Question about dedicated servers

OrionsFury4789 · December 2018

Tsulan said:

Dreamnomad said:

@Tsulan said:

@MhhBurgers said:

@Tsulan said:

@MhhBurgers said:
Who the heck would pay monthly fees for DBD

Who the heck would pay monthly fees to rent dedicated clan servers for Betafield?

Someone has to pay. Devs never said that the dedicated servers will be free for us. Or at least i haven´t read anything about them being free.

death garden has no monthly fee and the devs know full well that this game would be dead within a month if monthly fees got introduced.

Death Garden is still Alpha.
The Alphas of WoW or Betafield also had no monthly fee...

Dude, there aren't going to be any monthly fees. Enough with the rumor starting. There is absolutely zero percent chance that this happens.

Source?

It’s alright @Tsulan don’t let these guys bait you into arguing, I’ve seen your posts in the past you know your ######### with this game you’ve just grown tired of all the BS tied in with it and I can’t say I blame you much

Boss · December 2018

Paid servers wouldn't do well with consoles.
Buy the game, pay the subscription fee to play online and then pay the monthly dedicated servers fee to play a 20 euros game?
That's gross.

MhhBurgers · December 2018

@OrionsFury4789 said:
Tsulan said:

Dreamnomad said:

@Tsulan said:

@MhhBurgers said:

@Tsulan said:

@MhhBurgers said:

Who the heck would pay monthly fees for DBD

Who the heck would pay monthly fees to rent dedicated clan servers for Betafield?

Someone has to pay. Devs never said that the dedicated servers will be free for us. Or at least i haven´t read anything about them being free.

death garden has no monthly fee and the devs know full well that this game would be dead within a month if monthly fees got introduced.
Death Garden is still Alpha.
The Alphas of WoW or Betafield also had no monthly fee...

Dude, there aren't going to be any monthly fees. Enough with the rumor starting. There is absolutely zero percent chance that this happens.

Source?

It’s alright @Tsulan don’t let these guys bait you into arguing, I’ve seen your posts in the past you know your ######### with this game you’ve just grown tired of all the BS tied in with it and I can’t say I blame you much

And you're delusional if you think the game is gonna get a monthly fee right out of nowhere. I'm not even sure if that'd not make us eligible for refunds since this is not the payment method we signed up for.

Bravo0413 · December 2018

Carpemortum said:
Tsulan said:
@Carpemortum said:
Tsulan said:

@Carpemortum said:

Tsulan said:
MhhBurgers said:

@Tsulan said:

MhhBurgers said:
@Tsulan said: @MhhBurgers said: @Tsulan said: @MhhBurgers said: Who the heck would pay monthly fees for DBD Who the heck would pay monthly fees to rent dedicated clan servers for Betafield? Someone has to pay. Devs never said that the dedicated servers will be free for us. Or at least i haven´t read anything about them being free. death garden has no monthly fee and the devs know full well that this game would be dead within a month if monthly fees got introduced.
Death Garden is still Alpha.
The Alphas of WoW or Betafield also had no monthly fee... So how many shooters and multiplayer games with no consistent world do you know that have a monthly fee outside of MMORPGs. In EAs Betafield 1, people had to rent the expensive servers if they wanted to have a dedicated clan server. EA has money and still rented out the servers. Ubisoft doesn't do it. But Behavior isn't one of those big companies. Do you really think they roll out something as expensive as dedicated servers with the current system? P2P doesn't cost them. But servers? That's a whole different story.
Why don't you reread all the information they released on that term. They never claimed it would be free for us.



Again it's not gonna happen unless they keep a peer to peer option which would basically split the playerbase. They'd kill their game through that.



Giving us servers for free without any charges or changes in the monetarisation system, would also kill the game.
Now what?
Are you high? Your arguement went from "dedicated servers are gonna cost us money and ruin the game" to "free servers without making us pay will kill the game". 
#########?

I´m not high. What about you?

Do you think Behavior has infinite money? That they can afford to spend a ton of money every month, so YOU can get your free dedicated servers? Because those costs would kill the game in the long run, if they don´t change the way they finance their game.

I asked if you were high bc you contradicted yourself. You're so into arguing here you havent realized I'm not arguing with you. Just keep pointing out your salty flip flopping.
Where did i contradict myself? Please show me
Your first arguement was "how we gonna pay for servers. Theyll charge us and it will end the game"

Then it changed to "if they give us servers for free and dont charge us for them, it will kill the game"

So is it free servers or charged servers that will kill the game?

Or maybe just your incessant need to argue with people on a forum for a game you supposedly dont play.

What their saying is.... if the devs dont charge the player base for the servers the devs wont be able to afford em therefore the game will die.... I believe if the devs do charge us for the servers they need to give us something worthwhile to make up for it because yes otherwise the game will die..

MhhBurgers · December 2018

@Bravo0413 said:
Carpemortum said:

Tsulan said:

@Carpemortum said:

Tsulan said:
@Carpemortum said:

Tsulan said:
MhhBurgers said: @Tsulan said: MhhBurgers said:
@Tsulan said:    @MhhBurgers said:    @Tsulan said:    @MhhBurgers said:    Who the heck would pay monthly fees for DBD        Who the heck would pay monthly fees to rent dedicated clan servers for Betafield?    Someone has to pay. Devs never said that the dedicated servers will be free for us. Or at least i haven´t read anything about them being free.        death garden has no monthly fee and the devs know full well that this game would be dead within a month if monthly fees got introduced.
Death Garden is still Alpha.
The Alphas of WoW or Betafield also had no monthly fee...        So how many shooters and multiplayer games with no consistent world do you know that have a monthly fee outside of MMORPGs.        In EAs Betafield 1, people had to rent the expensive servers if they wanted to have a dedicated clan server.    EA has money and still rented out the servers. Ubisoft doesn't do it. But Behavior isn't one of those big companies.     Do you really think they roll out something as expensive as dedicated servers with the current system? P2P doesn't cost them. But servers? That's a whole different story. 
Why don't you reread all the information they released on that term. They never claimed it would be free for us. Again it's not gonna happen unless they keep a peer to peer option which would basically split the playerbase. They'd kill their game through that. Giving us servers for free without any charges or changes in the monetarisation system, would also kill the game.
Now what?
Are you high? Your arguement went from "dedicated servers are gonna cost us money and ruin the game" to "free servers without making us pay will kill the game".
#########?



I´m not high. What about you?

Do you think Behavior has infinite money? That they can afford to spend a ton of money every month, so YOU can get your free dedicated servers? Because those costs would kill the game in the long run, if they don´t change the way they finance their game.
I asked if you were high bc you contradicted yourself. You're so into arguing here you havent realized I'm not arguing with you. Just keep pointing out your salty flip flopping.

Where did i contradict myself? Please show me

Your first arguement was "how we gonna pay for servers. Theyll charge us and it will end the game"

Then it changed to "if they give us servers for free and dont charge us for them, it will kill the game"

So is it free servers or charged servers that will kill the game?

Or maybe just your incessant need to argue with people on a forum for a game you supposedly dont play.

What their saying is.... if the devs dont charge the player base for the servers the devs wont be able to afford em therefore the game will die.... I believe if the devs do charge us for the servers they need to give us something worthwhile to make up for it because yes otherwise the game will die..

You have tons of games out there that are objectively better than DBD with dedicated servers and all, most of the new MMORPGs cannot even think about releasing with paid subscription models anymore and yet there's people here that think a game like DBD would have a subscription model, ROFL.

MOST consumers do not want to put up with a subscription model and DBD certainly is not worth a subscription fee, you're delusional to think otherwise.

Tsulan · December 2018

MhhBurgers said:
@Bravo0413 said:
Carpemortum said:

Tsulan said:

@Carpemortum said:

Tsulan said:
@Carpemortum said:

Tsulan said:
MhhBurgers said: @Tsulan said: MhhBurgers said:
@Tsulan said:    @MhhBurgers said:    @Tsulan said:    @MhhBurgers said:    Who the heck would pay monthly fees for DBD        Who the heck would pay monthly fees to rent dedicated clan servers for Betafield?    Someone has to pay. Devs never said that the dedicated servers will be free for us. Or at least i haven´t read anything about them being free.        death garden has no monthly fee and the devs know full well that this game would be dead within a month if monthly fees got introduced.
Death Garden is still Alpha.
The Alphas of WoW or Betafield also had no monthly fee...        So how many shooters and multiplayer games with no consistent world do you know that have a monthly fee outside of MMORPGs.        In EAs Betafield 1, people had to rent the expensive servers if they wanted to have a dedicated clan server.    EA has money and still rented out the servers. Ubisoft doesn't do it. But Behavior isn't one of those big companies.     Do you really think they roll out something as expensive as dedicated servers with the current system? P2P doesn't cost them. But servers? That's a whole different story. 
Why don't you reread all the information they released on that term. They never claimed it would be free for us. Again it's not gonna happen unless they keep a peer to peer option which would basically split the playerbase. They'd kill their game through that. Giving us servers for free without any charges or changes in the monetarisation system, would also kill the game.
Now what?
Are you high? Your arguement went from "dedicated servers are gonna cost us money and ruin the game" to "free servers without making us pay will kill the game".
#########?



