If you DC against Nurse, YOU are the problem
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I agree, the other day I faced and I am not lying 4 nurses in a row, 3 were 4ks and the 4th one was actually 4e on Graden of Joy which surely helped.
The thing is the 3 matches we lost were actually super fast so it's like, just try to do something if you fail you fail and the Nurse is better than your team the match will be over pretty quick anyway, better that than waiting for the 4 minute penalty
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Nurse has no counterplay. A good nurse stomps. I don't play nurse but I can guarantee I can make you look like a bot survivor with just 1 day of training.
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Im Not a nurse player but I would play against him if he wants. Nothing easier than playing Nurse and rolling these "nurse has counters" people
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If I see a Nurse try to start slugging right at the start of the match, there is no telling what I'll do. *shrugs* depends on my mood?
And I'm real tired of coming into these Nurse posts to see folks with a Nurse avatar always saying "Nurse is fine" NO she actually isn't, but keep living in your fantasy world that echoing your lies is going to protect her from getting nerfed/changed because it IS going to happen. Cuz she is certainly NOT "fine", every other killer is fair but her. Skill ceiling should never be a reason to let something stay busted, once you get enough practice with her it becomes second nature to use her just like anything else with a learning curve. Like learning to play an instrument.
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Hey guys, I've got a question. If I say I never have any problems with Nurse because of my skill, does that make me one of the cool kids?
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No
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Someone who says that the nurse has no counterplay is either someone who has just started the game, or someone who is a hypocrite.
It's up to you...
I don't mind you playing the nurse, but I do mind you showing us how you play against her.
Or learn to become better when you play against it...
Finally ... for those who do ...
Am I wrong?
I'm still waiting for your videos where we see you playing against the nurse.
You are a liar.
Have you not heard what "those who know" have said?
The nurse is an abomination, she is too strong, there is nothing you can do against her, she is a living God, she rules the game like no other, no one has ever been able to escape her, she knows everything, she sees everything.
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could say the same for killers who DC the moment they see a map they dont like
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Nobody is going to give you videos of them losing, stop with that crap too. Just because nobody gives you videos doesn't mean s*** either.
Counterplay to Nurse: make lucky guesses the whole match
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Guesses aren’t lucky: they require you to get inside of the other person’s head. If guesses were all about luck, pros from other games wouldn’t be consistently successful. The best players are always in the running, if not winning.
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Okay? It's still a guess as opposed to ACTUAL counterplay. The way Nurse works, you basically guess rather than mind game since she defies all the physical limitations all the other killers deal with.
I honestly liked playing against Nurse before the big patch. It was a fun challenge, and I didn't even need Dead Hard to outplay her (which I think is a huge reason others are having so much trouble with her now). But to adjust so many things favorably for the Killer in general and not adjust the strongest killer in the game? She just feels gross to play against now, especially with exposed perks.
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ACTUAL counterplay is not what you’re implying. God pallets and structures actually have no gameplay or counterplay on the killer side. The killer is forced to eat through pallets, by which time a competent team has done the gens. Nurse is one of the few killers in the game that has actual mind games that give each side a chance to guess right.
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instead of DC just leave on hook plus u increase her numbers massively without getting penalty. win win scenario. i just find her completely unfun to go against, so not staying. as simple as that, overpowered killers with overpowered addons are not stuff that i enjoy going against so i wont go against them for long. is sad that just hearing the first blink demoralizes me form that match, thats how broken she is.
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Also by dc:ing you lower her kill rates. Nurse only has 52% of kill rates because so many dc from her and those stats are exluded from kill rates so in fact stats suggest that she needs a buff...
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Who had "Statistic manipulation to get BHVR's attention" for Anti-Nurse bingo on this thread?
Anyone?
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See, I know the problems with survivor imbalance, and can fully own up to those problems. And I don't see Killers as a whole as a problem, just Nurse. Deflection in full force by going straight to a Survivor problem instead of explaining how to actually counter Nurse, which none of you ever seem to be able to do.
"Here's what Survivors do outside of gen rush to beat me:" said no Nurse defender ever.
If they nerfed her and buffed all the other Killers, I wouldn't even bat an eye.
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Nah, dude.
We explain all the time. We get the same copout responses: https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/325952/tell-me-how-to-counter-a-nurse/p1
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Lol. It’s called using probability to maximize the already tiny percentage of quality game time. I don’t give a damn that 5% of the time I may be wrong and it’s a bad nurse. If it’s Nurse, Blight or Pinhead I will take my 4% immediately.
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Basically this. The first two times I run away from the nurse, then double back in her direction, 100% losing her every time. The third time I don't try any tricks and just hold W and in 75% of the cases the Nurse will fly too short.
