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Hard 3 gen, neither side wants to move, is this a holding the game hostage situation?
Killer immediately went to a 3 Gen on the map, the 3 gens were extremely close to each other. His build was setup for it and he's a speedy killer so getting any progress on the gens was basically hopeless.
We pop the 4 gens that we could, he wasn't chasing anyone and not once left the area at all.
we attempted at first to try and all rotate gens while he smacked us off, but we were unable to make any progress at all, call of brine just ate it all up, and eruption would knock us right off soon as he knocked someone down every time.
Eventually we are all death hooked and things are looking impossible at this point.
Literally the only way we were ever going to be able to get the last gen done was to get him to leave the area in chase, but he refused to engage in a chase with us, the second we even got 10 feet away from the gen he'd break chase and go right back to protecting his gens.
at one point we were all just standing outside of the general area of the gens, in plain sight motioning him to chase one of us, he refused.
this went on for like 15 minutes, was just a standoff between the killer and us.
eventually we are completely over it and just want to get to the next match, this killer wasn't ever going to chase us and we had zero chance to get a gen done. we just all went over to him and let him hook us one by one until we were dead.
in post game chat he said he's submitting a report and accused us of holding the match hostage....excuse me what? apparently we are obligated to let him kill us immediately if a 3 gen situation occurs like this?
he could have chased us and abandoned the 3 gen at any time and the match would have ended naturally, both parties are refusing to let the other win, isn't this more of a standoff?
I could understand this if we all were just hiding in lockers the entire time and he was searching for us, but we were literally standing in plain sight, he just refused to chase...
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I know that Survivors refusing to do gens can be, but it gets weird when it's a 3gen like that.
Really, though:
this went on for like 15 minutes, was just a standoff between the killer and us.
did none of you have anything better to do? Should've just gotten killed sooner and moved on, you know how it's going to play out. Killer's not going to leave on a long chase to areas of the map with resources and no gens (that's throwing), and if none of the Survivors can play around Eruption at all, it's just a waiting game.
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Both sides have an obligation to try to progress the game. 3 genning is fine. ONLY holding the 3 gen is not. The killer's objective is to kill, not saving the gens forever.
See this:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/521124/#Comment_521124
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As long as the survivors are trying to progress gens and running away out of self preservation, the survivors are in the clear here. You need to be attempting to do both of your objectives (finish gens, and survive), which it sounds like is the case here.
If the killer is holding gens but not attempting to down survivors or obtain kills for an extended time, they are ignoring their objective to kill survivors and causing the stalemate here.
In the scenario I described, which sounds like at least part of your match, the killer is the one in the wrong.
Source for BHVR's comment on this kind of scenario:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/521124/#Comment_521124
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we were really thinking he'd just get tired of doing it and start chasing us, apparently he was more suborn than we were lol.
But on that same point, why are we as survivors obligated to to just go kill ourselves, couldn't the same be said to the killer wasting his time and refusing to chase anyone?
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You have no obligation to hand out free kills. If you tried to repair, you were fine as far as rules are concerned. If the stalemate is worth investing your time, it's a decision that is yours to make and nobody else's business.
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I mean, if you stand outside the gens refusing to go near them unless the Killer chases you, and the Killer refuses to chase anyone at all, you're both in the wrong.
If you start gens but get off as soon as the Killer comes back, and the Killer starts chases but returns to the gens as soon as it seems like someone's going for them, then nobody's actually in the wrong, you're all just trying too hard and wasting time. No point trying to out-stubborn someone once it's not fun. xD
But Survivors aren't expected to commit to doing gens even when it immediately leads to being downed, and Killers aren't expected to commit to chases that are guaranteed to let gens get done, so it's going to happen. The problem is when no side even attempts to do it--i.e. Survivors won't go near the gens at all, or the Killer won't take an easy down/hook.
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BHVR are holding everyone hostage with introducting a P2W build on every killer that requires nothing other than knowing how to recognize a gen and press space.
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Yes... on both sides
Killer: for not chasing
Survivor: for not progressing a Gen
Also adding in the fact that the Killer found a 3 Gen at the start makes it seem like the Killer is at fault more then the Survivors
Just my opinion though
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I doubt any action will be taken for it because its basically a stubborness stand off. However to those criticizing and blaming the killer there are 2 important points,
1. The killer is not stopping you from trying to do gens, you are choosing not to do gens and preserving your health states, the killer isnt obligated to chase you cross map when you run away and lose the match because,
2. When the match reaches the end of game timer after 1 hour all survivors in the trial are automatically claimed by the entity, which is technically a win for the killer.
This example is flawed because a doctor keeping everyone in tier 3 actually does prevent the survivors from trying to do gens, which is what makes it different from a standard 3 gen scenario.
Disclaimer: I play both sides 50/50, and personally do not use 3 gen builds because I find them boring, I am simply just bringing calm knowledge to the discussion. Think of me as a Vulcan I have no emotional stake in this.
