If disconnecting from a game is bannable, so should killing yourself on the hook

purebalance

Plain and simple. They're both ragequitting and I had 3 games in a row where 2 people did it because of a camper.

Attackfrog

I may be wrong, but isn't killing yourself on the hook the same as trying to get off the hook?

Onionthing

@purebalance said:
Plain and simple. They're both ragequitting and I had 3 games in a row where 2 people did it because of a camper.

So you want people trying to get off the hook to be a bannable offense? Really?

Delfador

So basically if my finger slips (yes it does) I am gonna get banned. It is gonna be very exciting.

Also literally using game's feature is bannable offense? I hope using DS and NOED is also bannable lmao

brokedownpalace

ROFL no. 

Boss

They can't kill themselves on hooks, only the Entity can.

Onionthing

On a different note, i kinda wish getting off the hook was a skill check instead of a coin toss.

DemonDaddy

If your on the hook getting camped, aside from what little time you give the team, why stay? They played, got caught, and know its Kobe or death. I don't want to force somebody to stay if they never have a chance to earn anything. Just don't dc cause its a pathetically obvious lack of any sense of sportsmanship or maturity. There is a difference between knowing defeat and throwing a tantrum. At least a hook death shows the killer respect for closing the chase. 

Boss

@Onionthing said:
On a different note, i kinda wish getting off the hook was a skill check instead of a coin toss.

Skill Check? You mean those things that Survivors hit 99% of the time?

Onionthing

@Boss said:

@Onionthing said:
On a different note, i kinda wish getting off the hook was a skill check instead of a coin toss.

Skill Check? You mean those things that Survivors hit 99% of the time?

Its still hook / hook / dead ... They could make the window really small and make it wider for Ace like perks. Im a killer main, so i suck a survivor, I always fail my coin tosses. Feels bad man.

The_Crusader

Its a crappy thing.

On one hand you cant punish someone who decides they've had enough and leave the legal way

On the other hand, you gotta feel bad for the team when someone decides to suicide on their first hook.

Boss

@Onionthing said:

@Boss said:

@Onionthing said:
On a different note, i kinda wish getting off the hook was a skill check instead of a coin toss.

Skill Check? You mean those things that Survivors hit 99% of the time?

Its still hook / hook / dead ... They could make the window really small and make it wider for Ace like perks. Im a killer main, so i suck a survivor, I always fail my coin tosses. Feels bad man.

I just mean that the devs made a Perk separately to be able to achieve this result.
A.k.a. they don't think you should be able to get off the hook with just a Skill Check.
And i can definitely see why they think that: If i carry a DS user without dribbling, i WILL get stabbed.

Delfador

@The_Crusader said:
Its a crappy thing.

On one hand you cant punish someone who decides they've had enough and leave the legal way

On the other hand, you gotta feel bad for the team when someone decides to suicide on their first hook.

Even if you want to punish people, you simply can not know whether it was intentional or not.

Also, even if lets say we find a way to prevent it, being bad at the game is not bannable, one can always get found and downed quickly.

venom12784

You know some of the posts on here amaze me

Onionthing

@Boss said:

@Onionthing said:

@Boss said:

@Onionthing said:
On a different note, i kinda wish getting off the hook was a skill check instead of a coin toss.

Skill Check? You mean those things that Survivors hit 99% of the time?

Its still hook / hook / dead ... They could make the window really small and make it wider for Ace like perks. Im a killer main, so i suck a survivor, I always fail my coin tosses. Feels bad man.

I just mean that the devs made a Perk separately to be able to achieve this result.
A.k.a. they don't think you should be able to get off the hook with just a Skill Check.
And i can definitely see why they think that: If i carry a DS user without dribbling, i WILL get stabbed.

I honestly didn't think of it that way .. fair enough. +1 Understanding

purebalance

@Onionthing said:

@purebalance said:
Plain and simple. They're both ragequitting and I had 3 games in a row where 2 people did it because of a camper.

So you want people trying to get off the hook to be a bannable offense? Really?