I´m not high. What about you?

Do you think Behavior has infinite money? That they can afford to spend a ton of money every month, so YOU can get your free dedicated servers? Because those costs would kill the game in the long run, if they don´t change the way they finance their game.
I asked if you were high bc you contradicted yourself. You're so into arguing here you havent realized I'm not arguing with you. Just keep pointing out your salty flip flopping.

Where did i contradict myself? Please show me

Your first arguement was "how we gonna pay for servers. Theyll charge us and it will end the game"

Then it changed to "if they give us servers for free and dont charge us for them, it will kill the game"

So is it free servers or charged servers that will kill the game?

Or maybe just your incessant need to argue with people on a forum for a game you supposedly dont play.

What their saying is.... if the devs dont charge the player base for the servers the devs wont be able to afford em therefore the game will die.... I believe if the devs do charge us for the servers they need to give us something worthwhile to make up for it because yes otherwise the game will die..
You have tons of games out there that are objectively better than DBD with dedicated servers and all, most of the new MMORPGs cannot even think about releasing with paid subscription models anymore and yet there's people here that think a game like DBD would have a subscription model, ROFL.

MOST consumers do not want to put up with a subscription model and DBD certainly is not worth a subscription fee, you're delusional to think otherwise.

You see, the problem is, that DbD was designed to be p2p. It was never intended to have dedicated servers. The devs never wanted to implement them, because it's a ton of work to rewrite the code. Apart from the server costs, infrastructure, etc.

Why do they implement them now? Maybe because there were always at least 3 threads asking for dedicated servers.
Our community asked for it. On countless occasions.
Devs finally gave in. But haven't specified any details.

Implementing a monthly cost isn't what we signed up for, when we bought the game. But it's what we've asked for, by asking the devs to spend a ton of money to change an existing game.

Do you think the devs spend so much time and money, and even risk their whole business, just because they want to gift something to the community?

Like... really?

Tsulan · December 2018

OrionsFury4789 said:

Tsulan said:

Dreamnomad said:

@Tsulan said:

@MhhBurgers said:

@Tsulan said:

@MhhBurgers said:
Who the heck would pay monthly fees for DBD

Who the heck would pay monthly fees to rent dedicated clan servers for Betafield?

Someone has to pay. Devs never said that the dedicated servers will be free for us. Or at least i haven´t read anything about them being free.

death garden has no monthly fee and the devs know full well that this game would be dead within a month if monthly fees got introduced.

Death Garden is still Alpha.
The Alphas of WoW or Betafield also had no monthly fee...

Dude, there aren't going to be any monthly fees. Enough with the rumor starting. There is absolutely zero percent chance that this happens.

Source?

It’s alright @Tsulan don’t let these guys bait you into arguing, I’ve seen your posts in the past you know your ######### with this game you’ve just grown tired of all the BS tied in with it and I can’t say I blame you much

Thank you!
At least someone who understands me.

Freudentrauma · December 2018

I really doubt they will change their business model just one year after they introduced us with the recent one. They are earning money through new sales, dlcs and cosmetics. I'm pretty sure, they already calculated how much it would costs them to switch to dedicated servers in the long term, and their current business model might ensure that.
It's more likely that we will se more auric cells only cosmetics than a speculated switch in their business model, just to finance the servers.

MhhBurgers · December 2018

@Tsulan said:
MhhBurgers said:

@Bravo0413 said:

Carpemortum said:
Tsulan said:

@Carpemortum said: 

Tsulan said:
@Carpemortum said: Tsulan said:
MhhBurgers said:    @Tsulan said:    MhhBurgers said:
@Tsulan said: @MhhBurgers said: @Tsulan said: @MhhBurgers said: Who the heck would pay monthly fees for DBD Who the heck would pay monthly fees to rent dedicated clan servers for Betafield? Someone has to pay. Devs never said that the dedicated servers will be free for us. Or at least i haven´t read anything about them being free. death garden has no monthly fee and the devs know full well that this game would be dead within a month if monthly fees got introduced.
Death Garden is still Alpha.
The Alphas of WoW or Betafield also had no monthly fee... So how many shooters and multiplayer games with no consistent world do you know that have a monthly fee outside of MMORPGs. In EAs Betafield 1, people had to rent the expensive servers if they wanted to have a dedicated clan server. EA has money and still rented out the servers. Ubisoft doesn't do it. But Behavior isn't one of those big companies. Do you really think they roll out something as expensive as dedicated servers with the current system? P2P doesn't cost them. But servers? That's a whole different story.
Why don't you reread all the information they released on that term. They never claimed it would be free for us.        Again it's not gonna happen unless they keep a peer to peer option which would basically split the playerbase. They'd kill their game through that.        Giving us servers for free without any charges or changes in the monetarisation system, would also kill the game.
Now what?
Are you high? Your arguement went from "dedicated servers are gonna cost us money and ruin the game" to "free servers without making us pay will kill the game". 
#########? I´m not high. What about you? Do you think Behavior has infinite money? That they can afford to spend a ton of money every month, so YOU can get your free dedicated servers? Because those costs would kill the game in the long run, if they don´t change the way they finance their game.
I asked if you were high bc you contradicted yourself. You're so into arguing here you havent realized I'm not arguing with you. Just keep pointing out your salty flip flopping.



Where did i contradict myself? Please show me



Your first arguement was "how we gonna pay for servers. Theyll charge us and it will end the game"

Then it changed to "if they give us servers for free and dont charge us for them, it will kill the game"

So is it free servers or charged servers that will kill the game? 

Or maybe just your incessant need to argue with people on a forum for a game you supposedly dont play.
What their saying is.... if the devs dont charge the player base for the servers the devs wont be able to afford em therefore the game will die.... I believe if the devs do charge us for the servers they need to give us something worthwhile to make up for it because yes otherwise the game will die..

You have tons of games out there that are objectively better than DBD with dedicated servers and all, most of the new MMORPGs cannot even think about releasing with paid subscription models anymore and yet there's people here that think a game like DBD would have a subscription model, ROFL.

MOST consumers do not want to put up with a subscription model and DBD certainly is not worth a subscription fee, you're delusional to think otherwise.

You see, the problem is, that DbD was designed to be p2p. It was never intended to have dedicated servers. The devs never wanted to implement them, because it's a ton of work to rewrite the code. Apart from the server costs, infrastructure, etc.

Why do they implement them now? Maybe because there were always at least 3 threads asking for dedicated servers.
Our community asked for it. On countless occasions.
Devs finally gave in. But haven't specified any details.

Implementing a monthly cost isn't what we signed up for, when we bought the game. But it's what we've asked for, by asking the devs to spend a ton of money to change an existing game.

Do you think the devs spend so much time and money, and even risk their whole business, just because they want to gift something to the community?

Like... really?

Again you're delusional. If the devs all of the sudden basically said: No you can't play our game unless you pay monthly then they can expect either mass refunds even after the fact or even a class action lawsuit.

It doesn't matter what maybe 1000 people out of 30.000 want when it comes to this.

