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With the new meta will you continue to SWF?
Instead of Kill Your Friends? I wonder people even know that exists.
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I feel like all this meta did was make Solo Q a nightmare and not really affect SWF, but to answer your question if people I know want to play together than absolutely I will
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Yes I will. I don't enjoy solo queue at all
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Swf is what makes this game fun on the survivor side so yes.
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I don't swf now and will continue to not swf until I find a new game to get addicted to.
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I'll still swf and do KYF, both of them are fun with the right people
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People always say swf should play kyf but there is no incentive to. No BP, no achievements, can't complete tomes or rifts, and no ranking. Custom games can be fun but I'd rather play against people who are also trying to win, especially those who are trying to win for a reason.
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SWF Is the only fun option left solo q was always hit or miss but now it's just gonna be awful
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Please, more players like this one.
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Anyone who has played KYF wouldn't wish that buggy mess on anyone. It's the most bug addled thing DbD. Getting it to work on the first try is like winning the lottery
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That is going to be literally every patch, ever. I mean, what kind of patch would ONLY benefit Solo and nerf SWF? How would that even work?
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I give you one:
Playing as SoloQ gives you X% extra Bloodpoints, same as less played side reward on the future patch. More BP, X2-3 experience that allows them to have more Iri Shards, for example.
Nerfing SWF to the ground ¿How? Really Easy, Making impossible to repeat perks if you are playing on a group. Not 4xDS - UB - DH - IW anymore (Or the new meta build, it doesn´t matter). Don´t let them equip items with more than Yellow Quality if they are on group. Do not allow SWF to use Map offerings.
Mark on killers lobby if they are premade or not, and how many are on the same group. Or just separate queues as solo or swf
"This will kill SWF". Yes, that is the idea, this game is not designed to being played by 4 friends on comms, and if they are not going to prohibe it or nerf it , at least let killers choose if they want to play against SWF or not, if you can choose your team as survivor, I have the right to know if you are on group and decide if I want to play an unbalanced match or queue again looking for chill matches.
SWF is the can.... of DBD.
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I've never played SWF. It seems like something only boosters and Twitch streamers play to make themselves look like they're better than they actually are so people will buy their shirts.
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You literally want to PUNISH people for having friends?
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Nope, I am giving more reasons to survivors to play Solo instead of SWF :) I have friends and I do not play DBD with them because as main killer I know how abusive is so I refuse to ruin others experience.
And of course, because I want to improve on both sides and playing as SWF doesn´t let me learn anything because is like playing games on super easy mode, just that.
1 of my friends has more hours played than me, like 400 or 500 more (I reached 5100 last week) and he is an authentic potato. Why? Because since 2017 he played with comms, winning with zero effort and learning zero about the game. He struggles to loop against T2 myers, because like I said him tons of times -> "You are a carried potato"
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yeah no thanks
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Yeah, better abuse killers as SWF ;)
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What do you mean “abuse”?
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That just sounds like punishment with extra steps.
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You want to actively kill off SWF? When they last put out such stats way back in 2019, about half of all survs we're in at least a two-man group. With solo queue being just so delightful since that time, and getting better with each update, I have to believe those playing in a SWF must have grown a lot. It's simply too late now to crush this mode, or to separate it.
As far as indicating a SWF in the lobby, darn near all killers, including me, would dodge them into oblivion. They'd never get a match.
That notion prolly made you smile, but think it through: besides those groups sitting forever, the matchmaking is trashed with each dodge, helping no one especially newer players thrown in because off this.
They won't split the playerbase this way, they won't clamp down with strange tourney rules & limitations, and they can't do squat about comms. Your idea about bp bonuses and even shards I love, hopefully they do something like that.
And on a much more serious note, I hope that last sentence doesn't refer to anything that rhymes with "sir"...
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Yes, just like SWF should have a base Action Speed Debuff on them at all times. Starts with 2 man having a 5% reduction, 3 man 10%, and 4 man 15%. Values could be adjusted. This would counter act the sheer amount of time saved via voice comms. (coordinating heals, Gens, knowing who/where the killer is at all times, basically what gives them zero down time.) The loss of any sort of hesitation by survivors and being 100% optimal thanks to voice comms breaks the game on a fundamental level.