After this I become erratic and don't know myself what I'll be doing next. This essentially turns every blink into a mind mindgame; a game that I will inevitably lose, but I'll try to waste as much time as possible. Juking can also help with making her miss, even though she guessed your reaction right.
Countering Nurse involves some luck, but even more experience just not respecting her fearsome reputation. And if you just went down in 15s? Well, just reflect and enjoy your probably 15s queue time and be off in the nest trial before the hook you died on had any chance to dry.
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Holy cow, how can you repeat the same thing over and over and not realize how wrong you are?
The things said in those threads are what people already know how to do against her. Do you think it is new players asking for nerfs to nurse? No. It is players who know how to play and have realized how busted her mechanics are. But I guess you haven't reached that level yet.
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Calm down, Peanut Gallery. When someone wants to waste their time trying to interact with you, they'll do just that.
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Nurse rounds are the only rounds where I don’t care if people DC or suicide on first hook, her rounds are rigged and boring, you can’t blame people not wanting to endure them. It definitely explains why her kill rate is low though.
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Yeah I gotta agree. She definitely needs to be gutted a bit
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1v1 is not a good metric, ever. The thing is Nurse has great 1v1 but she also has no 1v4 whatsoever. On the other end of the spectrum there are killers like Legion which have terrific 1v4 but virtually no 1v1. Nurse ending chases fast is not in and of itself a bad thing, and you grossly misunderstand game balance if you honestly think that.
I completely agree Nurse is too strong. I think at the very least her add-ons need to be nerfed into the ground and her post-blink attacks should count as special attacks instead of basic attacks, but purely going off "she can down a survivor in under 20 seconds" is a stupid outlook, especially when killers like Huntress can do the same thing in the right scenarios.
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Someone has to inform the people reading your posts how innacurate and biased the posts are.
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Feel free to highlight actual inaccuracies instead of just malding everytime.
You can do it. I believe in you. Your first 888 posts were just practice.
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Of course you don’t see other killers as a problem- there is literally nothing they can do against strong tiles. Counterplay has already been addressed: predict where she will blink, break her line of sight
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Just remove the basic attack status from the strongest/most broken power in the game, then she should still be the strongest killer in the game by far but at least not as oppressive with some builds.
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Literally everything you post about nurse. So..just click your post history. I only ever see you post about nurse, so it should be really easy to find.
Just in this thread alone, though: you providing 'counterplay' tips for nurse, knowing full well, and being told countless times in other threads that the people making these threads already do all that in their games against nurse. Do you happen to forget every time you are told?
Best chase in the game. Best mobility in the game. Best overall killer in the game. Consensus best killer for years. Acknowledged to be OP by everyone who plays the game at a high level except a few forum posters here, and unsurprisingly their profile picture is almost always the nurse.
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God this crud again? Look I will break it down easy for you. In open area try to keep them guessing on distance. Too far she goes past you too close she can't hit you. In loops break Los it's not difficult. Nurse is the truest expression of skill in the game. For those that say well go 1v1 a nurse...LISTEN HEFE. DINGUS. The game is 4v1 not 1v1. That's sure if all other survivors were not able to do anything while one is being chased I got you. But that's not the case. Your job is to buy enough time for your team to do work. If you can't than you need to practice and DC VS nurse is the opposite way to do that.
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I did. I like playing against Nurse and I like solo queue. Partially it was because certain posters accused me of lying so I recorded 75 consecutive games and posted them online and gave the link.
I had a 45.3% escape rate overall so I lost just short of 55% of the games. I think in 20% of the games we got stomped. However, none of the losses and stomping were from a Nurse. In fact, it was a 4E during the trials we faced a Nurse.
The fact that you can't effectively play against Nurse and don't like playing against Nurse doesn't mean everyone has that problem. Play Nurse for a few weeks and you'll have a much better idea of her limitations.
The link to the videos, by the way, is in my profile discussions in case you want proof I recorded both wins and losses.
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So you think nurse is fine because the nurses you faced got 0k's.
And you think you play well against good nurses when the Nurses you are actually going against haven't even learned how to play her yet.
Hmm..
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And yet the Nurses in the top 5% of MMR don't have a kill rate that would support your statement. If you don't want to learn the counterplay that's on you and a you problem.
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Oh, you mean the stats that seem to suggest Dredge is the 2nd best killer in the game? Or that Blight is barely above average? The stats that include console players who have trouble playing as killers like nurse? The stats that the devs themselves said are not to be used to support statement such as yours?
