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Base Kit perks for killer when?
So the survivor side has BT and Unbreakable built-in which is fair because of some killer mains but what about base kit perks for killer I find it kind of unbalanced of course their are some perks for killer I think should be base kit like blood Warden or no way out because survivors like to be toxic and brag about their escape because a killer had a bad game or because I'm sure hyperfocus will never get changed even though it completely reverses the 90 second gen nerf maybe deadlock?
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Why even have perks if you're just gonna make them basekit? You have to consider EVERY killer will get a basekit change, so basically, you have to balance around nurse, that's probably 90% of the reason why we only got small buffs for 6.1
Also balance doesn't mean killers get something if survivors get something, it means bringing soloQ up to killer level, but they ALSO have to consider SWF
... welcome to game development, lol
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just because one side receives balance changes, doesn't mean the other side needs their equal attention patch
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I forget nurse is broken and I pray that she gets reworked at some point I don't play nurse so my fault
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The only killer perk that could maybe be considered basekit for killers is shattered hope.. But I strongly disagree with any killer perk being basekit tbh..
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Please never make Blood Warden basekit.
BW is already mostly useless as it is and works the few times it does only because no one suspects it. You make it base kit and the one thing that makes it have a potential impact is gone...
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Its ironic because this post is directly influenced by Survivors getting their equal-attention patch after 6.1
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Unbreakable is not base kit. Not currently, and might not be at all, considering BHVR collected data and feedback and still has to decide whether they will follow through and implement it, or not.
Killers will get base kit perks or other buffs when they'll need it. At the moment they're plowing through low and mid mmr, their kill rates are still adequately high at top 5% too, and there's already a survivor shortage going on that makes matchmaking completely screwed.
I don't think killer base kit buffs would be a good thing right now, as we don't want worse matchmaking and killer queues the length of the Lord of the Rings.
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really? which patch?
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It's like lightborn, god forbid they never make it basekit or I'll never get value from it again, lol
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But the changes got made to uncounter unfun and unwanted gameplay... Like slugging and tunneling off of hook... So what kind of perk would counter those things on the killer side?
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Basekit BT is their response to tunneling
Basekit Unbreakable was an attempt for removing some of the frustration of slugging
They are trying to address what people find frustrating of this game. They are not survivors buffs. They are a way to balance the game!
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Survivors dont have unbreakable base kit, it is not even confirmed to be released at all.
Said that, it was stated by the devs that the game is tilting more and more to the killer side and we can also see less and less survivors playing with the almost permanent 100%bp boost on surv so i dont think they are planning to give more buffs to killers any time soon.
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I mean in the big overhaul they got Base kit:
- 2 stacks of save the best for last
- Tier 1 Brutal strength
- Survivors getting less of a speed boost after hit
- Faster bloodlust
- 10 seconds to gens
I don't think that BHVR is targetting one side or the other but trying to maximize gameplay experience for both. The finisher mori also is adding time to how quickly the survivor can pick themselves up.
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maybe shattered but otherwise hopefully never
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NGL I would love to see snuffing being replaced with breaking. Either that or having hexes work like boons where you could ignite a different dull totem if you see it at snuffing speed. But I am unsure how balanced that would be. Devour stacks would have to drop off if you replaced the totem
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Corrupt Intervention was listed as a good base kit candidate by someone else and I agree.
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all the of perks that survivor were given basekit are perks that actually give you a chance to play the game if the killer decides to make it their goal to not let you play the game. BT should have been basekit day 1. Also Survivors will probably not be getting basekit unbreak.
Tho please devs give me shadowborn basekit dear god im begging
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Every survivor main needs to hear this.
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What about Agitation base so we can actually hook people?
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I'm mainly talking about the timing of https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/kb/articles/344-developer-update-august-2022 & https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/kb/articles/352-developer-update-finishing-mori. The changes aren't completely terrible but still, its really just the timing. Killers had to wait 6 years for BHVR to finally give sweeping QoL buffs to all characters only for it to cause unnecessary protests, mass raging across social media/forums and and instant equal-attention patch just a couple of weeks later.
They said during the June Dev update that they would be taking time to analyze everything across all levels and giving players time to adjust before they make any knee-jerk reactions, yet the very next Dev update was a knee-jerk reaction to the mass outcry from Survivor-only players. I play both and respect both, I still strongly disagree with how disgusting the community acted after the huge Killer patch.
