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Decisive strike needs a nerf now

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  • thesuicidefox
    thesuicidefox Member Posts: 8,223
    edited December 2018

    @powerbats said:

    @thesuicidefox said:
    Only the obsession should be able to use DS. For every other instance of the perk in the group increase skill check size by 10% and stun time by 0.5 seconds.

    The issue is when people try and do the achievement if you lock it out and what happens when 2 solo's want to use it for the achievement?

    But there does need to be a change for when there's multiples although it's pretty rare when I'm paying either side to see more than 1. I've always though it should be a timed stun but the killer should be immune to flashlights.during the stun time.

    Tough luck. Then they have to play another game. Oh boo hoo. You should have to equip multiple obsession perks if you want to be sure you are an obsession.

    Also the chance 2 players are going for the same achievement in the same trial is almost 0.

  • The_Crusader
    The_Crusader Member Posts: 3,688
    They've talked about nerfing DS for ages now, meanwhile we get 2 counters to BBQ instead.

    Survivor issues > killer issues?
  • Boss
    Boss Member Posts: 13,616
    edited December 2018

    @The_Crusader said:
    Survivor issues > killer issues?

    That's nothing new.
    When both sides were having sound issues, Survivors had it fixed in 3 days, Killers in 3 weeks.

  • PhantomMask20763
    PhantomMask20763 Member Posts: 5,176
    Patience is a virtue, I'm sure the devs will eventually come up with something good and satisfying, I'd rather have it be balanced and thought out than just a rushed nerf that makes it useless. It's ok Freddy I'm crying too
  • yeet
    yeet Member Posts: 1,832
    edited December 2018

    @powerbats said:

    @yeet said:

    @powerbats said:

    @yeet said:

    still not a hard counter

    Nor will there be a hard counter which you're well aware of, so you can stop trying to use that to justify your argument. There's no hard counter for a lot of stuff on both sides but I don't see you saying remove killer sided stuff.

    many of the strongest killer perks like NOED, BBQ, have hard counters

    NOED yes, BBQ no because you can't always get behind a gen, especially if it's facing the wrong way. If someone gets grabbed out of a locker or a mid vault near a hook well you're screwed.

    so no BBQ doesn't have an actual hard counter, a hard counter would be where you could hide and never be seen like behind a tree/rock/completed gen/angled gen.

    hop in a locker, i like how you just completely ignored that change lmao

  • yeet
    yeet Member Posts: 1,832

    @PhantomMask20763 said:
    Patience is a virtue, I'm sure the devs will eventually come up with something good and satisfying, I'd rather have it be balanced and thought out than just a rushed nerf that makes it useless. It's ok Freddy I'm crying too

    after 2 years of waiting my patience is wearing a bit thin

  • powerbats
    powerbats Member Posts: 7,068

    @yeet said:

    @powerbats said:

    @yeet said:

    @powerbats said:

    @yeet said:

    still not a hard counter

    Nor will there be a hard counter which you're well aware of, so you can stop trying to use that to justify your argument. There's no hard counter for a lot of stuff on both sides but I don't see you saying remove killer sided stuff.

    many of the strongest killer perks like NOED, BBQ, have hard counters

    NOED yes, BBQ no because you can't always get behind a gen, especially if it's facing the wrong way. If someone gets grabbed out of a locker or a mid vault near a hook well you're screwed.

    so no BBQ doesn't have an actual hard counter, a hard counter would be where you could hide and never be seen like behind a tree/rock/completed gen/angled gen.

    hop in a locker, i like how you just completely ignored that change lmao

    So they hop in a locker, big deal how is that any different from if they get close enough that you don't see them either? The killer that plays smart knows to check close by as well as lockers and behind rocks, trees etc.

    If it bothers you so much run Iron Maiden like so many killers are doing right now and take advantage of it since eventually survivors will stop doing it to an extent and go back to business as usual.

  • yeet
    yeet Member Posts: 1,832

    @powerbats said:

    @yeet said:

    @powerbats said:

    @yeet said:

    @powerbats said:

    @yeet said:

    still not a hard counter

    Nor will there be a hard counter which you're well aware of, so you can stop trying to use that to justify your argument. There's no hard counter for a lot of stuff on both sides but I don't see you saying remove killer sided stuff.

    many of the strongest killer perks like NOED, BBQ, have hard counters

    NOED yes, BBQ no because you can't always get behind a gen, especially if it's facing the wrong way. If someone gets grabbed out of a locker or a mid vault near a hook well you're screwed.

    so no BBQ doesn't have an actual hard counter, a hard counter would be where you could hide and never be seen like behind a tree/rock/completed gen/angled gen.

    hop in a locker, i like how you just completely ignored that change lmao

    So they hop in a locker, big deal how is that any different from if they get close enough that you don't see them either? The killer that plays smart knows to check close by as well as lockers and behind rocks, trees etc.

    If it bothers you so much run Iron Maiden like so many killers are doing right now and take advantage of it since eventually survivors will stop doing it to an extent and go back to business as usual.

    thats a reliable hard counter
    i also haven't seen anyone running iron maiden outside of people doing adept legion

  • powerbats
    powerbats Member Posts: 7,068
    edited December 2018

    @yeet said:

    thats a reliable hard counter
    i also haven't seen anyone running iron maiden outside of people doing adept legion

    I've seen a few running it both on Legion full 4 perks and a few other killers that surprised the heck out of everyone in the match. One Wraith ran it and used Haunted Ground it was pretty epic when others ran into lockers to wait out the hex debuff.

