You know you have a problem when you expect to lose

Countfunkular

Okay... let me give a bit more context. I've been playing a bit more of the legion and I have to be honest again survive with friends I don't expect to honestly have a chance in hell once they realize who I am.

I see you survived with friend Squad load up in the first thought that comes to my mind is I'm either going to duck them and hope I can find a game that's actually plausible for me to at least get some kind of blood points or I'm just going to have to take the punishment and see what's wrong with this goddamn killer.

And it isn't just this killer. When you see a Survivor spring Squad and they're ######### with you in the match cuz they know you can't really beat them then you know something is wrong.

I don't want to be that guy and start ducking. But if I can't even get more points than survivors and a blood Point event using Survivor pudding. Something is wrong. Especially if I play optimally Enter The strength of the Killer.

Also keep in mind this is mostly towards the new killer but somewhat in general because it doesn't feel good seeing a 4 stack. Unless you know you have the perk build for the job.

I don't know maybe I'm going ######### crazy but Survivor friends are a lot more powerful than some give them credit for...

DwightsLifeMatters

Maybe lack of skill? Everyone says "I played optimal" but once the upload a gameplay there are many unoptimal things to see.

Jago

Legion is bad against SWF. Plus it's depending on the map you're running.

You can't win everytime. When I play a game, personnally, I think more about how I gonna improve my playstyle and be better. Playing huntress on PS4 is kind of a challenge and that's a win to hit some hatchets ^^

Think about pleasure, not winning or losing.

Countfunkular

@DwightsLifeMatters
First off " maybe lack of skill" them Fightin words. But seriously though I have a build that is somewhat Built For the new killer. I might want to edit my post but it mostly towards him.

Countfunkular

@Jago
I get what you're saying but I still take no pleasure in a Flawless victory on their side. Doesn't feel good losing almost every other match.
This game is supposed to be built asymmetrically I'm supposed to be the power roll not the other way around. That's the one thing people keep forgetting is that the killers are supposed to be a threat if they're not supposed to be laughed at unless they're new to the game or blind as a bat

Countfunkular

@DwightsLifeMatters
@Jago

But you both still make pretty good points though

Jago

You won't get laughed at if you're taking pleasure at getting better. You don't care about what people are thinking.

I don't even use ruin or noed and when you do a 4k with that ######### killer without camping or what, seriously that's a satisfaction.

powerbats

IF you go into a match expecting to lose then you'll lose either via them making better plays or you making a slew of bad ones. You don't like it when they get a flawless victory on their side but have no problems if you get a flawless victory on your side.

Do you see the dichotomy there, if you do good you feel good but if you do bad it's not fun and the same is true for their side.

When you do good look at the things you did right and the things you did wrong since even if you 4k you made mistakes. The same is true for when you lose, there's always room for improvement and admit your mistakes and learn from them.

The biggest mistake you can make is blaming your mistakes on something else or a perk or addon etc. If you played to the best of your ability and still lost you did the best you could. The same is true for the survivors who did their best but you still managed to beat them.

George_Soros

@powerbats said:
IF you go into a match expecting to lose then you'll lose either via them making better plays or you making a slew of bad ones. You don't like it when they get a flawless victory on their side but have no problems if you get a flawless victory on your side.

Do you see the dichotomy there, if you do good you feel good but if you do bad it's not fun and the same is true for their side.

When you do good look at the things you did right and the things you did wrong since even if you 4k you made mistakes. The same is true for when you lose, there's always room for improvement and admit your mistakes and learn from them.

The biggest mistake you can make is blaming your mistakes on something else or a perk or addon etc. If you played to the best of your ability and still lost you did the best you could. The same is true for the survivors who did their best but you still managed to beat them.