They immediately decided to 'rework' MoM as retribution for reworking DH in the previous patch which wound up being awfully powerful on the PTB because of how Endurance was stackable, only to make it irrelevant and unused again when it came live because they finally realized afterwards it was a terrible idea that needed to be nerfed immediately. The funny part is is that DH (although riskier now) provides more distance than it did before the rework but the Survivor-only echo chamber somehow convinced thousands of people that the perk is no longer good (LOL)
They sent Thanatophobia (A perk that encourages you to split pressure instead of tunneling) into the shadow realm for ALL Killers just because it provided good synergy for 2 out of the 25 Killers in the game even though the entire point of the previous update was to encourage less excessive tunneling. I would also mention how they quickly nerfed Awakened Awareness just because of its synergy on Nurse, but to be objective they also unfairly nerfed Reassurance because a few Survivors abused it to troll on the PTB
Then, the Finishing Mori PTB was released during a time where numerous game-breaking Killer bugs and basic game design flaws still existed (Some of which have been fixed now, credit to BHVR), gotta make sure the Survivors get a piece of candy whenever Killers get theirs. It didn't respond to anything from the previous two Dev updates that provided for QoL Survivor features, it instead further provided QoL by giving them an insanely early preview for a proposed system that largely benefits them more than Killers. For the record, I was a fan of the August update after 6.1 that buffed basekit BT because 5 seconds definitely wasn't long enough, but in this context I'm just focusing on the timing. Every single time Killers get a relevant patch that benefits them there is instantly multiple hotfixes that go the opposite direction to compensate Survivors
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So when are the fixes coming that result in killers who aren't nurse spirit or blight being completely unplayable at a high level?
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The basekit unbreakable isn't confirmed to go live. The basekit BT was given because bhvr was going to nerf the only good anti tunnel perk in the game for survivors. Killers need to be buffed by a case by case basis, not given basekit perks.
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Killers did not have to wait 6 years to get sweeping buffs. Most buffs that were widespread were much earlier in the games life, and then in the downtime where there wasn't much happening a bunch of strong tools for Survivors were pretty heavily nerfed. What widespread buffs were these you may ask? Damaging Gens, which when first introduced, had the same regression speed as now but could only regress at max 25%. Later on in 2017 they reduced the time it took to break pallets from 3 seconds to 2.6 seconds, and they reduced the time it takes to kick gens as well from 3 seconds to 2 seconds. Additionally they got rid of the 25% max gen regression, so now it gens could regress all the way to 0%. 2018 was also pretty good. Killer vault speeds were all standardized to be 1.7 seconds, we got quite a few perks that were buffed/reworked that are still considered strong to this day. (Sloppy Butcher, STBFL and Tinkerer comes to mind) The time to pick up, interrupt and hook Survivors was also reduced. The years that followed mainly saw heavy map changes which reduced their size and ridded them of their strong loops (Ironworks, Rotten Fields, Wretched Shop to name a few) There were quite a few Survivor nerfs as well during the time killers were getting their buffs (such as the removal of insta blinds, pallet vacuums, increased time to heal) and there were A LOT more in store for the years to come.
You say they made a "kneejerk reaction" from the outcry of 6.1.0, and the proof is the MoM rework? MoM wasn't even that strong on the PTB since it still had the same issue as it did before and still has after they reverted the nerf. It takes too much time to set up. Now they reduced the set up time but you couldn't do anything as all your hard work could go straight down the drain with the simple tap of a generator. DH does provide more distance when used correctly you're right, but it also only has 1 use now which is avoiding a hit. Before it could do that AND net you distance to reach another pallet or window. Its essentially the Survivor equivalent of the Ruin rework back in early 2020. The perk was still strong but just the thought of it getting changed is enough to get people riled up.
The Thana nerf made sense because of the increased gen times, and I too thought it was stupid at first but now it makes sense. A part of the Ruin nerf was to deactivate it after a Survivor is killed. Thana is the same way where the majority of its slowdown is gone when one person is dead. I don't really remember the perk being complained about either on the initial launch of 6.1.0
Now this is what I don't understand, what do you mean by "numerous game-breaking Killer bugs"? I can't really recall there being any. The Finishing Mori is not a buff nor a nerf to any side. Its literally meant to improve the games health. To prevent from either side from dragging the game on longer than it needs to be. Killers can no longer 4 man slug the entire team and wait for them all to bleed out. Sure basekit Unbreakable is something big, but 45 seconds is a LONG time. Even if they can pick themselves up off the ground thats still 1 Survivor who was out of the game basically for that entire time. The only thing I found stupid of that PTB was Unbreakable, no reason why it allows you to get up that fast every single time.