    Also I'm not sure that having an absolute hard counter is good for the state of the game in a sense since for like say healing you've got SB which soft counters it. You can remove the mangled effect by healing etc across the board.

    For like NOED you cleanse all the totems which is a hard counter but perhaps it'd have a lingering effect if it's currently active. You could even have it activate even after the totems are destroyed if both exit gates are powered and opened.

    That would really make survivors want to leave at that point unless they're trying to cover for someone injured. But that could also perhaps be tweaked some as well.

  • SeducedByDaemonette
    SeducedByDaemonette Member Posts: 300
    I miss times when survivors were crying about whispers being overpowered
  • Vietfox
    Vietfox Member Posts: 3,823
    edited December 2018
    ThirdSealOPplzNerf said:

    @Vietfox said:
    ThirdSealOPplzNerf said:

    @Vietfox said:

    1v3 and you didn't get a single kill? Something tells me it was your fault and not DSs one.

    Decisive strike has 0 counters it's a free escape which also means you'll get looped more and that amount of extra time can easily win a 3v1 if the team was good enough they could still win with less than 3 decisives if they were swf don't give him that briaindead reply "oh it's your fault" everyone makes mistakes playing any game the fact that survivors can make 10 mistakes and survive but the killer can make 1 mistake which can instantly cause a loss just says enough that surviors are still overpowerd. survivors that just know how to loop with the broken perks with 0 counters like lithe balanced landing sprint burst decisive strike adrenaline can easily cause a loss that the killer can't do anything about unless playing as nurse. It doesn't even have to be a mistake if a player would play perfectly with no mistakes as killer but against survivors that made no mistakes decisive strike will just force a loss on the killer which shouldn't be happening. Simple change is to complete change the perk into something else.

    @ThirdSealOPplzNerf
    Thanks for the explanation but i know how to play this game too and i can tell it's not that bad.
    PS: the fact that you are calling lithe "broken perk with 0 counters" tells me you are obviously exaggerating.

    Tell me a counter to ds that compelty takes the ability away for a free escape I'd 'like to know that. Enduring isn't a counter overwhelming presence isn't a counter because good survivors can still hit it.dribbling can be punished easily by flashlighting,bodyblocking and sabotaging hooks and even if you do manage to get the hook the time will come the killer has to take the decisive.

    @ThirdSealOPplzNerf
    I replied to the same question to another one in this very thread, look for it.
    Also, can you guys understand (and i'm including survivors as well) that you are NOT suposed to be able to counter everything with perks? There's something called "skills", improve them and use them.
  • slingshotsurvivor
    slingshotsurvivor Member Posts: 943
    edited December 2018
    It's not the perk, as that can be said for the 3 mori's and those don't use a perk slot. 

    It's not overpowered as it's once per use ONLY if:
    - survivors aren't dribbled to the hook
    - lag 
    - survivors aren't near a hook
    - only one survivor has it as the time it takes and how close the hooks are you'd be lucky to get it
    - the killer can still see which direction survivors go even when "stunned" 

    Is annoying? Depends on you. Insta down hatchets aren't fun and neither is infinite their 3 but I don't see many survivors complaining about them or how "fair" mori's are. 

    Okay, yes you may be annoyed but get them back by dribbling or rancor, or infinite e teir 3, or one of the three mori's, or...  Starting to sound like people are poor sports imho. Build a bridge... 
  • slingshotsurvivor
    slingshotsurvivor Member Posts: 943
    edited December 2018
    powerbats said:

    @mcNuggets said:

    If most of the people doesnt have an issue with the perk, why does everybody critizise it?
    Why is it one of the most used perks and often determines the survival of players who wouldnt have survived without the perk?

    As I said before, it's always a different perk that's complained about, before it was SB, then it was healing, now it's DH and AD. Most survivors that use it get caught anyways within 20 seconds or less because they're not really good with it.

    I am a survivor main myself and I use it 24/7, because its overpowered and has no real counter play to it.
    Just admit, it's a overpowered perk.

    OP would mean you never get caught again, you always escape. I don't run it because it's not that great of a perk. For something with no counter play why do killers run Iron Grasp, Enduring, and dribble the obsession so much?

    Imagine killers having a sort of perk like decisive, imagine the forum posts.

    Imagine killers having an instant down that they can repeatedly use the entire match instead of just once.

    Also most pathetic argument:
    "If someone is toxic, they will be toxic no matter what"

    When you can't refute facts post something nonsensical since if someone's going to be toxic they'll be toxic is common sense and factual.

    If they wouldnt have tools to be toxic, they can't be toxic, smart guy.

    Wow did you really just try that, I mean I said and I quote "> @powerbats said:

    They don't need an EXCUSE to be toxic, or a perk or an item since if they want to be toxic they will whether it's tea bagging you, sandbagging their teammates. They could rage quit on you the moment they get downed and they didn't need a per or an item for that.

    Since if someone wants to be toxic they can and will be, and yes they don't need tools to do that hecne all ym examples above. If someone wants to be toxic they don't need a flashlight to be toxic to their teammates, they don't need any items to tea bag the killer endlessly.

    PS:
    BBQ is only good on viable killers, killers tend to run it, because of the BP, if it wouldnt give any BP, nearly noone would use it.

    Well that's funny since so many killers can and do run it for both reasons not just your so called viable killers. Just because you can't play a killer you don't consider viable with it means you can't play a killer viable with it.

    I think I just heard the mic drop! 😏🎤
  • The_Crusader
    The_Crusader Member Posts: 3,688
    slingshotsurvivor said:
    It's not the perk, as that can be said for the 3 mori's and those don't use a perk slot. 

