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BHVR. You think I was joking when I said Solo Queue is a troll fest ruining gameplay?
I included the video in this post.
Killers and Survivors. This is the 4th game this afternoon/evening that I see trolling behavior by the players on both sides.
EXPLANATION :
I ran a "Team Healer" build. Autodidact, which you have to build up slowly by healing a lot of people and getting skill checks. I maxed out Autodidact with 5 stacks so I was healing quickly. I was running around unhooking these clowns who were getting downed within seconds of each other. I would unhook, heal, rinse and repeat. I tried to do a gen but got chased off by Killer, and fortunately I had Windows of Opportunity so I made it tough with the pallets and looping and Artist could not hook me and peeled off and gave up to chase someone else.
Then this happened. I went to unhook this guy Chris Redfield player, and he refuses to let me heal him even though I have max Autodidact stacks and it would be really fast. Then his buddy SWF in a voice chat party (I am guessing, its obvious when you watch video), his buddy the new Resident Evil survivor woman, she is injured. I see her nearby, and go to heal her, and once again, now this guy refuses to let me heal, and the Chris Redfield guy starts following me instead of doing gens or something. So I try to heal the woman, and she's near a wall, and the Chris Redfield guy comes up behind me, and they both sandwich me in and troll me, not letting me out. They hold me hostage for 5 minutes, not playing the game. Then the Killer shows up, and they both start pointing at me when the Killer shows up, to get the killer to work with them AGAINST me, even though I've done nothing wrong and have been running around unhooking and healing everyone.
The Killer now jumps in to troll me too, and sits there and blocks me too. Finally Killer lets me out, and then I am done with this garbage and just want to leave this trollfest, so I am finally free and walk to the hook to make killer decide what to do, cause i'm tired of this crap, and kIller hooks me, and then the 2 survivor trolls start unhook spamming me so I cant die on hook. All the while the Killer stands there watching this and doesn't play the game, for some reason doesn't attack them or anything. They spam me the entire hook stage. Killer just standing there just allowing 2 SWF trolls on voice chat to troll me and hold me hostage not letting me play, and then not letting me die on hook.
To top it off, Killer then works with them to allow Chris Redfield to escape.
THIS IS SOLO QUEUE. I have multiple recordings of crap like this going on from just this evening. It's a terrible experience.
TO KILLERS - Your job is NOT to play Dungeon Master. Your job is to KILL EVERYONE. We need to fix this broken culture of letting certain people escape, working with survivors, etc. Killers kill everyone. We should all expect this, and this would remove a lot of problems with survivor trolling. If Killers STOP working with survivors, then these people wouldn't do this crap. Killer should have shown up and massacred everyone, hooks for everyone.
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Now that's some bull 💩.
As a killer if I saw this going down I would have killed Rebecca and Chris and let you get the hatch.
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Ya that sometimes happens when you prevent teammates from completing their challenges which is what im guessing happned to them all you can do is report and move on unfortunately
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No, the point of this thread is to show BHVR how absolutely crappy the Solo Queue experience is. This sort of trolling happens ALL THE TIME.
And while I'm here, I want to say a lot of SWF's are toxic. A few games ago, an SWF trolled me again and was SUPER toxic in end game chat because of course, I'm not in their SWF, I'm the Solo Q player, so their bad gameplay is always blamed on the outsider.
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I would have killed these trolls instead of you and let you out. Sorry this happened.
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But what do you expect them to do against players that behave like jerks and a-holes?
Make each solo survivor strong enough to battle the killer on their own?
Give out free DC passes?
What's the endgame here in this thread?
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Honestly, I'm yet to play with a Chris Redfield who wasn't a terrible teammate. I know some good ones exist but every Chris I've played with so far has screwed the team over in some capacity. The solo queue experience is definitely... interesting at times, but these games surely aren't the norm for you?
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I don't get paid a yearly salary to figure it out. Pay me and I'll figure it out for you. But these things can be fixed.
Here is my first suggestion :
1) Downed survivors should NOT be able to see aura of teammates. Crawl around to safe spot, wait for someone to come get you. But this aura reading is being abused by troll snitches and also Killers who want to slug and recruit survivor to help them. This helps stop the snitch problem that both Killers and Survivors are doing.
