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Is it me, or did BHVR give the finger to older players specifically?
So a couple of things I get from the July update
The Prestige catch up mechanic was capped at prestige 9, and you'll automatically gain 2 new additional prestige level per existing prestige.
This means that there is no difference between having a character to P3 level 1, like someone who simply rushed to prestige during the event, and someone who is P3 with all perks since both will gain 6 additional prestige levels and hit the prestige 9 cap. It doesn't really feel fair, does it? I mean, there is a huge difference in bloodpoints spent between the first and the latter case, why should the efforts of more dedicated players be thrown in the bin like this? What's the point of setting the cap to 9 when the amount of prestige levels you could gain was already capped by the limited amount of perks that are in the game?
Ok, the reward for having a character to P3 before the update was improved, but it's still the same ######### reward with a new coat of paint? The issue was not the fact that it was ugly (I mean, that was ONE of the problems for sure, but not the only one).
It still does not give anyone bragging rights, and more importantly it's not an adequate reward compared to the drawbacks of prestiging THREE TIMES in the current system.
Why is it so hard to offer a proper reward? The community came up with lots of good ideas, why not listening to it for once at least? It's not the end of the world if you need to admit that the reward you though about in the beginning was underwhelming, is BHVR scared of admitting they were wrong?
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Idk, now my Cheryl will go to p9 instead of p11 like on the ptb, either way all prestige rewards are got so I don't really mind
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Does it matter, though? P9 is the last one that actually gives you any kind of reward, so exceeding it wouldn't exactly give you anything.
As for the portrait thing, I don't see what else they could've done without it being something too exclusive. Maybe a post-trial icon, but I don't really consider that necessarily better than the portrait thing.
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BHVR is just offensive to be honest, i can't understand, literally can't understand what they are doing. I would delete everything and keep only the perk changes from the next update.
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The difference is you'll be P9 AND still keep all your items and add-ons.
You're literally getting 6 free prestige levels and still complaining.
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I find it funny that prestige is supposed to be "bragging rights" but someone that's been playing since 2016 and has put a ridiculous amount of BP into their characters past the max perks would have same prestige as someone that started a year ago and got a character to p3 max perks and stopped putting in any additional BP.
It's like how grades are "only there to show time spent playing in a month" but they still have negative pips. They say one thing but their actions seem to contradict them.
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To the people that keep saying "does it matter?". The answer is it matters to BHVR, otherwise BHVR wouldn't have capped it. Also BHVR designed the new prestige system with bragging rights in mind, it's why you can see everyone's prestige number on the post score screen. So BHVR WANTS your prestige level to matter. But to answer OP's question, yes they basically gave people that put in the most effort into the game the middle finger. I was satisfied with being P12 on my characters and wasn't expecting anything more than that.. but now we get less for doing more lol.
If I had to guess, it's possible BHVR capped it in case they had plans to add more rewards after P9, but even then I feel like if people put thousands of hours into the game to max out perks then those rewards that are planned are well deserved for those people so it shouldn't be capped. And if it's just a number with no planned rewards? Even less of a reason for there to be a cap.. the max without a cap is 15 anyway which is very far away from 100, no one would be anywhere close to the post-update cap.
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I don't think someone who spent millions of BP on their characters for 6 years should be the same prestige level as someone who rushed PIII's before the update.
If you're gonna give us a bad icon as a reward atleast give us prestige levels
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Well, since prestiging has a cost now (that's necessary for the bloodpoint economy apparently) yes, it makes a difference.
People already sunk millions and millions of bloodpoints for getting all the perks on a P3 character, and they're being told "Lol that doesn't matter anymore, bringing someone to P1 has the same effect"
You want an idea for an alternative reward that is not too exclusive? Consider this:
Prestiging ONCE costs around 1.5 million bloodpoints
Why not giving out 500k bloodpoints per prestige level prior to the update to reward those efforts? Not exclusive, everyone still need bloodpoints to level up the other characters they have, people who didn't prestige never wasted those bloodpoints in the first place so they should be fine with it
(And noone said giving out the prestige portrait means they can't give out anything else at the same time)
So there's no difference between a person who has a character to P3 level 1, and a person who has a character to P3 all perks
Cool, cool
Why are they giving out prestige levels based on perk tiers to people who didn't prestige at all since getting all the perks has no meaning apparently?