    It's not overpowered as it's once per use ONLY if:
    - survivors aren't dribbled to the hook
    - lag 
    - survivors aren't near a hook
    - only one survivor has it as the time it takes and how close the hooks are you'd be lucky to get it
    - the killer can still see which direction survivors go even when "stunned" 

    Is annoying? Depends on you. Insta down hatchets aren't fun and neither is infinite their 3 but I don't see many survivors complaining about them or how "fair" mori's are. 

    Okay, yes you may be annoyed but get them back by dribbling or rancor, or infinite e teir 3, or one of the three mori's, or...  Starting to sound like people are poor sports imho. Build a bridge... 
    Infinite tier 3 and insta hatchets are rare add ons though, like brand new parts.

    DS is a perk so its every game.
  • Crythor
    Crythor Member Posts: 296

    @The_Crusader said:
    They've talked about nerfing DS for ages now, meanwhile we get 2 counters to BBQ instead.

    Survivor issues > killer issues?

    This.

  • tizzi717
    tizzi717 Member Posts: 89

    @yeet said:

    @painboots said:
    i mean, i'm sick of BBQ and chili, but i'm not crying about it

    BBQ and chili has even more hard counters after the latest patch
    DS has exactly 0 hard counters
    NONE

    you can conter with dribling, and there a lot of hooks in each map

  • yeet
    yeet Member Posts: 1,832

    @tizzi717 said:

    @yeet said:

    @painboots said:
    i mean, i'm sick of BBQ and chili, but i'm not crying about it

    BBQ and chili has even more hard counters after the latest patch
    DS has exactly 0 hard counters
    NONE

    you can conter with dribling, and there a lot of hooks in each map

    can you counter with dribbling 100% of the time? absolutely not

  • tizzi717
    tizzi717 Member Posts: 89

    @yeet said:

    @tizzi717 said:

    @yeet said:

    @painboots said:
    i mean, i'm sick of BBQ and chili, but i'm not crying about it

    BBQ and chili has even more hard counters after the latest patch
    DS has exactly 0 hard counters
    NONE

    you can conter with dribling, and there a lot of hooks in each map

    can you counter with dribbling 100% of the time? absolutely not

    almost, and other time i try to make him mistake with hit plus camera rotation. A lot of times work.

  • The_Crusader
    The_Crusader Member Posts: 3,688
    DS this, DS that, all over the forum.

    Will the devs take the hint and make the nerf a priority? We need it Q1 2019.
  • powerbats
    powerbats Member Posts: 7,068

    @The_Crusader said:
    DS this, DS that, all over the forum.

    Will the devs take the hint and make the nerf a priority? We need it Q1 2019.

    Yes and before that it was BT and before that Dh, and before that it was Sc and before that it was etc etc etc. If we use your logic then NOED needs to be removed due to all the NOEd complaint thread. Why stop there lets remove x killer or x survivors from the game, etc etc etc.

    The funny thing about the DS threads is they're almost always by the same people over and over and or their smurf accounts.

  • The_Crusader
    The_Crusader Member Posts: 3,688
    powerbats said:

    @The_Crusader said:
    DS this, DS that, all over the forum.

    Will the devs take the hint and make the nerf a priority? We need it Q1 2019.

    Yes and before that it was BT and before that Dh, and before that it was Sc and before that it was etc etc etc. If we use your logic then NOED needs to be removed due to all the NOEd complaint thread. Why stop there lets remove x killer or x survivors from the game, etc etc etc.

    The funny thing about the DS threads is they're almost always by the same people over and over and or their smurf accounts.

    Are you on the dev team? Trying to suck up? Or just a shill?

    Because you defend everything and then try to throw out straw man arguments to riddicule anyone who dares to critisize anything in the game.

    The devs said DS needs to change. People have known this for years, they're just getting impatient.
  • PHOENIXSAVER
    PHOENIXSAVER Member Posts: 1

    @Schorts94 said:
    Seriously getting so fed up with this dumb ass perk. Multiple games I keep getting hit with it over and over and I'm getting really pissed. Just had a game where I didn't get a single kill against a 3 man cause of this perk cause everyone had it and I got hit and my time was wasted. Can we make it to where only the obsession can use it?

    Maybe its you not ds. I had a 4 man with it and still killed all of them. Maybe your new to the game but its not that op. You use it one time and its gone forever plus if not obsession you have to wiggle to 35% if you cant get them to a hook in that time maybe try to down them close to a hook. Hooks are every where Its not worth a nerf they would get alot of hate if the nerf it.

  • WhiteAqua7
    WhiteAqua7 Member Posts: 30
    Vietfox said:
    1v3 and you didn't get a single kill? Something tells me it was your fault and not DSs one.
    It really depends on what killer they were playing. DS is beyond overpowered against any killer except Spirit, Nurse, Hillbilly and Huntress. This being said it's a struggle for higher tier killers as well because you cannot get momentum going.  
  • Vietfox
    Vietfox Member Posts: 3,823
    edited December 2018
    WhiteAqua7 said:
    Vietfox said:
    1v3 and you didn't get a single kill? Something tells me it was your fault and not DSs one.
    It really depends on what killer they were playing. DS is beyond overpowered against any killer except Spirit, Nurse, Hillbilly and Huntress. This being said it's a struggle for higher tier killers as well because you cannot get momentum going.  
    @WhiteAqua7
     I'm a rank 1 killer and no, DS is not beyond overpowered, not even average op. If it was i would use it all the time.
    PS: i'm a hag main btw.
  • yeet
    yeet Member Posts: 1,832

