThat's why people are pissed and even me since I have even less interest to play killer than usual if these changes get through. I would see way more farmers and dumb mates at high ranks not for their accomplishments but because its even easier, leading a more frustrating game even on survivor side
Think like the killers are the ones who should sort it out who deserves to be high rank and good survivors the same for killers. If anybody can rank up even easier would hurt everybody.
Back to the topic, people get pissed nnot only making aura perks way less useful but also one of the strongest perks that everybody asked for a change, even from survivor side, DS, wasn't changed at all while all aura perks and one of the most counterable and used perk nerfed
But here’s the thing, would you give up any of your meta perks for this new survivor perk? I sure as hell wouldn’t. Furthermore, if we’re gonna talk about survivors having to use another perk to hide auras, doesn’t the killer have the ability to bring in Iron Maiden as well? Even more, survivors can only use that perk until it runs out of tokens.
I still think if they’re gonna rebuff BBQ then they should also buff WGLF to adjust the BT. WGLF is long overdue.
First of, why should any killer give up an older meta perk to counter a new broken perk for the survivor side?
That logic make no sense and I explained pretty well why people are pissed, why isn't a good change while you just say "Well, would you sacrifice something to not make this broken thing get in a live server?".. seriously, you can have a debate or you are just dumb?Yes the killer have such strong perk like, if a survivor exit a locker they are exposed for 15s. So to hit them in 15s they are already pretty close to just open the locker itself if I know they are there.
The other perk is "you can spam attacks while carrying a survivor with no cd and when you get body blocked you won't lose the grip on your prey". This is sooooooo situational you have no idea
and the last perk "show if 2 survivors works in a gen" so now the survivor have even more incentives to do gen rush correctly, 1 gen per survivor.
Totally the same thing as:
Perk that prevent auras 3 times, any auras not only BBQ, any auras that helped SURVIVORS to not be camped and incentives killer to leave the hookPerkless mechanic, now you counter auras even without perks staying in a locker. Yeah, even a perkless ability, great. So now I would use your logic. Let's say at the start of the game you all are exposed for 2 minutes, no counterplay, no totems to break. Just first 2 minutes exposed unless you are in a hook. Won't be a perk but would you sacrifice your DS or a meta perk to prevent this change? Now I hope you realize how stupid your sentence was
A perk that's bond 2.0 (after care). So another aura perk for survivor, which I won't mind, actually I like it and I might use it. The problem is all killers auras are being nerfed, even the ones that were barely viable now would become trash
Breakdown, i love this one since it opens up more to sabo builds. The problem? punish killers to do hooks, which is bad for one single reason. All the other nerfs that might came up makes the new killer perks laughable.
All these things plus just to make it even better, a killer that can't kill. Can only Hurt survivor but sucks at actually down them, an actual clown for survivors entertainment. Yeah I can figure out why people are pissed, if you can't you might play just one side or just stubborn to understand what you don't like taking it like a personal attack
My point still stands, good survivors won’t give up a meta spot for the aura perk.
WGLF should be buffed if they’re going to revert the aura locker effect.
And to completely disregard your last argument, I already proved I play both sides, as requested
If you even can't understand what I'm talking about even using your logic making a dumb statement like you did before, I don't new to keep discussing with you
Its pointless, would be easier teach a rock to jump.
Disregard my argument that's Hilarious when you can't understand what I say even if explained it two times and straw man my points. That's cute
You just say "no you're wrong"
I can't talk with someone who uses feeling vs real arguments and straw man mines, I'm sorry
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I think BBQ should be reversed where any survivor within 24/32/40 meters to the hooked survivor will reveal their auras.Speshul_Kitten said:
Apparently to@Blueberry it means everything. Made all his points invalid either way, and thank you for verifying that it doesn’t.Nickenzie said:
Rank means something? On the topic at hand, BBQ had way too many counters now. Perhaps if it was reversed where you'll see survivors closer than 40 meters or something.Speshul_Kitten said:
You’re a killer main I know it, and since killer mains like to pass fiction before facts here you go 😉Blueberry said:@Speshul_Kitten said:
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Ask for a realistic WGLF buff, then? I don't believe a soul is stopping you. IIRC WGLF was adjusted because it encouraged unhooking people directly in front of a killer, and other potato tactics, though. Killers need to have fun, or at the least feel like they're accomplishing something in the face of the crap survivors put them through (Especially SWF having fun at the killer's expense), and it's only going to get worse with the new survivor and aura blocker lockers. So, yeah, why not make a perk better towards this goal?
There just seems to be so much rant after one measley nerf to BBQ and everyone is losing their minds. Meanwhile, survivors are still farming teammates with WGLF and just adding BT to not lose the points. It seems minuscule to you because you aren't seeing what it will cause. I always leave hook for a bbq target unless i see a survivor or scratchmarks by the hook. After this change when I see no one with bbq I'm going to assume they are around the hook and not leave. This change literally discourages me from playing a way that makes the game more fun for all. This change is going to make camping skyrocket. Also in regards to your other comment. it's 4 perks vs 16 perks, that's why WGLF isn't completely equal to BBQ. You as a sole survivor are not supposed to be equal to the killer in a 1v4.
If you’re using the “it’s 4 VS 16 perks argument” I’m jus tgoing to stop trying to reason with you. You should know why, if not then I’m sorry you need to take some survivor education classes. Dude you probably don't even have 1/10 of my hours in this game much less rank 1 on both sides, clearly with your uninformed opinions. I already reasoned with you to explain and you couldn't follow it so instead you decided to insult. I’ve been playing since the Beta, over 4000 hours currently. Don’t try that with me. If I NEED to show you my rank 1 at both sides right now I will.
You’re just proving you’re either too killer sided or don’t understand logic when you say “4 perks vs 16” I play both sides at rank 1 regularly, there is no "killer sided" and I highly doubt those hours. Link it. Here’s the type of killer logic you’re using “Mr. Rank 1”
“If Claudette dies she’s gonna let the Feng use her BT. Then if Feng dies she’ll let Claudette use her Lithe.”
Thats your “4 perks VS 16” logic right there.
Firstly, no link, because you're clearly lying.
Second, no, that's not the logic i'm using. Then again, how would you even know, you jumped to insults before even having a conversation.
4v16 meaning you bring certain perks to counter survivor perks but you can't counter all 16 with just your 4.
So you’re saying by your “logic” that there’s no possible way a killer can use 4 perks to counter 16, not even redundant perks?? Listen, you’re clearly one sided no matter what you think. You sound like you only live for Killer, clearly you still think all 16 perks being used in one game are completely different from each other EVEN if the survivors are running the exact same perks.
4v16 is to express a point, not to literally mean every single perk will be different and 4 perks are not enough to counter 16 unless literally every single survivor has the exact same 4 perks. I don't live for killer, just unlike you, I actually play both sides at a high rank and know what's balanced and what isn't. It's quite clear at this point that you are a new player to this game and trying to explain these things to you is getting no where. You're being belligerent and arrogant while also not having enough experience in the game to understand. It's clear you're going no where so I'm done here.
Im not against reversing BBQ, my point is, they should buff WGLF at the same time or first.
WGLF should award tokens to doing generators, stunning the killer, cleansing totems, and opening the exit gates.
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Don't really understand the problem with the locker buff
As a survivor it's more options to be stealthy wich is great
And as a killer i really don't mind survivors wasting ~10 sec for every hook i make
Probably won't change anything on the high ranks
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So then use Iron Maiden. If they want to hide their aura in lockers joke on them.1
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As a survivor would you honestly want WGLF buffed?.
I don't think I would. People farm enough already with it. Making it better would just increase that.
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