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How can anyone enjoy themselves playing a game that is absolutely unwinnable?
Every single good play I made was faltered by a perfectly timed body block, perfectly time final gen being done into adrenaline, someone dedicating themselves to being the box person so they don't do a conspicuous action and get Off the record value.
Seriously man, this is only ever possible to beat if a killer player were to play blight and nurse with their best add ons. These guys also proceed to tell me to stop crying about it that I did good, well if I did good then how come I got zero kills and 3 hooks (I got about 9 downs btw but they were worth nothing due to body blocks, adrenaline and other perks...)
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You got beat, move on man, some matches are gonna be harder than others
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You're not going to win every game. Those players may well have difficulty with other players who are killers, and not necessarily just Nurse or Blight.
It's a case of learning from it and figuring out if there are any changes you can do. That's how I enjoyed playing powerful swf teams like that. Heck, a couple of times I even was complimented by them for giving them a run for their money! The game is about learning and improving. If someone is unwilling to learn new techniques, then there's no real point in playing it.
Maybe just see these games to experiment with. You may surprise yourself.
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As the other two here have said, you win some and you lose some. Sometimes you get outplayed, sometimes you get unlucky, sometimes your head is out of the game, and sometimes they're just way better than you.
You take your L and move into the next match
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Guess you haven't played solo survivor recently...
If I know the game is unwinnable I just try my best, eh.
I've lost many unfair games where the killer wasn't even that good and it was perfectly winnable. To me that's even worse.
Sometimes you also have a bad day and you make bad decisions, it happens. If you go on a 40 winning spree, then it's likely you might go on a 15 losing spree as well at some point. It can happen. You don't have to think too deeply about it.
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You got more bloodpoints than 3of the survivors... isn't that a win? I would count it as a win if it was a very skilled group. Seems like I always get matched with way higher level players when I'm killer or survivor so if I do my best and get good bloodpoints I win.
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Thiswas basically me this morning trying to have fun with pallet freddy lol.
Fact is, Dbd gives no dopamine hits when your teeth is being kicked into the concrete. I dunno if that can ever be addressed. All I can say is to just flow like water
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According to BHVR and a lot of survivor players, coordination on comms is totally fair and provides no unfair advantage in this game 🙄
When you play as Pinhead you’re either going to wreck or get wrecked. He’s extremely OP against solos and extremely weak against coordinated teams
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Nah bro, you just need to get good. SWF doesn't even give any advantages, solo queue would have stomped you just as hard. Just accept that SWF is broken they're only 0.000001% of your matches. We need to nerf Nurse, Blight, and Sadako's condemned too while we're at it
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Just move on, I'd bet money you got tons of 4ks before and after this match.
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Clarification: Pinhead is oppressive against people who just expect somebody else to do the Box
If all 4 solos played so inefficiently that they all dog piled the box consistently I think wed all be better off than we are now.
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Your post game chat is pretty interesting. It reminds me when Ayrun and his SWF buddy were non stop flashlight saving and dunking on Otz on The Game and they're like "wow he's doing good pressuring!" even though they were clowning on Otz the entire time. ######### is annoying. I love when they message me gg wp after getting a 0k. That annoys me
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Sometimes matchmaking goes brrrrr. It happens. High level killers get survivors that don't even manage 2 gens against them and other killers get more coordinated teams that should go against better killers. It makes us wonder why we have the system in the first place. It's all over the place on a good day.
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You don't have to win to have fun. You got a decent amount of BPs, second highest in the game, which suggests that you weren't exactly steamrolled.
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I feel like the matchmaking will never work as long as intent/mindset on each team aren't on the same page. There's no way to really determine this, and I don't have a solution for it, but we all know that cycle of "play meme builds and play for World Peace-> Get crunched -> become Satan" and each side is currently at different points of that cycle.
I don't mind dealing with sweat squads, we all gotta stay in tip top shape yknow or we'll lose our edge. I'd just prefer to save that for when I'm playing Spirit or something and not pallet Freddy.
Sucks for people who want to go all out and for the people who just wanna chill. Both players deserve to have their fun.
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I have around 2k hours by now and i really could not care less about winning or loosing. The game does not give me any incentive to win as survivor so i give the killer a free kill if we manage to get the doors open, at least most of the times, unless the dude camped people or sth unfun like that. Same goes for killer... I like getting chased or chase people but I'm not going to play in a boring way just to get a meaningless win/kill... Then again when playing killer I consider everything above 8 hooks a win, no matter how many kills i got... 8 hooks itself is a tie. But i don't feel like the amount of hooks or kills I get does sth. for me in a way that i would enjoy the game more or less.
In the end i consider it a worthwile game if the chases were fun or sth. else happened that made me enjoy the time... For example dodging wesker and making him vault a window always makes me smile, especially on maps were he drops down after the vault... Or getting a really good huntress crossmap hit. If you only enjoy yourself when you win at a game it might not be the right game for you... In most games i play i just enjoy the mechanics itself no matter the outcome... Because why else would I play it?