They are NOT "trying to get off the hook" and you know it. They are using it to circumvent being a dc. If they were legitimately trying they would have struggled too.

purebalance

@DemonDaddy said:
If your on the hook getting camped, aside from what little time you give the team, why stay? They played, got caught, and know its Kobe or death. I don't want to force somebody to stay if they never have a chance to earn anything. Just don't dc cause its a pathetically obvious lack of any sense of sportsmanship or maturity. There is a difference between knowing defeat and throwing a tantrum. At least a hook death shows the killer respect for closing the chase. 

Killing yourself on the hook ######### your team not the killer. The sense of maturity would be to stay on the hook and let your team do gens. Instead you freed up the camping shitter to go patrol gens and repeat the process. Killing yourself on the hook is 100% the same as a dc.

purebalance

@Delfador said:
So basically if my finger slips (yes it does) I am gonna get banned. It is gonna be very exciting.

Also literally using game's feature is bannable offense? I hope using DS and NOED is also bannable lmao

lol your finger slips? Bullshit.

Delfador

@purebalance said:

@Delfador said:
So basically if my finger slips (yes it does) I am gonna get banned. It is gonna be very exciting.

Also literally using game's feature is bannable offense? I hope using DS and NOED is also bannable lmao

lol your finger slips? Bullshit.

it does, happened multiple times, happened to my friends, happened to streamers I watched.

We are humans, dear god, sorry about that.

Edit; dead god instead of dear god, rip nietzsche

Vietfox

Congrats OP, you just won the biggest LOL ever.
Edit: oh, thought you meant when playing as a killer.
When playing as survivor sucks, yeah, but nothing we can do about it. In a perfect world all survivors would struggle till the end to give enough time to the other teammates to do gens...

DemonDaddy

Not arguing that the team doesn't suffer, but how do you differentiate between trying to get off the hook and trying to die. To everyone else it just looks like you're struggling.
That's the 1st half, second half can abruptly end for so many reasons.
Side note- Don't know about you but mashing buttons is hell on controllers and most don't have cash lying around to buy another

venom12784

Dying on hook is not the same as dc. I have more respect for a survior who dies on the hook rather than DC. What about if there are 2 survivors left and 1 gen. 1 survivor is hooked other is near the hatch. Can't hooked survivor kill himself on hook so the other can take hatch.

What's next 2 people workin on one gen while going up against legion is bannable. Stepping in a hag or trapper trap is bannable. Not waking up while playing Freddy is bannable?

Onionthing

@purebalance said:

@Onionthing said:

@purebalance said:
Plain and simple. They're both ragequitting and I had 3 games in a row where 2 people did it because of a camper.

So you want people trying to get off the hook to be a bannable offense? Really?

They are NOT "trying to get off the hook" and you know it. They are using it to circumvent being a dc. If they were legitimately trying they would have struggled too.

So on top of it you want them to be bait for the killer, or struggle as long as possible when everyone is on the other side of the map? Stop being so single minded and think about the other reasons outside of your personal feeling space, as to why dying on the hook is warranted. Oh, but wait, we both know this is about YOUR game and YOUR fun, so everyone else doesn't matter.

Vampirox

Guys my finger slips too sometimes and sometimes but not always my finger slips right when a survivor is about to unhook me.

Poweas

@purebalance said:
Plain and simple. They're both ragequitting and I had 3 games in a row where 2 people did it because of a camper.

Well of course they're going to want to leave the game if they're getting camped it's waste of their time. Also if it was bannable, then me killing myself on a hook when my whole team are on second stage is bad? No they're all as good as dead I won't sit there and struggle while the killer keeps smacking me with his weapon it's annoying as hell and I'm not even toxic when I get this bm. Or if I have trashy teammates who don't unhook me before my second stage and can't even get a gen done then yes I will stop struggling. You're not smart to say that should be bannable when there are so much scenarios where u should stop struggling.

Poweas

@purebalance said:

@Delfador said:
So basically if my finger slips (yes it does) I am gonna get banned. It is gonna be very exciting.

Also literally using game's feature is bannable offense? I hope using DS and NOED is also bannable lmao

lol your finger slips? Bullshit.

