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We need to talk about Bubba...
Bubba is on DBD since 2017 and they never nerfed his ability to secure kills. Meanwhile the Artist and the Twins powers doesn't work near the hook. Why only Bubba gets the special treatment? Please BHVR, remove his ability to use chainsaw near the hook. There is no counterplay because he can ignore BT so he can down the rescuer and the rescuee. Its a extremely flaw game design giving the player the power of 100% forcing someone out of the game without any counterplay. You can't trust every player to play fair, if players are abusing this mechanic its the devs fault who allow it to exist in the game.
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If Bubba is staying near the hook, just do gens.
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What do you suggest? Take away his ability to instadown potential unhookers and he’s easily the weakest killer in the game. No chase power whatsoever and easily countered by windows and any loop with a pallet.
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All i get from this thread is, that Artist and Twins need buffs.
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and what are you supposed to do about noed or if he has deadlock? Actually come with counterplay
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I don't think him being able to use the chainsaw near the hook as a flat ban is a good idea - if a survivor is dumb enough to lead Bubba back to the hook, he deserves to be able to saw them. Same with people who unhook before he can even leave, or people who would try to loop around the hook specifically because he can't use his power there.
While this could use some refinement, I wouldn't mind seeing something like Bubba's saw getting disabled if he doesn't leave the tile containing a hooked survivor for 20s and isn't in a chase for 20s, and he has to either be in a chase for 5s or move 20m from the hook in order to get it back. (The 5s in chase is so that he can't immediately start revving when a survivor runs past him for the save; 20m is to give a window for a save so Bubba can't just move a short distance away, reactivate the saw, and return to facecamping.)
His ability to camp is currently way too powerful and way too prevalent as a result of its ease-of-use. It doesn't encourage healthy gameplay.
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- Deadlock : pressure another gen and come back to the blocked gen later. Blocked gens don’t regress. You are not losing any time.
- Noed : break the totem, you can now see the aura.
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Don't get where you're getting that from.
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Meanwhile the Artist and the Twins powers doesn't work near the hook.Second line.
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Are you saying they should work near the hook?
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Amm... Do they changed hag once they buffed her years ago?
(Bubba is not the only one)
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With gens taking longer, looking for a gen waste time especially with the hook timer being the same.
yeah let me cleanse the hex totem while I’m being chased. That’s what happened to me last time I went up against a camping bubba. After the last gen was done I got downed by noed and I even got it on video. So now the “counterplay” you laid out doesn’t work. Not to mention that you can’t rescues someone off the hook with him just standing there
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I´m saying that this is what i got out of the post.
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- pressuring another gen is never a waste of time.
- you are not playing 1vs1 but 4vs1. If your team is not helping you by cleansing the obvious totem that everyone can see that’s not the killer fault.
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What’s the point of cleansing the totem when you can’t even save the person in the hook? Against any other killer except for maybe Billy sure but against bubba?. You get downed by noed and it’s over that’s the point. The only way to prevent noed is by doing all the totems and there’s no way to do that vs a bubba that’s camping. Also you are wasting time looking for a new gen. Bubbas camping is busted and it needs to be nerfed. With noed and dead lock you probably get only 1 escape if your lucky
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Alright, the other survivor cleanses NOED (and there is only going to be one other survivor left at this point unless the first victim was a looping god.) Unless he also brought NWO and is beelining for the gate that just got touched, Bubba is camping the guy they got with NOED. Now what?
That's my entire issue with camping Bubba - you can't invoke team play in a game where teammates have zero ability to actually be altruistic. Your team can't help you; that's the point.
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Survivors never complain about SFW and Discord though.
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Yes yes. Do gens while somebody dies on hook, so that when he does it a second time you're even more ######### out of luck since it's been proven that hook camping is stronger and better since the patch.
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Bubbas great, fun killer to verse especially as they're always greedy for the chainsaw hits
While face camping bubba sucks thats just a camping issue more than just a bubba issue, plus I wouldn't want his power to get weaker for the sake of a few people who face camp with him as his power is only really good with certain addons as is and theres so many wacky hit boxes on loops you have to give some bubbas credit
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A few people who facecamp? More than half the Bubbas I face are hard campers, and he's a common killer to run into. It's not even a thing like boxblocker Pig where it was a rare meme. It's insanely prevalent. That's probably more of an issue with campers choosing Bubba than Bubbas choosing to camp, but the effect is the same.
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Not common for me, but alot of people throw camping around more often than its actually happening tbf.
And I'm all for fixing face camping and hard tunneling but I dont want killer powers gutted for it.
They should reward people who dont and punish those who do, doing a mixture of the two will be more beneficial.
Think of killers as a pet, you have to entice them into a more fun playstyle rather than the currently most beneficial one. Most players camp and tunnel because it's a strong tactic and they win from it
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I have a special relationship with the developers, they listen to my feedback more than other people. They understand it is important to have one killer with a face camp niche to cater to my unique, never before seen, playstyle. Sorry. But I am going to keep telling them they are doing a pretty good job so far. No free unhooks for you, Otz.
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just do 90seconds gens with deadlock? Otzdarva and Dowsey proved you can facecamp two people to death before all gens are finished
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I dont mind buffing his anti loop potential if that means they remove his facecamp ability
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That doesn't work anymore, after this update the person on the hook will die before all the gens get done, and then once he puts a second one up you lose at least half your team before you get out.
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Well, it depends on when the first person is caught. Maybe predrop against Bubba so you aren't caught in the first minute? Lol.
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Perhaps they can change so it works on Twins and Artist also.
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Power blocking on Artist is stupid. It's not a power she can effectively camp a hook with - bother distant generators while camping, sure, but she can do that from a few meters away and then move whenever someone approaches, so there's no point. Mostly it just makes looping an Artist near a hooked player easy and messes up the Artist's setup while she's moving away from a hook. Twins makes total sense, though.
I mean, that's a philosophy I generally follow? It's definitely what I think any solution to tunneling has to be. I just think Bubba is strong enough without being able to facecamp and doesn't really need a carrot in this situation, just a stick. If his kill rates go down after dealing with that one issue, then it'd be fine to buff him, but I think his kit is pretty strong on its own. Any thoughts on the fix I suggested earlier?
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I am saying the devs acknowledge some killers powers are too strong and can be abused to camp or tunnel people easily. So to keep the pattern of disencouraging toxic playstyles they should nerf Bubba camping potential.
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Apples and Oranges
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No one is gonna take someone that says swf is cheating seriously.
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Why not? People take the developers saying that killers doing their objective is holding the game hostage and survivors refusing to do their objective is being held hostage. Who cares what "people" take seriously? Most of them are a bit dim.
Behavior should add voice chat and make it a feature. Why it is not is anyone's guess.
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Even if using Discord in a full team of coordinated loadouts-people is obviously cheating.
You know, imagine having free auras on you as Killer.
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How many times do people have to tell you that swf isn’t cheating for you to get that through your head? Do we need Cote to tell you that?
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He does.
This update made him even more of a cheese killer. It literally guarantees him more kills than before.
Until the devs disincentivize his ability to just wait for a survivor to die by basically doing nothing this is where we’ll be.
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At first, I thought you were going to ask for a Twins and Artist buff. Oh well.
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Lol that old retort doesnt really work anymore since gens are 10 seconds longer. Let me guess then always put camaraderie in your build, no
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