    @tizzi717 said:

    @yeet said:

    @tizzi717 said:

    @yeet said:

    @painboots said:
    i mean, i'm sick of BBQ and chili, but i'm not crying about it

    BBQ and chili has even more hard counters after the latest patch
    DS has exactly 0 hard counters
    NONE

    you can conter with dribling, and there a lot of hooks in each map

    can you counter with dribbling 100% of the time? absolutely not

    almost, and other time i try to make him mistake with hit plus camera rotation. A lot of times work.

    that only works on bad players who would have missed it regardless

  • yeet
    yeet Member Posts: 1,832

    @Vietfox said:
    WhiteAqua7 said:


    Vietfox said:

    1v3 and you didn't get a single kill? Something tells me it was your fault and not DSs one.

    It really depends on what killer they were playing. DS is beyond overpowered against any killer except Spirit, Nurse, Hillbilly and Huntress. This being said it's a struggle for higher tier killers as well because you cannot get momentum going.  

    @WhiteAqua7
     I'm a rank 1 killer and no, DS is not beyond overpowered, not even average op. If it was i would use it all the time.
    PS: i'm a hag main btw.

    hag is an above average killer

  • Vietfox
    Vietfox Member Posts: 3,823
    yeet said:

    @Vietfox said:
    WhiteAqua7 said:


    Vietfox said:

    1v3 and you didn't get a single kill? Something tells me it was your fault and not DSs one.

    It really depends on what killer they were playing. DS is beyond overpowered against any killer except Spirit, Nurse, Hillbilly and Huntress. This being said it's a struggle for higher tier killers as well because you cannot get momentum going.  

    @WhiteAqua7
     I'm a rank 1 killer and no, DS is not beyond overpowered, not even average op. If it was i would use it all the time.
    PS: i'm a hag main btw.

    hag is an above average killer

    @yeet
    Hag is a top tier killer, yeah. I just said it because Aqua said: " any killer except Spirit, Nurse, Hillbilly and Huntress."
    PS: i play with most of the killers, not that i only play as the hag.
  • MyNamePete
    MyNamePete Member Posts: 1,053

    @ThirdSealOPplzNerf said:

    @Vietfox said:
    1v3 and you didn't get a single kill? Something tells me it was your fault and not DSs one.

    Decisive strike has 0 counters it's a free escape which also means you'll get looped more and that amount of extra time can easily win a 3v1 if the team was good enough they could still win with less than 3 decisives if they were swf don't give him that briaindead reply "oh it's your fault" everyone makes mistakes playing any game the fact that survivors can make 10 mistakes and survive but the killer can make 1 mistake which can instantly cause a loss just says enough that surviors are still overpowerd. survivors that just know how to loop with the broken perks with 0 counters like lithe balanced landing sprint burst decisive strike adrenaline can easily cause a loss that the killer can't do anything about unless playing as nurse. It doesn't even have to be a mistake if a player would play perfectly with no mistakes as killer but against survivors that made no mistakes decisive strike will just force a loss on the killer which shouldn't be happening. Simple change is to complete change the perk into something else.

    So a Killer losing a 1v3 is not their fault but obviously it's because of DS? I don't know what world you're living in but it's definitely the killers fault..

  • MyNamePete
    MyNamePete Member Posts: 1,053

    @Schorts94 said:
    Seriously getting so fed up with this dumb ass perk. Multiple games I keep getting hit with it over and over and I'm getting really pissed. Just had a game where I didn't get a single kill against a 3 man cause of this perk cause everyone had it and I got hit and my time was wasted. Can we make it to where only the obsession can use it?

    Yes DS is "annoying" but it doesn't really require much of a nerf. If you didn't get a single kill in a 3 man group you need to get better. If you're getting looped break the pallet or leave them. Don't waste your time on a survivor that you can't catch. If you do catch them, just do the old cAmPp beacuse you know they'll run you around again.

  • JOBreazy
    JOBreazy Member Posts: 128
    yeet said:

    @Vietfox said:
    ThirdSealOPplzNerf said:

    @Vietfox said:

    1v3 and you didn't get a single kill? Something tells me it was your fault and not DSs one.

    Decisive strike has 0 counters it's a free escape which also means you'll get looped more and that amount of extra time can easily win a 3v1 if the team was good enough they could still win with less than 3 decisives if they were swf don't give him that briaindead reply "oh it's your fault" everyone makes mistakes playing any game the fact that survivors can make 10 mistakes and survive but the killer can make 1 mistake which can instantly cause a loss just says enough that surviors are still overpowerd. survivors that just know how to loop with the broken perks with 0 counters like lithe balanced landing sprint burst decisive strike adrenaline can easily cause a loss that the killer can't do anything about unless playing as nurse. It doesn't even have to be a mistake if a player would play perfectly with no mistakes as killer but against survivors that made no mistakes decisive strike will just force a loss on the killer which shouldn't be happening. Simple change is to complete change the perk into something else.

    @ThirdSealOPplzNerf
    Thanks for the explanation but i know how to play this game too and i can tell it's not that bad.
    PS: the fact that you are calling lithe "broken perk with 0 counters" tells me you are obviously exaggerating.

    @Vietfox said:
    ThirdSealOPplzNerf said:

    @Vietfox said:

    1v3 and you didn't get a single kill? Something tells me it was your fault and not DSs one.

