Playing nice doesn't get you kills
You want to be fully immersed and kill all survivors every match? Play dirty.
If you say there's no difference in results then you're wrong. Just plain wrong.
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I just want a crystal clear goal for killer. Also maybe something else for survivor since just escaping isn't it. There should be other ways you can count it as a win. Talking self sacrifice to save someone else or if you take chase for a long time and gens get done.
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2k / 2e gives the best BP ratio for all players. usually 25 - 30k for the survivors and 30k+ for the killer.
a killer snowballed a 4k early in the game gets less than 20k BP and survivors less than 10k. meanwhile survivors will have instantly a new game while the killer has to wait up to 10 minutes for a new match.
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Playing dirty just bumps up your MMR until you hit survivors who can handle it and then you're sweating all the time and your win lose ratio is what it was before you played dirty. If you're into stressful sweating all the time, go for it. That's a big no for me.
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I don't think anybody is out here asking killers to "play nice". I think the bulk of complaints are that tunneling and camping are boring tactics that require no skill and only serve to push your MMR to a point where you eventually get stomped back down to where you began.
You can 4k consistently without tunneling or camping, but that's not synonymous with playing nice.
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Correct, but the best strat for the best games is as follows:
- On the 13th of the month, at rank reset, sweat super hard to get to iridecent 1.
- Once you do that, play your games such that you hook everyone twice, and then kill your obsession. Then just slug people until you max at your bloodpoints in other categories.
- After that, let the other 3 survivors go.
- After a while your MMR tanks down because you are only getting 1 kill, and you get more chill games and get to mess around and play with memey builds.
- By the time the 13th comes around, you should be super low MMR so getting rank 1 should be easy.
- If someone DCs or kills themselves on hook so you end up with an extra kill, just immediately let the other survivors go so you at least only draw.
This is great because:
- You get more chill games you can have fun in.
- Survivors are usually happy because several of them made it out and you can play super nice.
- You usually get 30-35k bloodpoints, nearly capping out.
- Your queue times are faster.
Post edited by Reinami on4 -
I do 8 hooks 0K and I have fun.
Hardcore killers dont as their MMR goes up.
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Eh it may not get me a 4k each game but it does give me a much more fun gameplay experience and far less slurs so I'll take it
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But... Killing all the survivors is the assassin's goal, isn't it?
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Most players are doing it already, it's easy to forget that this game has 28 playable killers when most games are nurse/huntress tunneling and "proxy" camping, it's weird people have fun only when they win even if it's the lamest wins ever seen and only using cheap tactics
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Playing dirty only puts you in a higher MMR than your skills warrant. If you have to play dirty to get consistent wins (3-4ks about 40-50% of your games), it means you don't have the chase and macro game to compete at your MMR. If you feel like you should have a higher win percentage, you need to lower your expectations if you want fair and balanced gameplay.
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Yes being nice doesn't always get you a 3K, 4K and sometimes just a 1K or 0K, but it's more fun to be more active then standing by the hook all match doing nothing.
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To clairfy, face camping is only one aspect of so called “not playing nice”. I see posts and after-game chat that implies there are survivors who think slugging and downing someone multiple times in a row is also “not nice”.
Personally I don’t facecamp simply because it’s both generally an inefficient use of time and also just kind of tedious standing around for two minutes. I have zero issues with slugging for pressure or so called tunneling though.
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I prefer to play "nice" than sweating my *ss off for what
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I love what usually hidden under "dirty". Not using dirty mindgames and catch survivor in a loop, not do tricky bait, not getting all 4 survivors busy and scared. No, it is usually camping and tunneling.
Oh, I LOVE to punish these "dirty" players, when they run after me for 5 minutes straight and then complain about genrushing. I don't even have to try not to bring "dirty" killer to other teammates or save pallets, only one survivor exist for "dirty" killer. That's some skill.
I think I know what changes would be healthy to DbD: increase MMR by 100 for every camp/tunnel kill. Because it is undoubt skill and we can safely increase MMR according to that brilliant skill level. And on super high MMR teams usually show how skillful that "tactics" are.
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I got a 4k with Basement Bubba yesterday, but I said ggs in the EGC so I think I was pretty nice :)
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Just play nice-ish at the beginning, and if you're getting curb stomped, switch it up a bit and start playing dirty. At least that's how I do it, and I usually get wins this way.
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I think it depends how the survivor team is. If i have a seal team 6 swf team, I'll usually tunnel/hook camp etc because there will be one or two players who are so good at looping i struggle to land a hit on them. Chasing them is literally a waste of time and just loses me points. So i go for the weaker links to ensure i get a sacrifice or two. Be stupid not to.
If the team is struggling against me I'll spread a little wider. Cover gens and chase unhookers rather than unhookees. Makes for a more fun game and qe all get more points. Tbh if i kill 3 survivors, I'll usually let the 4th one go. U less they've been toxic and crouch spamming me. Then I'll happily send them up to the big claws in the sky lol.