Or maybe we should nerf Wesker, a pretty well-made and balanced killer into the ground because his stats suggest he is overperforming by a lot.
Yeah..that nurse percentage means nothing.
Want to know why the nurse percentage is lower than it actual should be? Killer mmr doesn't work. The mmr system doesn't work. If you are high mmr as killer you will face the same survivors no matter what killer you play as. So someone who has put a lot of time into other killers and is really good at other killers tries nurse? Get stomped because it takes some time to learn her? That's a 0k towards her stats. And that happens a lot.
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At 5% MMR you're facing other people within 350 points maximum of your MMR. That is a huge skill range but a 1850 MMR versus a 2200 MMR doesn't mean the 1850 is bad. The 1850 is a great player. A 2200 MMR Killer could also face a 2550 MMR survivor and get stomped.
Nurse is not even close to the issue you think it is. I do face mid level Nurses because I'm a mid level survivor. If the Nurse player is better and has better RNG, the Nurse wins. If we're better we win.
People throw out this straw man argument of a 'God Nurse' that's maybe, what, less than 1% of the players? Henz and his SWF death squad aren't what BHVR should balance around and neither should balancing be done around Otzdarva. Everyone I listed is just that much better of a player than everyone else so they have a very high win rate.
Perhaps the Nurse players you lose to are just better Killers than you are at Survivor? If you want to improve your gameplay that's probably a good assumption to start with.
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Besides you still being unable to point out any inaccuracies, I'm also now not sure you know what the word best means.
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"Nurse is not even close to the issue you think it is," says the person not experiencing the issue to the person experiencing the issue.
SWF is a balance issue. Nurse is a bigger one.
In my thousands of hours in the game I have gone up against a full tourney death-squad only a handfull of times in public matches. They are not common. They are hard to set up. They don’t happen a lot. Does that mean they aren't imbalanced? No, but that issue pales in comparison to the nurse issue.
Nurse has an extreme advantage over equally skilled survivors all the way up until those death squads I mentioned, where they are about equal.
"if the Nurse player is better and has better rng, the nurse wins. If we're better, we win."
It just isn't true...nurse's mechanics allow her to perform higher than the player using her's skill level. That's what OP means. That's what nurse is. I'm baffled you think survivors are on equal footing with nurse. They aren't, apart from the situation listed above.
Like, sorry, but you're just wrong.
Just like playing SWF allows you to beat a killer higher than your skill level, Nurse allows you to do the same. It's just fact.
1) I did. Read again.
2) This guy doesn't think nurse is the best killer/best in those aspects of the game. That's all anyone needs to know about his credibility on the subject of Nurse and balance..
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There is no counterplay against a good nurse running meta perks/addons. Alf wouldn't have a 500 win streak if there was. I'm aware that you can counter average and below nurses because I do it all the time.
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The only issue you're experiencing is one you created for yourself. Nurse does not create a situation where they have an extreme advantage; it's just their counterplay isn't greatly enhanced by maps where there are virtually infinite pallets and semi infinite loops. The issue is more likely your skill versus Nurse and that you're not dealing with the counterplay.
I'm not in the top 5% of MMR for survivor and I really doubt you are because it's a statistical improbability. In any event, the stats for the top 5% of MMR do not indicate an issue and only attempts to invalidate the stats based on your personal feelings have been made.
If there is an issue where's the proof it exists outside of a group of people who are largely the exact same people making multiple anti-Nurse threads? Nurse isn't unbeatable by the highest level survivors and gets bodied quite regularly at the mid and lower levels. The top 5% MMR doesn't have an issue with Nurse so where is the problem? The top 1%? The top 0.01? No game that depends on participation should balance solely on those levels.
So, once again, other than your personal opinion, where is your proof that Nurse is a wide spread issue? Disliking a Killer simply because you don't know or don't want to learn the counterplay or the top 1% or less of players are really good with her but no other level has an issue is not a reason to nerf anything.
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It is a statistical improbability that a tournament player and someone who has been high up in multiple categories on the stats site (was #4 in hatches closed, top 20 for a long time until I couldn't play as much) is in the top 5 percent?
It is already proven that those stats mean literally nothing to nurse. Why do you keep mentioning that?
I feel like this is bizzaro world, these forums. People who don't have experience in something trying to insist to those that do that everything is/isn't fine.
There isn't a single piece of evidence that nurse is fine. What is there, though? Consistent displeasure for years about how oppressive she is, by players who are at a high level. But I guess she is fine because you 4-outted a nurse a few times.
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I'm not interested in whether they lost or not.
If they didn't lose to the nurse, they wouldn't come crying about how she's too strong.
What I am interested in is how the game went, and how skilled (or not) they are against the nurse.