    Decisive strike has 0 counters it's a free escape which also means you'll get looped more and that amount of extra time can easily win a 3v1 if the team was good enough they could still win with less than 3 decisives if they were swf don't give him that briaindead reply "oh it's your fault" everyone makes mistakes playing any game the fact that survivors can make 10 mistakes and survive but the killer can make 1 mistake which can instantly cause a loss just says enough that surviors are still overpowerd. survivors that just know how to loop with the broken perks with 0 counters like lithe balanced landing sprint burst decisive strike adrenaline can easily cause a loss that the killer can't do anything about unless playing as nurse. It doesn't even have to be a mistake if a player would play perfectly with no mistakes as killer but against survivors that made no mistakes decisive strike will just force a loss on the killer which shouldn't be happening. Simple change is to complete change the perk into something else.

    @ThirdSealOPplzNerf
    Thanks for the explanation but i know how to play this game too and i can tell it's not that bad.
    PS: the fact that you are calling lithe "broken perk with 0 counters" tells me you are obviously exaggerating.

    tell me something that will stop DS from going off 100% of the time


    Schorts94 said:

    Seriously getting so fed up with this dumb ass perk. Multiple games I keep getting hit with it over and over and I'm getting really pissed. Just had a game where I didn't get a single kill against a 3 man cause of this perk cause everyone had it and I got hit and my time was wasted. Can we make it to where only the obsession can use it?

    Im sorry but if you seriously think ds is op then you are just trash at being a killer, stop crying abouy a perk that gives you an extra 5 seconds. You dont see survivors crying about all the op killer perks. And there is a way to counter ds you just simply do what every killer does and dribble them, just because you lost a game doesnt mean you need to cry about it 
  • powerbats
    powerbats Member Posts: 7,068

    @The_Crusader said:

    Are you on the dev team? Trying to suck up? Or just a shill?

    Because you defend everything and then try to throw out straw man arguments to riddicule anyone who dares to critisize anything in the game.

    The devs said DS needs to change. People have known this for years, they're just getting impatient.

    Ah yes the typical Ad Hominems when you can't refute insult.

    That's funny i've said for most of my time on here that healing needed changes, that killers have needed buffs, I've suggested some pretty op stuff for killers even. But hey that's me defending everything on here but if I'm defending everything on here.

    Now if I'm ridiculing anyone who dares to criticizing anything how would that mean i'm defending everything here? Since wouldn't't that mean I'm defending killers that criticize anything in the game

    I mean if I'm defending yet ridiculing that's contradictory on your part you're claiming 2 different things at once that're equally opposite.

    Yes I'm aware of the fact that DS needs to change and have advocated for some changes as well but just because people are getting impatient doesn't mean they new to make things worse. That impatience caused them to rush the Clowns release and look how that turned out.

    Also how is stating actual facts now becoming Straw Man arguments considering you've used plenty, pot meet kettle.

    Lastly when I criticize someone for a bad argument I'm not ridiculing them, I'm criticizing their bad argument, if you think I'm ridiculing them then perhaps they deserved said ridicule.

  • Vietfox
    Vietfox Member Posts: 3,823
    JOBreazy said:
    yeet said:

    @Vietfox said:
    ThirdSealOPplzNerf said:

    @Vietfox said:

    1v3 and you didn't get a single kill? Something tells me it was your fault and not DSs one.

    Decisive strike has 0 counters it's a free escape which also means you'll get looped more and that amount of extra time can easily win a 3v1 if the team was good enough they could still win with less than 3 decisives if they were swf don't give him that briaindead reply "oh it's your fault" everyone makes mistakes playing any game the fact that survivors can make 10 mistakes and survive but the killer can make 1 mistake which can instantly cause a loss just says enough that surviors are still overpowerd. survivors that just know how to loop with the broken perks with 0 counters like lithe balanced landing sprint burst decisive strike adrenaline can easily cause a loss that the killer can't do anything about unless playing as nurse. It doesn't even have to be a mistake if a player would play perfectly with no mistakes as killer but against survivors that made no mistakes decisive strike will just force a loss on the killer which shouldn't be happening. Simple change is to complete change the perk into something else.

    @ThirdSealOPplzNerf
    Thanks for the explanation but i know how to play this game too and i can tell it's not that bad.
    PS: the fact that you are calling lithe "broken perk with 0 counters" tells me you are obviously exaggerating.

    @Vietfox said:
    ThirdSealOPplzNerf said:

    @Vietfox said:

    1v3 and you didn't get a single kill? Something tells me it was your fault and not DSs one.

    Decisive strike has 0 counters it's a free escape which also means you'll get looped more and that amount of extra time can easily win a 3v1 if the team was good enough they could still win with less than 3 decisives if they were swf don't give him that briaindead reply "oh it's your fault" everyone makes mistakes playing any game the fact that survivors can make 10 mistakes and survive but the killer can make 1 mistake which can instantly cause a loss just says enough that surviors are still overpowerd. survivors that just know how to loop with the broken perks with 0 counters like lithe balanced landing sprint burst decisive strike adrenaline can easily cause a loss that the killer can't do anything about unless playing as nurse. It doesn't even have to be a mistake if a player would play perfectly with no mistakes as killer but against survivors that made no mistakes decisive strike will just force a loss on the killer which shouldn't be happening. Simple change is to complete change the perk into something else.