2) Add option to disable spectating for my character. I've been victim of troll SWF's far too many times by one of them being dead, and telling the other one what to do. I have a recording of a small Twitch streamer who was in an SWF, and I was solo Q matched up with them, and I saw the vod. One of the dead survivors on our team was her friend in a Discord with her, and he was telling her where to run to sandbag me over and over. "He's behind that wall, no no, go that way" etc... and she would ask "Where is claudette!" whenever the Killer was on her.
3) We need to remove the incentive for survivors to try and work with killers... so.... start punishing Killers who are breaking rules by playing Dungeon Master and trolling certain players, or favoring certain players over others. Killers job is to kill everyone. The end.
I mean, I'm not being paid a salary to figure this out, but it CAN be figured out. Many other games have fixed their issues.
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@SilentShepherd were you unhooking them in front of the killer, or were your hooks all safe unhookings? Was the killer on top of them every time you unhooked them?
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No. I did nothing wrong. Solo Queue is a toxic experience half the time. This is the point I am trying to show everyone.
You see I have max Autodidact stacks in the video right?
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perception can be a tricky thing when playing with strangers. So I was just trying to figure out if somehow they felt like you were doing something wrong and wanted to punish you for it. I guess at the point they started trolling you they just gave up on the game and wanted to mess with you. It’s unfortunate the killer didn’t realize what was really going on. He probably assumed you weren’t being a team player and joined in on it.
I’ve been trolled for playing stealthy even though I was being efficient with gens, finding Hex totems, AND saving/healing. Were you being stealthy & trying to avoid barbecue? That doesn’t make what they did justifiable but if not then yea, it was just a straight troll session.
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This artist should also take a lot of blame for that. That looked like an awful experience. I dont agree with the “We need to fix this broken culture of letting certain people escape” part but yeah im very sorry that happened to you.
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Just so that you know, the killer likely doesn't know they're a SWF, from his POV there are 2 random survivors accusing a 3rd one, so statistically they think it's probably you who are the problem, maybe they think the survivors are pointing at you because you are cheating or sabotaged the game etc. Would one of these situations be true it is also a nice move from the killer to let one person escape. So the situation is unfortunate but nothing to blame on the killer.
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If you hate solo que just join some dbd servers and play with people from there.
Otherwise, skill issue my friend. Just try to not get tilted by the trolling and maybe take a break (scroll through your phone, or close the game tab for a minute) mid-trolling if it's getting too annoying for you. The game's probably done anyway (as in if people troll obv they won't focus on winning, so it's just a matter of time).
I'm not saying what happened to you is justyfiable, but... yeah just try to not let it get to you
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2) Add option to disable spectating for my character. I've been victim of troll SWF's far too many times by one of them being dead, and telling the other one what to do. I have a recording of a small Twitch streamer who was in an SWF, and I was solo Q matched up with them, and I saw the vod. One of the dead survivors on our team was her friend in a Discord with her, and he was telling her where to run to sandbag me over and over. "He's behind that wall, no no, go that way" etc... and she would ask "Where is claudette!" whenever the Killer was on her.
This is a really good suggestion.
Why should other players get to spectate you without your consent just because they happen to be dead?
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1 and 2 are used by survivors to coordinate and help each other more than they're used to troll. You have no idea how much harder you're making it for survivors by removing these.
You're ultimately complaining about other players being dicks. There's no solution for that. Report and move on.
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Running auto is already trolling. Kinda deserved.
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Damn thats annoying. I only seen this as a survivor, but as a killer I would kill them both and let you escape.
Toxic scumbags
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Okay sorry i don't think and honestly not care how much your suggestions would help or work because there will always be jerks and they will always find a way to sabotage their teammates if they don't like how they game goes.
But just one point in your argumentation is hilarious for me:
We need to remove the incentive for survivors to try and work with killers... so.... start punishing Killers who are breaking rules by playing Dungeon Master and trolling certain players, or favoring certain players over others. Killers job is to kill everyone. The end.
You begin point 3 saying to do something with survivor and then straight go into punishing killers. And I get what you mean, by making killer less prone to working with survivor the latter are less inclined to risk even trying it. But the flow in the argumentation is just hilarious.
"We need party A to do X less, so let's punish party B for Y."