Bravo0413 · December 2018

MhhBurgers said:
@Tsulan said:
MhhBurgers said:

@Bravo0413 said:

Carpemortum said:
Tsulan said:

@Carpemortum said: 

Tsulan said:
@Carpemortum said: Tsulan said:
MhhBurgers said:    @Tsulan said:    MhhBurgers said:
@Tsulan said: @MhhBurgers said: @Tsulan said: @MhhBurgers said: Who the heck would pay monthly fees for DBD Who the heck would pay monthly fees to rent dedicated clan servers for Betafield? Someone has to pay. Devs never said that the dedicated servers will be free for us. Or at least i haven´t read anything about them being free. death garden has no monthly fee and the devs know full well that this game would be dead within a month if monthly fees got introduced.
Death Garden is still Alpha.
The Alphas of WoW or Betafield also had no monthly fee... So how many shooters and multiplayer games with no consistent world do you know that have a monthly fee outside of MMORPGs. In EAs Betafield 1, people had to rent the expensive servers if they wanted to have a dedicated clan server. EA has money and still rented out the servers. Ubisoft doesn't do it. But Behavior isn't one of those big companies. Do you really think they roll out something as expensive as dedicated servers with the current system? P2P doesn't cost them. But servers? That's a whole different story.
Why don't you reread all the information they released on that term. They never claimed it would be free for us.        Again it's not gonna happen unless they keep a peer to peer option which would basically split the playerbase. They'd kill their game through that.        Giving us servers for free without any charges or changes in the monetarisation system, would also kill the game.
Now what?
Are you high? Your arguement went from "dedicated servers are gonna cost us money and ruin the game" to "free servers without making us pay will kill the game". 
#########? I´m not high. What about you? Do you think Behavior has infinite money? That they can afford to spend a ton of money every month, so YOU can get your free dedicated servers? Because those costs would kill the game in the long run, if they don´t change the way they finance their game.
I asked if you were high bc you contradicted yourself. You're so into arguing here you havent realized I'm not arguing with you. Just keep pointing out your salty flip flopping.



Where did i contradict myself? Please show me



Your first arguement was "how we gonna pay for servers. Theyll charge us and it will end the game"

Then it changed to "if they give us servers for free and dont charge us for them, it will kill the game"

So is it free servers or charged servers that will kill the game? 

Or maybe just your incessant need to argue with people on a forum for a game you supposedly dont play.
What their saying is.... if the devs dont charge the player base for the servers the devs wont be able to afford em therefore the game will die.... I believe if the devs do charge us for the servers they need to give us something worthwhile to make up for it because yes otherwise the game will die..

You have tons of games out there that are objectively better than DBD with dedicated servers and all, most of the new MMORPGs cannot even think about releasing with paid subscription models anymore and yet there's people here that think a game like DBD would have a subscription model, ROFL.

MOST consumers do not want to put up with a subscription model and DBD certainly is not worth a subscription fee, you're delusional to think otherwise.

You see, the problem is, that DbD was designed to be p2p. It was never intended to have dedicated servers. The devs never wanted to implement them, because it's a ton of work to rewrite the code. Apart from the server costs, infrastructure, etc.

Why do they implement them now? Maybe because there were always at least 3 threads asking for dedicated servers.
Our community asked for it. On countless occasions.
Devs finally gave in. But haven't specified any details.

Implementing a monthly cost isn't what we signed up for, when we bought the game. But it's what we've asked for, by asking the devs to spend a ton of money to change an existing game.

Do you think the devs spend so much time and money, and even risk their whole business, just because they want to gift something to the community?

Like... really?
Again you're delusional. If the devs all of the sudden basically said: No you can't play our game unless you pay monthly then they can expect either mass refunds even after the fact or even a class action lawsuit.

It doesn't matter what maybe 1000 people out of 30.000 want when it comes to this.

And we are agreeing with what you're saying... if the devs don't make it worthwhile............... like DBD will have to be a brand new game... itll have to offer soo much to make monthly payment status.... we're talking WoW a game that requires payment but offers a lot...... the devs have stated multiple times "we weren't expecting DBD to grow as much as it has" so we know that bhvr was not prepared for this type of upgrade

Tsulan · December 2018

MhhBurgers said:
@Tsulan said:
MhhBurgers said:

@Bravo0413 said:

Carpemortum said:
Tsulan said:

@Carpemortum said: 

Tsulan said:
@Carpemortum said: Tsulan said:
MhhBurgers said:    @Tsulan said:    MhhBurgers said:
@Tsulan said: @MhhBurgers said: @Tsulan said: @MhhBurgers said: Who the heck would pay monthly fees for DBD Who the heck would pay monthly fees to rent dedicated clan servers for Betafield? Someone has to pay. Devs never said that the dedicated servers will be free for us. Or at least i haven´t read anything about them being free. death garden has no monthly fee and the devs know full well that this game would be dead within a month if monthly fees got introduced.
Death Garden is still Alpha.
The Alphas of WoW or Betafield also had no monthly fee... So how many shooters and multiplayer games with no consistent world do you know that have a monthly fee outside of MMORPGs. In EAs Betafield 1, people had to rent the expensive servers if they wanted to have a dedicated clan server. EA has money and still rented out the servers. Ubisoft doesn't do it. But Behavior isn't one of those big companies. Do you really think they roll out something as expensive as dedicated servers with the current system? P2P doesn't cost them. But servers? That's a whole different story.
Why don't you reread all the information they released on that term. They never claimed it would be free for us.        Again it's not gonna happen unless they keep a peer to peer option which would basically split the playerbase. They'd kill their game through that.        Giving us servers for free without any charges or changes in the monetarisation system, would also kill the game.
Now what?
Are you high? Your arguement went from "dedicated servers are gonna cost us money and ruin the game" to "free servers without making us pay will kill the game". 
#########? I´m not high. What about you? Do you think Behavior has infinite money? That they can afford to spend a ton of money every month, so YOU can get your free dedicated servers? Because those costs would kill the game in the long run, if they don´t change the way they finance their game.
I asked if you were high bc you contradicted yourself. You're so into arguing here you havent realized I'm not arguing with you. Just keep pointing out your salty flip flopping.



Where did i contradict myself? Please show me



Your first arguement was "how we gonna pay for servers. Theyll charge us and it will end the game"

Then it changed to "if they give us servers for free and dont charge us for them, it will kill the game"

So is it free servers or charged servers that will kill the game? 

Or maybe just your incessant need to argue with people on a forum for a game you supposedly dont play.
What their saying is.... if the devs dont charge the player base for the servers the devs wont be able to afford em therefore the game will die.... I believe if the devs do charge us for the servers they need to give us something worthwhile to make up for it because yes otherwise the game will die..

You have tons of games out there that are objectively better than DBD with dedicated servers and all, most of the new MMORPGs cannot even think about releasing with paid subscription models anymore and yet there's people here that think a game like DBD would have a subscription model, ROFL.

MOST consumers do not want to put up with a subscription model and DBD certainly is not worth a subscription fee, you're delusional to think otherwise.

You see, the problem is, that DbD was designed to be p2p. It was never intended to have dedicated servers. The devs never wanted to implement them, because it's a ton of work to rewrite the code. Apart from the server costs, infrastructure, etc.

Why do they implement them now? Maybe because there were always at least 3 threads asking for dedicated servers.
Our community asked for it. On countless occasions.
Devs finally gave in. But haven't specified any details.

Implementing a monthly cost isn't what we signed up for, when we bought the game. But it's what we've asked for, by asking the devs to spend a ton of money to change an existing game.

Do you think the devs spend so much time and money, and even risk their whole business, just because they want to gift something to the community?

Like... really?
Again you're delusional. If the devs all of the sudden basically said: No you can't play our game unless you pay monthly then they can expect either mass refunds even after the fact or even a class action lawsuit.

It doesn't matter what maybe 1000 people out of 30.000 want when it comes to this.

Why does everyone insult on this matter?

Anyway, the devs could simply add a p2p unranked mode and base the ranked on a monthly subscription.

They'd solve 2 problems at the same time.

fcc2014 · December 2018

@Tsulan said:

F13 did dedicated servers with no player base and no cost to the players. It does not necessarily mean they will be free but you will get a drop in the player base if players have to pay a monthly fee.

Yeah... and look how that game's health is.
It's almost dead.

The game was dead before they announced the dedicated servers to be fair.