Happens to everyone actually. You seem like a very new player so it probably happens to you all the time. I wonder if you get rekt by a Freddy too?

purebalance

@DemonDaddy said:
Not arguing that the team doesn't suffer, but how do you differentiate between trying to get off the hook and trying to die. To everyone else it just looks like you're struggling.
That's the 1st half, second half can abruptly end for so many reasons.
Side note- Don't know about you but mashing buttons is hell on controllers and most don't have cash lying around to buy another

You are NOT trying to get off the hook when you do that. REALLY? We're it's a 3% chance. It's meant for DIRE situations like when everyone is downed. It is 100% a rage quit action when you do it on your first hook and you're the first one hooked. It should be bannable.

purebalance

@Poweas said:

@purebalance said:

@Delfador said:
So basically if my finger slips (yes it does) I am gonna get banned. It is gonna be very exciting.

Also literally using game's feature is bannable offense? I hope using DS and NOED is also bannable lmao

lol your finger slips? Bullshit.

Happens to everyone actually. You seem like a very new player so it probably happens to you all the time. I wonder if you get rekt by a Freddy too?

Awwww you resort to personal attacks because you have nothing better to do. Sad that you have no ground to stand on so you lie and attack people.

purebalance

@Poweas said:

@purebalance said:
Plain and simple. They're both ragequitting and I had 3 games in a row where 2 people did it because of a camper.

Well of course they're going to want to leave the game if they're getting camped it's waste of their time. Also if it was bannable, then me killing myself on a hook when my whole team are on second stage is bad? No they're all as good as dead I won't sit there and struggle while the killer keeps smacking me with his weapon it's annoying as hell and I'm not even toxic when I get this bm. Or if I have trashy teammates who don't unhook me before my second stage and can't even get a gen done then yes I will stop struggling. You're not smart to say that should be bannable when there are so much scenarios where u should stop struggling.

It's no different than a DC then. Actually it says ragequitting in the report.

ShyN3ko

I love this comments here.
"And what if I accidentaly suicide on the hook?"
Dude, thats 1 button.
And maybe they should delete this button.
Because its just unnecessary.

purebalance

@ShyN3ko said:
I love this comments here.
"And what if I accidentaly suicide on the hook?"
Dude, thats 1 button.
And maybe they should delete this button.
Because its just unnecessary.

Or at least revamp it entirely. If it was a skill check between the size of a great skill check and rank 3 overcharge that would flash 3 times without penalty on your first hook, that'd be fine and it should occur at some random intervals closer to the struggle phase.

Bad/new players think there isn't a penalty or something and do it ALL the time every first hook. Bad players who don't care about their team do it and it should be considered rage quitting.

Revamping it to be something that actually takes some skill and doesn't penalize your team for "trying" and also stops the rage quitters would be a very welcome change.

Honestly the struggle phase also needs to just go. Keep the animation, but it's just another way for rage quitters to give the middle finger to your team.

purebalance

@venom12784 said:
Dying on hook is not the same as dc. I have more respect for a survior who dies on the hook rather than DC. What about if there are 2 survivors left and 1 gen. 1 survivor is hooked other is near the hatch. Can't hooked survivor kill himself on hook so the other can take hatch.

What's next 2 people workin on one gen while going up against legion is bannable. Stepping in a hag or trapper trap is bannable. Not waking up while playing Freddy is bannable?

Lol your stupid examples are nowhere near the same as killing yourself on the hook. Intentionally stepping on a trapper trap to screw your team would be the same. Running at the killer to have the hook you would be the same.

Killing yourself on the hook is 100% the same as a DC. You claimed you have no respect yet didn't seem to indicate how it was any different. People dc all the time when the killer slugs to get the person waiting for the hatch. It's exactly the same as killing yourself on the hook in order to let them have the hatch.

branchini1979

Killing yourself on a hook is normally a good indicator of a SWF member wanting to give their friend a chance of the hatch

purebalance

@branchini1979 said:
Killing yourself on a hook is normally a good indicator of a SWF member wanting to give their friend a chance of the hatch

First person downed within the match killing themselves on the hook is the same as a DC however.

branchini1979

I agree I had early game letting yourself die on hook. Does not help team but have seen people letting themselves die when they are 2nd from last survivor, as they are wanting to give last survivor chance of the hatch. 

sulaiman

First of: I have a keyboard macro to struggle, so i cannot fail that. Yet, i did in several games. Only explanation is lagspikes or something like that. You want to punish people for that?