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Notice how even in soloQ the main problems come from SWF
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SWF troll usually don't need a reason to troll someone. They do it for the sake of it. Sometimes though they come up with the justification post factum in end-game chat just to add more salt to the feast, with something cliche like "you were hiding all game" (and finished 3 gens 4 unhooks and heals while doing so) or "you sandbagged us!" (without further elaboration). It's a huge mistake to look for "reasons" why SWFs do it, because this way you are trying to blame the victim here.
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Something must be done with SWF. Something must be done with the report system. Something must be done with unhook animation spam. Something must be done with being unable to hide your aura from teammates who try to lead the killer to you in end-game. Something must be done with survivor collisions. Maybe something even should be done with automatically detecting situations where the killer stands near survivors, looks at them and does not attack them, with some sever punishments for this "idle behavior" to hinder killer-survivor cooperation.
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Hey I'm doing my best okay. My best just happens to be really, really bad.
Agreed. But he has made another topic who shows he thinks Killer should be punished for winning, so I ain't surprised.
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While your experience sounded really unpleasant, and those survivors and killer should be punished for griefing you and taking the game hostage, it has nothing to do with letting certain people escape. Or killer duties in general.
Everyone plays killer with their own set of rules. Some players have basically none, and everything is fair game, and some players have these gimmicks they like to do: always going for different survivors, giving hatch, asking for boops, pretending to repair the gen, etc.
I personally think the game is at its funniest when the barrier between killer and survivor disappears, so I will absolutely join in on a SWF meme-ing together. Because it's fun.
But as killer, I personally (and I acknowledge that it's not a guideline for anyone else if they don't want it to be) hold myself responsible for how fun the game is for everyone involved. If I see survivors griefing one of their teammates, you bet I'm intervening to chase off the griefers. This is not the type of behaviour I want in my games. I want people to have fun, and being bodyblocked in a corner is not fun.
I think the game would be really boring really quickly if every killer always went for 4Ks. Some of the joys of this game are fun interactions between survivors and killers.
And I will absolutely keep letting certain people escape. If during the game I take a liking to one or more of the survivors, they're out. If not, then the last one standing is. It makes me happy giving hatch. I think it's one of the most healthy interactions in the game.
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I literally typed “it doesn’t make it justifiable” and gave an example of what happened to me, in relation to my question of whether or not he/she was playing stealthy. You just completely ignored that. Op does not need a white knight. There was no suggestion of victim blaming. I even stated in my previous post that perception can be skewed when playing with strangers- meaning they may have felt offended in some manner. I’m just asking discovery questions to see if it was indeed a straight troll, via process of elimination
YOU may not care as to why people do what they do, but I am genuinely curious. If you want to attack, name call, or insult me for “caring”/trying to figure them out… 🤷
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I feel like crows should break the collision of all survivor and killer to prevent sandbagging.
I also feel like survivors are past due for a perk that hides your aura from a survivor that is harassing you.
And in regards to swf spectators team trolling. plenty of games allow you to opt out of spectate mode for this very reason alone seems like an oversight to allow all of this to go on for so long imo.
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I can totally understand your frustration with that OP. Being sandbagged by an SWF with a killer playing along is really sh*tty.
But I don't buy your claim / implication that it's a rampant issue in soloQ. It's pretty rare to get some nutjobs trying to ruin your game without reason. It's far off from the main issues soloQ has (lack of info and overall frustration leading to mass DC / giving up).
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unless BHVR gets an actually report system nothing will change.
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Maybe since Killers cannot punish Survivors with Bubba hardcore camping they have decided to punish Survivors from inside.
And likely all Survivors that decided to play Killer are the ones camping and tunneling hard.
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how running Autodidact trolling? and running any perk trolling🙄
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What do you mean? Survivors have some of the best killer perks in the game.
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It's not trolling obv, Autodidact, when it has 5 stacks, is amazing. You heal people in a few seconds if you get a skill check.
I edited the OP with a video with blurred out names now.
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I'd rather have three teammates running AutoDidact then one running Self Care without Botany Knowledge. At least objectives will actually get done instead of hiding behind a rock for half the game.
Besides, if you run into a Wesker with Coulrophobia AutoDidact can be a huge help if you can hit the skill checks.
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Another troll game just now.
A Wesker held us hostage. He killed two survivors, and then carried the third survivor, who refused to Wiggle, allowing Wesker to roam the map trying to see my aura. This went on for 10 minutes until Wesker gave up and then tried to pick up and drop the third survivor, to have him snitch. And yes, the Adam snitched on me by using the downed aura.