MhhBurgers · December 2018

@Bravo0413 said:
MhhBurgers said:

@Tsulan said:

MhhBurgers said:
@Bravo0413 said:

Carpemortum said:
Tsulan said: @Carpemortum said: Tsulan said:
@Carpemortum said:    Tsulan said:
MhhBurgers said: @Tsulan said: MhhBurgers said:
@Tsulan said:    @MhhBurgers said:    @Tsulan said:    @MhhBurgers said:    Who the heck would pay monthly fees for DBD        Who the heck would pay monthly fees to rent dedicated clan servers for Betafield?    Someone has to pay. Devs never said that the dedicated servers will be free for us. Or at least i haven´t read anything about them being free.        death garden has no monthly fee and the devs know full well that this game would be dead within a month if monthly fees got introduced.
Death Garden is still Alpha.
The Alphas of WoW or Betafield also had no monthly fee...        So how many shooters and multiplayer games with no consistent world do you know that have a monthly fee outside of MMORPGs.        In EAs Betafield 1, people had to rent the expensive servers if they wanted to have a dedicated clan server.    EA has money and still rented out the servers. Ubisoft doesn't do it. But Behavior isn't one of those big companies.     Do you really think they roll out something as expensive as dedicated servers with the current system? P2P doesn't cost them. But servers? That's a whole different story. 
Why don't you reread all the information they released on that term. They never claimed it would be free for us. Again it's not gonna happen unless they keep a peer to peer option which would basically split the playerbase. They'd kill their game through that. Giving us servers for free without any charges or changes in the monetarisation system, would also kill the game.
Now what?
Are you high? Your arguement went from "dedicated servers are gonna cost us money and ruin the game" to "free servers without making us pay will kill the game".
#########?        I´m not high. What about you?    Do you think Behavior has infinite money? That they can afford to spend a ton of money every month, so YOU can get your free dedicated servers? Because those costs would kill the game in the long run, if they don´t change the way they finance their game.
I asked if you were high bc you contradicted yourself. You're so into arguing here you havent realized I'm not arguing with you. Just keep pointing out your salty flip flopping. Where did i contradict myself? Please show me Your first arguement was "how we gonna pay for servers. Theyll charge us and it will end the game" Then it changed to "if they give us servers for free and dont charge us for them, it will kill the game" So is it free servers or charged servers that will kill the game? Or maybe just your incessant need to argue with people on a forum for a game you supposedly dont play.
What their saying is.... if the devs dont charge the player base for the servers the devs wont be able to afford em therefore the game will die.... I believe if the devs do charge us for the servers they need to give us something worthwhile to make up for it because yes otherwise the game will die..



You have tons of games out there that are objectively better than DBD with dedicated servers and all, most of the new MMORPGs cannot even think about releasing with paid subscription models anymore and yet there's people here that think a game like DBD would have a subscription model, ROFL.

MOST consumers do not want to put up with a subscription model and DBD certainly is not worth a subscription fee, you're delusional to think otherwise.



You see, the problem is, that DbD was designed to be p2p. It was never intended to have dedicated servers. The devs never wanted to implement them, because it's a ton of work to rewrite the code. Apart from the server costs, infrastructure, etc.

Why do they implement them now? Maybe because there were always at least 3 threads asking for dedicated servers. 
Our community asked for it. On countless occasions.

Devs finally gave in. But haven't specified any details.
Implementing a monthly cost isn't what we signed up for, when we bought the game.  But it's what we've asked for, by asking the devs to spend a ton of money to change an existing game.

Do you think the devs spend so much time and money, and even risk their whole business, just because they want to gift something to the community?
Like... really?

Again you're delusional. If the devs all of the sudden basically said: No you can't play our game unless you pay monthly then they can expect either mass refunds even after the fact or even a class action lawsuit.

It doesn't matter what maybe 1000 people out of 30.000 want when it comes to this.

And we are agreeing with what you're saying... if the devs don't make it worthwhile............... like DBD will have to be a brand new game... itll have to offer soo much to make monthly payment status.... we're talking WoW a game that requires payment but offers a lot...... the devs have stated multiple times "we weren't expecting DBD to grow as much as it has" so we know that bhvr was not prepared for this type of upgrade

This doesn't change the fact that people bought the game and the contract to the game basically didn't include a monthly payment. No matter how much they change the game (talking in a realistic sense here), they cannot change to monthly sub.

Tsulan · December 2018

MhhBurgers said:
@Bravo0413 said:
MhhBurgers said:

@Tsulan said:

MhhBurgers said:
@Bravo0413 said:

Carpemortum said:
Tsulan said: @Carpemortum said: Tsulan said:
@Carpemortum said:    Tsulan said:
MhhBurgers said: @Tsulan said: MhhBurgers said:
@Tsulan said:    @MhhBurgers said:    @Tsulan said:    @MhhBurgers said:    Who the heck would pay monthly fees for DBD        Who the heck would pay monthly fees to rent dedicated clan servers for Betafield?    Someone has to pay. Devs never said that the dedicated servers will be free for us. Or at least i haven´t read anything about them being free.        death garden has no monthly fee and the devs know full well that this game would be dead within a month if monthly fees got introduced.
Death Garden is still Alpha.
The Alphas of WoW or Betafield also had no monthly fee...        So how many shooters and multiplayer games with no consistent world do you know that have a monthly fee outside of MMORPGs.        In EAs Betafield 1, people had to rent the expensive servers if they wanted to have a dedicated clan server.    EA has money and still rented out the servers. Ubisoft doesn't do it. But Behavior isn't one of those big companies.     Do you really think they roll out something as expensive as dedicated servers with the current system? P2P doesn't cost them. But servers? That's a whole different story. 
Why don't you reread all the information they released on that term. They never claimed it would be free for us. Again it's not gonna happen unless they keep a peer to peer option which would basically split the playerbase. They'd kill their game through that. Giving us servers for free without any charges or changes in the monetarisation system, would also kill the game.
Now what?
Are you high? Your arguement went from "dedicated servers are gonna cost us money and ruin the game" to "free servers without making us pay will kill the game".
#########?        I´m not high. What about you?    Do you think Behavior has infinite money? That they can afford to spend a ton of money every month, so YOU can get your free dedicated servers? Because those costs would kill the game in the long run, if they don´t change the way they finance their game.
I asked if you were high bc you contradicted yourself. You're so into arguing here you havent realized I'm not arguing with you. Just keep pointing out your salty flip flopping. Where did i contradict myself? Please show me Your first arguement was "how we gonna pay for servers. Theyll charge us and it will end the game" Then it changed to "if they give us servers for free and dont charge us for them, it will kill the game" So is it free servers or charged servers that will kill the game? Or maybe just your incessant need to argue with people on a forum for a game you supposedly dont play.
What their saying is.... if the devs dont charge the player base for the servers the devs wont be able to afford em therefore the game will die.... I believe if the devs do charge us for the servers they need to give us something worthwhile to make up for it because yes otherwise the game will die..



You have tons of games out there that are objectively better than DBD with dedicated servers and all, most of the new MMORPGs cannot even think about releasing with paid subscription models anymore and yet there's people here that think a game like DBD would have a subscription model, ROFL.

MOST consumers do not want to put up with a subscription model and DBD certainly is not worth a subscription fee, you're delusional to think otherwise.



You see, the problem is, that DbD was designed to be p2p. It was never intended to have dedicated servers. The devs never wanted to implement them, because it's a ton of work to rewrite the code. Apart from the server costs, infrastructure, etc.

Why do they implement them now? Maybe because there were always at least 3 threads asking for dedicated servers. 
Our community asked for it. On countless occasions.

Devs finally gave in. But haven't specified any details.
Implementing a monthly cost isn't what we signed up for, when we bought the game.  But it's what we've asked for, by asking the devs to spend a ton of money to change an existing game.

Do you think the devs spend so much time and money, and even risk their whole business, just because they want to gift something to the community?
Like... really?

Again you're delusional. If the devs all of the sudden basically said: No you can't play our game unless you pay monthly then they can expect either mass refunds even after the fact or even a class action lawsuit.

It doesn't matter what maybe 1000 people out of 30.000 want when it comes to this.

And we are agreeing with what you're saying... if the devs don't make it worthwhile............... like DBD will have to be a brand new game... itll have to offer soo much to make monthly payment status.... we're talking WoW a game that requires payment but offers a lot...... the devs have stated multiple times "we weren't expecting DBD to grow as much as it has" so we know that bhvr was not prepared for this type of upgrade
This doesn't change the fact that people bought the game and the contract to the game basically didn't include a monthly payment. No matter how much they change the game (talking in a realistic sense here), they cannot change to monthly sub.

So terms of use can't change after the property of the company changed?

The guys from Kerbal Space Program would like to have a chat with you. There even was a useless ######### storm, after they changed the contract.

Tsulan · December 2018

fcc2014 said:

@Tsulan said:

F13 did dedicated servers with no player base and no cost to the players. It does not necessarily mean they will be free but you will get a drop in the player base if players have to pay a monthly fee.

Yeah... and look how that game's health is.
It's almost dead.

The game was dead before they announced the dedicated servers to be fair.

According to many people, it was supposed to kill DbD...