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Oh for sure. It's why I advocate for a ranked mode. It's the only way to even partially solve the playstyle issue in my opinion.
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I think my mindset on DBD has been corrupted.
At this point, after all my hours and everything I've seen, winning is expected. If I don't win, it feels especially ######### because I've spent all this time becoming better and I still couldn't manage it.
So, I understand how not even having a chance to win can be completely unfun.
However, as Killer, most matches are winnable. Are they winnable in fun ways? No, not really, but you can win most of your matches.
There will be matches where the MMR system ######### up and puts you with people you have zero business playing against, but that is (hopefully) rare.
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Sounds like the mindset I had when I took my first major break from the game.
Basically acknowledging that I've pretty much "mastered" the game, and the outcome of a match is no longer really a result of my own skill so much as a reflection of the game's RNG
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I've not mastered it, not even close.
There are still people better than me and that drives me absolutely insane.
(yes, i am way too competitive, i know)
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Every time I get really good survivors who know how to play vs blight I get really excited and couldn't care less about winning, though I will try my best. Then half the time they are swf who are all salty and it makes me sad and get off dbd.
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It's not really I'm someone who never plays to win but when a match is blatantly unwinnable from the start aka I can barely get like 2 hooks or my teammates die super quick it's just not fun and demoralizing
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It's indicative of a larger problem, that being the massive difference in strength between the killer and the survivors.
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..do you wish they were BMing you instead?
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28K BPs is still a well played round, more than 3 of the survivors. Try solo vs a skilled Nurse - You are lucky if you get even 10K (:
And they were nice enough to give you 400% more BPs with their BPS. You got over 100K BPs this round!
It's not like they can do anything to prevent you from playing, when they outplay you it's just because they are better. Nothing you can do about it. A loss is a loss, just move on. Luckily matches like this is not the normal.
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Depends. Am I going against a team or player that much better than me? If so than gladly, that's 1 in 100 games. Going against players to much worse than me for even one game will make me close in 1 to 2 games max.
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Didnt you get 170k bp from that game?
I would take game like that over 4k with 30k every single time.
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"Stop crying" said that 4-man Adrenaline squad. Some people just have no self-awareness.
You're playing a killer who's been nerfed unnecessarily, and whose alleged strength against bad solos puts a potential buff completely out of the question. I would just keep your expectations low so you're not as disappointed. There could have maybe been a way for you to beat that team, if you straight tunneled the whole way through, since there's no DS, but you'd have to chew through Off The Record every time and that's tough without the Original Pain. I would just think, "Well, that was unfair" and move on.
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I do capitalize on the way I play throghout the match. I do play for fun, so as long as I'm convinced that my gameplay have made others have tons of fun, I'm happy, regardless of the outcome.. Although, even I do need to satisfy myself from time to time with a few hooks.
I do enjoy some challenges, but only as much as I can handle and know a way around. For example, I wouldn't be having fun against veterans like Otzdarva, if I were to face them as a survivor.
When it comes to survivor gameplay, as long as I'm getting somewhat of a breathing room, I'm happy. Sure, I do like being helped and saved by other survivors, as that makes me feel important and somewhat valued, but it's not particularly necessary for me to enjoy the match.
Regardless, I won't be touching the game anytime soon.. I just don't feel like it, and once they remove all the Mori animations, even from perks like Rancor and Hex: Devour Hope, I'll probably leave the game completely. I do enjoy hearing survivors scream in pain after getting hooked, hit, and stuff alike, but sacrifices where the survivors simply disappears? It's gotten dull and boring, forcing or convincing me to leave the game.
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"Stop crying" said the 4-man adrenaline squad
I mean. Yeah?
The way it's framed and how he says they told him he did good, it looks like he was ranting for
a hot minute at people who were doing the opposite of BMing him. Yeah it's kinda weird how they decided to bring such a strong setup, but if they're not starting the postgame chat party, then yeah-- calm down and just play the game.
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Idk what map you were on, but those 4 strong items in a co-ordinated team with a bad map is rough for sure. But tbh this is more of an item and map problem.
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You just lost a game. Nothing overdramatic. You getting 28k BPs also means that you did not get destroyed, the game did not finish fast.
But better to complain in EGC and the Forums, eh?
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28k with 4 BPS and a pudding... I wish.
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Firstly, you can almost always make a comeback. You just need to get that 1 hit sometimes to start snowballing. Second it's not only about winning. When you know it's likely you won't win the match the best thing you can do is either chase the best survivor in the lobby and see if you can learn from them or try to go for ambitious plays that might work in the future. Most importantly, focus on having fun not the outcome of the match.