Then, the Wesker finds me, via snitching Adam (third survivor), and the Wesker wants me to give him generator hits and pallet breaks, because he was running around map with Adam doing this #########. I went off to do generators while Adam and Wesker exchanged hits on generator regression. Then Wesker is done, and kills Adam, his little minion and kills me.
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I was thinking for the bodyblock/sandbagging issue (because I have definitely run into this issue myself), perhaps they could do something like make so that if you're pushing up against another player's model for ~3 seconds, it will let you clip/push through. That way you still have the collision, but it prevents a lot of the more egregious sandbagging that can happen.
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Yep, thats a good suggestion. Someone else posted that maybe if you get AFK crow (not afk but you are stuck and cant move so you will get crows), it triggers a 5 second no survivor collision
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I would have slugged them and let them bleed out.
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You can (and should) report those players to BHVR. You have video evidence, although that doesn't guarantee a response. To your intent to illuminate griefing issues within solo queue, nothing is going to change. BHVR isn't going to do a single thing about this. As someone else suggested, it may just be worth your while to find a SWF group you could play with.
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Why wont BHVR do anything?
at least Killers should stop working with survivors and just kill everyone. The more I think about it, the Killer has a lot of blame here for allowing these 2 trolls to do what they did. He should have showed up and massacred everyone and forced them to play or die.
This is why I want the Killer community to STOP playing Dungeon master and letting certain people go, working with survivor.. etc. Just kill everyone. Don't work with survivors, and kill everyone. Problem solved.
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They may suspend the players who griefed you, although that is not guaranteed.
To your question about why they won't do anything about solo queue in general... well, sometimes a thing has been broken for so long that fixing it might create more problems than leaving it as-is.
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Okay,but the fact you're starting your "solo queue is full of trolls" with "I run autodidact" is hilarious.
Yes,run the meme perk that favors the killer 99% of the time 😈 So strong
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Autodidact with 5 stacks is very strong. Idk what you're on about. It heals people really really fast.
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You're doing negative healing until you get 3 stacks and even then only 5% bonus progression + skillcheck rng means you're losing time. DBD is a very time sensitive game and the faster you do things the more likely you are to escape. Autodidact is only useful against coulrophobia doctor/wesker.
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You're totally exaggerating. Autodidact is good.
Only the first two stacks give you negative healing, and the TOTAL negative healing is -4 seconds-...... That's it. Four seconds is the TOTAL time penalty, and then the 3rd and 4th stack give you bonus healing, and the 5th stack can heal you from injured to full in 2 skill checks.
Also consider that this works for downed players too. 5 stacks skill check when picking up a downed player in the late game when the Killer tries to slug? You can pick someone up if the Killer leaves a slug for only a few seconds. Four seconds in the early game, which you can afford.... for really fast healing in the mid to late game. And You're not taking into account that It ends up being a net positive healing by end of match, by a lot.
Sacrificing 4 seconds in early game, to have really fast healing in the mid-late game is powerful. Especially in the latter game when killer has more pressure on team after someone dies. And to get these stacks, you don't have to do anything weird. Just go out of your way to heal people, so essentially you're helping the team by unhooking/healing everyone constantly.
The only problem is the RNG. Some games you have incredible RNG and you become a healing god. Other games, you don't get much use out of it. But that's high risk high reward RNG. Most of the time, it works well for me in Solo Q.
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I still believe that players should lose collision after 10-15 seconds of pushing against other players.
15 seconds is still enough for killers to take advantage of it if they are able to catch somebody ofguard but would still stop hostage situations
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To be fair that's just a swf going out of there way to troll you at that point you should just let them survive on there own if they're trolling and hope that the killer hasn't join them either which in most occasions at least from my experience doesn't happen a lot.
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Looks like you were farming them, unhook and healing while staying away of the killer heat. Also not doing any generator, so I can understand why they were mad.
And maybe that dude had resilience or was 99’.
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"Farming them" by unhooking and healing the team with safe rescues? What.
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what is it about them using autodidact? I don't get it,how the hell does it favor killers?
only people who play this game just trolls...
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They won't do anything because they just don't care man. We've been complaining about this ######### for over 6 years, they just don't give a damn.
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how you know he was not doing gens? from video we can't see that,we also can't see how Op was saving people.
either way don't give the right to do what those survivor did I hope they get banned.
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