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BHVR: "We don't let you see your MMR because then players would figure out how to manipulate it."
Players:
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You can 4K consistently against poor/average survs while playing "nice", but against really strong teams, you're gonna have forget the rulebook sometimes if you want your kills.
I only rarely do it, and only in dire circumstances, but tunneling (provided you can quickly catch your target) is effective at every level. And since at higher levels most survs are good loopers, it does actually take some skill. If you're actually a no/low skill killer trying to tunnel against strong survs, you will lose.
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You can definitely get kills without playing dirty. You don't need to 2 hook everyone before getting kills, just playing normally gives you a fair chance at winning. So not just camping and tunneling a survivor out of the match as soon as they are unhooked.
Problem is, tunneling and camping right now are just too effective, especially because of the much lower skill required to pull off those tactics. Tunneling will be nerfed some more in the next patch, which is great, but camping still needs some nerfs as well. Then the best way to play killer, at least in most situations, is to not use these cheap tactics. And that's exactly what this game needs right now, after killers got a bunch of baseline buffs.
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The whole concept of playing nice only seems to apply to killers. Survivors are free to do whatever they need to do to win and it's perfectly okay. But if a killer wants to play efficiently, it's "playing dirty" lmao. Other than straight up face camping, every other strategy should be considered fair game. If killers have to deal with exhaustion perks, prove thyself, COH, adrenaline, off the record, body blocking, swfs, clicking flashlights, teabagging etc and all of those things are just considered part of the game, I'm baffled as to why people insist on having a rulebook that killers must play by. Survivors do not care about the killer's fun and nor should they. And killers should not be concerned with survivors' fun either. One side's job is to kill and the other is to escape. It's like people forget that part lmao. Imagine if killer mains went around telling survivors that they shouldn't care about escaping and that getting 3ked/4ked every game is just fine as long as you played by certain rules and had fun.
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You don't make friends with salad.
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If you can't 12 hook in all your games with killers like Pig or Myers, it's just a skill issue!! Killers just got a massive buff from BHVR!! There is NEVER a justification for camping or tunneling!! - survivor mains
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Why the hell does every person who makes a post like this do it in this red-pilling tone like they just caught lightning with a kite and need to throw some hard truths at you no one's realized before?
Don't worry, dude. We know. You don't need to defend how you get your wins. It's just lame.
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Gonna clarify real quick here. Tunneling is targeting the same survivor repeatedly. It is not tunneling if you have hooked someone inbetween. It is also not tunneling if that survivor chooses to try to do anything other than getting out of there.
Not tunneling and playing nice are not synonymous.
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Imo, most of what you described on the survivor side is fine-ish. Perks are perks, and both roles have a selection of perks that make the game considerably more difficult for the other side. Taunts with flashlights and tea-bags is just like smacking someone on the hook or just standing over a slug nodding. It's acting like an ass, but it's not stopping anyone from playing the game. Body blocking is legit just like slugging is legit.
Is it annoying? Sure, but pretty much anything the one side does to hamper the other is annoying. The difference is taking away the ability for the player to do pretty much anything, which is what face camping and hard tunneling at five gens attempts to do. It'd be as if the survivors had an ability to stun the killer in the first minute of the match for 45 seconds, then 15 seconds later they could do it again, then again, and when we come out of the last stun, the gens are done and the gates are open.
Facecamping, hard tunneling, slugging all have a place in our play book, but mostly they should be reserved for endgame, when everyone has had a chance to actually do something in the match.
For what it's worth, I do agree that there is a level of hypocrisy where killers are take their foot off the gas or play nicer in certain situations, but the same rarely seems to hold true for survivors when the situation is reversed. To me though, this is minor compared to taking almost complete agency away from a player to really do anything but hang on a hook for two of the three or four minutes they get in a match.
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Play thematically is a better way to describe it.
Its a horror movie and you are the monster... act accordingly.
The best games are the thematic games.
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Don’t listen to this clown.
- I 4k most of my matches as Blight, I get 30k+ as killer while survivors will get between 0-5k (for the players tunneled) and 10-15k for the rest.
- I play late after work and have instant queue as killer
Play whatever you want, but don’t believe that playing nice will improve your gameplay experience as killer because it won’t.
Post edited by Murgleïs on1 -
please be respectful, i'm not a clown.
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No manipulation here. I just like to be nice and let survivors go :).
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9 hooks and 3 escapes makes me feel better than tunneling or securing stages i am sorry! dont forget u HAVE TO TUNNEL!! u have to have to obligated by law
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Sorry, not everyone 4ks with Freddy unlike you. You think this game is built around having to hook people one by one? M8, 1 to 2 gens fly just trying to get 1 to 2 hooks.
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