Another thing to address. "but in this context I'm just focusing on the tming. Every single time Killers get a relevant patch that benefits them there is instantly multiple hotfixes that go the opposite direction to compensate Survivors" the only time this was true, was with 6.1.0 and thats because it was the biggest wave of buffs any side has received in the history of DbD which also came with heavy Survivor nerfs. If you look at the other examples I gave which happened back in 2017 and 2018, there was no "Equal Survivor Attention" buffs.
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I agree and support it. Right now the only way to keep up is tunnel ^^ embrace it
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Your genuinely struggling to make it to hooks?
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On some maps it can get annoying. See Midwich
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Basekit lethal pls
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More often than is reasonable. Swamp, Midwich, RPD, but even some of the normal ones like Macmillan or Coldwind. And God forbid you lose one hook sacrificing someone. The next one's miles away. We really need to undo that patch that took lots of hooks out of the maps.
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No because killers would get to their pain resonance faster and waaaay more consistently..
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So you're telling me the killer could actually use the perk that they equiped? Outrageous.
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You - "Killers did not have to wait 6 years to get sweeping buffs. Most buffs that were widespread were much earlier in the games life, and then in the downtime where there wasn't much happening a bunch of strong tools for Survivors were pretty heavily nerfed"
Also You - "the only time this was true, was with 6.1.0 and thats because it was the biggest wave of buffs any side has received in the history of DbD which also came with heavy Survivor nerfs"
It took BHVR 6 years to have "the biggest wave of buffs any side has received in the history of DBD" and while part of that is definitely because there's simply more content, it still aids my point. People in fact had to wait 6 years for BHVR to fully commit to enhancing the Killer experience with a monumental patch mostly dedicated to them, you cannot seriously mean to compare sprinkled QoL improvements in 2016-2018 to the entirety of patch 6.1. It is (in your own words) the ONLY time in DBD that they've done something of that magnitude and guess what you also admitted? That they had to immediately release damage control because people couldn't possibly fathom Killers getting an entire patch dedicated to them in modern DBD
If these sweeping Killer buffs were as common as you claim throughout the years there wouldn't have been THAT large of an outrage over it and I'm sure even you would be willing to concede that point just like I'm willing to concede that its probably a stretch to say they ALWAYS give Survivors an equal attention hotfix
"You say they made a "kneejerk reaction" from the outcry of 6.1.0, and the proof is the MoM rework? MoM wasn't even that strong on the PTB since it still had the same issue as it did before and still has after they reverted the nerf"
I didn't mention MoM because I view it as some scary/gamebreaking OP perk, I mentioned it to point out how BHVR was so shook of the hatemongering from Survivors towards 6.1 + the DH echo chamber where people falsely claimed the perk was dead that they had to quickly and randomly save face with instant Killer nerfs AND useless changes to dead perks that nobody asked for at that particular moment. The point I tried to make with MoM is that nobody was petitioning for that above other issues but they still did it right after 6.1 because it was a cheap bone they could toss to jaded Survivors that were trying to throw a massive protest over the game
I'm more than confident if I was allowed the chance to review every year's patches that we could talk more about the specific eras individually, but you 100% have to concede that in the modern era nothing has been done for Killers to that extent until 6.1
You can't compare basic things like removing infinite loops or gen regression % in 2016/17 to changing gen speeds in 2022 because the game was in infancy back then. Without those changes the game would have literally died before it even reached its prime. While they obviously benefitted Killers the energy behind those patches is nowhere near the same of the recent patches we've had and that includes Survivors. Changes back then were to draw new players to the game whereas the main focus now is to save the players that are already here and bring back the ones they lost
For the most part, BHVR is at least trying to steer the ship around and learn from previous mistakes hence why they're focusing on trying to draw back all the players that left due to 2020-2022 Killer/SBMM. I'm sure they lost a lot of SoloQ exclusive players and that will be their next focus
"Now this is what I don't understand, what do you mean by "numerous game-breaking Killer bugs"? I can't really recall there being any."
