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DBD, the game we all know and… love?
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Ugh you've clouded your own view of the player base and lost your objectivity.
Even if a player does play in a manner you don't like it doesn't make them a bad person or out to ruin your fun.
The only toxicity here is that which lives in your head and the game will never improve for you while it lives there rent free.
My advice is stop playing for a while seriously.
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Edit: I missed answering the first point. Sure the devs said hey its a party game but that doesn't mean it has to be specifically played as a party game and a party game only. Players will have different motivations to play and that's ok in fact its healthy.
Heck even a fun party game when played head to head can be played competitively. It is possible to engage in competition and not hate each other at the end over the outcome. That's called being a grown up.
I didn't call your personal experience false only that its hyperbolic in nature.
I lends itself to extremes which are likely not the genuine case and overblown to serve your point.
Saying "I lose a lot is different from saying I lose every game, the latter statement is an exaggerated version of I lose a lot.
Sorry but I don't buy that you are getting bled out every other game, but I'd wager you fixate on it when you do bleed out, making it feel like every other game. That fixation has led you to the forums today to commiserate with others whom also fixate on it
I'm also leaning toward the idea that you quit a lot when you do bleed out which is an assumption but one I'll put forward as you said the only option is to DC when stuck like that.
Yeah being slugged and bleeding out is part of the game, so yeah its gameplay.
Now a mechanic to bleed out quicker if you are the last player slugged might be a way to stop impatient people like yourself getting grumpy about it but like I said before we aren't discussing that are we.
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For a guy that says making assumptions about other people is bad you just rifled off about 8 on me lol.
I didn’t say it happens to me personally every other game, I said I see it happen every other game. One of my teammates will get tunneled, camped, or hardcore slugged every other game. This is my experience as of late. And no, I don’t DC when I get bled out for 4 minutes because I know it happens enough to the point where I’d be eating a 30 minute matchmaking penalty on the daily.
Stop acting so high and mighty and practice what you preach.
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No, I rather think I haven't.
There are good parts to the community, to be sure. Some VERY good parts.
There's far more bad than good on a day-to-day basis, however.
I could list out my extensive experiences that have made me think so lowly of the community, but I doubt anyone would care for that.
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I'm sure there is some genuine bad experiences, I've had my share in the online world too. It's inevitable when dealing with random strangers online and a real shame.
There are some real creeps out there.
But what we are talking about here are just in game mechanics that should have little to no real impact on people outside of the game. All that happened here is them not getting exactly the game experience they wanted.
You can't go around casting dispersions on the quality of a person just because when playing the villain in a computer game they try and play as the villain.
When you start drawing equivalency between the mechanics of a game and real world hurt and insult then you've lost your objectivity, nothing mechanically in this game should upset people to the extent that it does, nor does it justify people attacking each other's character.
You see it all the time on these forums.
"People only do this because they are out to ruin other people's fun",
"they are punishing other players for their own bad games",
"I only did this because they did that, which makes me a heroic fighter of justice and them a terrible person who deserved it"
"I have no hope for people who play like this"
If you always assume the worst of your opponent you'll only see the worst in your opponent and at that point all objective thought goes out the window and then you can perceive slight and offence in any scenario no matter how trivial.
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The points I've made while assumptive in nature are based on your arguments, see you can put forward an idea providing you have a unbiased rationale for it and can identify it as just an idea. I did both those things something most people posting here haven't done about their own assumptions.
Ok great so you don't DC but why then would you put it forward as the "only option" (those are your words) when faced with slugging/camping or other in game mechanics you don't seem to like? <- This is a legit question and the basis for any clearly identified assumptions I may have made about your play style.
Why would you propose people DC as their only option in response to in game mechanics? When that's blatantly untrue and against game and forum rules.
That strikes me as a very impatient mindset to have if you'd rather DC than wait out a game timer.
Ok so you see it every other game... well yeah you are going to see mechanics in game, camping, slugging and bleeding out are in game mechanics its not a revelation to say you see them frequently in game.
The question is if you fixate on these things because you think they are bad how often do you overestimate their impact?
How often do you call something camping/tunneling when it really isn't?
How often do you use them as excuses for bad game outcome?
How often does your dislike of these things override your ability to understand why someone might do that in game given the current game circumstances?
Have you ever asked yourself these questions before jumping on the game mechanics excuse bandwagon with the rest of the people who take this stuff to seriously?
I'm genuinely curious because you made some pretty concrete statements in this thread stating how you think the game should be played.
I'm not saying people never act maliciously in game but when you assume nothing but maliciousness all the time then your only ruining your own game experience so why do that to yourself?
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You kinda did that one to yourself. If i have the last survivor downed, and they crawl to a corner where it is impossible to hook them because of say a broken hook, i will leave them there to bleed out. You put yourself in that position, and i am making the best play to win at that point. If you don't want that to happen then stop struggling at the end and just let the killer end the game.
