3 Questions for both sides of the Community

I've been wanting to discuss this for a while now ever since I came back from my hiatus that I had taken after the introduction of MMR and COH. It too seems like its now become a popular topic for people to come to over the past month or so. So I'll get right to my point and just ask...
Do you think that how the Nurse is designed currently is healthy for gameplay?
Do you think that how the Nurse is designed currently is adversely affecting perk balancing, map/loop design decisions and holding back weaker M1 killers or even killers in general from buffs/attention that would let them even come close to competing with the Nurse?
And why should I be playing any other killer then Nurse due to the way she is so differently designed to other killers?
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Nurse is okay.
Dare I say more okay than some other killers?
But on a serious note, nurse isn't the Boogeyman and not everyone is apparently the best in the world.
She do be strong for, just remove her breathing or something.
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Honestly? her uniqueness and the fact skill matters most, and capability of dealing with top tier survivors basically means she is most healthy and interesting killer in this game.
And it's extremely unlikely anything is balanced around anything, I suspect even the map design isn't considering anything at all, not even difference between 4.4s and 4.6s, definitely not giving a ######### about power.
you do play other killers because you want to? like what else would be a reason, really.
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- Nurse is absolutely fine in being so strong. She's high skill, high reward killer. Her design is well made and should stay this way, but...
- Her being the m1 killer is what makes her widely hated and hard to balance. There's a simple solution, just make her blink attacks special attacks. People have no idea how much it would change. Other m1 killers can suffer from balancing perks that are good on her, but mediocre on them.
- You can play whatever you want. Some people choose their killers based on skill set or overall appearance, others choose their killer on how viable and competitive they are. No matter what someone says about who you play, it's all your choice
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Absolutely not.
In an ideal world, Nurse, Blight and once Iron Will is gone, Spirit need to be nerfed as step one. Then, all maps must be overhauled so that they are more or less the same strength for both sides. Then add information for SoloQ, finally adjust basic gameplay mechanics + nerve/buff perks as needed, all the while taking into account SWFs. Of course none of this will happen, but luckily there are still a few people out there willing to play without coming across as someone that is being held at gunpoint to 4k at all possible cost.
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Nope.
Yep.
And if you want to play Nurse, play Nurse. If you don't, don't. It's not a complex question.
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Yes.
No.
Shred is funnier than Blink
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"Do you think that how the Nurse is designed currently is healthy for gameplay?"
No, not at all.
"Do you think that how the Nurse is designed currently is adversely affecting perk balancing, map/loop design decisions and holding back weaker M1 killers or even killers in general from buffs/attention that would let them even come close to competing with the Nurse?"
No, not that much. Nurse is one factor, but the general difference in strength is the main reason. You have Killers like Nurse, Blight, Oni on one side of the Roster and then Clown or Trapper on the other side. DBD will never be fully balanced because Killers are that different in strength. Something which might lift up Clown to a B-Tier will be completely broken on Blight.
Same goes for Survivor Perks - DS with 5 second Stun? Hurts a Trapper. But a Nurse has a good laugh. DH against Blight? Fair thing. DH against Clown? Uff.
"And why should I be playing any other killer then Nurse due to the way she is so differently designed to other killers?"
If you want to win the most games, you have to play Nurse. She is the strongest Killer. No Killer comes really close to her. If you dont want the maximum number of wins, you can use another strong Killer which is easier to learn.
In reality, all Killers can win against the vast majority of Survivors. You will also get a good amount of 4Ks in a Clown or Trapper. It will be harder than Nurse, but you can manage it. Obviously, the stronger the team, the less Killers can win. But the majority of players will not encounter teams which can only be beaten by Nurse in a somewhat regular basis.
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Yes nurse is fine, her add ons are not however
Yes
Play whoever you want?
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Do you think that how the Nurse is designed currently is healthy for gameplay?
Survivors said for years, that they want mindgame gameplay. Shes the personification of that. So yes, she´s healthy.
Do you think that how the Nurse is designed currently is adversely affecting perk balancing, map/loop design decisions and holding back weaker M1 killers or even killers in general from buffs/attention that would let them even come close to competing with the Nurse?
Why would she hold back other killers? Kill rates are calculated for each killer serarately and the devs themselves said, that the kill rates are below expectations. Killers should generally be buffed. But thats a whole different can of worms.
And why should I be playing any other killer then Nurse due to the way she is so differently designed to other killers?
Play the killer you are more comfortable with and have the most fun with. After all, YOU are the one who is responsible for your own fun.
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1) Absolutely Not, playing nurse is like going to a pistol 1v1 duel with a gatling, sure your opponent can still be faster and accurate but yk.
2) Yes and No, devs are making perks without thinking too much about all synergies, if nurse was really bottlenecking dbd startstruck wouldn't last more than 10seconds.
3)Everyone can play whatever he wants, i just avoid playing nurse due to pride reasons
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- Nurse is not healthy on the slightest, she breaks all the gameplay mechanics Survivors have to defend themselves while she enjoys all the gameplay mechanics given to Killers, she ignores loops, pallets, solid objects etc yet she can still see scratch marks, loud noises notifications, enjoys the same nonexistant amount of fog etc, the only way to fix her is either a total rework or force her to play with her own set of rules and even with the last Im not sure she would be fixed anyway.