Lets see, off the top of my head Nemesis' tentacle bug where it wasn't appearing to be out even if it was, Wesker dropping Survivors and not injuring them, colliding with pallets or windows instead of vaulting them with virulent bound, Pig's Dash sound not playing properly, Twins not being able to swap between Charlotte and Vic, and I'm gonna be honest many more including some that may not exactly be game-breaking but still relevant. There's literally so many bugs on Killers that we would legit have to do a psycho-analysis of every single one in existence which I think is extra. You get the point and there's proof available, I have no incentive to lie
One last thing:
You - "The Finishing Mori is not a buff nor a nerf to any side."
Also You - "The only thing I found stupid of that PTB was Unbreakable, no reason why it allows you to get up that fast every single time."
Please explain to me how dropping a PTB out of thin air for a concept that currently doesn't even exist in the game where UNBREAKABLE IS ALSO BASEKIT UNLIMITED does not count as a buff or nerf to anybody?????? The proposed update was not only irrelevant to everything that was happening at that specific moment in time, but it also makes high-pressure high-mobility Killers even deadlier while incentivizing them to slug to trigger the Mori cinematic AND the Mori bloodpoint bonus while also allowing one of the best Survivor perks to ever exist to be used UNLMITED. Several Killers have their entire kit designed around slugging, several Killers don't have the mobility or the M2 capablities to efficiently split pressure beyond a certain Survivor skill threshold but lets mitigate ways for them to pressure while simultaneously making the insanely mobile S/A tiers more threatening by being able to guarantee the game ends if they snowball (Which they do incredibly often. That's the entire reason they're considered S/A tier)
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Wouldn’t that like super buff Pentimento though?
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There are several perks that help with reaching hooks (Agitation, Iron Grasp, Mad Grit if you’re being blocked). As you’ve previously encouraged survivors to do, if there is an element of gameplay you find inconvenient use your perks. :)
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Here is the thing: if a perk would be attractive as basekit, like Blood Warden or No Way Out, why don't you just equip them?
Basekit perks should only be done in very special circumstances, like the tunneling of the hook meta that sadly warranted BT basekit.
But every new basekit will cement the meta, as players can then comfortably play the strongest general perks while still enjoying that sweet utility that comes with the basekit: you got your cake and you got to eat it. Profit? Well only until you will face the same meta loadout time and time again.
Only basekit I would consider were a basekit BBQ that showed the killer one survivor on hooking and gave them a speed boost to get over here so long they aren't in a chase or within a certain distance to their new target. This would deincentivise camping by giving killers a new target the speed boost M1 killers might need to convince them its worth the effort to travel there.
One of the changes of 6.1 that many players don't get was the repercussion of BBQ: every killer had it equipped for the blood point bonus and thus tried to hook everyone once, and while doing that they saw opportunities via aura reading and left the hook. Now that that's gone some killers are left without direction after a hooking and thus camp and let them come, as they no longer get rewarded for hooking everyone.
A further point could be made for a new score event +5k BP for hooking every survivor once while they are all alive. The carrot works better then the stick, ya know?
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honestly the only perk i want to be basekit is shattered hope
anything else would feel a bit broken
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Stop with the basekit nonsense. It's just a clusterfix to cover the balance problems, like always.
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I mean... making usefull functions as perks and not as basekit of survivor is way more of a bandaid fix than just making it available for everyone and balancing around it...
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You mean like basekit BT, the solo buff which buffed SWFs aswell?
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I mean tunneling is not only a problem solo q people have right? So why would you not? And in general if you decide to tunnel someone out it is pretty fair if it is made harder on you...
I like that they did something about tunneling, but I would just removed collision from the unhooked survivor and give him bt on top... So he can just run away but cannot body block... So that way you cannot abuse it to block... But then again if you really try to block at all cost with your bt you can expect to just get downed again and maybe hooked again and then you really cannot cry about that kind of tunneling.
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Shattered Hope change: the perk retains its ability to shatter Boon totems, but it also gains this one. The perk actives each time a gen is done. When activated it allows the killer to Break a totem, even dulls, thus prepping them for Pentimento. Or removing the dulls strategically from beneficial locations, so that they can't relocate.
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Now really, basekit BT was never meant to be a buff, it was given to fix a faulty mechanic in gameplay that was the killer being able to down someone the moment their feet touched the ground. And it wasnt even a normal attack as a huntress could just throw you a hatchet while you were in unhook animation and you would be downed anyway.
