Terror Radius and Oblivious..
I don't understand how Oblivious puts a killer's terror radius into a super position where it exists but also doesn't exist. From the wiki:
- Survivors do not hear a heartbeat inside the Terror Radius.
- Effects relying on the Terror Radius to activate will not be applied.
The survivors are in your terror radius if they can't hear a heartbeat but they are also not in your terror radius when it comes to your perks, how does that make sense?
A terror radius should always be on, regardless of status effects. i feel like BHVR could easily rename Oblivious to something like Deafness to pair with Blindness. Either that or BHVR should change the wording of the status effect/terror radius. Is it on or is it off? If a survivor can't "hear" me approaching, why am I punished?
I tried a new Freddy build using Starstruck to deal with bodyblockers. Yes, I know Freddy's Dream World ability applies Oblivious which is why Starstruck doesn't work, but why does Oblivious stop perks from working in the first place? It should only remove the heartbeat. Obviously I will be taking Oblivious off and putting something useful on but you are lying to yourself if you think this makes any sense.
Video for reference:
I play on PS4 and used the video editing software on there to put the vignette blur on to keep the survivors' names out.
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So it seems that you understand the issue of what you're trying to do so just.... don't do it. Terror radius perks are based off where a survivor can hear you from. Removing your terror radius means you no longer have a radius for your perk to take effect in. It's simply not a perk you should use on a Freddy
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Thank you for regurgitating what I said without providing a "for" or "against" on the topic. As has been established by both you and I, I won't use Starstruck on Freddy. That doesn't change the fact that the terror radius isn't removed. It's there, just in silent mode. So if it is still there, perks should still work. I see no reason why it couldn't or shouldn't be that way and you didn't provide one either.
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I regurgitated it to you because you already answered your own question but you've made it clear now that you don't understand what's going on.
There is no "silent terror radius". Your terror radius literally decreased to 0 when Oblivious is applied or when you are considered "Undetectable". So Tinkerer for example puts you in the undetectable state in which your terror radius literally drops to 0. Let's move on to a perk like Plaything. To survivors who are not affected, you do have a terror radius. To the survivors who ARE affected, you literally don't have a terror radius to that specific survivor. It's not there but on silent mode. It simply ceases to exist for that survivor as long as they are under the Oblivious effect.
I thought my position was pretty clear that what you're complaining about doesn't need a solution because it already works as intended
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Fun fact, there technically is something like a deafness status effect in the game called the hearing status effect. This is the only status effect that does not tell you when it has applied as far as I am aware, but you hear it happen from perks like Knock Out, Blast Mine, and Hag's Disfigured Ear add-on.
Anyway, oblivious status effect removes the terror radius from the specific survivor and therefore will not apply on them. You seem to think that the TR still exists when a survivor is oblivious, but for that specific survivor it does not exist. Besides, a killer with no TR already has the advantage of not being heard or not knowing where they are coming from. You could argue that certain terror radius perks should work also based off the lullaby, but that would have a strange interaction with Huntress and Trickster.
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Again, the Oblivious effect is:
Survivors do not hear a heartbeat inside the Terror Radius.
They are INSIDE the terror radius. Where does it say reduced? Are you reading a different definition? Is there a different definition?
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You read that from the wiki. However, in-game it does not remove the heart beat inside the terror radius. It completely removes the terror radius. And since the heart beat is linked to the terror radius, it also removes that as well.
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You can still use Starstruck on Freddy BUT ONLY on survivors that are AWAKE?
If they get Oblivious when in the Dream World then it makes sense for the Perk to not work because it works based on TR. While you as Freddy don't lose TR, the TR effect is disabled for the Survivors in the Nightmare thus the Perk can't work on them.
The Perk works based on Survivors ability to hear or not hear TR and not the Killers. If Jolt/Surge works on Freddy regardless of the survivors state of awakened or asleep then it's proof you have TR and that at the same time TR is disabled for survivors asleep. Both things can happen.
This is a scenario comparable to the usefulness of Insiduous to a Wraith. Wraith can go invisible and lose TR, and he is perfectly invisible when standing still so why would a Wraith ever use Insiduous!? If you want to camp someone you're probably better off finding a place you can stand still at and use the Coxcomb Clapper add-on to have no sound on your bell and surprise anyone aproaching.
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Freddy's power says nothing about removing the terror radius, but it does mention Oblivious. Even in-game it says it isn't removed, it says survivors are not considered as being in the radius. It's in a superpositon of existing and non existing. So again I ask, why? Why are survivors protected from TR perks if the radius is still there? Either unlink heartbeat from TR or remove the TR requirement from Starstruck.
PS Did not know about Deafness, so thanks for that!
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