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Survivors Aiding Killers
Just curious: has anyone else encountered a large number of survivors who are actively helping the killer?
I'll use my last game as an example (though it has been happening a lot since the patch).
Camping Myers. Big surprise.
By the end, there was just me and a meg left on her death hook. He downed her and then went looking for me. I crept around and went to revive her. Of course, Myers was proxy camping her body (I assumed as much). After a long chase, I lost him. He then went back, downed her, and then sat right on top of her body just waiting.
In this situation, I did what I assume most people would do. I went to the opposite side of the map and started working on a gen for points (wasn't going to finish it to reveal my location) until she bled out.
Right before she bled out, he picked her up and dropped her until she was up again. Then, she ran straight towards me and started pointing, allowing the Myers to get me.
Why does stuff like this continue to happen? I get that nobody likes to be camped. I get that nobody likes to be slugged. But are the developers actually saying that I have an obligation to down myself when someone is camping a slugged body?
More importantly: why do the devs even have a reporting system if they never, ever, ever do anything about it?
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The situation that happened to you in game was unfortunate
I just wanted to pop in and say that the devs do stuff about reports. I don't encounter hackers frequently for example, but I can say every single one I've reported has a ban on record when I check their profile after a few days/weeks since reporting.
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If you record it and send it in on the dbd website this is against ToS, I have had it happen multiples almost always during the slug for 4k. Even had a TTV do it to me once and when I pointed out what they did was a temporary ban they basically spent the next 20 minutes berating me in their stream.
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So let me get this straight. You sold your teammate out by abandoning her to die, and you're confused as to why she pointed you out? You made a choice. You opted for the safe route for you, so she denied you that safety. I'm not saying you were in the wrong to prioritize yourself, but you made your bed then you had to lie in it
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No the killer slugged for a 4k, couldn't find OP so he used the other survivor to find him. OP did nothing wrong, you cannot work with the killer it goes directly against ToS.
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Urgh, denying the 4rth survivor a chance at hatch is really a d*ck move in itself in the first place, but that Meg was an a-hole to do that.
I've had a similar experience last week, a Mikaela kept crawling towards me with the killer in tow. She clearly got tired of the game, not that I blame her for being frustrated.
These killers are so entitled to their 4rth kill, the other day the same situation happened except my friend was the slugged survivor, and he just wasted the killers time crawling in random directions. We had agreed that he would bleed out and I would try to find hatch. I did, and in the postgame chat the killer was insulting me like crazy, so furious that I didn't come to die at their feet.
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OP said that he went by to revive her. the killer chased him afterwards, and he lost him. He then slugged the meg again. I'm not sure why you're saying he abandoned the team mate. he made an effort to pick her up and the killer made an effort to keep her on the ground. Not sure why you're saying OP is the bad guy, hell, he even went to go do a generator. If he had gone to pick her up a second time he would have just downed him and 4k'd easily. He was a survivor, trying to survive in an otherwise bleak situation.
EDIT: Assuiming OP, was trying their best during the match, I don't see OP as the bad guy here.
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Survivors and killers working together is the worst thing this game has tbh.
Just the other day a dwight and a nurse were working together to kill everyone else in the match.
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The only time survivors and killers working together is fine is if the game is friendly. No grief to anyone.
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Record it, it can get them banned for a few weeks.
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This is fascinating. I swear I read a thread where people said that they have tested reporting and nothing ever happened. I try not to use it in a toxic way (being salty, "revenge") and instead focus on the actual categories and definitions.
This does give me some hope. Thank you!
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I had no idea that you could do this.
Again, I have just been surprised lately. There is always the random, odd encounter like this. But the frequency has certainly increased since the patch (mixed with DC/hook suicide).
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just move one ... reporting them isnt worth the time
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In game reports don't do much unless you get a boat load on one person, but they have a report feature on their website where you can send in videos and stuff that is pretty decent.
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Takes me more time to record + submit all the info than the time they actually are banned for.
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Yeah but people need to stop getting away with being little rats.
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How did I sell her out?
She was downed once and Michael "went to hunt for me." I crept over, healed her up, and he came back (proxy camping). I knew that this would happen, so I led him on a chase across to the other side of the map, giving her an opportunity to heal up and work on gens.
After a long chase, the killer lost me. He went back and she was standing in the exact same place where she had been downed. Again, I crept around to see if he was proxy camping her and he was. So yes, in that situation, I abandoned her. She was dead anyway.
