Truth on nurse.
We’ve all seen the countless threads on “nurse is so broken and overpowered”.
Truth is, she’s not. While yes, going against somebody who has mastered nurse is quite annoying, I believe it is her addons that need a change, particularly the range addons and the recharge addons.
I see a lot of comments claiming anybody can hop on nurse and dominate, and that simply isn’t true. I’ve put a lot of hours into killer, and my first couple days of trying nurse were miserable. A nurse that doesn’t know how to play nurse is by far the EASIEST killer to bully, and that’s a fact. People play nurse for the first time, and don’t play her again, leaving the remainder of the nurse population as the players that have put the time in to get good at her power. Combine this with dual range or recharge and it’s nasty. This is why I believe the addons are the issue, not the base kit.
Nurse among all killers, has the lowest kill rate for a reason. Just something to think about. My honest opinion, welcome to debate! (Also many survivors have no idea how to counter nurse)
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It took me 2 days to get used to blinking and I was already completely dominating teams. Nurse needs several nerfs or a rework.
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The range addons allow the tp to be faster, even if they correspond to a distance less than 20m. I understand that players want to discuss this detail, I pretty much agree with them. 😀
Beyond these debates that all look the same, I'm sure it would be really interesting, and to go further, to discuss topics like: "The best methods to fake a nurse" or "The 10 best methods to make a nurse completely crazy" 😀
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Nurse is very hard and very fair, if she were nerfed, then make her normal movement speed and with her usual power, but after each down, she gets 30 seconds for her power to come back, simple and effective nerf that still makes her strong. For now she is too hard to play.
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If that’s true, I would love to see your gameplay, but I have doubts that you’re capable of destroying a well put together team with only 2 days as nurse. Yea, I can easily 4k a team of casual survivors who don’t know better, but the same is not for seasoned survivors.
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I agree with this, nurse without addons is a nightmare to play. If they nerfed her base kit, she would be a laughable killer.
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I’ve had the most success against nurse by breaking line of sight and double backing when I hear she’s fully charged a blink. Besides that, it’s hold W and skirt the map edges. A good timed SB will also piss a nurse off 😂
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Nurse is, and has always been, fun to go against.
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There is no, and was never, such thing as 'mastering nurse', she is not a difficult killer to play, simple as that
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I have honestly only seen one Nurse that impressed me to the point where I FINALLY understood why survivors are so salty about Nurse. That being said, most of the people I have seen were very beatable. No idea how such average players are consistently going against God tier Nurse.
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the last kill rates stats were published 7 months ago a lot has changed since then also that stats counted the kill rates across all mmr brackets, if behaviour release new stats with only the high mmr bracket nurse will be top five, stop using that stats to defend nurse.
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I am a nurse main with 2k hours. She is overpowered, but a nerf will not fix her. She need a complete rework.
HOWEVER. She should not be "dealt with" until the power of SWF is dealt with:
Stuff like this should not be allowed. We need to buff solo queue so that they have more information. SWF like this get dozens of perks for free and many other abilities that aren't perks. Then we need to buff killers as a whole.
We need to close the gap between solo and SWF or flat out remove SWF or make them a different queue that killers can queue into and get bigger rewards. Maybe make it a new game mode entirely that has different balance than solo queue by having different numbers for things/objectives.
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She is the most difficult killer to play, and that’s just a fact. Nobody can hop on nurse and beat a good team of survivors.
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Overpowered perhaps because YOU put the hours in, as I said in the OP. This case can be made about literally any killer. Look at D3ad Plays for example, one of the nastiest killers on the game. He 4k’s the sweatiest SWFs with a trapper, because he’s put the hours in to learn the game to the extent he has. Same with nurse. You HAVE to put time in to learn her to an extent to compete with skilled survivors. And again, a nurse with no addons is quite easy to counter.
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Doesn't matter how many hours it is. If something is overpowered, it's overpowered. It doesn't matter how rare or difficult it is.