    @ThirdSealOPplzNerf
    Thanks for the explanation but i know how to play this game too and i can tell it's not that bad.
    PS: the fact that you are calling lithe "broken perk with 0 counters" tells me you are obviously exaggerating.

    tell me something that will stop DS from going off 100% of the time


    Schorts94 said:

    Seriously getting so fed up with this dumb ass perk. Multiple games I keep getting hit with it over and over and I'm getting really pissed. Just had a game where I didn't get a single kill against a 3 man cause of this perk cause everyone had it and I got hit and my time was wasted. Can we make it to where only the obsession can use it?

    Im sorry but if you seriously think ds is op then you are just trash at being a killer, stop crying abouy a perk that gives you an extra 5 seconds. You dont see survivors crying about all the op killer perks. And there is a way to counter ds you just simply do what every killer does and dribble them, just because you lost a game doesnt mean you need to cry about it 
    @JOBreazy
    You can't really say survivors don't complain about killer perks, look for "noed" in the search box 😅
  • powerbats
    powerbats Member Posts: 7,068

    @Vietfox said:

    @JOBreazy
    You can't really say survivors don't complain about killer perks, look for "noed" in the search box 😅

    Both sides have people that complain about one thing or many things and most of the time it's because they don't know how to deal with it. That or they're just not very good at the moment and need to play more to get better and get more experience.

    Then there's just the ones on both sides that just like to complain and make excuses for everything even after 2 years of playing.

  • NMCKE
    NMCKE Member Posts: 8,243
    Tsulan said:
    Attackfrog said:

    @BACKSTABBER said:
    no, it needs a buff:

    • not difficult skill check
    • usable everytime you got transported and not just once

    I agree. Every survivor should be able to use it every time. But why just one skill check? If they miss it they should get another chance.

    Last time I checked, survivors have two hands!

    I agree.
    The stun should also incapacitate the killer for a longer duration. 
    While we're at it, DS automatically completes the closest generator by the power of salt DS causes! :)
  • Nikkiwhat
    Nikkiwhat Member Posts: 1,378
    edited December 2018
    The only gripe I have about DS is if it's 3-4 Survivors running it. Makes practically every chase a bigger time waste for Gen Rushing to go even better. If 1-2 have it, it's whatever.  It's even worse if they're a sabo squad, so it makes it more likely for there to not be a Hook to either juggle the obsession DSer or to even make it to a Hook for the others.


  • Vietfox
    Vietfox Member Posts: 3,823
    powerbats said:

    @Vietfox said:

    @JOBreazy
    You can't really say survivors don't complain about killer perks, look for "noed" in the search box 😅

    Both sides have people that complain about one thing or many things and most of the time it's because they don't know how to deal with it. That or they're just not very good at the moment and need to play more to get better and get more experience.

    Then there's just the ones on both sides that just like to complain and make excuses for everything even after 2 years of playing.

    @powerbats
    Yeah, both sides have people bitching about everything, but it's way easier to blame the game instead of themselves
    There are some legit complaints and i agree that this game needs some tweaks,  but most of the complaints i see in this forum could be solved just by getting better and admitting that they made mistakes.
    If i had a really bad match i like to record it and watch it again to see where failed.
  • NMCKE
    NMCKE Member Posts: 8,243
    yeet said:

    @Vietfox said:
    ThirdSealOPplzNerf said:

    @Vietfox said:

    1v3 and you didn't get a single kill? Something tells me it was your fault and not DSs one.

    Decisive strike has 0 counters it's a free escape which also means you'll get looped more and that amount of extra time can easily win a 3v1 if the team was good enough they could still win with less than 3 decisives if they were swf don't give him that briaindead reply "oh it's your fault" everyone makes mistakes playing any game the fact that survivors can make 10 mistakes and survive but the killer can make 1 mistake which can instantly cause a loss just says enough that surviors are still overpowerd. survivors that just know how to loop with the broken perks with 0 counters like lithe balanced landing sprint burst decisive strike adrenaline can easily cause a loss that the killer can't do anything about unless playing as nurse. It doesn't even have to be a mistake if a player would play perfectly with no mistakes as killer but against survivors that made no mistakes decisive strike will just force a loss on the killer which shouldn't be happening. Simple change is to complete change the perk into something else.

    @ThirdSealOPplzNerf
    Thanks for the explanation but i know how to play this game too and i can tell it's not that bad.
    PS: the fact that you are calling lithe "broken perk with 0 counters" tells me you are obviously exaggerating.

    @Vietfox said:
    ThirdSealOPplzNerf said:

    @Vietfox said:

    1v3 and you didn't get a single kill? Something tells me it was your fault and not DSs one.

    Decisive strike has 0 counters it's a free escape which also means you'll get looped more and that amount of extra time can easily win a 3v1 if the team was good enough they could still win with less than 3 decisives if they were swf don't give him that briaindead reply "oh it's your fault" everyone makes mistakes playing any game the fact that survivors can make 10 mistakes and survive but the killer can make 1 mistake which can instantly cause a loss just says enough that surviors are still overpowerd. survivors that just know how to loop with the broken perks with 0 counters like lithe balanced landing sprint burst decisive strike adrenaline can easily cause a loss that the killer can't do anything about unless playing as nurse. It doesn't even have to be a mistake if a player would play perfectly with no mistakes as killer but against survivors that made no mistakes decisive strike will just force a loss on the killer which shouldn't be happening. Simple change is to complete change the perk into something else.