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You’re incorrect. If a survivor touches the generator but flees when the killer returns to that gen that survivor is in the clear (not holding the game hostage). If the killer simply stands by the three-gen they are not progressing the game. A couple of people linked to older posts where devs specifically commented this.
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No, the old posts are always talking about Doctor using his shock to force people off gens so no progress can be made, but never trying to chase or hook anyone. i.e. the Doctor COULD go for people but isn't. The Killer is intentionally making it so that the game can't progress, and making no attempt to do so himself.
I don't know how this keeps consistently being interpreted as "If you don't keep in a chase that will immediately make you lose, you're holding the game hostage".
Especially when the situation we're currently discussing did have the Killer hooking people until everyone was on death hook and it became a contest of who blinks first.
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The problem is the stalemate that occurs when the killer stops trying to down or kill survivors *for an extended period of time*.
It's not that 'holding a 3 gen' is the problem. *Most* games, the 3 gen is an incredibly useful tool for the killer because survivors will inevitably make a mistake and go down. The gens in that scenario are the means to that end, even if it takes a couple minutes for that mistake to occur. But the gens aren't the main objective, the killing is.
The difference is in holding a 3 gen for an 'extended time', like the 20 minute span where effectively nothing happened in the game. It is literally impossible for survivors to be trying to do those gens and never creating an opportunity for the killer to get a chance at a chase. The killer is just not doing it, and holding the gens instead of killing. That's the difference.
And the rest of the game before the stalemate is completely irrelevant. I'm sure he had hooks and downs, but then *stopped* to do nothing but guard the gens. In the flip scenario, it's not like survivors hiding for half an hour is suddenly ok because they did 2 gens 45 minutes ago. The problem is when one side completely forgoes their objective for an extended period and the game isn't or can't progress.
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Everyone always quotes this one, but that one was specifically talking about someone intentionally stalling the game out for the purpose of trolling. See (only downing and slugging, and refusing to move). In this 3-gen situation, if the killer downed someone, i have no doubt they would have hooked them.
Read the entire quote:
The 3 gen strat on its own is not bannable, it only become an issue when it's being used to grief instead of win.This sort of thing is an "intent" crime. Why should the killer throw the game away just because the survivors don't want to do their objective?
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Couple things here,
1. Survivors have 2 basic objectives, Do gens and power the gates, and escape. The only way to do the 2nd objective is to do the first, or have all your teammates die.
2. Killers also have 2 objectives, Prevent survivors from escaping, and kill them. The killers objectives are not mutually exclusive, if the killer kills all survivors, they are prevented from escaping. If the killer prevents the doors from being opened the survivors die. Both of the killers objectives complete the other one.
It is literally impossible for survivors to be trying to do those gens and never creating an opportunity for the killer to get a chance at a chase. The killer is just not doing it, and holding the gens instead of killing.A survivor choosing to run away is not an obligation to chase, killers drop chase all the time for all kinds of reasons, in this case it's because taking the chase would be detrimental to the killers objective of killing the maximum number of survivors.
The killer isnt doing anything to stop the survivors from trying to do gens (Aside from the example of Doctor spam shocking everyone to keep them in tier 3 madness where they literally cannot try to do gens), the survivors are choosing not to do gens to preserve health/hook states, blaming the killer for not chasing you and therefore throwing the game is ludicrous because, and I will say this clearly, When the match timer ends the survivors are claimed by the entity and the killer wins.
End of discussion.
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Ok so what do we do then .. throw ourselves at the killer? Maybe he)she will be merciful?
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-"A survivor choosing to run away is not an obligation to chase, killers drop chase all the time for all kinds of reasons, in this case it's because taking the chase would be detrimental to the killers objective of killing the maximum number of survivors."
Bingo! As long as the killer is trying to push the survivors off the gens and potentially down them then he is not stalling.
Some of the killers like Doctor can potentially stall the game forever because instead of downing survivors they just keep them in madness level three so they can't do gens and they can't even bleed out on the floor.
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I mean, when you get players like thia...
I'm well aware of the naming / shaming rule but this is clearly not the persons online identity and was likely changed after they stopped doing this, if this is still against the rules then I apologize, it's just an example of how the community can be.
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You tried to do the objective, you werent holding the game hostage. I wouldn't stress.
For future reference - when a killer starts a 3 gen from the start, try and break it first or die trying. It's the only way you'll avoid these looong games that follow. I'd rather die at the start of the game, than waste time doing the first 4 gens and then just have to give up later in order to move on. Also run Distortion. Alot of these 3 gen killers rely on Nowhere to Hide heavily and don't really look around. I broke a 3 gen on a Huntress the other day, by simply crouching down behind the gen while she kicked it and left. Tokens were replenished constantly because she and I both stayed in the same 3 gen zone.
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