Let's say there was a killer offering that did the following:
- All survivors are permanently exposed
- The aura of all survivors is permanently revealed to the killer
- The killer's movement speed is increased to 300%
- The killer can mori every survivor without hooking them.
Now let's make the rarity of that offering be .1%. This means you only see if one out of every thousand games. Is that balanced because it is rare?
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It’s not that simple lol. Please explain how nurse’s base kit is overpowered.
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Its about the chase to gen speed ratio a normal killer typically can end a chase (when the survivor plays well) in about 50-60 seconds (which is too slow TBH) But nurse can do it in about 15 seconds (which is too fast)
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Unless the nurse is running double range / double recharge, I never get downed within 15 seconds unless I make a dumb mistake.
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What on earth are the survivors doing if they're going down in under 20-30 seconds? I know it happens, but that's so hard to do unless you're simply not running away from the killer at the start of the chase.
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You haven't played against a nurse with 1k hours have you? A good nurse will land a hit every time she blinks in a chase.
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Nurse need some nerf not just add ons she is op and everyone knows it ,people are dc not for no reason.Every second game is nurse and it's annoying .Killers who plays with her are scared of nerf so they say it's hard to play with her and stuff like that,i started to play as nurse and second day i was good and it's not hard just need some time like one week and every match is win.
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Would you mind explaining exactly how a Killer that is able to ignore literally every chase related mechanic in the entire game while also being able to cross the entire map in a matter of seconds is not overpowered?
She literally has the best chase ability in the entire game and one of the best map pressure tools at her disposal.
Your entire argument essentially boils down to "if the Nurse is bad she loses" - well here's a newsflash for you, that applies to literally every character in this game. There is a reason why we don't bring absolute noobs up in balance debates, it's because they make everything look underpowered. Heck give a completely new player old Dead Hard and they will do significantly worse with it than they would with any other Exhaustion Perk - but that didn't make old Dead Hard balanced or fair, that just shows that this person had no idea how to use it properly.
If you want to discuss balance, look at the better players and see how they do, because they know the limitations of their characters and how to play them well and will show you just what each character is capable of.
Also, not only are the killrates you're bringing up heavily outdated now, but Nurse is living prove that you should never rely on them to make an argument regarding balance.
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Keyword, “a nurse with 1k hours”. I EXPECT a killer with 1k hours to be proficient. The point is that nurses BASEKIT is not overpowered, because your average killer cannot perform well with it.
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I wish people understand that Nurse is both not difficult to play, and also not fun to go against regardless.
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the base kit on nurse travels from one side of the map to other slightly slower than your basic 115 killer, you can go watch the video on it. Sure, she ignores chase mechanics, but she is also the only killer SLOWER than the survivor. You hold W from the moment the nurse targets you and it becomes problematic for them. They finally hit you, and have to do it all over again. You use deadhard, have to do it all over again. This adds up to a large amount of time. Again, HER ADDONS ARE THE ISSUE.
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Even if she was hard to play (which isn't the case) it wouldn't justify her ridiculous power.
She is broken and needs a complete rework of her power.
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That’s your opinion, and you’re entitled to it. But I think many of these opinions come from people that haven’t played nurse, or played nurse against survivors that are skilled.
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please tell me a rework for her? I see that all the time but nobody ever gives one.
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Because to beat even an average nurse using stupidly strong builds such as exposed perks, multiple strong slowdowns and strong add-ons, you need a very coordinated team. This is no where close to anything I'd define as balanced
No she is not, don't call 'facts' your opinions, especially when they're far from the truth
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I don't agree.
The fun of playing the nurse is that she has a unique movement pattern that is different from all the other killers. To take that away would be an aberration 🤔
When you say "she is too hard to play", do you mean you have trouble controlling her ? To play with her, as a killer ?