You're so very idealistic, powerbats

To OP: if there's clearly no way to get at least some minor victory, just pick the most annoying one and camp/tunnel him. It's true that SWF are generally stronger than a group of soloes, and it's also true that Legion is particulary vulnerable to them. Somewhat disappointing to say this, but against SWF you MUST use a stronger killer. Unless you're mostly interested in BP. Legion is surprisingly good at that.

powerbats

@George_Soros said:

You're so very idealistic, powerbats

To OP: if there's clearly no way to get at least some minor victory, just pick the most annoying one and camp/tunnel him. It's true that SWF are generally stronger than a group of soloes, and it's also true that Legion is particulary vulnerable to them. Somewhat disappointing to say this, but against SWF you MUST use a stronger killer. Unless you're mostly interested in BP. Legion is surprisingly good at that.

While I'm definitely idealistic I also try and look at things as a teaching moment and not the how can I place blame while absolving myself.

If you think you're going to lose you will lose, you'll make more mistakes, you'll get more frustrated and you'll become toxic. One feeds on the other and it'll keep on getting worse and worse to the point you become so angry you'll lash out.

You'll see toxicity where there is none or see some and become that which you despise and eventually you'll get banned.

I've been in matches with 4 legacy players and i knew it was going to be tough but I took that as a challenge and decided I'd have fun no matter what. I've gotten absolutely destroyed and got no one sacrificed and sometimes not even hooked.

But i've never once come to the forums and complained about it, I've laughed at my mistakes which were usually many. I've also 4kd those games because I took what i learned and applied it to other games. I've also had good laughs post game with most of the tough games and even gotten compliments on my game play.

Most of the games I got destroyed i've had laughs with the people I played against because I never tunneled or camped. I didn't smack anyone on the hook because I was frustrated, i just took it in stride and if someone was tea bagging or taunting me I didn't take the bait.

Countfunkular

@powerbats
Yep you got a point.
There's always room for improvement but there is a cap level regardless. Some might not believe it's true but to certain extent there are. Yes I do want to improve is this killer because I actually like the idea of the new killer. If any of the killer that I actually have more experience with win or lose it is what it is but it sucks even when you try your best and it never seems to be good enough.

By the way this is mostly about survive with friend groups particularly for stacks any other number it doesn't really much matter but something just grinds the back of my spine when I have to face them because again I don't want to duck because it feels low and shady and you never get better unless you take a whooping.

@George_Soros
Oh yes if a survive with friend group know that I'm playing this killer. They're going to split to every side of the dam map. There's nothing I can really do with my Powers unless I plan to just tunnel them down or get the first hit in.

Also I finally a barbecue and chili so hopefully I can have a bit more pressure but probably not

powerbats

@Countfunkular said:
@powerbats
Yep you got a point.
There's always room for improvement but there is a cap level regardless. Some might not believe it's true but to certain extent there are. Yes I do want to improve is this killer because I actually like the idea of the new killer. If any of the killer that I actually have more experience with win or lose it is what it is but it sucks even when you try your best and it never seems to be good enough.

By the way this is mostly about survive with friend groups particularly for stacks any other number it doesn't really much matter but something just grinds the back of my spine when I have to face them because again I don't want to duck because it feels low and shady and you never get better unless you take a whooping.

@George_Soros
Oh yes if a survive with friend group know that I'm playing this killer. They're going to split to every side of the dam map. There's nothing I can really do with my Powers unless I plan to just tunnel them down or get the first hit in.

Also I finally a barbecue and chili so hopefully I can have a bit more pressure but probably not

Oh I agree on the skill cap, sadly some here especially don't realize that and you can only improve so much in the end. But for most that improvement will be sufficient for how they play and with what.

With SWF the trick is learning to sue that against them since most swef groups are overly altruistic and will usually go for saves. Now even when you don't amp you can generally know when they're going to go for a save.

The 4 man swat teams are actually pretty rare and when you get one just try your best and sometimes you'll 4k them because you get a get cocky and arrogant group.

DwightsLifeMatters

Countfunkular said:

@DwightsLifeMatters
@Jago

But you both still make pretty good points though

I mean, u can upload ur gameplays and we all can take a look at it to help you. Maybe ur right and u played optimal and it was unwinnable. But then we would also show that the devs so they can try to balance that.