Why am I in the wrong? Are you arguing that survivors always have an obligation to intentionally and knowingly get themselves killed? If Bubba is face camping and revving his chainsaw, my obligation is eat the instadown instead of trying to finish gens so that the other 3 can get out?
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Wow. Every time I think that I somehow figured this community out, someone like you just pulls the rug out under my feet and makes me feel like a fool. Smh.
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I am sorry to hear about this situation. It is, unfortunately, all too common. The reason that I made this post was to see if others have seen an increase in this behavior since the last patch.
Is it because of rampant camping/tunneling? Is it survivors upset by the meta change? Is it some form of protest? Who knows. But it makes me very wary of new games now because of how rare it is to find a game where survivors just...play the game.
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I bet you hid for the full slug and pissed both players off
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Like I said, she was close to bleeding out once I saw that he was proxy camping her for a second time. So I went to work on a gen on the opposite side of the map. What else should I have done? Killers deserve a 4k? By that logic, I should just run up to the killer at the start of the map, refuse to do objectives, and let them kill me.
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What if she didn't feel he was camping and saw her teammate abandoning her to work on a gen until she bled out for hatch? Proxy camping has such a loose definition, is it crazy to think she thought you could have saved her?
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Whether she realised he was camping or not (which, I mean, if killer downed her, he had literally no reason to f off to another part of the map), that doesn't excuse the bad manners afterwards, she still sold her teammate to the killer in spite even though she'd been rescued once.
Her anger should have been at the killer, not at the survivor who had already tried once to rescue her.
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The first time, I would understand. He was standing behind a wall outside of her viewing range. However, the second time, he was walking circles around her, constantly in her view.
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Thank you for saying this.
You know, I kind of feel bad. I only provided an example as just that...an example. I wanted to generate a discussion focused upon survivor behavior since the patch. Because there are other threads about hook suiciding, running up to the killer/giving up, and DCing, my hope was to bring up a conversation about another thing that I have noticed frequently since the patch: survivors helping killers.
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Two things happen when you go help a slugged survivor when there's just two of you. 1. You die with the other person. 2. You die and the other person gets to die later or get hatch.
Or you take the option where you are in control and have a chance at the hatch, which is to let them die.
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Another thing that should be discussed are survivors that refuse to help spread the hook states. There have been so many games where 2 survivors are dead, the 3rd survivor has been hooked twice, and the 4th survivor has been hooked 0 times. That 4th survivor is sandbagging the whole team.
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Well, what ever the case, this thread once again showcased one thing crystal clear: people have VASTLY different standards and ideas of how things should be handled, be it tunneling, camping, slugging, gen rushing, healing or whatever else. BHVR can literally never win at the game of tweaking DBD, and thats a fact.
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I personally haven't seen more survivors actively helping killers since the patch, but I've seen more people soft-surrendering and living on the killer's mercy. (Which, I mean. If the killer is okay sparing me I accept that and keep doing gens.)
Killers who have mercy or give hatch are much rarer since the update, in my experience, but should be appreciated for caring for the fun / rewards all players.
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I agree with this most of the time. Of course I am going to focus upon the objectives. However, if I see someone who has 2 hooks being chased, of course I am going to go run interference and try to get the killer to focus upon me.
Now, when it comes to hard camping, there really isn't much to do but gens. I've even been slugged at a hook and the killer refused to pick me up, waiting for the person to die.
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I do agree and sympathize with their situation. All that you can do is to try and make the most out of an icky situation. Making basekit out of BT at least shows that they are trying to address camping and tunneling. I just honestly have no idea how the reporting system works. For the longest time, I felt like it simply existed as a way for players to "vent their frustrations," so to speak, without actually being addressed or viewed by the developers.
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Honestly if you can, record those games and report them and add it to your ticket. It might work or it might not, but on the off chance that it does and they get banned, then at least people like that will learn not to behave like that.
Also, this isn't just the case since the update. I've had a lot of matches with these sorts of survivors, the worsts ones are those that keep on trying to unhook you/let go non-stop whilst you're on 2nd hook, then get hatch themselves and have the audacity to say ggwp in EGC.
Maybe actually read the entirety of what OP wrote, instead of coming in hot and putting the blame on them? Or are you just trying to be a contrarian for the sake of it with no ground to stand on or to back up your point?