A 2-day-old nurse can indeed crush a team 😀
A potato team, yes 😂
Or a team of beets 🤣
But not a team of organized survivors, acting with intelligence, cohesion, speed and knowing the game perfectly 😏
I'm sorry, what did you mean bye "A good timed SB" ? 😃
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Let’s see your nurse gameplay then.
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A well timed sprint burst.
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Ok so do you want a game where I 4k so I can easily prove my point? Or will you call the survivors of that game 'bad' because I 4ked with a normal build?
God what a dumb argument asking for gameplay videos
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Your map pressure point might work if maps didnt have all these pesky structures on them that force every Killer (except Nurse) to path around / through them, wasting a bunch of extra time in the process. Nurse just blinks through and thats that.
As for the movementspeed, you understand that Nurses will never actually just walk after you, right? The whole point of her moving at 96.25% movementspeed (which is only very slightly slower than a Survivor, so even if she screws up her initial blinks and waits for the recharge she won't lose a whole lot of distance on you) is to force Nurses to use said power in chases. It's just a skillfloor designed to force the Nurse player to at least be somewhat decent at what they are doing to be succesfull, this aspect barely ever comes into play against skilled Nurses.
The on hit sprintburst you get is nowhere near enough to get you far enough out of range to not just get hit quickly after, Dead Hard got changed and shift + W only works when you book it when you're somewhere at the edge of her TR, at which rate you're probaply never gonna get anything done ingame.
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No reason to be a dickhead. I clearly posted its my opinion and I’m open to debate. I simply asked to see your gameplay, not as an arguement. everybody’s go-to is “nurse is so easy to play”, and she’s clearly not. We have all gotten those nurses that cannot play nurse, and the entire game is running circles around the killer.
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Yes, nurses blink through the structures, but at that point it is a 50/50 guess. Did the survivor keep holding W? Or did they double back? If the nurse guesses wrong it buys the survivors another 15-20 seconds. Obviously I know a nurse won’t walk after you, and as you said, it FORCES a nurse to use their power, and if they aren’t good at the power, they will not succeed. She is the ONLY killer that requires knowledge of the power. A blight, oni, etc can still get downs / kills by m1’ing the entire game.
As for sprintburst, if you time it with the blink that would otherwise hit you, you create massive distance.
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This is EXACTLY my point. Anybody can learn how to use her blink. Hell when I finally learned the blink I thought I was good cause I finally starting getting 4k’s. As my nurse mmr went up, I faced an actual good team and maybe got one down the entire match lmao.
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Totally agree. It took me HUNDREDS of hours to get very good with her and I will would not consider myself a god tier Nurse. Sure, I can stomp most solo lobbies and can beat your average team with not too much sweat. But the fact is most survivors are bad and when I face the rare decent ones it is far from easy.
The fact is most survivors have no clue how to play against her beyond predictably doing the same 2 jukes every time, or they just give up on first hook.
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Perfectly said, and I respect you for putting those hours in. People who dedicate the time, deserve to be good with nurse. I have been trying with her, and I get good games here and there, but I average 2k with her.
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If you've ever achieved even basic competency at any action game, no, learning how long to click and hold a button while looking towards a survivor is not difficult. Nurse is not even the most difficult killer to play in the game, much less difficult in of herself.
You're free to pretend you like dying against a killer whenever they have line of sight or whenever they simply read your aura through a wall mid chase. Most other people prefer traditional looping, where vaulting windows and dropping pallets actually matters. Stop trying to pin your opinions on others.
"Why don't people like going against Nurse guys I don't get it?"
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"Run weird and hope she doesn't just aura read you through a wall and hope for the best"
Compelling, fun gameplay.
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"Most other people prefer traditional looping, where vaulting windows and dropping pallets actually matters."