Because if their team manages to fix 3 generators, and the nurse makes 3 kills, and they come to complain just because they are dead... no, sorry, but 3 generators fixed and 3 kills, I don't call that a killer OP or "too strong".
It's easy to say "the nurse is too strong, help".
But all those survivors crying ... what about their level, as a survivor?
If they want us to take them seriously, let them show us how they play against the nurse.
Or maybe they don't want to show it, because we would see that they play like potatoes and die in 2 seconds...
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People complaining about a character isn’t evidence; it’s whining. The stats however are evidence. Nurse at top 5% mmr isn’t killing more than anyone else, which means that if she is dominating , it’s probably at the like top 1%. If she is going to be balanced based on the top 1%, then the rest of the game needs to be balanced the same way. You have literally no argument other than you and others don’t like losing to her.
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My guy, I promise you, when you actually address a point instead of just throwing out buzz words because youre substance-less, I'll consider humoring you.
You just want attention, it's okay, I guess.
But fish for it with someone else 🤣
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Not so long ago, I faced a nurse with some friends, she was playing with Make your choice.
Every time one of us had the "exposed" status, he would quietly go and play a game of cards in a bush, well hidden...
From memory, she must have had value only once or twice, in the whole game, thanks to this perk.
On the other hand, the combo Agitation + Starstruck is much more dangerous, for sure.
Through this forum, many players, even nurses, have already given advice on how to play against; you can find a lot of information on the net; I think the survivors can make the effort to look a little, no?
Ah but if the players who ask for nerfs are expert survivors, let them show us how they play against the nurse, so we can judge for ourselves their incredible level...
Apart from you, no one has ever shown us anything; and even then, you sent us back to a series of videos where we had to look for the right one, only to have you explain that you were regularly killed by the same nurses, since you play in a closed circle ... which is a bit logical, in short ...
This is EXACTLY what you do when you claim that the nurse is too strong while you indicated some time ago that you had no problem to play against ... when I asked you about it, you indicated that what bothered you was to meet too many nurses, because you were evolving in the high spheres, and that you were "bored" to see so many nurses ...
This is what many people don't understand.
They don't understand that the nurse is the killer against whom the survivors will have to show the most effective team spirit, the fastest and most organized play, and the most efficient adaptability.
Players would like to be able to 1V1 the nurse in an open map as they 1V1 the Huntress in Lery...
That's exactly why I ask every person who complains about the nurse to show videos of them playing against the nurse ... but nobody dares to do it ...
So well ...
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The same stats that say Dredge and Plague are massively overperforming? Lol. Come on, you don't actually believe what you said, do you? I thought you had more sense than the nurse mains in this thread.
You're really good at just deflecting, and never actually responding to holes in what you say. If you can't even speak on the subject, just don’t respond.
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Good idea. Let's ask for more 'proof' that she is busted. The 6 years worth of content from countless streamers displaying what she can do obviously wasn't enough.
Or let's wait until that NA nurse main gets 1k kills in a row. Still need more info, yeah?
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What would be funny is if a "guess who" win system was implemented; the player who is going to start a game as a survivor would have to choose a killer; if the killer he faces afterwards is the one he chose, the amount of BP won by this survivor is doubled 😋
This could be both a small bonus that would not unbalance the game in any way, and could make the games against the nurse more friendly, or even unconsciously allow those players to learn to play against her, as they are in a more positive mindset 🤗
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If the evidence is so irrefutable, my goodness, then all those complaining here will have no objection to showing us videos of their games against the nurse.
I'm waiting.
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Awesome, if that's accurate then you're complaining about the top 1% or less of Nurses. Once again, BHVR should not balance a game that is based on participation solely on such a small subset of players. If this were a competitive sport like major league football that depends on spectators, sure. As it is, no. Video games need to balance on participation unless they're in the very few,which DbD isn't, that ended up being able to go completely competitive.
You still have not given any evidence there is anything wrong with Nurse. The stats don't show it. All you point to is cherry picked streamers while ignoring the Nurses that get beaten by Henz and other such SWFs. All you bring up for evidence is people complain on forums. People complain on forums all the time about everything.
If you want Nurse nerfed because you have a personal issue with Nurse feel free to express that. It's a feeling; this is a forum to express yourself. However, you don't have one shred of evidence to back up your statement while there are pieces of evidence that discredit your statements. If you don't find Nurse fun that's a reason to complain but also please keep in mind there are other people that enjoy Nurse, both versus and as, and their fun needs to be considered as well.
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I've been waiting for him to identify the Nurse videos in his twitch stream for several months now.
Don't hold your breath :X
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