Also, before you come back with the "I shouldn't be punished cause I HAVE FRIENDS!" excuse, let me ask you this. Is it fair to punish killers with unreasonably difficult games, just because "you have friends"? Is it fair to makes solo Queue a nightmare because the devs balance with SWF in mind?
Seems to me most SWF groups these days don't give a crap about balance or a challenge. It's nothing but wanting a Bully The "Bad Guy" Simulator. If solo Queue gets caught in the cross-fire, who cares right? Feels like 1/3rd of the games population would gladly screw over the other 2/3rd, if it means they get a massive ego trip out of the deal.
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I don´t Know, let me think.....
The fact that this game is not balanced around playing with comms? The fact that you can decide map + build + perks according to that map and win 95% of games abusing of information? The fact that you can coordinate for everything? The fact that SWF was released without testing it just because DBD was a failure at release and they needed players without looking the consequences that It could carry to the future and never balanced around that?
Just Maybe.
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People will play KYF once KYF gives them anything at all. A lack of any kind of reward or ability for progression makes it feel like a waste of time for most players who aren't already supermaxed.
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Yeah, still not seeing why me and three potato friends should suffer extra because we wanna play together. We lost tons of our matches anyway. We might, MIGHT get one four our escape a night after three hours of playing. The rest are slaughters. So why do you care if my friends and I die together? Leave us alone.
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No problem for me, as I said, If you can choose your team mates, I have the right as killer to choose my enemies. So, behaviour mark me on the Lobby if you are playing with your potato friends and I decide (As you decide to play SWF) if I want to play against coms or not.
Sounds fair right? Oh, no, because every single killer will dodge your potato premade? Why is that? Explain me
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You already have the power to dodge a lobby. You don't need additional information to make that decision.
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You have information about your team perks (Not as SoloQ players) You have information about map if your mates are going to drop offerings and you can build around that map (Not as SoloQ players) You can coordinate to repair gens and avoid trigens (Not as soloQ players)
So, you can have tons of information, but me as killer not xD I get your point man, you want to keep abusing no matter what.
I´m not wasting more time with you.
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Playing video games with your friends is honestly so lame, I can't understand why people do that. SO WHAT if I don't have any friends to actually play with that's not the point I'm trying to make here, it's just ridiculous to use a team mode in a video game like, why would you literally ever do that, goofing off with FRIENDS? lol who needs that, I can goof off all by myself I don't need anyone.
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By that logic, should I get to know what Killer you are playing?
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Love the constant miasma hanging over some people's heads about how SWF groups are try hard sweaty people burning maps and perks for them and being efficient.
Meanwhile me and my friends go into great lengths of discussions about which male killer would be the best daddy for us with their rippling muscles and packages matching their burly stature (the correct answer is Trapper) and argue about which pop albums are superior to others lol
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Yeah because every swf is a sweat squad or bully squad. Still don’t get how playing with friends is “abuse” when the devs promote it. There is even a section on the forums to help you find players. And you can dodge your own lobby’s as killer when it looks like a swf so. Idk why they need to tell you. We all know that every killer would dodge a swf and only play against solo que players for easy games because solo que is terrible. The people playing with friends would never find a game. Thus leading to this games demise. Your ideas to penalize players playing with friends may help you but it hurts this game in the long run
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If we have Comms. like F13, I'd be fine with In-game comms.
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Still don’t get how playing with friends is “abuse” when the devs promote it.To clarify that, because SWF play with voice comms 99% of time. Which is cheating, literally.
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Devs already said it wasn’t cheating. So nah
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Devs say many things. That´s clearly incorrect. They take plenty of wrong decisions, and that´s plain lying.
- You gain aura reading for free.
- You disable plenty of Killers for free (e.g. The Trapper) or stealth Killers. Including Wraith.
- You coordinate better and make informed decisions that break the balance towards survivors. Too many gens, killers cannot pressure enough so information is crucial.
- Better combo an item selection on lobby.
... and I can continue.
That´s pretty much like running a hack to gain soft speed.
edit: the only reason why SWF is "tolerated" is because it brings money to the game in the long run. Just like when it was free in Epic Store or Humble Bundle many years ago.