Carpemortum · December 2018

MhhBurgers said:
@Tsulan said:
Dreamnomad said:

@Tsulan said:

@MhhBurgers said:

@Tsulan said:

@MhhBurgers said:

Who the heck would pay monthly fees for DBD

Who the heck would pay monthly fees to rent dedicated clan servers for Betafield?

Someone has to pay. Devs never said that the dedicated servers will be free for us. Or at least i haven´t read anything about them being free.

death garden has no monthly fee and the devs know full well that this game would be dead within a month if monthly fees got introduced.
Death Garden is still Alpha.
The Alphas of WoW or Betafield also had no monthly fee...

Dude, there aren't going to be any monthly fees. Enough with the rumor starting. There is absolutely zero percent chance that this happens.

Source?
Do you even play games besides [BAD WORD] DBD?

Well, supposedly he doesnt even PLAY dbd anymore.

Carpemortum · December 2018

Tsulan said:
Carpemortum said:
Tsulan said:
@Carpemortum said:
Tsulan said:

@Carpemortum said:

Tsulan said:
MhhBurgers said:

@Tsulan said:

MhhBurgers said:
@Tsulan said: @MhhBurgers said: @Tsulan said: @MhhBurgers said: Who the heck would pay monthly fees for DBD Who the heck would pay monthly fees to rent dedicated clan servers for Betafield? Someone has to pay. Devs never said that the dedicated servers will be free for us. Or at least i haven´t read anything about them being free. death garden has no monthly fee and the devs know full well that this game would be dead within a month if monthly fees got introduced.
Death Garden is still Alpha.
The Alphas of WoW or Betafield also had no monthly fee... So how many shooters and multiplayer games with no consistent world do you know that have a monthly fee outside of MMORPGs. In EAs Betafield 1, people had to rent the expensive servers if they wanted to have a dedicated clan server. EA has money and still rented out the servers. Ubisoft doesn't do it. But Behavior isn't one of those big companies. Do you really think they roll out something as expensive as dedicated servers with the current system? P2P doesn't cost them. But servers? That's a whole different story.
Why don't you reread all the information they released on that term. They never claimed it would be free for us.



Again it's not gonna happen unless they keep a peer to peer option which would basically split the playerbase. They'd kill their game through that.



Giving us servers for free without any charges or changes in the monetarisation system, would also kill the game.
Now what?
Are you high? Your arguement went from "dedicated servers are gonna cost us money and ruin the game" to "free servers without making us pay will kill the game". 
#########?

I´m not high. What about you?

Do you think Behavior has infinite money? That they can afford to spend a ton of money every month, so YOU can get your free dedicated servers? Because those costs would kill the game in the long run, if they don´t change the way they finance their game.

I asked if you were high bc you contradicted yourself. You're so into arguing here you havent realized I'm not arguing with you. Just keep pointing out your salty flip flopping.
Where did i contradict myself? Please show me
Your first arguement was "how we gonna pay for servers. Theyll charge us and it will end the game"

Then it changed to "if they give us servers for free and dont charge us for them, it will kill the game"

So is it free servers or charged servers that will kill the game?

Or maybe just your incessant need to argue with people on a forum for a game you supposedly dont play.
And where did I contradict?
YOU said, that paid servers will kill the game. Probably because you think people won't pay for servers as a service they always asked for. Duh...

I said, that giving us those servers for free without changing the monetary system will kill the game. Because servers are expensive. If the players don't pay for it, the devs would have to take the money from somewhere else.

Lol I never said paid servers would kill the game. You did.

I see you tried to put words in my mouth after I left the conversation AND pointed out where you contradicted yourself.

Enjoy your salt filled life, Tsulan.

MhhBurgers · December 2018

@Tsulan said:
MhhBurgers said:

@Bravo0413 said:

MhhBurgers said:
@Tsulan said:

MhhBurgers said:
@Bravo0413 said: Carpemortum said:
Tsulan said:    @Carpemortum said:     Tsulan said:
@Carpemortum said: Tsulan said:
MhhBurgers said:    @Tsulan said:    MhhBurgers said:
@Tsulan said: @MhhBurgers said: @Tsulan said: @MhhBurgers said: Who the heck would pay monthly fees for DBD Who the heck would pay monthly fees to rent dedicated clan servers for Betafield? Someone has to pay. Devs never said that the dedicated servers will be free for us. Or at least i haven´t read anything about them being free. death garden has no monthly fee and the devs know full well that this game would be dead within a month if monthly fees got introduced.
Death Garden is still Alpha.
The Alphas of WoW or Betafield also had no monthly fee... So how many shooters and multiplayer games with no consistent world do you know that have a monthly fee outside of MMORPGs. In EAs Betafield 1, people had to rent the expensive servers if they wanted to have a dedicated clan server. EA has money and still rented out the servers. Ubisoft doesn't do it. But Behavior isn't one of those big companies. Do you really think they roll out something as expensive as dedicated servers with the current system? P2P doesn't cost them. But servers? That's a whole different story.
Why don't you reread all the information they released on that term. They never claimed it would be free for us.        Again it's not gonna happen unless they keep a peer to peer option which would basically split the playerbase. They'd kill their game through that.        Giving us servers for free without any charges or changes in the monetarisation system, would also kill the game.
Now what?
Are you high? Your arguement went from "dedicated servers are gonna cost us money and ruin the game" to "free servers without making us pay will kill the game". 
#########? I´m not high. What about you? Do you think Behavior has infinite money? That they can afford to spend a ton of money every month, so YOU can get your free dedicated servers? Because those costs would kill the game in the long run, if they don´t change the way they finance their game.
I asked if you were high bc you contradicted yourself. You're so into arguing here you havent realized I'm not arguing with you. Just keep pointing out your salty flip flopping.        Where did i contradict myself? Please show me        Your first arguement was "how we gonna pay for servers. Theyll charge us and it will end the game"    Then it changed to "if they give us servers for free and dont charge us for them, it will kill the game"    So is it free servers or charged servers that will kill the game?     Or maybe just your incessant need to argue with people on a forum for a game you supposedly dont play.
What their saying is.... if the devs dont charge the player base for the servers the devs wont be able to afford em therefore the game will die.... I believe if the devs do charge us for the servers they need to give us something worthwhile to make up for it because yes otherwise the game will die.. You have tons of games out there that are objectively better than DBD with dedicated servers and all, most of the new MMORPGs cannot even think about releasing with paid subscription models anymore and yet there's people here that think a game like DBD would have a subscription model, ROFL. MOST consumers do not want to put up with a subscription model and DBD certainly is not worth a subscription fee, you're delusional to think otherwise. You see, the problem is, that DbD was designed to be p2p. It was never intended to have dedicated servers. The devs never wanted to implement them, because it's a ton of work to rewrite the code. Apart from the server costs, infrastructure, etc. Why do they implement them now? Maybe because there were always at least 3 threads asking for dedicated servers.
Our community asked for it. On countless occasions. 

Devs finally gave in. But haven't specified any details. 
Implementing a monthly cost isn't what we signed up for, when we bought the game. But it's what we've asked for, by asking the devs to spend a ton of money to change an existing game. Do you think the devs spend so much time and money, and even risk their whole business, just because they want to gift something to the community?
Like... really?



Again you're delusional. If the devs all of the sudden basically said: No you can't play our game unless you pay monthly then they can expect either mass refunds even after the fact or even a class action lawsuit.

It doesn't matter what maybe 1000 people out of 30.000 want when it comes to this.
And we are agreeing with what you're saying... if the devs don't make it worthwhile............... like DBD will have to be a brand new game... itll have to offer soo much to make monthly payment status.... we're talking WoW a game that requires payment but offers a lot...... the devs have stated multiple times "we weren't expecting DBD to grow as much as it has" so we know that bhvr was not prepared for this type of upgrade

This doesn't change the fact that people bought the game and the contract to the game basically didn't include a monthly payment. No matter how much they change the game (talking in a realistic sense here), they cannot change to monthly sub.

So terms of use can't change after the property of the company changed?

The guys from Kerbal Space Program would like to have a chat with you. There even was a useless ######### storm, after they changed the contract.

So did Kerbal introduce a monthly fee that was required to play over a product you previously paid for that had no monthly fee? no? gtfo then.

Also a small forum minority asking for dedicated servers=/=DBD playerbase willing to pay even 10 cents per month for dedicated servers.

Orion · December 2018

@Tsulan said:
The guys from Kerbal Space Program would like to have a chat with you. There even was a useless ######### storm, after they changed the contract.

What happened with KSP? I was considering purchasing that game...