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I go next because the clear majority of the matches I get are totally winnable if I play right. But I'm sure I'm winning (3k+) the majority of my matches and I'm still somehow in wood division mmr, because that makes sense and "high mmr" isn't at most an abstract concept thanks to how the softcap works or anything~
Also what happened in end game chat before the cutoff in that pic? 🤔
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Just play nurse and blight. Every other killer has to accept getting ######### on even when they play perfectly from time to time.
When you lose playing nurse and blight you know you could have won.
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I'm interested in what you think the egc should be on a 0k. Should the killer also say nothing if they get a 4k?
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Sometimes a losing game is an opportunity to try and improve.
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It certainly shouldn't be "GG WP!!!" after you get a 0k. OP got 3 hooks in his game. How is that WP? You think that's what someone wants to hear after they lose that badly? And I never say anything to my opponents after the game ever as killer, I just move on immediately
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you sound whiny and entitled
you did not play perfectly, they obviously played better
this thread is also 3x times worse when you realize you probably stomp on solos all the time and lost one game in 2 days and came here to complain the moment it happened
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The BP you got from that... holy, I wouldn't complain at all if I got 28k X 5
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I feel like most people would like it if the people who destroyed them were gracious winners.
You may just be easily angered.
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You got beaten but you made bank - clearly that was a close game. You win some, you lose some, but it looks like what you didn't make in sacrifice, you more than made up for in other departments. All of you played well, keep your head high, you'll win the next one.
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They said, "Just stop b******", the most unsympathetic way they could have said it, so I don't have any reason to believe that they're sincere in that. You can see right through it.
Even if their intention wasn't to be toxic or anything, they're still running the strongest stuff, which means the killer couldn't do anything because Pinhead can't handle that level. He has every right to complain, because we know as of right now SWF breaks the game.
Y'all are trying to invalidate legitimate complaints, once again.
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Can he complain about game balance? Absolutely. There was a total mismatch of power here.
Does that mean he should be ranting and ranting at people who didn't incite it? Do you do that? Are they supposed to sit there and politely nod as he fills 5 different chat boxes with how terrible and hopeless and against him the game is because he.. lost?
Because.. yeah, dude. Just stop b*****. At some point you need to be told that. They're not secretly snickering and villainously tenting their fingers because they decided to un-gently tell you to chill the hell out.
I didn't wait 'till the game was over to fill 10 chat boxes telling the double range awakened starstruck Nurse who just tunneled and camped me to death at 5 gens against my Solo team how unfair and terrible and hopeless everything is and I need to play in a comp 4 man to win a game ever again. I just left.
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I mean games like that are frustrating for sure. But you clearly ran them hard because you got a lot of bloodpoints, i mean only one of the survivors beat you on points. As long as they weren't toxic, i.e. teabagging, torch clicking then it's really all just about the challenge.
The bodyblocking sounds frustrating af tbf hate that when I'm killer. But then again i also get rinsed by pinheads in most games because randoms can't deal with his mechanics. So it's hard to feel too sorry.
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"They're not secretly snickering and villainously tenting their fingers because they decided to un-gently tell you to chill the hell out"
Have you ever watched the TTV of a 4 man SWF? They trash talk the killer player no matter what like 95% of the time lol
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There weren't that many messages, not that we can prove anyway. If there were, not much has changed. They, like you, can ignore his complaints and move on. Isn't that the commonly given solution? I'm just saying it's bad advice to tell someone they're not allowed to be mad. We learned this in Spider-Man 3. And please, how often does that scenario happen to survivor? You don't have to let your complaints be known to the other players, but you're also not obligated to stay silent.
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"They, like you, can ignore his complaints and move on"
Man, you really like to say things without saying them. What do you want them to do, dude? Apologize to everyone they use them against? Take a sacred vow to not use them again? Tell everyone about the evils?
They have stuff, so they use stuff. There isn't malice or vengeance behind it, that's just what it is. It's the job of the developers to balance this stuff, and as much as I hate how ubiquitous Rivers of Blood is, i'm not gonna add every person who uses it on Steam so I can tell them how busted it is and they shouldn't use it.
And yeah. You can probably defuse someone ranting better with a soft touch. But sometimes, people really do just need to be told to calm the hell down and stop whining. I certainly have. I did a few days ago. I had a moment of weakness at this Elodie who got us all killed, and I was told to calm the hell down. And I felt properly ashamed, because I shouldn't feel validated when I have a moment of weakness.
Oh yeah, and I like the "Please, how often does that scenario happen to survivor"
I forget how these situations which might not be beneficial for survivors literally never happen to you ever period forever. Lucky.
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is it any consolation to you that you got more points than 3/4 of their team? if it went the other way and killer crushes survivors, they would all be close to or under 20k and you would be close to 40k. those high prestige levels vs a p3 killer is the unfair part imo /blame MMR.
just saw they all brought streamers too, you should be thanking them and rolling out the red carpet for their escape :D
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