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...What? The cost it'll have after the update has literally zero bearing on the effort it took to prestige before the update, I'm genuinely not sure what point you're trying to make here?
It never mattered. The only reason you'd prestige is for the cosmetics or just for completion, you already got what you wanted out of the exchange.
I think a lot of people are forgetting that no recognition at all would be a 100% acceptable outcome, anything they do to show that acknowledgement is extra to the default expectation lol. More BP would be nice, but I can't fathom being mad about this.
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This could have been simplified by forgetting about perk tiers and simply checking the amount of BP spent per character. Not sure if BHVR have statistics for this, but that would help. 1 prestige level per 1.6m BP. Super straight forward. That way players that have hundreds of millions on characters get their fair prestige.
Second best case, instead of getting 6 prestige levels from perks, you'd get 12. Then you'd be P20, which is pretty good.
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I can only speak for myself, but I’ve been playing about 3-4 years and am about to get a MASSIVE perk windfall from the midchapter because all of my killers are at least Prestige 1 already so all of them are getting a bunch of extra perks instantly when the patch goes live. I couldn’t care less about banners or charms or whatever, but that’s a huge number of bonus perks incoming. 🙂
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I don’t care to brag about anything. It’s an unattractive trait. I find joy in more meaningful interactions.
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A lot of people think BHVR is giving them the middle finger when they sneeze too loud...
There is nothing unfair about this. People who p3 all perks did it cause they wanted to p3 and have all perks.
Which they did. They got what they were promised
Just because it suddenly isn't rewarded further doesn't mean they didn't reap the benefits of it already. They got the perks and addons to play with untill now. Nothing was wasted cause they got what they were promised.
If the base game became free would people also complain about the 20 bucks they "wasted" completely ignoring all the hours they have from before it was free?
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Personally I would really like to know how much time I have spent on each specific killer.
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That pretty well put and you changed my stance on it. I agree with ya.
Damn, y'all got some good arguments. I don't really know what to lean on haha.
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Let me ask you something... Did they EVER admitted that they were in the wrong? I don't remember they EVER did it... Don't expect anything from them regarding this
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I don't understand the people who complain about having played many hours, it's not like they didn't have fun, it's not a job, they don't have to give you anything for playing +1000 hours, it was your decision, it's not a job for which they should pay you. (sorry for the bad English by the way)
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There is nothing unfair about this. People who p3 all perks did it cause they wanted to p3 and have all perks.
BHVR to people who got all perks without prestiging: "Oh don't worry, your efforts are rewarded, we'll count how many perks you got and give you prestige levels according to this"
BHVR to people who P3 just before the update (wasting 4.5 million bloodpoints): "Good boy, here's a cosmetic effect only you can see and you'll most likely disable in the future"
BHVR to people who P3 (wasting 4.5 million bloodpoints) AND got all perks: "What do you want from me? Go play in the dirt"
Nothing wrong with that?
Recognition would be appreciated, especially when they promised such recognition and then massively underdelivered.
And I find highly ironic the fact that the more time you invested in the game, the less it was worth it.
You wasted 4.5 million bloodpoints prestiging? Yeah, here's an effect only you can see and you'll most likely disable
You went the extra mile to collect ALL perks after spending 4.5 million additional bloodpoints? Well BHVR doesn't really care about it.
I would be fine with them saying "We appreciate your feedback, we recognize you have valid points, we're listening to our beloved community" Nothing, we get nothing instead. Damage control at most is what we get.
Oh I don't care about bragging either, that's why I'd prefer some ######### bloodpoints or iridescent shards over a different portrait effect or an end game icon, don't get me wrong
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And what do you want? Make the game fully playable (with all perks) only for people who spend half of their lives on it?
