Seems like camping/tunneling and slugging can now be reported. Does that mean it can be banned now?
I was reporting someone for some pretty awful racist and homophobic things said in chat. It's not my first time using the BHVR support website to follow up on in-game reports. I noticed they had new contact reasons that they didn't have before. Now you can select for your reason on why you're reporting - "Camping/Tunneling" and "Slugging". From my understanding I was always told that these play styles are just part of the game and are not part of reporting/banning. Are they testing this out? Are they banning people for this now or are they keeping track? Here is a screenshot I took.
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It’s probably there to taunt salty players lol.
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Hmmmmm.
This does not bode well for me. Do not tell my 'fan club' about this
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Lol this is hilarious
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Im guessing its only for the cases of tunneling people for racist/homophobic/etc reasons.
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It could also be a quick way for them to filter through stuff that isn't bannable. Oh you're reporting for camping? Yeah not looking into that. I don't imagine them making those tactics bannable without saying something. So reportable yes, bannable no.
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I think they are reportable but as you can see they will just be discarded.
That's called targeted harrassment... not tunnelling.
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I think it might just be to gain more time not having to sort through reports for camping among other report categories such as harassment or griefing. If there's a category for it, the reports for tunneling/camping/slugging won't flood the actual reportable offenses.
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Disconnecting is also on the list. Does this mean we can get survivors banned when they DC?
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No.
Everyone should seriously read this:
Cause this thread is starting to spread misinformation.
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They probably have those options so reports with those reasons are automatically sent to the trash without a human needing to read them.
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>Cause this thread is starting to spread misinformation.
It doesn't help that there are three different sets of rules: what the game lets you do, what the rules say you can do, and what the people wielding the ban-hammer will let you get away with.
I hate misinformation, too, but BHVR isn't making it easy to tell what the truth is.
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Two days ago I got reply to my report that "Slugging is not considered to be a punishable offence". Although it was not exactly on topic of my report (staff member misunderstood who am I reporting), it answers your question. Maybe it's there so they can send automatic response that it is not a reason to report?
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Make sense and probably the reason why :) If they did ban for camping/tunneling/slugging, there would be no more killers left lol
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There would still be a decent number haha ! But as much as I don't like camping and tunneling, I think if something was to be done about it, it should be through in-game measures rather than bans. Many new players camp because they don't really know any better, and it would be a bit violent for one's first approach to the game to warrant them a ban immediately, haha !
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Yea but they have a point though. If they did start banning on Tunneling, camping, etc alot of Killers would stop playing because we have been told it's a valid Strat by Mods and Devs.
There are times where Tunneling and Camping should be used but not during 5 gens left that sort of thing.
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imagine getting banned for standing still lol.
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Forgive me if this sounds ignorant or naive...
If tunneling someone for racist/homophobic/etc. reasons is considered targeted harrassment, wouldn't it then logically follow that tunneling is harrassment?
At which point, maybe BHVR should be considering doing something about it...?
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I mean you're not wrong. When a killer tunnels someone out they are purposely targeting someone to end their time playing the game short. However that's a whole other can of worms I don't want to open because people get really heated about this on both sides.
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That's true.
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Player A tunnels someone out because of their character's ethnic background, or a Pride charm, etc. and then tells them in post-game chat that those are the reasons they tunneled them out of the game.
Player B has 6 hooks, 4 gens are done, and a player hooked twice gets unhooked in front of that killer. They then proceed to tunnel that player off the hook and out of the game in order to make it a 3 v. 1 ASAP because that, at the moment, is what they feel they need to do in order to have a chance to win.
You're not seriously comparing those two examples to one another and saying that the second logically has anything about it resembling the first, are you? The first is what would be reportable and 100% should be punished by BHVR. The second would be simply playing the game optimally to win at that point in the game. No?
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You mad? Your "Player B" scenario isn't tunneling. Why do you think I would compare the two? I swear, I can't make a point in this forum without some random creating a non-equivalent scenario and getting upvoted for trying to make me sound unreasonable, when they haven't earnestly represented my opinions on the matter.
Player A hooks a survivor at 5 gens. Player A proceeds to camp and tunnel the survivor out of the game.