Also, i did suicide myself this way, and i have no bad feelings. But i do it on rare occasions, and always because i got a ######### team.

You want examples? I had the perk where you can see people you unhooked, and they see you.
I was hurt and healing myself, and a fully healed survivor, to which i had that connection, lead the killer straight to me. But wait, the killer didn´t see me, so he did it again 2 additional times, till the killer switched and downed me.

Also i had teammates unhooking me right before the killer, then bodyblocking me (again, they were fully healed) to get away and i take the hit.

Tell me, why should i waste my precious time to help such people farm more points?
No, such players deserve to lose the game.

Also, i just had 2 games, where one player is dead, me and another survior try to fix the last gen, while the 3rd one starts hatchcamping with 2 other players left...and of course, he is not going for the unhook.

(i love my auraperks, and so i often know where my fellow survivors are. i saw them doing that, and not unhooking me after my first hook, while the killer wasn´t near them or me...)

Fact is, if survivors act like that toward their team, why should you be punished for not being part of said team? it basicly says don´t play outside swf.

DwightsLifeMatters

Sometimes I'm to lazy to keep pressing space over and over and if there is no hope anyway (potato mates against a really good nurse for example) I will just let go. 
If people of this community want me banned for that u can already tell by that itself how broken the community is.

DemonDaddy

purebalance said:

@DemonDaddy said:
Not arguing that the team doesn't suffer, but how do you differentiate between trying to get off the hook and trying to die. To everyone else it just looks like you're struggling.
That's the 1st half, second half can abruptly end for so many reasons.
Side note- Don't know about you but mashing buttons is hell on controllers and most don't have cash lying around to buy another

You are NOT trying to get off the hook when you do that. REALLY? We're it's a 3% chance. It's meant for DIRE situations like when everyone is downed. It is 100% a rage quit action when you do it on your first hook and you're the first one hooked. It should be bannable.

First hook, What does that matter? If you are being camped, you only get the 1. Nobody is coming cause that's the time for gen rush and its no more dangerous than an actual save attempt. At least then its not 2 teammates down and until the end you don't know if they ran a loadout that would help with the unhook attempt. Besides all that, 1 person having a bad time isn't responsible for providing you a better one, that's a courtesy not mandatory. Gg the one nice enough to give you their time and move on to the next game.

purebalance

@DemonDaddy said:
purebalance said:

@DemonDaddy said:

Not arguing that the team doesn't suffer, but how do you differentiate between trying to get off the hook and trying to die. To everyone else it just looks like you're struggling.

That's the 1st half, second half can abruptly end for so many reasons.

Side note- Don't know about you but mashing buttons is hell on controllers and most don't have cash lying around to buy another

You are NOT trying to get off the hook when you do that. REALLY? We're it's a 3% chance. It's meant for DIRE situations like when everyone is downed. It is 100% a rage quit action when you do it on your first hook and you're the first one hooked. It should be bannable.

First hook, What does that matter? If you are being camped, you only get the 1. Nobody is coming cause that's the time for gen rush and its no more dangerous than an actual save attempt. At least then its not 2 teammates down and until the end you don't know if they ran a loadout that would help with the unhook attempt. Besides all that, 1 person having a bad time isn't responsible for providing you a better one, that's a courtesy not mandatory. Gg the one nice enough to give you their time and move on to the next game.

So you're ragequitting which is against the rules. It flat out says rage quitting in the report listing. Killing yourself on the hook IS currently against the rules, they just don't enforce it.

Delfador

@purebalance said:

So you're ragequitting which is against the rules. It flat out says rage quitting in the report listing. Killing yourself on the hook IS currently against the rules, they just don't enforce it.

Killing yourself on the hook IS NOT currently against the rules. If it is, it is pretty dumb tbh.

DemonDaddy

@purebalance
1. I don't quit, just defending a persons right to not be forced into waiting around for other people's pleasure.

2.Not the same since they go through every stage needed to die and points are given for the process, whether its you or the opponent. Dc is instant and killer doesn't even waste time on the carry. Yeah it is quitting, but on the hook shows that they were at least willing to wait until the camping starts. Rage dc don't even give the chance for killers to prove they are not campers.

purebalance

@DemonDaddy said:
@purebalance
1. I don't quit, just defending a persons right to not be forced into waiting around for other people's pleasure.