Btw, why did you prestige before? What was the reason?
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BHVR has been giving the middle finger to older players since mid-2019.
Nothing new to see here, tbh.
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No there is nothing wrong with that.
When you p3 you got the bloody cosmetic that you were told you'd get and when you got all perks you got exactly that.
You had the bloody cosmetics and all perks while the ones who didn't p3 and all perks didn't.
You suddenly expecting more then what was first agreed on is entitlement. Nothing more
Imagine eating at a all you can eat restaurant and eating the most anyone has ever eaten there. And then when the management decides to give you a ribbon you start complaining the ribbon they are offering isn't big enough.
That's how petty this is
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No, no, I'm fully fine with how they are doing the catch up mechanic for people who didn't prestige, they are getting the best deal and I'm happy for them.
I'm NOT fine with the efforts of the other people being brushed off like it was nothing.
I prestiged because it was the only way to get the bloody cosmetics. Now everyone gets that without losing addons and bloodpoints. I'm fine with that, but at least recognize my efforts in a proper way.
Nope, your comparison is missing a few points:
It would be more like this:
The town organises a race or a treasure hunt and says that there will be a prize for whoever participates in it.
Someone cares about the prize, so they train, participate and even manage to win it.
Someone else doesn't even bother to participate and while the other train they go out for drinks or partying
The town decides that the race or treasure hunt was too hard, and gives the prize to everyone. People who didn't even bother to participate included.
People who won complain to the town.
The town gives them a sticker and calls it a day.
Now people who most likely didn't even bother to partecipate in the race are telling people who won it that they are being petty and should settle for the useless sticker.
This is more akin to what happened
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Close, but not quite.
The better analogy than that would be that the town had kept an old arcade machine running for a while, that most people kind of ignored but some did spend some time playing for fun. The town decides to replace the arcade machine with a new one, and decides to also give the people who'd racked up some play time a little token of acknowledgement by offering them a little badge. This is announced in advance, so some people shrug and decide to go play it while it's there.
Those who played are then split between people who go "oh neat" and people who get incandescently angry about how supposedly insulting this 'reward' is for something that they were engaging with for its own merits and not because they ever expected or were promised literally anything at any stage.
(This analogy also has a flaw that most arcade machines cost money, but pretend for the sake of argument that this one was free.)
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I think it would have been nice to get something more impactful than a different portrait. At the end of the day it's not a deal breaker for me. My goal was always to p3 all perks on all the killers and survivors. By the time the update hits I'll be at around 98 percent of that goal. Which is still pretty good. After that, I no longer care about the grind or blood points even. I'll probably just save my blood points for whatever new chapter comes out so I can get them at all perks and call it a day.
I suspect between future grinds being pretty much minimal for me moving forward and the fact that I'm not liking the perk shake up, I think I'll play this game quite a bit less. It will be nice to play it because it sounds fun to get a few games in, instead of feeling like I need to grind so hard.
And that is really the best reward BHVR could give me really.
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I don't know why so many people are white-knighting on BHVR's behalf. I agree with you that it is really unfair that people who took additional time to show their devotion to the game before this update drops are going to have NOTHING to show for it.
With this update people are going to prestige with no downsides and get the same bloody cosmetics that we had to earn by sacrificing countless event items, offerings and bloodpoints. So yes it is a middle finger to people who cared to grind out prestige levels.
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Behaviour gave the middle finger to the old players a long time ago when they gave away all the old event rewards.
As I recall they did so because people were selling their accounts with them and codes(?) for the old shirts and what not you could only get at old in person events.
They then said they were done with exclusives. A few weeks later they started doing exclusives again and now do it all the time with amazon prime only outfits and what not.
This is just how BHVR operates. Expect nothing from them and just be pleasantly surprised when they do anything competent.
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Believe me - older players are just as screwed as the new ones.
New prestige system is not better by any means for newcomers.