Another way of saying, "Those who are too bad to face a nurse would so much like to be able to bully her like the other killers by running to every pallet to tbag right behind..."😁
Unluckily, against the nurse, you have to raise your own level as a survivor ... but will these people be able to? 😮
The continuation in the next episode ... 😎
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Your last statement is something I can agree with, however:
This is false. Coal tower/dead dawg saloon nurse for example was expected to 4k already pre perk rework. Wreckers yard and chapel was expected 8/10 hook stages, but after the rework I've seen some comp nurse gameplay in WY and it was always a 4k. Haven't seen any chapel yet, though
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You use the first blink to see did the survivor hold W and with second get the hit. I would agree with you if nurse has 1 blinks but she has 2 and good nurse always run range add ons.
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Yes, and as I said, the addons are the issue.
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People already made basekit nurse streaks to beyond control. No, its not just her addons.
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It's impossible to discuss game balance, or simply whether or not something is just fun, with killer players, because most of them seem to have some kind of victim complex and base their entire existence around whatever spites survivors the most.
This isn't about being able to "bully" a killer, this is about a killer straight up ignoring all of the mechanics that I enjoy enough to queue up as survivor in the first place. Like, I don't even give a ######### if I survive a match. I just want to have fun in a chase. I don't enjoy matches where my options are to either not engage with the killer at all, or to lose line of sight and then "run weird" and hope that she messes up.
Y'all act like playing Nurse is like playing Grandmaster level chess, when it's probably the simplest flowchart of playing any killer.
-Do you have line of sight on the survivor? Blink to them and hit them.
-Don't have line of sight? Blink to the last corner you saw them at, then use the second blink to correct and hit them.
-Can you read their aura? Blink to them and hit them.
Then just be smart about which part of the map you chase in. You don't have to worry about map resources. You don't really need to learn how to run any tiles. You don't need to worry about the traversal time between gens.
The way to beat a good Nurse is just playing safe and having hyper efficient macro gameplay; which is both an impossibility in solo q, and boring as all hell regardless.
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It’s not just “people”, you cannot compare the competitive pro’s to your average nurse player. An average nurse player with get absolutely dogged without addons.
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20-30 second chases is pretty normal for nurse. her blinks counter hold-w and pretty much all nurses use double recovery or range+recovery. its blink-blink hit, blink blink-hit. its like fastest chases you can do in the entire game minus instant downs.
for normal killers, they have to walk for 20 seconds to get into the chase, hit the survivor, wipe their weapon, watch survivor make 20 distance for free, walk another 20 seconds, hit them, put them on a hook. all this time takes like 60 seconds. this isn't even talking about pallets and windows that all other killer have to face.
then you have people asking: "why isn't every killer as good as nurse?" omg lul.
well 15 second is exaggeration for sure. better survivor players can juke nurse's blinks especially long distance ones that are greater 15 meters. you do this by manipulating her travel time on blinks and predicting her blink locations, so not every chase is instant win in my experience when playing vs nurse.
the thing that i hate about nurse is the fact that even when you parry few nurse blinks, like 2-3 of them. you just get zoned into the corner of the map and suddenly you don't have the travel distance or ability to predict blink location anymore. so its just free hit. thankfully, dead hard is a perk in the game survivor.... so at least survivor get second chance.
problem with dh these days vs nurse is that a lot of nurses use Agitation+starstruck for instant downs or flood of rage+MYC and proxy camp hooks with it. there's also haunted ground & devour hope nurses and even noed used to be a thing on nurse. that's why a lot of player asking for her attacks to be special attacks.... which doesn't make much sense because her power is blink from point a to point b. she still lunges and does basic attack.
instant downs make it much harder to use DH vs nurse and health-states which are prime chase extenders for nurse are less valuable.
I mean they did that change for legion feral frenzy to be special and he still does normal lunges with slightly more base m/s so who knows, maybe her attack become special but it will be pretty weird. it also encourages nurses to run more gen defense perks but those perk are progressively becoming weaker, so there is that.
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What do competetive players have to do with that?
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I don't think I've ever read a reply from you that wasn't ridiculously disingenuous.
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