I think killers forgot that they aren't supposed to camp and tunnel anymore
1/4 of my games the killers are tunneling people off the hook. I thought 5 seconds was enough to do a bunch of gens who knew tunneling would still work after this update.
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Equip Off the Record and SB.
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why are your team mates unhooking in the killers face?
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Not sure if you play the game but as I said in the title, there's this thing called camping. That is where the killer stays near the hook and you have no choice to either let them die or try and trade. Or killers even get a loud notification so if they are anywhere even remotely close to the hook they can just come back. And if they keep going after the same person and getting them out of the game early it's an easy win. That's what is known as tunneling.
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what else are you supposed to do with longer gen times making it easy for a killer to stay by and camp a hook? just hold m1 on gens 90seconds each and hope stuff like deadlock aren't in play? its boring gameplay that just rewards one side with hook based musical chairs if the save isn't grabbed mid animation.
all that happened was the worst parts of the game got increased and now there's less real interaction that can have back and fourth
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im not sure if you play the game but there is this thing called counterplay, where if a killer is camping, you have both perks to tell you the killer is camping and you and your team mates not being camped can get 3 generators done well before he is camped out and thus punishes camping, where as everyone running right around a hook where a killer is camping can take out a whole team because they made a stupid play and rewarded the camping. thats whats called as "playing dumb"
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Genuine question
I thought the point of the change was to make it so that we don't need to equip perks anymore?
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Maybe some survivors, who are good at looping, don't need the perks to survive.
Other survivors, of less skill, might still need them. Perks have always been a substitute for skill in DBD and it's no different now
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There's nothing wrong with so called tunneling and camping.
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No! They should have changed it back to 3s back when they nerfed Enduring to only effect pallet stuns. DS being 5s was because of Enduring and BHVR was too lazy to revert it.
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I doubt it, there is plenty ways to hard lock killers from camping but still none implemented.
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BHVR looking at the most egregious example - the camping Bubba, and going:
No, I think gens should take longer while he does his thing.
I think that's hysterical. How bad were those internal stats.
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Sounds good, doesn't work and it's still stale gameplay and problematic. When the killer is really motivated, then they will go for a perk build that allows them to camp more efficiently or use NOED to make sure, that they will get at least another survivor.
Camping doesn't have really a good counter in the game except that it's kinda boring for everyone involved including the killer.
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The game is literally balanced around entry level players. That's all there is to it. They pay the same as the veterans, if anything new players have more DLC to still purchase
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weird because it does work very well when your not the only one engaging in the counterplay.
- your whole team stops doing gens to dance around a hook with a camping killer and get nothing productive done while killer gets production.
- Dont make stupid plays and be productive at 3x the rate of productivity the killer is doing.
hard choice.
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Hide. Don´t play like lemmings.
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I think survivors forget that there is no survivor's rule book for killers. I play by the rules set by the devs and they say I haven't been breaking any.
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Thats true and I appologize. But also, the survivors need to re-learn how to unhook tactical, I guess. Today I had someone hooked and then gotten unhooked while I wasn't even fully finished turning around. What do survivors expect me to do in such a case, ignore that? For fun I tunneled that one survivor and they did it again! This time I downed the cheeky, farming unhooker, but really, just wait 15s or something!!
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One of the points of the change was to address gens being done too fast and to lessen the effectiveness of tunneling and camping. Another point was to shake up the meta.
To address the issue mentioned specifically, the effectiveness of tunneling and, indirectly, camping has been addressed. You get a base haste and 5 seconds of Endurance. If you are concerned about reaching a tile in time I would recommend equipping SB as with Endurance you should be able to outrun a chainsawing Bubba.
If people are concerned about being tunneled after that time equip OTR. If after OTR and especially SB if you have that equipped you still can't get away then that's probably an MMR issue since the Killer has far better chasing skills than you do.
If people prefer stuns, try DS and Parental Guidance. If you want to be a complete pain equip all 4.
Other potential anti tunneling builds are OTR, exhaustion perk, Deliverance or OTR, exhaustion perk, Slippery Meat and Ace's luck perk, or OTR, exhaustion perk, Renewal or Inner Healing or Built to Last with a med kit. Or maybe you want to pair WoO, etc
Nobody ever said that running without perks would be as effective as running with perks. The devs did say they were reducing the effectiveness of tunneling and I think they've been successful. How effectively it's been reduced nobody knows yet because all the people that relied on an op perk, DH, have to get used to playing with other exhaustion perks instead.
If it helps, I never ran DH and my gamers so far have felt like I can do more against camping and tunneling than I could prepatch. However, if you did use meta perks before, especially DH, you're unfortunately in for a rough set of games before your MMR settles. Once it does, it should be better
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