MhhBurgers · December 2018

@Orion said:

@Tsulan said:
The guys from Kerbal Space Program would like to have a chat with you. There even was a useless ######### storm, after they changed the contract.

What happened with KSP? I was considering purchasing that game...

They made some quote genderneutral which is totally the same as slapping a monthly cost into a game that never was advertised/sold as a game requiring a monthly fee to play.

Orion · December 2018

@MhhBurgers said:

@Orion said:

@Tsulan said:
The guys from Kerbal Space Program would like to have a chat with you. There even was a useless ######### storm, after they changed the contract.

What happened with KSP? I was considering purchasing that game...

They made some quote genderneutral which is totally the same as slapping a monthly cost into a game that never was advertised/sold as a game requiring a monthly fee to play.

Usually I'd take that as a joke, but it sounds exactly like the kind of thing those anti-SJW snowflakes would complain about.

Fictionalname · December 2018

The host system we currently have is the most optimal one and you ignorant whiners will regret crying about dedicated servers when we get it.

Host system lets YOU pick whatever ping you wish, dedicated server will force you to pick.

MhhBurgers · December 2018

@Orion said:

@MhhBurgers said:

@Orion said:

@Tsulan said:
The guys from Kerbal Space Program would like to have a chat with you. There even was a useless ######### storm, after they changed the contract.

What happened with KSP? I was considering purchasing that game...

They made some quote genderneutral which is totally the same as slapping a monthly cost into a game that never was advertised/sold as a game requiring a monthly fee to play.

Usually I'd take that as a joke, but it sounds exactly like the kind of thing those anti-SJW snowflakes would complain about.

It was Chinese ppl not anti-sjws. Also most people are anti-SJW now.

Orion · December 2018

@MhhBurgers said:

@Orion said:

@MhhBurgers said:

@Orion said:

@Tsulan said:
The guys from Kerbal Space Program would like to have a chat with you. There even was a useless ######### storm, after they changed the contract.

What happened with KSP? I was considering purchasing that game...

They made some quote genderneutral which is totally the same as slapping a monthly cost into a game that never was advertised/sold as a game requiring a monthly fee to play.

Usually I'd take that as a joke, but it sounds exactly like the kind of thing those anti-SJW snowflakes would complain about.

It was Chinese ppl not anti-sjws. Also most people are anti-SJW now.

Same difference. I mean anti-SJW in the sense of people who get triggered when someone says "Happy holidays".

Tsulan · December 2018

MhhBurgers said:

@Orion said:

@Tsulan said:
The guys from Kerbal Space Program would like to have a chat with you. There even was a useless ######### storm, after they changed the contract.

What happened with KSP? I was considering purchasing that game...

They made some quote genderneutral which is totally the same as slapping a monthly cost into a game that never was advertised/sold as a game requiring a monthly fee to play.

Uhm it was more like this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/KerbalSpaceProgram/comments/7zpenf/take2_updating_terms_of_service_and_eula_for_ksp/

MhhBurgers · December 2018

@Tsulan said:
MhhBurgers said:

@Orion said:
 @Tsulan said:
The guys from Kerbal Space Program would like to have a chat with you. There even was a useless ######### storm, after they changed the contract.

What happened with KSP? I was considering purchasing that game...

They made some quote genderneutral which is totally the same as slapping a monthly cost into a game that never was advertised/sold as a game requiring a monthly fee to play.

Uhm it was more like this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/KerbalSpaceProgram/comments/7zpenf/take2_updating_terms_of_service_and_eula_for_ksp/

Great, you just gave me an example of a poorly written EULA that any lawyer could blaze through.

Tsulan · December 2018

MhhBurgers said:
@Tsulan said:
MhhBurgers said:

@Bravo0413 said:

MhhBurgers said:
@Tsulan said:

MhhBurgers said:
@Bravo0413 said: Carpemortum said:
Tsulan said:    @Carpemortum said:     Tsulan said:
@Carpemortum said: Tsulan said:
MhhBurgers said:    @Tsulan said:    MhhBurgers said:
@Tsulan said: @MhhBurgers said: @Tsulan said: @MhhBurgers said: Who the heck would pay monthly fees for DBD Who the heck would pay monthly fees to rent dedicated clan servers for Betafield? Someone has to pay. Devs never said that the dedicated servers will be free for us. Or at least i haven´t read anything about them being free. death garden has no monthly fee and the devs know full well that this game would be dead within a month if monthly fees got introduced.
Death Garden is still Alpha.
The Alphas of WoW or Betafield also had no monthly fee... So how many shooters and multiplayer games with no consistent world do you know that have a monthly fee outside of MMORPGs. In EAs Betafield 1, people had to rent the expensive servers if they wanted to have a dedicated clan server. EA has money and still rented out the servers. Ubisoft doesn't do it. But Behavior isn't one of those big companies. Do you really think they roll out something as expensive as dedicated servers with the current system? P2P doesn't cost them. But servers? That's a whole different story.
Why don't you reread all the information they released on that term. They never claimed it would be free for us.        Again it's not gonna happen unless they keep a peer to peer option which would basically split the playerbase. They'd kill their game through that.        Giving us servers for free without any charges or changes in the monetarisation system, would also kill the game.
Now what?
Are you high? Your arguement went from "dedicated servers are gonna cost us money and ruin the game" to "free servers without making us pay will kill the game". 
#########? I´m not high. What about you? Do you think Behavior has infinite money? That they can afford to spend a ton of money every month, so YOU can get your free dedicated servers? Because those costs would kill the game in the long run, if they don´t change the way they finance their game.
I asked if you were high bc you contradicted yourself. You're so into arguing here you havent realized I'm not arguing with you. Just keep pointing out your salty flip flopping.        Where did i contradict myself? Please show me        Your first arguement was "how we gonna pay for servers. Theyll charge us and it will end the game"    Then it changed to "if they give us servers for free and dont charge us for them, it will kill the game"    So is it free servers or charged servers that will kill the game?     Or maybe just your incessant need to argue with people on a forum for a game you supposedly dont play.
What their saying is.... if the devs dont charge the player base for the servers the devs wont be able to afford em therefore the game will die.... I believe if the devs do charge us for the servers they need to give us something worthwhile to make up for it because yes otherwise the game will die.. You have tons of games out there that are objectively better than DBD with dedicated servers and all, most of the new MMORPGs cannot even think about releasing with paid subscription models anymore and yet there's people here that think a game like DBD would have a subscription model, ROFL. MOST consumers do not want to put up with a subscription model and DBD certainly is not worth a subscription fee, you're delusional to think otherwise. You see, the problem is, that DbD was designed to be p2p. It was never intended to have dedicated servers. The devs never wanted to implement them, because it's a ton of work to rewrite the code. Apart from the server costs, infrastructure, etc. Why do they implement them now? Maybe because there were always at least 3 threads asking for dedicated servers.
Our community asked for it. On countless occasions. 

Devs finally gave in. But haven't specified any details. 
Implementing a monthly cost isn't what we signed up for, when we bought the game. But it's what we've asked for, by asking the devs to spend a ton of money to change an existing game. Do you think the devs spend so much time and money, and even risk their whole business, just because they want to gift something to the community?
Like... really?



Again you're delusional. If the devs all of the sudden basically said: No you can't play our game unless you pay monthly then they can expect either mass refunds even after the fact or even a class action lawsuit.

It doesn't matter what maybe 1000 people out of 30.000 want when it comes to this.
And we are agreeing with what you're saying... if the devs don't make it worthwhile............... like DBD will have to be a brand new game... itll have to offer soo much to make monthly payment status.... we're talking WoW a game that requires payment but offers a lot...... the devs have stated multiple times "we weren't expecting DBD to grow as much as it has" so we know that bhvr was not prepared for this type of upgrade

This doesn't change the fact that people bought the game and the contract to the game basically didn't include a monthly payment. No matter how much they change the game (talking in a realistic sense here), they cannot change to monthly sub.

So terms of use can't change after the property of the company changed?

The guys from Kerbal Space Program would like to have a chat with you. There even was a useless ######### storm, after they changed the contract.
So did Kerbal introduce a monthly fee that was required to play over a product you previously paid for that had no monthly fee? no? gtfo then.

Also a small forum minority asking for dedicated servers=/=DBD playerbase willing to pay even 10 cents per month for dedicated servers.

So the devs spend a ton of money to completely change a game from p2p to dedicated servers. On a perfectly working game. Because a minority of our player base asks for this ridiculous change.