So no - you have no reason to rant more than newbies.
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Prestiging wasn't free. That's the whole point of it. You used to lose addons, items, offerings and perks in the process and had to start over.
1.5 million bloodpoints to get from level 1 to level 50.
Reset, lose addons, items, offerings and perks.
1.5 million bloodpoints to get from P1 level 1 to P1 level 50.
Reset, lose addons, items, offerings and perks.
1.5 million bloodpoints to get from P2 level 1 to P2 level 50.
Reset, lose addons, items, offerings and perks.
Ok, now you're P3 level 1.
Total bloodpoints used in the process: 4.5 millions.
So yeah, prestiging wasn't free. At all.
What I'm asking is a bit more compensation for the 4.5 million bloodpoints you had to throw out the window to get to P3. Bloodpoints or iridescent shards would be fine. Kind of like the town saying "Oh you know what, for the people who played so much at that arcade machine and made it to the leaderboard, we're giving you X tokens you can use to play at the new arcade machine we put there."
And to ######### remove the cap of 9 prestige levels to the catch up mechanic, because that really makes no sense and i would like to know why anyone would ever defend that decision.
Who said newbies shouldn't be ranting?
The stupid prestige tax doesn't make sense, you're forced to spend 10 more levels per character to unlock their perks and you cann't even choose which ones to unlock. Feel free to rant, you have all my support.
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That still sounds like the people who won are being petty is heck
You got the price and you know you won.
Is it really worth that less that other people get it too?
Sorry maybe a culture thing but it does sound extremely petty to me
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Is it really worth that less that other people get it too?
Well, it's disrespectful? That's the whole point of it? BHVR is saying that our efforts towards the game count nothing or very close to nothing since people who didn't put nowhere near the same effort get the exact same thing, or better in some cases.
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It's free because it doesn't cost real money, which is what would be relevant to the analogy. Feel free to substitute any amount of in-game money you like for the hypothetical arcade machine because it literally couldn't matter less.
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The fact that it didn't cost real money has nothing to do with the P3 reward though?
I'm talking about rewarding the efforts put by people towards the game, which can be measured in bloodpoints and time.
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The cost was only relevant insofar as a real arcade machine, the thing I was using in my analogy, has a real-money cost. I anticipated that it might be brought up that you'd be spending money on a real arcade machine, thus making the badge being insulting slightly less of an insane viewpoint, so I mentioned it just to be clear that it wasn't relevant to the point I was making.
The cost then became a talking point because it was the only thing you responded to. I absolutely agree it's irrelevant.
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more importantly, did you pull the finger?
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Well then if you don't consider the bloodpoints and the time invested in "playing the arcade" (which if I understood your metaphor is Prestiging) sure, prestiging was free.
But we totally disagree on that, because prestiging did have an in-game cost (and not a small one I would say), and that is being totally ignored and spat on by BHVR.
Again, a lot of people who prestiged even already had some exclusive icons or graphic elements only they could see: retired offerings and items, but prestiging got rid of those. The prestige portrait alone is not enough to properly commemorate the efforts of old time players.
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I mean, there is literally no point in a trophy that no one knows it exists, like yeah you are the best idk... Dirt castle builder ever and you get a trophy that only you can see, its next to worthless.
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I mentioned it in another topic as well, but there are a lot of cracks for long time casual players to fall through with these changes, most notibly on the killer side. Addons are as, if not more, important for killers than perks due to sharing similar importance while being consumable. Its not terribly difficult for killers to be p0 L50+ and have tons of addons they need stockpiled, while not having enough perks for the catchup mechanic to make them whole. So then the player has to decide if they nuke their addons to get to P1 to make sure they auto P3 when the update drops, or keep the addons and stay p0 and only get maybe p1 or 2 depending on their accumulated perk tiers. on top of this, long time players bought a lot of webs before the "2 perks past L40" change, so their addon vs perk ratio can be even worse.
I get the idea behind why they did a lot of these choices, but man it feels rough for most of my roster.
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