Player B hooks a survivor at 5 gens. Player B proceeds to camp and tunnel the survivor out of the game. At the end of the game, Player B says "nice pride charm."
What is different about these two scenarios? Player B's actions do not suddenly become harrassment because they alluded to their motive for camping and tunneling. Camping and tunneling was ALREADY harrassment. If it wasn't, the victim of Player B wouldn't feel harrassed, and they wouldn't be able to tell that "nice pride charm" was dripping with sarcasm.
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You seem to be the angry one here. As someone who goes out of their way to "play fair" as killer, and as someone who plays a LOT of SWF, has been tunneled out at 5 gens myself (and wasn't thrilled about it, but I certainly wouldn't be reporting it), I'm not angry at all.
I simply asked you for clarification about what you considered tunneling since your exact words were:
"If tunneling someone for racist/homophobic/etc. reasons is considered targeted harrassment, wouldn't it then logically follow that tunneling is harrassment?"
In the statement where you initially replied, you gave no specifics in your second "example" other than to say that it "logically follow[s] that tunneling is harassment (sic)". You're now saying in THIS reply that an unpopular game mechanic, which the developers have said it perfectly allowable (even if people like myself are NOT a fan of it when we play survivor) is allowable and not punishable (your Player A) is the same as someone targeting a person specifically over something that is about that person in general (their race, orientation, etc. -- Your Player B).
I don't like being tunneled out of a game any more than you do. But I clearly recognize that the first example of yours -- someone using an unpopular game style -- and the second example of yours -- someone being intolerant of who a person is out-of-game and targeting them in-game for it -- aren't even in the same ballpark as one another. If you don't see that, then I'll politely disagree. No need for you to get testy about it.
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nah i think, they creat to many camp, tunnel, slugg reports, and bhvr dosent want to mix the normal report with that joke reports, i think its a automaticly delet if they report it, maybe my theori
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If someone tunnels cause they are trying to win i don't think that's targeted harassment.
If someone hard tunnels (focuses on even if it's not an optimal play) the same person repeatedly over the span of several matches then it's probably targeted harassment.
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Yup this feels like the suggestion box with the shredder. Makes salty people feel better but ultimately does nothing.
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Camping and tunneling needs to be made less viable eventhough camping can be weak tactic if survivors are smart. But agains't bad survivors it's good tactic. Had game were my intention was not to camp but I had to do something quickly and left my killer to facecamp and when I started to play again I immediatelly got grap and another down quickly. I resumed to normal gameplay after that but it gave me the momentum for easy win.
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Like I said when used correctly it's ok even face camping. But not when it's at like 5 Gens or you have no reason to tunnel someone out ie the one player with CoH.
Banning Killers on those grounds WILL cause them to stop playing. If I was banned for camping and Tunneling at end game and couldn't get it reversed I would quit the game at that point because of the confirmation about it's use and when I wasn't using it as a toxic behavior.
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If you tell me that you are gay, and I offer to buy you a coffee "because you are gay," is that targeted harrassment?
I haven't expressed my opinions about the fact that you are gay, I've only decided to do a certain action because you are gay.
I would conclude that it is NOT targeted harrassment.
So what is the difference between buying someone a coffee and tunneling them?
I think we all know what the difference is, and that is my point here.
The motive of our actions can dictate the gravity of a situation, but it doesn't change whether or not said actions were problematic in the first place. If tunneling someone because they are X, Y, or Z is a problem, it is because tunneling is a problem. The fact that someone is X, Y, or Z is irrelevant for the purposes of identifying negative behaviors, as it only addresses the severity of that behavior.
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Well even survivor mains have to agree that when all gens are done what else killer is supposed to do than camp. Though sometimes if you play aggressively there is chance you can win in endgame as survivors expect you to camp. I downed many survivors carelessly trying to open exit gates.
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No, because not all tunneling is done for that reason. They'll only do something about it if there's proof that it was done for one of those reasons.
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You'd be surprised how many dosnt agree with that and expects the Killer to leave the hook at End Game....
There was one time I got a 4k on old Haddonfeild as Oni because of greedy Survivors trying to rescue during collapse they started.
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