Makes totally sense!
/not

MhhBurgers · December 2018

@Tsulan said:
MhhBurgers said:

@Tsulan said:

MhhBurgers said:
@Bravo0413 said:

MhhBurgers said:
@Tsulan said: MhhBurgers said:
@Bravo0413 said:    Carpemortum said:
Tsulan said: @Carpemortum said: Tsulan said:
@Carpemortum said:    Tsulan said:
MhhBurgers said: @Tsulan said: MhhBurgers said:
@Tsulan said:    @MhhBurgers said:    @Tsulan said:    @MhhBurgers said:    Who the heck would pay monthly fees for DBD        Who the heck would pay monthly fees to rent dedicated clan servers for Betafield?    Someone has to pay. Devs never said that the dedicated servers will be free for us. Or at least i haven´t read anything about them being free.        death garden has no monthly fee and the devs know full well that this game would be dead within a month if monthly fees got introduced.
Death Garden is still Alpha.
The Alphas of WoW or Betafield also had no monthly fee...        So how many shooters and multiplayer games with no consistent world do you know that have a monthly fee outside of MMORPGs.        In EAs Betafield 1, people had to rent the expensive servers if they wanted to have a dedicated clan server.    EA has money and still rented out the servers. Ubisoft doesn't do it. But Behavior isn't one of those big companies.     Do you really think they roll out something as expensive as dedicated servers with the current system? P2P doesn't cost them. But servers? That's a whole different story. 
Why don't you reread all the information they released on that term. They never claimed it would be free for us. Again it's not gonna happen unless they keep a peer to peer option which would basically split the playerbase. They'd kill their game through that. Giving us servers for free without any charges or changes in the monetarisation system, would also kill the game.
Now what?
Are you high? Your arguement went from "dedicated servers are gonna cost us money and ruin the game" to "free servers without making us pay will kill the game".
#########?        I´m not high. What about you?    Do you think Behavior has infinite money? That they can afford to spend a ton of money every month, so YOU can get your free dedicated servers? Because those costs would kill the game in the long run, if they don´t change the way they finance their game.
I asked if you were high bc you contradicted yourself. You're so into arguing here you havent realized I'm not arguing with you. Just keep pointing out your salty flip flopping. Where did i contradict myself? Please show me Your first arguement was "how we gonna pay for servers. Theyll charge us and it will end the game" Then it changed to "if they give us servers for free and dont charge us for them, it will kill the game" So is it free servers or charged servers that will kill the game? Or maybe just your incessant need to argue with people on a forum for a game you supposedly dont play.
What their saying is.... if the devs dont charge the player base for the servers the devs wont be able to afford em therefore the game will die.... I believe if the devs do charge us for the servers they need to give us something worthwhile to make up for it because yes otherwise the game will die..        You have tons of games out there that are objectively better than DBD with dedicated servers and all, most of the new MMORPGs cannot even think about releasing with paid subscription models anymore and yet there's people here that think a game like DBD would have a subscription model, ROFL.    MOST consumers do not want to put up with a subscription model and DBD certainly is not worth a subscription fee, you're delusional to think otherwise.        You see, the problem is, that DbD was designed to be p2p. It was never intended to have dedicated servers. The devs never wanted to implement them, because it's a ton of work to rewrite the code. Apart from the server costs, infrastructure, etc.    Why do they implement them now? Maybe because there were always at least 3 threads asking for dedicated servers. 
Our community asked for it. On countless occasions. Devs finally gave in. But haven't specified any details.
Implementing a monthly cost isn't what we signed up for, when we bought the game.  But it's what we've asked for, by asking the devs to spend a ton of money to change an existing game.    Do you think the devs spend so much time and money, and even risk their whole business, just because they want to gift something to the community?
Like... really? Again you're delusional. If the devs all of the sudden basically said: No you can't play our game unless you pay monthly then they can expect either mass refunds even after the fact or even a class action lawsuit. It doesn't matter what maybe 1000 people out of 30.000 want when it comes to this.
And we are agreeing with what you're saying... if the devs don't make it worthwhile............... like DBD will have to be a brand new game... itll have to offer soo much to make monthly payment status.... we're talking WoW a game that requires payment but offers a lot...... the devs have stated multiple times "we weren't expecting DBD to grow as much as it has" so we know that bhvr was not prepared for this type of upgrade 



This doesn't change the fact that people bought the game and the contract to the game basically didn't include a monthly payment. No matter how much they change the game (talking in a realistic sense here), they cannot change to monthly sub.



So terms of use can't change after the property of the company changed?
The guys from Kerbal Space Program would like to have a chat with you. There even was a useless ######### storm, after they changed the contract.

So did Kerbal introduce a monthly fee that was required to play over a product you previously paid for that had no monthly fee? no? gtfo then.

Also a small forum minority asking for dedicated servers=/=DBD playerbase willing to pay even 10 cents per month for dedicated servers.

So the devs spend a ton of money to completely change a game from p2p to dedicated servers. On a perfectly working game. Because a minority of our player base asks for this ridiculous change.

Makes totally sense!
/not

Actually it does, again maybe play some games in the first place, dedicated servers do not warrant a monthly fee, only friggin games like WoW do it and their servers are MASSIVE.

Tsulan · December 2018

MhhBurgers said:
@Tsulan said:
MhhBurgers said:

@Tsulan said:

MhhBurgers said:
@Bravo0413 said:

MhhBurgers said:
@Tsulan said: MhhBurgers said:
@Bravo0413 said:    Carpemortum said:
Tsulan said: @Carpemortum said: Tsulan said:
@Carpemortum said:    Tsulan said:
MhhBurgers said: @Tsulan said: MhhBurgers said:
@Tsulan said:    @MhhBurgers said:    @Tsulan said:    @MhhBurgers said:    Who the heck would pay monthly fees for DBD        Who the heck would pay monthly fees to rent dedicated clan servers for Betafield?    Someone has to pay. Devs never said that the dedicated servers will be free for us. Or at least i haven´t read anything about them being free.        death garden has no monthly fee and the devs know full well that this game would be dead within a month if monthly fees got introduced.
Death Garden is still Alpha.
The Alphas of WoW or Betafield also had no monthly fee...        So how many shooters and multiplayer games with no consistent world do you know that have a monthly fee outside of MMORPGs.        In EAs Betafield 1, people had to rent the expensive servers if they wanted to have a dedicated clan server.    EA has money and still rented out the servers. Ubisoft doesn't do it. But Behavior isn't one of those big companies.     Do you really think they roll out something as expensive as dedicated servers with the current system? P2P doesn't cost them. But servers? That's a whole different story. 
Why don't you reread all the information they released on that term. They never claimed it would be free for us. Again it's not gonna happen unless they keep a peer to peer option which would basically split the playerbase. They'd kill their game through that. Giving us servers for free without any charges or changes in the monetarisation system, would also kill the game.
Now what?
Are you high? Your arguement went from "dedicated servers are gonna cost us money and ruin the game" to "free servers without making us pay will kill the game".
#########?        I´m not high. What about you?    Do you think Behavior has infinite money? That they can afford to spend a ton of money every month, so YOU can get your free dedicated servers? Because those costs would kill the game in the long run, if they don´t change the way they finance their game.
I asked if you were high bc you contradicted yourself. You're so into arguing here you havent realized I'm not arguing with you. Just keep pointing out your salty flip flopping. Where did i contradict myself? Please show me Your first arguement was "how we gonna pay for servers. Theyll charge us and it will end the game" Then it changed to "if they give us servers for free and dont charge us for them, it will kill the game" So is it free servers or charged servers that will kill the game? Or maybe just your incessant need to argue with people on a forum for a game you supposedly dont play.
What their saying is.... if the devs dont charge the player base for the servers the devs wont be able to afford em therefore the game will die.... I believe if the devs do charge us for the servers they need to give us something worthwhile to make up for it because yes otherwise the game will die..        You have tons of games out there that are objectively better than DBD with dedicated servers and all, most of the new MMORPGs cannot even think about releasing with paid subscription models anymore and yet there's people here that think a game like DBD would have a subscription model, ROFL.    MOST consumers do not want to put up with a subscription model and DBD certainly is not worth a subscription fee, you're delusional to think otherwise.        You see, the problem is, that DbD was designed to be p2p. It was never intended to have dedicated servers. The devs never wanted to implement them, because it's a ton of work to rewrite the code. Apart from the server costs, infrastructure, etc.    Why do they implement them now? Maybe because there were always at least 3 threads asking for dedicated servers. 
Our community asked for it. On countless occasions. Devs finally gave in. But haven't specified any details.
Implementing a monthly cost isn't what we signed up for, when we bought the game.  But it's what we've asked for, by asking the devs to spend a ton of money to change an existing game.    Do you think the devs spend so much time and money, and even risk their whole business, just because they want to gift something to the community?
Like... really? Again you're delusional. If the devs all of the sudden basically said: No you can't play our game unless you pay monthly then they can expect either mass refunds even after the fact or even a class action lawsuit. It doesn't matter what maybe 1000 people out of 30.000 want when it comes to this.
And we are agreeing with what you're saying... if the devs don't make it worthwhile............... like DBD will have to be a brand new game... itll have to offer soo much to make monthly payment status.... we're talking WoW a game that requires payment but offers a lot...... the devs have stated multiple times "we weren't expecting DBD to grow as much as it has" so we know that bhvr was not prepared for this type of upgrade 



This doesn't change the fact that people bought the game and the contract to the game basically didn't include a monthly payment. No matter how much they change the game (talking in a realistic sense here), they cannot change to monthly sub.



