I find it funny …
That some players are so quick to point out how the game should be “balanced” around high level players, even though statistically the majority of players aren’t.
Yet, when the conversation switches to balancing Nurse because of how oppressive she is, especially when you begin to stack perk effects….suddenly they have a surprise pikachu face, because suddenly she shouldn’t be “balanced” because her killrates are low.
The hypocrisy on here is truly outstanding.
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Of course it is, Johnny - of course it is.
Edited so we can laugh together!
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Yeah, it's honestly the worst I don't even bother discussing it people don't want to hear what doesn't align with their personal opinion and are quick to pretend like they aren't really the same. Whenever you discuss high-level swf teams guess what you guessed it they bring up top-level nurse players and how they can beat those teams, but the hilarious thing is they can't. Other killers do better against such teams ironically, but people don't want to hear it suddenly because competitive teams aren't all survivors, and I'm just confused as to why they even bothered bringing up god-like nurses in the first place.
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Ultimately it boils down to the fact that Nurse is the ultimate 'counter' to basically everything survivors have, I think people vehemently defend Nurse as a character because they feel like she's the one killer who puts the 'power role' (for lack of a better term) into the hands of the killer.
Obviously it takes practice to get to that point but Nurse is just the ultimate counter to 90% of what makes survivors difficult to beat for the rest of the cast.
She ignores all of the survivors resources
She can traverse the map quickly
I think people like having Nurse around as this 'nuclear option' type killer, the one who people can always learn if they're fed up or smth.
Obviously that's not all there is to it, many people just find her fun and enjoyable to play but I get the impression a lot of people don't want Nurse changed because she's one of the few truly 'broken' things for Killer which ironically balances out some of the broken stuff Survivors have.
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A game that isn't meant to be an esport should never be balanced solely around one skill level. Doing so means that the game experience will be horrible for at least one side of the people outside of that skill level.
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Just the Circle of Life....er perpetuation of the Us vs Them mentality.
If her pick/killrates skyrocket with the new system changes, they'll readjust her and/or her problematic add-ons.
You are correct, imo, in stating that both god-tier Nurses and god-tier SWF are not as big of a deal/issue as they are made out to be.
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"even though the majority of players aren't high level"
Yet, when the conversation switches to balancing Nurse because of how oppressive she is,
The ratio is 1:4, 1 killer and 4 survivors,
with the chance out of 5 people in the same game if one random player was bad, it is probably a survivor.
So technically the Nurse shouldn't be justified,
however what also doesn't justify is survivors being unable to dodge Nurse blinks,
I'm not saying the Nurse blinks are completely and easily dodgable,
but just like projectile shooting killers,
[this part is me mumbling about what you have against a Nurse]
Nurse shoots herself, and the longer the range the longer the travel the more predictable the easier to dodge,
you also don't need to strafe all the time like with projectile killers because it is very obvious when the Nurse is blinking,
you can also hear and see if you pay attention how charged and long the blink is,
based off where she is facing before blinking you can sometimes determine the direction of the blink,
based off how often she is blinking you can determine her confidence,
and if she really early starts to charge blink after blinking twice you can tell she only has one blink recharged...
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I do agree however that the blink attack should be counted as special attacks so she isn't so good with perks like starstruck, sure it sucks and starstruck will definitely lose quite a bit of usage, but basic attack cooldown decreasing perks already don't work on Nurse, so I am fine if they do that.
Plus then people will stop spamming the forum a little, at least until they get mad again and bring out the pitchforks. Like I am just exhausted with how people are at times, specifically the forums are a very toxic place I don't even know how you guys manage it.
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Nurse is balanced, and it isn’t because of kill rates or statistics.
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Doesn't StarStruck only activate while carrying a survivor and someone enters her terror radius?
I may be missing some of its practical usage or something, but after seeing it happen 1x, I usually avoid the area that she's in.
It just seems like a huge misplay to be nuked by it multiple times in a match, even at a medium skill level (I'd consider myself low-medium to medium in the grand scheme of things).
Again, I could be missing something, but it's way less oppressive (imo) than, say, MYC and Floods of Rage, as this guarantees cycling hook states through survivors, easy downs, etc.
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Well if her blink attacks were special attacks the exposed effect wouldn't work if she blink attacks them, she would have to walk over or body block them and then hit them which I don't know how or why any survivor would manage to get themselves downed by a walking Nurse or body blocked by a Nurse unless they make a serious mistake like jumping through a window at a fatigued Nurse while exposed.
(Also I don't want them to nerf any aura perks for Nurse, because those are my favorite, but don't tell anyone lol.)
Also if blink attacks were special attacks myc exposed wouldn't down the survivor as well if she blinks attacks think like pyramid heads like ranged attack kind of attack, it doesn't down exposed survivors.
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Also, I forgot to answer your first question, yes it is a misplay, but some people don't like it because say a Nurse with range addons can just teleport over to you as you are running to avoid her like if they get caught in an open area while exposed they feel it's unfair to be able to be caught in such a scenario in the first place.
Because starstruck Nurse is able to go over great distances and not many survivors play the waiting game usually. Typically starstruck Nurse works best against overconfident survivors and it's the reason why it's one of the best Nurse perks because if there are many teammates nearby Nurse can go and slug them all.
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I feel like people would just gravitate towards equally unfun stuff (w/o M1 requirement) and camp more if this change was implemented.
I definitely get/understand the sentiment behind it, but people would just switch to the next most oppressive option and/or scummier tactics.
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Yeah, always seemed like a misplay in my eyes - nice to have feedback on it.
Appreciate the reply - I was genuinely curious!
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It's one of those scenarios where there really isn't a great solution to it, I can understand though why it frustrates people, but I honestly don't know how to make this perk or perks like myc less powerful on Nurse as she is so mobile. Similar to how myc is a monster on hag, it's just some killers are better at utilizing perks than others. I can understand why people want to treat her blink attacks as special attacks similar to how blight another highly mobile killer's power doesn't cause exposed survivors to go down.
No problem, hope it wasn't too confusing to read through and I am happy to help, it's nice to actually discuss with people instead of everything being an arguing fest all the time for once honestly lol.
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We have no stats of nurse over performing at high MMR. In theory she is good but overall stats show she has the worse winrate of all killers.
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For sure - I have no issue saying certain things are difficult to counter/use/whatever.
Us vs Them attitudes are generally preceded/followed by juvenile posts so try not to give them much thought/have 'fun' with the content being presented :P
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Wow, this is coming from the person who posts a bunch of survivor sided things, I guess nurse is balanced
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I know, right? 😉
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People mention comp and stats only if it fits their narrative
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