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That's good to hear. I didn't notice it last week, but I have certainly seen it all too frequently this week. You are correct, though. The soft surrender is much more rampant. As others have said on this forum, if you don't want to play, then don't! I get when a match is bad or when you are up against your 10th slowdown legion in a row. You might feel like giving up. At the very least, though, try to help out your teammates and see if you can let them escape.
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Thank you for this information. The next time it happens, I will record it.
You are right about encountering people like this before. I just wanted to find out if I was having an unusual increase in this behavior recently or if others were also experiencing it more than "normal."
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I can say as a killer main, occasionally I'll have a survivor rat out teammates (had one this morning), usually because they are being locker queens or something similar. I can say that EVERY time, I follow them where they are trying to lead me, see who they are trying to point out and why, then immediately down the rat. I hate and attempt to punish bad team mates. This includes locker queens, afkers, gen jockeys who sit on a 10% gen while their team mates are struggling on hook 20m away. But above all of those, I hate rats and sand baggers. I will happily smack them down everytime. Now if they are pointing out someone who is also being a shitbag, I'll go back to deal with them after I hook the rat, but the rat goes first.
Just play the game as best as you can. Let karma deal with the crappy players, and don't bring yourself below their level.
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Except for a couple of suicides on hook, but really not that many, I'm lucky to mostly have teammates who give a shot at the game. It's maybe also because I'm at a pretty low mmr right now (started playing recently), so we get a lot of killer variety and I actually haven't seen a single Legion in 30 games, when before patch I saw a lot. I had never faced a Hillbilly/Spirit/Onryo/Artist before the update, maybe now some killers feel a bit less chained to their comfort zone and try new things. (I still haven't seen Twins though!)
Most times when someone on my team surrenders, it's when they're the last or next to last survivor, and if the killer spares, he spares them both. When the killer doesn't accept the surrender, surprisingly they often give a headstart to resume a chase, and the game keeps on like normal.
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I hope it helps and you encounter them less. What I've noticed is that on occasion I will face certain types of players/game styles a lot more during certain hours/days. When that happens I just stop playing, cus I know what's coming 😂
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Also, when things like this happen, what the survivor did should be punishable, but what the killer does might not be punishable. There are many times where the killer is legitimately chasing a survivor, and the survivor wants to survive by any means necessary and will therefore lead the killer to someone else. And if the killer hits that someone else, it doesn’t mean they worked with the survivor.
We don’t want there to be situations where a survivor can create a gotcha moment, where the killer is forced to ignore a survivor or else be accused of cheating.
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Yes. Soon as it happens I straight up d/c.
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Having been the survivor in this instance with the 0 hero hooks a handful of times, most of the time it’s really as simple as the killer abandoning chases with me or just straight-up ignoring me. I’m also not just gonna sit down and let myself get downed. That’s equally as harmful to the team.
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Over the last few years, I had one instance of survivors helping the killer, sandbagging, trolling (two little bastards who got reported with a lengthy video, along with the killer who went along) and maybe one or two idiots sabotaging the team for whatever reason.
From the killer's side now, I've got something slightly different: survivor(s) punishing another one guilty of the stuff above, or hiding all game without ever helping, or, recently, AFKing.
I usually notice the problem myself and deal with the bad survivor (meaning troll/unhelpful/afk) and then try to offset the handicap so the match isn't a total loss. That means a hatch, or some farming, depending on how I "read" the remaining team.
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I've seen it a few times recently, and I have seen a lot of sandbagging as well. But part of that may be that it's being put out there that lots of survs are trying to inflate kill rates artificially so I might be looking for it and seeing it where it's not actually happening any more than before (which I think there is a lot of going around right now).
As for the phenomenon itself, it's something I've been seeing since I started playing DBD, and imo there are only a couple instances where it's forgivable:
- Everyone is just goofing
- One survivor is working against the rest of their team and/or not playing the game and just hiding all match and the other survs point them out
But if I see a surv immediately trying to sell out their team (it's usually not at all subtle) to save their own butt, I will tunnel them out of the game, and let some or all of the rest go.
As a surv, there's not much you can do without looking like you're doing the same thing as the offender, so I just try to play through it and hope maybe the killer noticed what was going on.
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Having been a killer that used to run BBQ non stop, there were so many games where I was stuck at 3 BBQ stacks, and I never even saw the 4th survivor until after 2 of the survivors were removed from the game.
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