So terms of use can't change after the property of the company changed?
The guys from Kerbal Space Program would like to have a chat with you. There even was a useless ######### storm, after they changed the contract.

So did Kerbal introduce a monthly fee that was required to play over a product you previously paid for that had no monthly fee? no? gtfo then.

Also a small forum minority asking for dedicated servers=/=DBD playerbase willing to pay even 10 cents per month for dedicated servers.

So the devs spend a ton of money to completely change a game from p2p to dedicated servers. On a perfectly working game. Because a minority of our player base asks for this ridiculous change.

Makes totally sense!
/not
Actually it does, again maybe play some games in the first place, dedicated servers do not warrant a monthly fee, only friggin games like WoW do it and their servers are MASSIVE.

Oh yeah, the companies that support free dedicated servers are EA, Activision Blizzard and Ubisoft.

See the problem?
Small hint: size

Tsulan · December 2018

@MhhBurgers you know what? I said it's either a monthly fee or they find a different way to monetize this. Now after looking at the horrendous prices of the legions skins, it's probably financed through ultra expensive skins.
Woopidoo!
-.-

MhhBurgers · December 2018

@Tsulan said:
@MhhBurgers you know what? I said it's either a monthly fee or they find a different way to monetize this. Now after looking at the horrendous prices of the legions skins, it's probably financed through ultra expensive skins.
Woopidoo!
-.-

I don't care if they make the skins more expensive, I don't buy them anyways. Maybe f2p will even become an option once dedicated servers are out since they make cheating much harder.

Tsulan · December 2018

MhhBurgers said:

@Tsulan said:
@MhhBurgers you know what? I said it's either a monthly fee or they find a different way to monetize this. Now after looking at the horrendous prices of the legions skins, it's probably financed through ultra expensive skins.
Woopidoo!
-.-

I don't care if they make the skins more expensive, I don't buy them anyways. Maybe f2p will even become an option once dedicated servers are out since they make cheating much harder.

No, please.
No free 2 play. That would ruin the game for everyone. Cheaters left and right, People holding the game hostage, etc

Carpemortum · December 2018

Tsulan said:

MhhBurgers said:

@Tsulan said:
@MhhBurgers you know what? I said it's either a monthly fee or they find a different way to monetize this. Now after looking at the horrendous prices of the legions skins, it's probably financed through ultra expensive skins.
Woopidoo!
-.-

I don't care if they make the skins more expensive, I don't buy them anyways. Maybe f2p will even become an option once dedicated servers are out since they make cheating much harder.

No, please.
No free 2 play. That would ruin the game for everyone. Cheaters left and right, People holding the game hostage, etc

First off, that happens anyway. I say give us more players.

Second, you dont play right? So you're not losing time to hostages games.

Tsulan · December 2018

Carpemortum said:

Tsulan said:

MhhBurgers said:

@Tsulan said:
@MhhBurgers you know what? I said it's either a monthly fee or they find a different way to monetize this. Now after looking at the horrendous prices of the legions skins, it's probably financed through ultra expensive skins.
Woopidoo!
-.-

I don't care if they make the skins more expensive, I don't buy them anyways. Maybe f2p will even become an option once dedicated servers are out since they make cheating much harder.

No, please.
No free 2 play. That would ruin the game for everyone. Cheaters left and right, People holding the game hostage, etc

First off, that happens anyway. I say give us more players.

Second, you dont play right? So you're not losing time to hostages games.

And another player who thinks holding the game hostage isn't a problem.
Jesus christ, this community is really getting to a new low.

purebalance · December 2018

@Tsulan said:
I'm surprised no one has thought about monthly fees.
Behavior isn't Ubisoft.
They can't afford to pump out servers en masse without charging for them.

If you play on console you already need a monthly fee to each respective company to play. They'd lose consoles if they had to pay 2 fees.

Tsulan · December 2018

purebalance said:

@Tsulan said:
I'm surprised no one has thought about monthly fees.
Behavior isn't Ubisoft.
They can't afford to pump out servers en masse without charging for them.

If you play on console you already need a monthly fee to each respective company to play. They'd lose consoles if they had to pay 2 fees.

Yeah, they probably give us some ultra expensive skins. To finance the servers.

Bravo0413 · December 2018

Tsulan said:

@MhhBurgers you know what? I said it's either a monthly fee or they find a different way to monetize this. Now after looking at the horrendous prices of the legions skins, it's probably financed through ultra expensive skins.
Woopidoo!
-.-

Is there any other way to get Joe and Susie?..... if not itll cost 28$ total.... DLC, joe and susie which I could understand if there was more too it! Like.... wayy more... we're talking 30$ to have the whole crew together.

Tsulan · December 2018

Bravo0413 said:

Tsulan said:

@MhhBurgers you know what? I said it's either a monthly fee or they find a different way to monetize this. Now after looking at the horrendous prices of the legions skins, it's probably financed through ultra expensive skins.
Woopidoo!
-.-

Is there any other way to get Joe and Susie?..... if not itll cost 28$ total.... DLC, joe and susie which I could understand if there was more too it! Like.... wayy more... we're talking 30$ to have the whole crew together.

I'm not at home, so I can't check if they're available for shards.

MhhBurgers · December 2018

@Tsulan said:
MhhBurgers said:

@Tsulan said:

@MhhBurgers you know what? I said it's either a monthly fee or they find a different way to monetize this. Now after looking at the horrendous prices of the legions skins, it's probably financed through ultra expensive skins.

Woopidoo!

-.-

I don't care if they make the skins more expensive, I don't buy them anyways. Maybe f2p will even become an option once dedicated servers are out since they make cheating much harder.

No, please.
No free 2 play. That would ruin the game for everyone. Cheaters left and right, People holding the game hostage, etc

Out of probably the last 100 games I never saw somebody take the game hostage (rank1 tho)

Tsulan · December 2018

MhhBurgers said:

@Tsulan said:
MhhBurgers said:

@Tsulan said:

@MhhBurgers you know what? I said it's either a monthly fee or they find a different way to monetize this. Now after looking at the horrendous prices of the legions skins, it's probably financed through ultra expensive skins.

Woopidoo!

-.-

I don't care if they make the skins more expensive, I don't buy them anyways. Maybe f2p will even become an option once dedicated servers are out since they make cheating much harder.

No, please.
No free 2 play. That would ruin the game for everyone. Cheaters left and right, People holding the game hostage, etc

Out of probably the last 100 games I never saw somebody take the game hostage (rank1 tho)

Free 2 play would change that.
People would create free accounts to troll.
They wouldn't fear a ban.

Carpemortum · December 2018

Tsulan said:

MhhBurgers said:

@Tsulan said:
MhhBurgers said:

@Tsulan said:

@MhhBurgers you know what? I said it's either a monthly fee or they find a different way to monetize this. Now after looking at the horrendous prices of the legions skins, it's probably financed through ultra expensive skins.

Woopidoo!

-.-

I don't care if they make the skins more expensive, I don't buy them anyways. Maybe f2p will even become an option once dedicated servers are out since they make cheating much harder.

No, please.
No free 2 play. That would ruin the game for everyone. Cheaters left and right, People holding the game hostage, etc

Out of probably the last 100 games I never saw somebody take the game hostage (rank1 tho)

Free 2 play would change that.
People would create free accounts to troll.
They wouldn't fear a ban.

You can already do that on consoles. Second account accesses all content on hard drive. Next arguement? F2p wouldnt inherently make it worse. Just like dedicated servers wont.

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