That was something that should have been in the game years ago, but it took such a long time for the devs to realise that survivors were forced at gunpoint to play every game with 3 perks because you couldnt unhook without BT.
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Quick note about MoM
I believe the problem with MoM back then was a trend by BHVR where they would claim to 'buff' survivor perks and then would add a restriction that would leave them worse than pre-buff.
So survivors were kind of pissed off with buffs like calm spirit, where you could cleanse totems quietly, but then they added a 30% reduction speed.
Or pharmacy, where the buff consisted in the perk only activating while injured.
And then they did it with MoM. The good part of this really difficult to use perk was that if you were able to activate it, its effect couldnt be canceled and granted you an extra health state. But then, in the same patch where they removed endurance stacking they turned Mom in an endurance perk, making even less viable than before.
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I would love basekit Corrupt! 😍 I don't think it would make that much of a difference for the survivors either, with the way new corruption works!
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I couldn’t care less about balancing, just give me basekit Shadowborn please, 87 FoV is gross and I’m sick of having to sacrifice a quarter of my build to access what every other first-person game on the planet has as an accessibility feature.
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This reminds me ofa really old and outdated post in the dbd steam discussions where a survivor made a "survivor nerf/biff list and complained tha killers got more buffs, counting bugfixes as buffs for killers. Shortly after someone made a list twice as long and triple as accurate proving survs had it way better.
Personal perceütion sure can be nisleading
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I'd rather have them look each killer as a unit and buff them accordingly than basekit perks ,,,killers like nurse ,spirit ,blight artist need no buffs ,,like at all,,
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"It took BHVR 6 years to have "the biggest wave of buffs any side has received in the history of DBD" and while part of that is definitely because there's simply more content, it still aids my point. People in fact had to wait 6 years for BHVR to fully commit to enhancing the Killer experience with a monumental patch mostly dedicated to them, you cannot seriously mean to compare sprinkled QoL improvements in 2016-2018 to the entirety of patch 6.1."
The killer experience has been improving year by year, it didn't take them 6 years to do so. Hell why only have 1 patch dedicated to improving the killer experience, when 2018 itself was pretty much an entire year dedicated to improving the killer experience. In that one year we got:
-Reduced pallet spawns by improving the spawn logic (double pallets at every loop were removed, making the average map no longer spawn 30+ pallets)
-Removal of pallet vacuums
-Increased healing time
-Exhaustion no longer recovering while running
-HEAVILY nerfing Borrowed Time, by only giving Endurance to the person being unhooked and not the savior as well
-Removal of the most oppressive nuclear option on the Survivor side, Brand New Part (half of a skill check counted as a great, hitting a good skill check would repair 5% of the generator, and a great would repair 10%. The entire toolbox would be consumed if you either let go of the gen, failed a skill check, or completed the generator. Meaning theoretically 4 gens could be repaired within 30 seconds of the game starting
-Reworked both swamps by DRASTICALLY reducing their size. No map comes even close to how big old Grim Pantry and Pale Rose were. Reason why this is such a big deal is because they were known to be the most problematic maps in the game
-Decreased how impactful fog is for better visibility on the killer side
-Decreased pick up and hook timing
-Several perk updates
-Several killer reworks
-Increased hook spawning, making their spawns more consistent
-Improved scratch marks
There are more that I know I'm forgetting, but even then these were changes that were MUCH more impactful to improving the killer experience than a 10% increase to some actions and increased gen times. Now you might be wondering what changes Survivors got during this time that benefited them? They got their max recovery increased from 85% to 95% (what it is now) and BT now gives Deep Wounds instead of its own unique timer. Meaning you wouldn't bleed out after 25 seconds after being hit, no matter if you were in a chase.
Whats unique about 6.1.0 is the amount of changes in 1 singular patch, the biggest patch prior to that was probably 2.1.0 which reworked a dozen perks while also including some of the changes mentioned above (increased healing times, exhaustion changes, pick up and hook timing) and there was an outcry at the time, but the devs had learned from their mistake back in October the year prior, where an ACTUAL kneejerk reaction was done to a MASS outcry from the Survivor player base
That outcry was the introduction of Freddy, people were review bombing the game and the DLC on Steam because of how "OP Freddy was". When it reality he was the weakest killer in the game. He lasted about 2 weeks before digging him into a bigger hole than he was in before. Best part is they almost nerfed one of his perks, Remember Me. That nerf was announced in a dev stream and was prevented because now the opposite happened. Killer players started review bombing the game, and that actually prevented the nerf to Remember Me. The devs later said in a dev stream that they'd never do such a kneejerk reaction again, and they've kept their word on that.