    @ThirdSealOPplzNerf
    Thanks for the explanation but i know how to play this game too and i can tell it's not that bad.
    PS: the fact that you are calling lithe "broken perk with 0 counters" tells me you are obviously exaggerating.

    tell me something that will stop DS from going off 100% of the time

    There is one true counter but it's extremely situational and requires a perk for the killer. Basically stand beside the basement stairs and they will fall going through lots of animations. If you have Enduring, by the time they start running up the stairs, you'll recover from the stun and will down them again. However, if a perk needs such a complex and a extremely situational counter then it needs a nerf.
  • ReneAensland
    ReneAensland Member Posts: 838

    I just haven't had a problem with it.
    But, if we're leaving it at a democratic vote then, nerf it is.

  • BeanieEnthusiast
    BeanieEnthusiast Member Posts: 213
    Doesn’t get a kill in a 3v1... pretty sure it’s a user problem. 
  • MakoFenrir
    MakoFenrir Member Posts: 51
    BACKSTABBER said:

    no, it needs a buff:

    • not difficult skill check
    • usable everytime you got transported and not just once
    Shhh, the killers will get angry.
  • Cymer
    Cymer Member Posts: 946
    The_Crusader said:
    As mcnuggets said, obviously people woukd then address other perks, but for me personally no perk has the urgency that DS has. The rest are nothing compared to that and I know a large number of people agree with me.

    Lol at "devs never said its overpowered....just that its too strong". What kind of mental gymnastics is that? If you look at the ideas the devs have floated about for DS before they were HUUUGE nerfs. Why would there be such drastic changes planned unless DD was indeed far too powerful in its current form?

    Lol at "its your choice to chase the obsession". You've said before not to waste time chasing the obsession. Its not a choice in a good way, its a choice not to risk losing the game by gaining zero momentum.

    No perk has as many complaints as DS. Not even the almighty NOED. DS isn't fun at all. It really sucks the fun out of the game for killers. All the other perks can be annoying but they aren't on this level.
    Check out the death efficiency post here in the forum, then you will understand how a DS can screw with your entire game.
    And it's not just the obsession, the unexpected DS is the most annoying and damaging part of the game.
  • powerbats
    powerbats Member Posts: 7,068

    @Cymer said:
    The_Crusader said:

    As mcnuggets said, obviously people woukd then address other perks, but for me personally no perk has the urgency that DS has. The rest are nothing compared to that and I know a large number of people agree with me.

    Lol at "devs never said its overpowered....just that its too strong". What kind of mental gymnastics is that? If you look at the ideas the devs have floated about for DS before they were HUUUGE nerfs. Why would there be such drastic changes planned unless DD was indeed far too powerful in its current form?

    Lol at "its your choice to chase the obsession". You've said before not to waste time chasing the obsession. Its not a choice in a good way, its a choice not to risk losing the game by gaining zero momentum.

    No perk has as many complaints as DS. Not even the almighty NOED. DS isn't fun at all. It really sucks the fun out of the game for killers. All the other perks can be annoying but they aren't on this level.

    Check out the death efficiency post here in the forum, then you will understand how a DS can screw with your entire game.
    And it's not just the obsession, the unexpected DS is the most annoying and damaging part of the game.

    I don't get bothered by it and nor do quite a few other killers here, in fact if you expect everyone to have it you don't get surprised by it. I expect everyone to have self Care and when I find they don't I adjust accordingly, same for DH/AD/SB/UE etc.

    I've faced 4 man swf with DS/AD/SC/SB and 4 purple flashlights, I still manage to sacrifice them all most of the time. The games may take longer but that just makes it more rewarding because you took the best they dished out and still won.

  • Larcz
    Larcz Member Posts: 531

    Just now i got game wher no obsesion got DS i was one step from hook when DS enter and bb baby killer.And run to another palet and another one etc.This is just insane how long one surv can waste killer time when rest work on gens.

  • Cardgrey
    Cardgrey Member Posts: 1,454

    @yeet said:

    @tizzi717 said:

    @yeet said:

    @painboots said:
    i mean, i'm sick of BBQ and chili, but i'm not crying about it

    BBQ and chili has even more hard counters after the latest patch
    DS has exactly 0 hard counters
    NONE

    you can conter with dribling, and there a lot of hooks in each map

    can you counter with dribbling 100% of the time? absolutely not

    I agree u can’t counter 100%. So why not just slug and camp over them with leather face reving your chainsaw.
    And just let them bleed out. If they ruin your game why not ruin theirs.

  • The_Crusader
    The_Crusader Member Posts: 3,688
    Cardgrey said:

    @yeet said:

    @tizzi717 said:

    @yeet said:

    @painboots said:
    i mean, i'm sick of BBQ and chili, but i'm not crying about it

    BBQ and chili has even more hard counters after the latest patch
    DS has exactly 0 hard counters
    NONE

    you can conter with dribling, and there a lot of hooks in each map

    can you counter with dribbling 100% of the time? absolutely not

    I agree u can’t counter 100%. So why not just slug and camp over them with leather face reving your chainsaw.
    And just let them bleed out. If they ruin your game why not ruin theirs.

    I've done this before lol should see the tears post game. Shame you have to forfeit the game however to do it. I managed to get 2 more though afterwards with NOED.

    They had 3 d-strikes that game so felt good man.
  • powerbats
    powerbats Member Posts: 7,068

    @The_Crusader said:

    I've done this before lol should see the tears post game. Shame you have to forfeit the game however to do it. I managed to get 2 more though afterwards with NOED.

    They had 2 DS, 2 AD and 2 BT as well as 3 purple flashlights with purple lens and green batteries that game so felt good..

    This is from a ways back and I gave the David the hatch even though he was injured and far away so I could've sac'd him.

