Team Eternal Got Disqualified From The Community Cup
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It seems kind of silly, but this is what happens in competitions. If one team sees a way to get another team disqualified on technicalities, they'll do it. It's also the case that sometimes the judges/admins aren't paying attention to all of the rules until someone who's more motivated (like the losing team) goes through the fine print and points it out.
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Only the Nic Cage player hears his voice lines.
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That happened in another tournament a few weeks ago too. They kept changing up the rules. They also said that all characters and builds must be pre-approved. A killer got their build approved. They played the match (in which the survivors actually broke one of these weird rules about how the match had to be played) and then aferward the killer was penalized for using a banned perk. That the admins had approved when they looked at his build. Thing is, it happened earlier in the tournament too. While yes, it is on the players to know and follow the rules, IMO why require builds to be approved if they are just going to approve invalid builds? Worst thing IMO is that the killer player got in trouble and the fact that the four survivors had broken a gameplay rule (no matter how dumb IMO that rule was) just got ignored.
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The man moans a lot and it's loud.
He's not quiet.
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So does Jeff. Ace does not.
There is a reason for the joke of survivor moans being on a scale of Ace to Jeff.
Also, you have Claire. I am a Claire main, and I know a streamer that used to joke with me and another streamer that was a Claire fan that we were going to get him banned from Twitch by playing her in his streamed games. So, we played in a match with him with both of us playing Claire and running No Mither, just to troll him.
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I think to make the community cups more interesting, BHVR should implement a rule that forbids teams who have won previously to participate again with the same roster. Eternal has won most of the EU cups, I think.
Also, while it's definitely a highly questionable rule (albeit not as completely asinine as people make it out to be, either: a new survivor could be bugged in some way, and the two weeks are there as a general safety buffer to be able address any such potential issues before allowing the use in their tournaments), and rather poor sportsmanship on the other team for reporting on it, I do have a feeling that Eternal might well have done the very same thing had they lost to a team using Cage. In either case, this definitely should not have resulted in a DQ, that's utterly asinine indeed. Even replaying the match would have felt laughable, but it would still have been much more reasonable...
It is an unfortunate situation, and I do agree with edgarpoop who earlier in the thread talked to the fact that the ruling system complexity for DbD tournaments is a fairly unfortunate situation altogether and poses a barrier for many players to enjoy or indeed to succeed in that environment. Even with a by now fairly standardized ruleset between various tournaments, point penalties and restarts happen all the time. I haven't done a "study" on just how impactful that can end up being over the course of the tournaments, but I do believe that one of the things that sets the top teams apart and makes them more reliably succeed is the fact that they are intimately familiar with rulesets, having played under them for years. And this is not only about penalties and such either, it's also that they don't have to worry so much about committing ruling offenses, not spend as much time familiarizing themselves with the rules, which all can take away from playing to one's potential.
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Completely agree. The Wraith sounds more like The Tattletale.
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Aye, it's a real embarrassment. It's a shame too, because ETR has shown a lot of class in the past. They've had sets that they won because of a penalty on the other team, that they were okay restarting because they didn't want to win on a technicality. It's shameful that someone would get demolished then dig so deep for a reason why they shouldn't have lost.
Ace and Ada are both allowed. What's your point?
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Yes the Wraith was salty, but Survivors arent just skins. The Survivors are different in how loud they are. For Example if you play against Steve you can hear him very well, when he is injured. An Ace you would heal at all.
Also new Survivors can have Soundbugs and the rule prevent the abuse of this. (Even if no one abuse something in this Situation).
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They can read so this isnt an excuse.
In RL its the same. Not knowing is not an excuse. If it would be one you could steal what ever you want without getting arestted
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No this rule has a reson why it exists and should stay everyone can read so it shouldnt be a Problem.
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Nic Cage is one of the loudest Survivors
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If I say "No running, sprinting, or jogging!" through the hallway and you take a bicycle, you've misunderstood the obvious message which was "don't go fast"But if you say don't take a bicycle, and you take a bicycle, you've broken the rule.
You are arguing the inverse. You are giving an example of where something is not specifically banned, but the intent of the rule makes it clear it should be. However, the rule clearly bans new survivors. If the rule said something like "after something new is introduced, it may not be used for two weeks" and you argued new survivors were outside the spirit, sure, that would make sense. Maybe its a mistake on the part of whoever wrote the rule, but the rule clearly lists survivors as a new thing that cannot be used.
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Please remember that Battlefly are the tournament organisers for the Community Cups and they are the ones that are responsible for the rules and enforcing them.
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Yh but this is a rule compared to a law, they are not gonna face jail time lol. Yes they broke a rule but I am just making the point that it probably slipped their mind. Regardless of that it does not also erase the fact that this should not be a rule to begin with since what advantage does playing Nicolas cage actually give them? lol
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"This rule exists to give people more time to learn new content that is was added."
it's not about having an advantage, it's about letting people have enough time to learn new content, as quoted by the person who originally made this thread. nic cage's perks could suck and he could be the loudest survivor ever for all this rule cares but he's still not allowed in the cup until 2 weeks has passed because that's just... how they do things.
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It's a stupid rule but it's also not BHVR hosting the event. Private groups can do whatever they want. If you want to put together a petition for the event organizer requesting a rule change then go for it. I'll sign it. But otherwise, posting about it here doesn't really accomplish much.