- I believe she affects gameplay to an extent, Spirit and Freddy were weaker than Nurse and they forced 2 nerfs on Killers (Stridor and BT outside of TR nerfs).
- You should play wathever you like, Nurse does have a problem, once you are good enough game becomes pointlessly easy, unless your idea of having fun is stomping without effort Nurse will become boring fast, same as single player games become boring if you activate godmode cheats.
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1)) No, she's way too busted. The other side should always have a chance in a PvP game. Otherwise you shoulda just made her in a single player game. It's the same reason why M1 killers need buffs, just on the other side of the spectrum.
2) No, I just think the balance/map design team has no idea what they're doing and aren't good at the game. There was even an anniversary quote with one of the devs admitting even though they play for hours on end on the same map to test it, they still suck on that map. If that's the case they just aren't good in general.
"If you thought I would be good on certain maps after testing them 8 hours a day for weeks on end... you are wrong". -Lyle Development QA
3) Objectively you shouldn't. She's the best killer in the game no question so if you want to win she's the win button.
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1) I think she's fine. Her "basekit" anyways. Some parts of her are busted but I address that for your second question. But forum posts paint this narrative that every nurse plays like a rank 1 killing machine. She has a higher skill ceiling than most killers and a lot of nurses simply aren't at that level. Yes, there are a lot of people who do get good at nurse and it's not easy to play against them, not saying it is. The problem is people try to loop her like other killers, or just have this bias ingrained from all the "nurse is broken" posts and don't see it as any other way.
2) I think some of her addons or busted, those could use some tweaks. Like I really don't think she needs more than two blinks for example. Outside of that, I like how she's one of the killers that has a dynamic that forces survivors to switch things up, or its death hook city. Same way stealth killers do this.
3) For me personally, I'd get bored playing just one kind of killer. Even if there was a hypothetical killer that was OP, easy 4ks, low skill ceiling, I'd play them sure, but I'd get bored.
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1. No, Nurse is very unhealthy for the game.
2. Yes, especially for perk balancing. Starstruck is a huge example of this. It's average and balanced on every other killer, but on Nurse it's OP because of her power.
3. You can play whatever you want. It's not that complicated.
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1) Nurse is actually good for the game. A killer that is actually completely unique, a killer that vastly rewards those that play her great and strongly punishes those that don't, a killer that has to be played by survivors against differently than any other killer, and a killer that you have to play entirely different when you're in control of her -- all of that is good for the game. There's nothing as satisfying as playing against a solid Nurse and running them well -- it's one of the moments in the game that I get the greatest satisfaction from as survivor. Her kill rates suggest that the number of "bad" Nurses far outweigh the number of high-level ones, so the "problem" she supposedly is for the game is, IMO, overblown.
2) Perk balancing by the devs tends to be sketchy, Nurse nothwithstanding, so changing her fundamentally wouldn't suddenly make the devs understand how or why perks needs to be adjusted or designed. Look no further than the questionable DS stun change -- a change that benefits all killers, but none more so than the top level killers (Nurse and Blight). The fact that the devs couldn't forsee that result makes me question their thought processes in general. As far as map design, just look at The Game rework -- a change that literally turned it into a hell for basic M1 killers, while a pallet-ignoring Nurse isn't bothered at all. Clearly Nurse's presence in the game didn't affect whoever approved that abomination of balance, since no one could possibly have reworked the map saying "We need to take Nurse into account -- let's add 1000 pallets that she'll bypass but the rest of the roster can't", so I don't think she's affecting map design (and the problems that have occurred with some of them) either.
3) Play who you enjoy. I'm a terrible Nurse player (on console, no less), but I'd like to improve, so I practice with her to no success (since I don't use her that often, any improvement has been slow). If you want to "win", you can do so with any killer with enough practice. If Nurse is who you enjoy, then play her. It's literally that simple.
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- No
- Yes
- Up to you
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nurse is healthy, other killers just need buff including Pyramid head which is too clunky and slow when putting the sword on the ground, play only nurse if you know how to play her, since it s a power-trip that feels great, i would not play other killer if i knew nurse well.
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Nurse is a vestige from a mechanically different time, and she can absolutely be oppressive, but she also has a high skill floor. There are a ton of awful Nurses out there.
I don't think she is a particularly healthy killer, but I don't lose any sleep over it.
As for why you should play any other killers; because you want to? Is "winning" the only thing that matters to you? If so, by all means, dedicate yourself to becoming a master Nurse. Speaking for myself, I like having fun, and my choices are made to that end. Brutal 4K wipes aren't fun for long, and I don't feel like pushing through that learning curve just to be able to make people miserable.
But question 3 is one only you can answer.
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Her basekit is fine i think, her addons are not. She should not be able to recover as fast as her addons alow, nor should she cross huge distances because of them. She already ignores most in game mechanics so her addons require tuning for sure.
yes. I am sure every new perk tailored by the creation team at BHVR is designed in a way not to be busted on nurse or any killer tbh. (i mean dragons grip has a huge cooldown because of high mobility killers)
u do u, I play GF because I love Scream and the dbd lore on GF. I Play nurse when I want to win.
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