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You have kindred, and look at your team. You are all just sitting there staring. YOU are making camping be an effective strategy there. Go and do the gens, you'll get 3 of them done before the person is killed, then go do a hook trade. By the time the killer gets another down you should finish another gen, maybe even 2 because if they are camping the map should still be full of pallets for you to just predrop to your hearts content at that point.
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Don't they say 'if you don't have enough "evidence" to back up your arguments go after the man instead'? I think that's what most do when they make baseless assumptions. Seems very exhausting to me.
@ OP I hope your every other game is fun and you get to enjoy your leisure time!
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I literally just meant that your only options when getting bled out for 4 minutes are to wait doing nothing for 4 minutes or to DC. That’s it. You’re looking into this wayyyy too hard man.
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So the idea is to trade an in game bleed out wait for an out of game DC wait?
The alternative to the problem is to apply the same problem in a different form? 🤔
I'm just proposing some thoughts to take on before applying to other players a stringent idea of how you feel the game should be played.
Its been an interesting discussion and if we aren't here to discuss things, being a discussion forum... then why are we here?
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Ah yes, the Nurse who is smacking me on hook and "hump teching" me is definitely just playing the villain.
There's definitely no malice there. Definitely wasn't any in the Twitch Whisper they sent to me. Definitely weren't any slurs.
You can TELL when people are playing to win versus playing to be an ######### just for the sake of it. You can give them an excuse by saying, "oh, they're just role-playing" but that's ######### weak in my opinion. Your main goal shouldn't be TRYING to be an #########. You want to win at any cost? That's totally fine. You wanna make other people miserable because you think it's fun? Get help.
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This is the point I’ve been trying to make this whole time. It’s not hard to distinguish between people playing for wins and people playing to be #########. People aren’t bleeding out guys for 4 minutes because they’re scared they won’t get to a hook, they do it to get a reaction.
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"Ah yes, the Nurse who is smacking me on hook and "hump teaching" me is definitely just playing the villain." so what your saying is the person here doing what is essentially innocuous in game gestures is an &%$%&@ and not just a player.
That these in game gestures are equivalent to genuine slurs and emotional abuse? really?
The only thing that casts dispersion on the example person's character is the follow up DM, that is uncalled for and toxic and you shouldn't have to deal with that.
But to take your offence brush and paint all gameplay in a similar vein as motivated by the same thing and equivalent to real world pain thus demonizing any gameplay that you may not like as some form of direct personal attack is a gross error of judgement.
"I've had past experience with unpleasant people playing a particular way, that means all people who play like this are motivated by the same thing and are all terrible." That's a loss of objectivity.
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All I see here is someone excusing ######### behavior.
Disappointing.
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It's likely that they got hit on a gate, killer picked them up, saw it was impossible to hook them because hooks near the gate were gone, and they were wiggling. So what should the killer do in that situation if they want to secure the kill? Easy enough to just drop them. My point is, they were downed and had a 100% chance of losing at that point, so instead of just letting the killer get the kill, they tried to fight them, so the killer did what they had to, in order to ensure the kill. Basically, the killer countered their move and they are mad about it because they don't like how they countered their play.
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I like how their the ones that only read what they want to read and imagine everything else😂
OP said in at least 4 posts maybe more that there were plenty of hooks around the killer never picked them up or tried.
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Yeah and those are legit questions but they go largely unanswered forcing people to either move on and let it go, or risk conjuring up fanciful scenarios in their own head to villainize the opponent while justifying their own dislike of what happened.
As I've said all along... discussing whether a mechanic works or not is different from saying, "anyone who uses said mechanic is an arsehole."
One is an objective discussion the other is an emotional assumption.
So if you post an emotional assumption that is basically an attack on another person on the sole basis of a game mechanic and make all kinds of claims about how miserable is, then someone else is probably gonna say hey that's a bit over the top and they'd be correct... as its a bit ridiculous.
This is different again from saying "I don't like this mechanic here's why" because we are talking personal preference, which can lead to open discussion, but to say "Nobody likes this and it should be stopped" is a blanket statement with very little open discussion to be had that inflates the "I" in the preference to include "everyone."
I don't see how anyone defends points like these while claiming to hold an objective discussion as its the very opposite of objectivity.
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Screenshots don't show any evidence of this, and since survivors typically can't see the aura of hooks, it is likely that they didn't notice the hook was gone. But sure, assume the worst thing about people all the time, that'll get you far in life.
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I'm replying specifically to the person i quoted who said "I like how their the ones that only read what they want to read and imagine everything else"
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But, isn't that what your doing with OP assuming the worst.
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I'm looking at the evidence presented
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I'm just keeping an open mind.
Oni isn't here to defend his case so we have to go on what Steve says.
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