    Here's the post game lobby so you can see the results of the 3 flashlight party. I 3 hooked the jacket Claudette and the Meg and 2 hooked the cosmetic outfit Claudette who suicided since the David wasn't going to unhook her after the stuff they did.

    The 3 sac's definitely knew what they're were doing since they rotated flashlight stuns and saves although they were sort of pissed when they tried to 360.

  • JOBreazy
    JOBreazy Member Posts: 128
    powerbats said:

    @Vietfox said:

    @JOBreazy
    You can't really say survivors don't complain about killer perks, look for "noed" in the search box 😅

    Both sides have people that complain about one thing or many things and most of the time it's because they don't know how to deal with it. That or they're just not very good at the moment and need to play more to get better and get more experience.

    Then there's just the ones on both sides that just like to complain and make excuses for everything even after 2 years of playing.

    Your absolutely right, my point is to many people complain rather than just getting better. It goes for both sides. The main problem is people not accepting a loss from someone who is better than them
  • ReneAensland
    ReneAensland Member Posts: 838

    @powerbats your post made me laugh xD

  • Larcz
    Larcz Member Posts: 531
    JOBreazy said:
    powerbats said:

    @Vietfox said:

    @JOBreazy
    You can't really say survivors don't complain about killer perks, look for "noed" in the search box 😅

    Both sides have people that complain about one thing or many things and most of the time it's because they don't know how to deal with it. That or they're just not very good at the moment and need to play more to get better and get more experience.

    Then there's just the ones on both sides that just like to complain and make excuses for everything even after 2 years of playing.

    Your absolutely right, my point is to many people complain rather than just getting better. It goes for both sides. The main problem is people not accepting a loss from someone who is better than them
    Yes that surv got skill when i want just use my chainsaw on canibal or dash atack pig he use sprint perk such a skill one buton and later run in circle clise to palet when i got him he use DS another super skillfull plays and start obe again out play me just run in circle close to palet.
  • JOBreazy
    JOBreazy Member Posts: 128
    Vietfox said:
    JOBreazy said:
    yeet said:

    @Vietfox said:
    ThirdSealOPplzNerf said:

    @Vietfox said:

    1v3 and you didn't get a single kill? Something tells me it was your fault and not DSs one.

    Decisive strike has 0 counters it's a free escape which also means you'll get looped more and that amount of extra time can easily win a 3v1 if the team was good enough they could still win with less than 3 decisives if they were swf don't give him that briaindead reply "oh it's your fault" everyone makes mistakes playing any game the fact that survivors can make 10 mistakes and survive but the killer can make 1 mistake which can instantly cause a loss just says enough that surviors are still overpowerd. survivors that just know how to loop with the broken perks with 0 counters like lithe balanced landing sprint burst decisive strike adrenaline can easily cause a loss that the killer can't do anything about unless playing as nurse. It doesn't even have to be a mistake if a player would play perfectly with no mistakes as killer but against survivors that made no mistakes decisive strike will just force a loss on the killer which shouldn't be happening. Simple change is to complete change the perk into something else.

    @ThirdSealOPplzNerf
    Thanks for the explanation but i know how to play this game too and i can tell it's not that bad.
    PS: the fact that you are calling lithe "broken perk with 0 counters" tells me you are obviously exaggerating.

    @Vietfox said:
    ThirdSealOPplzNerf said:

    @Vietfox said:

    1v3 and you didn't get a single kill? Something tells me it was your fault and not DSs one.

    Decisive strike has 0 counters it's a free escape which also means you'll get looped more and that amount of extra time can easily win a 3v1 if the team was good enough they could still win with less than 3 decisives if they were swf don't give him that briaindead reply "oh it's your fault" everyone makes mistakes playing any game the fact that survivors can make 10 mistakes and survive but the killer can make 1 mistake which can instantly cause a loss just says enough that surviors are still overpowerd. survivors that just know how to loop with the broken perks with 0 counters like lithe balanced landing sprint burst decisive strike adrenaline can easily cause a loss that the killer can't do anything about unless playing as nurse. It doesn't even have to be a mistake if a player would play perfectly with no mistakes as killer but against survivors that made no mistakes decisive strike will just force a loss on the killer which shouldn't be happening. Simple change is to complete change the perk into something else.

    @ThirdSealOPplzNerf
    Thanks for the explanation but i know how to play this game too and i can tell it's not that bad.
    PS: the fact that you are calling lithe "broken perk with 0 counters" tells me you are obviously exaggerating.

    tell me something that will stop DS from going off 100% of the time


    Schorts94 said:

    Seriously getting so fed up with this dumb ass perk. Multiple games I keep getting hit with it over and over and I'm getting really pissed. Just had a game where I didn't get a single kill against a 3 man cause of this perk cause everyone had it and I got hit and my time was wasted. Can we make it to where only the obsession can use it?

    Im sorry but if you seriously think ds is op then you are just trash at being a killer, stop crying abouy a perk that gives you an extra 5 seconds. You dont see survivors crying about all the op killer perks. And there is a way to counter ds you just simply do what every killer does and dribble them, just because you lost a game doesnt mean you need to cry about it 
    @JOBreazy
    You can't really say survivors don't complain about killer perks, look for "noed" in the search box 😅
    Both sides complain that doesnt mean i support what other survivors complain about, most of the complains come from people who are not good and want the devs the cater to there bad decisions and bad gameplay, in my op the game is fairly balanced both sides have perks that are annoying. As for killers yes some are weaker than others but you arent forced to play those killers and yes some need reworks but i think to many people want reworks so there just as strong as nurse and billy and that would just ruin the game in my op