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Makes you wonder if Bingbong would've reported them afterwards had they been the one to 4k and not the survivors.
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Did you read my second point? Even if there is no bug or something with Nic some new survs can have some, the rule is important and everyone can read the rules so it was a mistake made by Ethernal. Also if there would be an other not so popular team no one would care about that.
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Yes there is no problem with nic, but what if another new survivor has sound bugs and not many know about them. In a tournement this would be freaking bad. This rule is important and need to stay.
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It's a stupid rule.
Standing by it.
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It might actually be things like moans and screams that they made the rule for, but not due to volume. Alot of times, people can recognize a character based off the unique sounds alone. If someone jumps out of a locker while I have iron maiden for example... I can ID which person is exposed based off the scream to know who to hit. If a character is new though... ppl may not be able to recognize them as easily.
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they shouldnt have let the losing team nullify a legitimate loss and get the point on top of that. the match was played on purpose bc they knew nic cage is no different than claudette morel in gameplay and wanted to practice and waste ppl's time knowing they're gonna get a free win anyway
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Normally, in tournaments if you break the rules you're either getting DQ'd or point deductions depending on how the ruleset is put together.
This is what I would call an unforced error. The Eternal players didn't double check the rules, the TOs didn't callout the illegal pick during the lobby, nor did they call it during the in progress match. There was a complete breakdown from top to bottom and the result is that the opposing team had the ammunition necessary to take a W on a technicality.
Considering the format of the tournament a DQ and point deduction are basically same strength of punishment. So, Eternal were boned no matter what at that point. This would be true for basically every competitive setting for games as it is very rare where the bracket isn't preserved by declaring the opponent de facto winner if their opposition is DQ'd.
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Oooh that’s a really good point. Not knowing which survivor screamed would make perks like Iron Maiden/Make Your Choice less useful.
Even just not recognising the moans of a character could make it harder for you.
This makes the rule seem more fair honestly.
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I get that but survivors are just skins, you can even legitimately get killer skins that change their sounds but those are not banned. Its how they do it and its their rules etc. However, I still think its a bit much literally banning what is basically a skin.
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I guess that is true. I think though if there was a sound bug that specific survivor would/should be banned from being used since it goes beyond more than just being a skin then and is a legit advantage.
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well i can't do anything about it and i didn't make the rule so...
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So realistically how does a round start when a banned character is clearly in a lobby? Are admins not present during these tournaments in the first place in lobby?
I don't play comp DBD so I don't know how this works. Just seems silly having an unsupervised round in a tournament without tournament officials present to call this out in the first place. I get the rule itself but to me it's something that if it goes under the radar very blatantly from the lobby I feel it isn't an issue. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a lot of unreported scenarios like this but no one reports them because it's not an actual issue.
Regardless - This topic could be used to introduce to normal players how comp dbd works.
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Lol Mandy trying to turn the community's vitriol away from BHVR. I respect it.
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Sad to see teams cheating by not following rules. Will they be allowed back or banned from future tournaments?
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Survivors make different noice volumes. Hell I'm pretty sure male and female survivors have different footstep noises on grass.
In normal play, sure it's basically just a skin; but in much more intense games like tournaments, new breathing sounds can throw killers off.
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No its not. This rule exits in every comp game for a reson. To stop unknown bug abuses on the new Charakters. Even if on Player has figured out a bug for a new Charakter and he/she dont play comp its still reson enough to let new Charakters looked.
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I never said you could nor did I say you should. I am just simply explaining the logic.
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you didn't explain any logic, you just said your opinion and said something about killer skins which is irrelevant to the conversation, which is fine, but don't oversell yourself.
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Although I understand the frustration and the fact of the matter that they were using him just as a "cosmetic", the thing is the opposite doesn't KNOW that they're also NOT using his perks. Which can throw someone off, because they might be second-guessing a lot of what happens in a trial. Which is unnecessary. It is a rule for a reason.
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Yes there are officials who observes the lobbies and the match. No idea why they didn’t call out Cage. Maybe they didn’t think it mattered until the opposing team called out the violation.
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no. it's to give people time to adjust to the character, what they sound like, where they can blend in etc.
nothing to do with the perks.
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What's done is done. - But that is a rule that should be revised.
Outside of unknown bugs there is no argument that comes close to justifying banning a newly released survivor - and even that is very shaky: this rule would have to apply to every updare for every character since it's a well established fact that even completely unrelated updates can make e.g. screams of some survivors that have been in the game for years disappear. Aka after every update every character has a chance to be bugged in that way. Not having a tournament up until two weeks after every update (even if it's just a bugfix patch) seems rather impractical.
Though, apparently BHVR isn't the correct addressee for that. Time to figure out how to let Battlefly know, I guess.
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Yes Chadku it does say in the "Tournament Restrictions" "Anytime a new Killer, Survivor, Perk, or Item is added to the game, they are unable to used in the tournament for 2 weeks from the release date of the Community Cup."
But this would make sense in the fact that Using a new Killer or Survivor with their perks. The Tournament Restrictions don't state the use of any new killer and or Survivor with or without using their perks. This is not clear enough. This language isn't clear enough and the Team Eternal shouldn't be Disqualified From The Community Cup. Im sure my lawyer friends could fight this.
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