2.Not the same since they go through every stage needed to die and points are given for the process, whether its you or the opponent. Dc is instant and killer doesn't even waste time on the carry. Yeah it is quitting, but on the hook shows that they were at least willing to wait until the camping starts. Rage dc don't even give the chance for killers to prove they are not campers.

@DemonDaddy said:
@purebalance
1. I don't quit, just defending a persons right to not be forced into waiting around for other people's pleasure.

2.Not the same since they go through every stage needed to die and points are given for the process, whether its you or the opponent. Dc is instant and killer doesn't even waste time on the carry. Yeah it is quitting, but on the hook shows that they were at least willing to wait until the camping starts. Rage dc don't even give the chance for killers to prove they are not campers.

It's still a rage quit which is forbidden by the rules.

fcc2014

@purebalance said:
Plain and simple. They're both ragequitting and I had 3 games in a row where 2 people did it because of a camper.

NEED LOL BUTTON BACK!!!

purebalance

@fcc2014 said:

@purebalance said:
Plain and simple. They're both ragequitting and I had 3 games in a row where 2 people did it because of a camper.

NEED LOL BUTTON BACK!!!

Not sure if agreeing or being dumb. It literally says "rage quitting" not disconnecting in the report menu.

Gorgonia

I had a game vs leatherface today. Game started, not a minute passed and I blew away his ruin totem. He dc. That’s ragequitting. I would ban or punish that.
Now, if someone is hooked and the killer is camping or if they are struggling and fail to keep going, why would they be banned?

Still, I sometimes wish they would ban some survivors. Some dc because they didn’t get to be the obsession because someone else had DS also. Others dc the second the killer downs them. Others dc when no one is camping them at the hook and you are on your way to getting them off yet they give a damn. I would punish those as well.

purebalance

@Gorgonia said:
I had a game vs leatherface today. Game started, not a minute passed and I blew away his ruin totem. He dc. That’s ragequitting. I would ban or punish that.
Now, if someone is hooked and the killer is camping or if they are struggling and fail to keep going, why would they be banned?

Still, I sometimes wish they would ban some survivors. Some dc because they didn’t get to be the obsession because someone else had DS also. Others dc the second the killer downs them. Others dc when no one is camping them at the hook and you are on your way to getting them off yet they give a damn. I would punish those as well.

You're mad the killer is there and you ended the game early. LITERALLY the definition of rage quit. It's even worse when Dying Light does it. There is no difference between a dc and killing yourself on the hook other than the killer getting 1k points.

Gorgonia

I wouldn’t say that is rage quitting. I would calling it giving up given the killer would rather camp you than let the game progress over a kill.

purebalance

@Gorgonia said:
I wouldn’t say that is rage quitting. I would calling it giving up given the killer would rather camp you than let the game progress over a kill.

Which is quitting in a tantrum.

powerbats

@fcc2014 said:

@purebalance said:
Plain and simple. They're both ragequitting and I had 3 games in a row where 2 people did it because of a camper.

NEED LOL BUTTON BACK!!!

Here, use this instead it's so much more noticeable and gives your feelings an expression.

Gorgonia

Nah, there are situations where you would be right and I would punish the survivor as well. There are other situations where it’s pointless to try and rescue someone because they are face camping and the killer chases you away a couple of meters and comes back. Of course, the situation also varies depending on how many survivors are still on and trying to get that rescue going.

purebalance

@Gorgonia said:
Nah, there are situations where you would be right and I would punish the survivor as well. There are other situations where it’s pointless to try and rescue someone because they are face camping and the killer chases you away a couple of meters and comes back. Of course, the situation also varies depending on how many survivors are still on and trying to get that rescue going.

The only time using the escape button is not essentially rage quitting is if all 4 survivors are down or hooked or you have deliverance. Maybe if you have the perk to increase your chances, but that's a trash perk anyway. Any other time you hit the escape button, it's pretty much the same as dc'ing. Killing yourself on the hook to let someone get the hatch? If you had dc'd it'd be just as wrong if the killer slugged you so why is using the hook to quit out allowed? Killing yourself vs a camper? Same thing.