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I will never swf no matter what but people who do now, will continue to do so, and I dont see why not
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For you..
the devs promote playing with friends. They give you the option. They have a discord so you can play together. They have a section here to help. Find players. Just because people can talk and play together in a video game doesn’t make it cheating. Cheating is actually hacking into the game and giving your self 1 second heals at all times. Playing with friends in a video game where the people that Made this game encourage doesn’t make it cheating.
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One thing is promoting SWF or allowing voice comms. Another thing is that it gives you unintended or unfair advantage vs other players including the Killer. SWF + voice comms is unfair against Killers and Solo Q and it does not matter what the devs say or try to implant in players head.
Does it give an advantage that you would not have outside of the game or give you free perks? YES IT DOES
That is cheating. Plain and simple, you can sugar coat it? yes. We can all agree and do like if it wasn´t and sure devs don´t like people pointing the obvious when they don´t have a solution.
But the fact is the fact.
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Except with adding SWF they clearly meant for you to talk to each other, no company on planet earth adds a "play with friends" option and doesn't expect you to use voice comms, that would be silly.
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If that was the case there would be voice comms in-game implemented by the house. The game was not designed originally with voice comms in mind, or else, there would be at least a chat inside of the game during trials, too.
Fact is, Voice Comms give an unfair advantage, you can call it cheating or whatever you prefer. I don´t care what devs say. It´s like when people obsess not to "shame and name" people who cheat... like if they would care.
Also it´s fun how people defend devs when they say SWF is not cheating then you refer to rules and what not, but 90% Survivors moan about NOED, Nurse and Killers "tunneling".
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What point are you making here? Can you show me the swathes of threads calling NOED, Nurse & Killers cheating? People are entitled to moan about whatever they want whether you agree with them or not, if someone wants a little moan about Calm Spirit, they're entitled to, but it's not even on the scale of lying to yourself and trying to convince yourself that something is cheating when it isn't.
SWF was always intended, as they've discussed many times, and with SWF comes comms. Also with the development cycle of Dead By Daylight starting where it did, a pretty small company back then probably didn't have the means of implementing it cleanly, the game was also P2P which makes it harder, especially when the killer is host, and then comes along Discord before Dedicated servers get added and there is almost no point in adding in game comms and adding more spaghetti code to the game.
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Yeah but noed nurse camping and tunneling aren’t cheating tho
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No no, people complain about nurse, therefore calling SWF cheating is fine... or something... I'm still trying to figure it out honestly.
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Can you show me the swathes of threads calling NOED, Nurse & Killers cheating?There are countless threads about "nerf Nurse" who "breaks the rules of the game". So no, I don´t need to do so, everyone knows yet Nurse is a base Killer.
There are plenty of complains from Survivors saying that Killers "cheat" "play unfair" via Camping and Tunneling, too. Survivor even invented the words even though... it´s base mechanic and its allowed by the game rules.
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She definitely breaks the game, she literally teleports through every survivor defense (windows & pallets), still not the same as calling it cheating, though.
Show me these threads comparing "unfair play" to calling it cheating, you're obviously can't because you know survivors aren't literally calling killers cheaters for tunneling or camping etc, they definitely call it unfair and unfun, but calling it cheating they're not, this is cringe lmao.
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Devs punish you for holding a 3 gen and call it "taking the game hostage." The survivors who refuse to do their objective? They are Gucci, mang.
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The Nurse is a base Killer of the game. And does not break the rules of the game because it´s part of its code base.
Discord and voice communication does give you free perks, aura reading and advantages that do break the rules of the game. The game has no in-game chat or microphone chat. Playing SWF gives you an edge, but is tolerable - yet the game mechanics don´t really apply the same when SWF are in play. Using voice communications is directly cheating, there is no point in trying to sugar coat it.
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Yes.
Playing with my friends is fun.
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SWF on comms is cheating, pure and simple, they have massive ingame advantages which are reflected in the statistics (15% higher escape rate). Its like playing sport against an opponent thats allowed to take steroids but your not.
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I prefer solo survivor, but i have to see how the changes work out. If its too harsh on solo, i might just return to swf (or stop playing altogether)
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Why on earth wouldn't I? To be fair I haven't played in a party bigger than a duo for like a year, but I find it fun so why would I stop lmao?
I haven't heard of a single person ever getting in trouble like that for 3genning besides pre-rework Doctors 3genning on The Game, making no effort to kill survivors even when they give up. Instead just endlessly zapping them and kicking gens.
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