The MoM rework seems more like a coincidence and unfortunate timing more than anything. Not the devs attempting to throw the Surviovrs a bone.
You're right on that, modern era DbD hasn't done much to killers. But it has done lots to Survivors. I'd consider modern era DbD to be year 4 and up. In that time, several maps have been reworked and their loops. (Things like the Ironworks window, Rancid Abattoir main building, Wretched Shop main building have been heavily nerfed) hatch/keys are no where near as strong as they were before, perks like Decisive Strike and Object of Obsession have been nerfed (yes even before 6.1.0, DS was nerfed with the Trickster patch).
"You can't compare basic things like removing infinite loops or gen regression % in 2016/17 to changing gen speeds in 2022 because the game was in infancy back then. Without those changes the game would have literally died before it even reached its prime. While they obviously benefitted Killers the energy behind those patches is nowhere near the same of the recent patches we've had and that includes Survivors. Changes back then were to draw new players to the game whereas the main focus now is to save the players that are already here and bring back the ones they lost." You've got it the wrong way
Changes back then were to keep their existing players, as the game was already getting a pretty big influx of new players with how many big content creators were making videos on the game. Big names like Ohmwrecker, Markiplier and PewDiePie were making videos on the game which obviously exposed the game to A LOT of people. In fact the reason why I got DbD was because of Markiplier. Nowadays its a balance between keeping the old and getting new, which is pretty obvious with the amount of licenses the game is getting from all sorts of different franchises. (Just looking at the most recent collaborations proves this, Ringu wasn't a big deal in the west, but its definitely appreciated by the Japanese community, AoT brings in anime fans as its one of the most successful ones out there, and Resident Evil is probably one of the most recognizable names in horror.
"Please explain to me how dropping a PTB out of thin air for a concept that currently doesn't even exist in the game where UNBREAKABLE IS ALSO BASEKIT UNLIMITED does not count as a buff or nerf to anybody??????"
The concept wasn't out of thin air, it was announced during their anniversary livestream and there's a reason why it was purely on the PTB for testing. Its because they know this will be a big change and they don't want to jump the gun. Contrary to your belief, these changes are relevant. The past year and a half has been about improving the games health. Part of that is removing unhealthy parts of the game and dragging a game on for no reason by leaving 4 people to bleed out on the ground is definitely unhealthy.
The PTB definitely wasn't perfect and needs some tweaks. Again, Unbreakable was one of them. Being able to continuously pick yourself up in 22.5 seconds is just straight up bs and is just a better version of Exponential at that point.
As for why it doesn't count as a buff or nerf, I guess I worded it wrong. Its most definitely a buff for Survivors but I don't think its going to be as impactful as people are making it out to be. Very rarely is a Survivor slugged for more than 45 seconds anyway, and if they are then thats a Survivor who's been basically useless for a pretty long time. What I think the Finishing Mori does do how ever is add another layer and more depth to the game. Its mainly going to come into play when there's 2 Survivors remaining. Slug one, and you still have a good bit of time to catch the other to ultimately finish the match.
Also killers with high mobility/snowball potential will benefit from this in a lower skill bracket, experienced Survivors don't get 4 man slugged very often. And if they do get the slug (no matter the skill bracket) well the killer would of most likely won the game anyway since its pretty hard to recover from that as Survivor.
I also appreciate this back and forth btw, probably the most civil and thoughtful one I've had yet :)
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I don’t mind if they decide to make impactful decisions like basekit BT, Off the Record, Lightweight, new DH etc. but yeah it rubs me the wrong way where they start making weird buff/nerfs to perks like MoM, Iron Will, Ruin, Calm Spirit back to back just to appear to be improving the experience when in reality (at least IMO) it’s more about stuffing updates with filler so that it looks like they’re not completely going one direction or the other
it’s like they want you to use certain new perks and believe they’re catering to your side too but then those perks usually come with harsh caveats (These perks should only have one while some have 2). MoM change was such a fail IMO
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So survivors need perks just to repair gens or just to open exit gates?
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Likewise. I took my time to reply and think about each point because you used examples and thought out a response instead of just writing one sentence and saying 'wrong'
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