Nurse is too strong
Can Nurse get a proper nerf?
A proper rework?
Can she not be a scapegoat for developers to say "Well the game isn't P2W because Nurse is free"!
No...the game will be P2W,but there will be the Killers and Nurse.
This doesn't change the fact that Nurse is simply another level.
Facing a Nurse as a solo or duo is exactly like facing a SEAL Team as freaking Trapper!
Now...we just need to have people play/carry with others for money and we'll have the Survivor P2W version.
The Shrine is entirely a new level of scapegoat to avoid P2W accusations..
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A garbage? Which one?
Can Nurse get a proper nerf?
A proper rework?
Can she not be a scapegoat for developers to say "Well the game isn't P2W because Nurse is free"!
No
no
They do not say that. WE do.
Also, the shrine is old...
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Nurse has gotten nerfed several times. Asking for a nerf in the blanket term rather than something specific doesn't really help the conversation. As long as the killer is USABLE, you're gonna have people who excel with her.
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Nurse doesn't need anything.
Every week this is posted because someone ran into a nurse and didn't like the results.
Against nurse you can't sit on gens you have to work and move. You can't loop endlessly and spam pallets, it is a different way of avoiding her with breaking los of trying to outguess her versus just pressing "w" and going left around a pile of stuff.
I honestly think the reason people want her nerfed is because they don't want to learn how to counter her.
Play Nurse. See her limitations and you'll see how to counter her and what you can do to be better against her. Honestly, I wish the devs would give us more killers that can just by-pass loops and make the game different. It's refreshing.
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Heres the thing, killers have a sort of power curve as the game progresses. Most of them generally follow the rule of weak at the beginning, but stronger as the game progresses. There are a few exceptions to this how ever, like Singularity or Freddy.
Nurse how ever plays her own game and doesnt get stronger, she is already at her full potential the moment the game starts and that potential is significantly higher than the large majority of the cast. Even Blight who is not far behind her in terms of strength still follows that power curve.
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I don't mind Nurse. She adds variety to the game.
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At some point, it's a skill issue.
Distance addons: gone
Recharge reduction addons: gone
Addons in general: gone
You even got her only real way to attack into a special attack ruining every tome challege to hit survivors with your weapon.
All this within the past year or two. Do you even see that many Nurses? I see more people complaining about Wesker.
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Unpopular opinion:
Blight has been the strongest killer in the game since they butchered Nurse’s Add-ons.
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She needs one blink only
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You dont see Nurses anymore because they made her just as unfun to play as she is to go against
You cant build off of a foundation made of noodles, she needs to be rebuilt from the ground up
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I could see your point... if blight didn't have bad maps.
I would still disagree, but I believe an argument could be made
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Yeah, you are right about it. This is indeed unpopular opinion.
Because even your best Blight build won't be stronger then normal Nurse build. Blight can't ignore sone pallets and vaults but Nurse can ignore anything she want.
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She's a flat line the entire game though. Myers is slow, then tier 3 madness he is a 1 hit machine of death.
She's just the same the entire match and I truly believe the only reason people come on here and scream "NERF NURSE" is because they don't want to have to change their gameplay style. She stops gen rush teams. You camp a gen long enough, she's going to get you. You can't run the same loops, you have to actually outsmart and outplay her. It's an awesome challenge and a nice break from, go to gen, chase survivor, eat pallet, loop, down. Repeat.
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Sally's only saving grace is that she takes skill to play which makes her skill-floor too high for most players so she's rarely played, and she's played well even less so.
Even killers like hag can be interesting if you only see them once in awhile.
Doesn't mean that playing vs a competent Nurse isn't extremely unfun and unrewarding. I don't like having every interaction boil down to a 50-50.
Being as though most Nurses are a free win I don't think her rework should take priority over Chess Merchant and Blight though, they both should get nerfed/reworked first.
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It would go a long ways if teammates would use stealth against her instead of jumping straight to the last resort. Nurse has the strongest chase advantage of any killer, so it makes sense to avoid chase until absolutely necessary.
A searching Nurse at any skill level wastes more time than a good one in chase.
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People defending nurse like it doesn't take 1 video and 5 games with any competence to start stomping everyone. Her base kit power is the issue, not the add-ons that got gutted. Walk until safe blink and it's free without any extreme LoS. This character is so overhyped in terms of skill I have no idea what to say about, other than dbd players being bad.
Her skill floor is the highest but 5 games isn't asking much and that's giving leniency to the dbd player base.
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I take you play nurse yourself, yes?
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Only nerf she needs is light born back, and perhaps re enable stun into fatigue when getting pallet stunned
Other than that, skill issues
Basekit, nurse is stronger. But when using all the strongest stuff available, blight is far stronger than nurse right now
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I disagree with that. Blight has problematic add-ons for sure but even with them he can't beat the Nurse.
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A few months ago shortly after the Nrse addon change Hens333 and his friends made a showcase for Nurse VS Blight and they basically came to the conclusion that without addons Nurse is stronger than Blight, but with addons Blight is a lot stronger than Nurse since her addons don't really make her that much more powerful.
Blight has some tiles that he cannot outplay with his power and needs to break the pallet, but in relation to the total amount of pallets in a map it is like 1-3 pallets at most, similar to MDR Spirit. But then again some tiles, mostly houses also offer far more counterplay against nurse because of the many different paths you can take.
Even before most of her good addons got removed the difference in strength was not that big between Nurse and Blight, and now with addons he is the best killer in the game.
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This is the video I was referring to above btw.
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Just for clarity, when I said with addons I meant with all addons, included the strongest one, so basically when it comes to the full potential of the killer.
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She's overpowered and breaks the game. Anyone saying otherwise is literally just wrong. She's not even hard, learn Blink and you just win every single game. If you get good enough at 1 thing you auto win the game, that's not okay.
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Why is her kill rate so low then if she is so easy to play and completely broken? Why does Nurse not always win in comp, why does an ordinary player not win against a comp team as Nurse? You should not be so fast to use absolutes when making a point... Nurse has things you can do against her to delay her long enough to win the game, and there is still a big difference in skill when it comes to playing the Nurse, most Nurse players are just not good and you can outplay them rather easily. The amount of God nurses is really not that high overall...
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Exactly, shes a flat line the entire game but is higher than a good chunk of killers. Wanna know the last killer that was even remotely close to the same? OG Legion.
Its not about Survivors needing to change it up to go against her, its about their one resource given to them being basically useless thanks to a power that is fundamentally flawed and has 0 requirements to activate. The absolute worst part is you can 100% make an argument that Nurse is better than all the "power up" killers when their power is active
Myers - Enough said
Plague - Needs to go out of her way to get her power, can be taken out of her power, fairly map dependent
Oni - Slightly worst mobility with the trade off of an insta down, only killer who could actually stand up to Nurse if he was in power for the entirety of the game, but is limited to a 45 second timer (which becomes shorter when hitting Survivors and dashing)
Trickster - Limited mobility, very map dependant
Nemesis - Great at staying on a Survivor as he is the Relentless Pursuer. Nurse does it better as the ######### is a wall/pallet
Pinhead - Power isnt necessarily controlled by him and offers little in chase, just passive slow down
Dredge - Very map dependant
Singularity - Limited in its usage and has a slow start up
There is no reason for a killer to better than basically all of these killers at their strongest with no activation requirement.
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You could even say that she is not a flat line but gets stronger as by more gens being done the effective map size shrinks, since there is not really a need to go to places without chases.
But besides that it is a good thing that you cannot really burn through resources against nurse, would be terrible if she could just delete entire line of sight blockers...
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Pre rework Sadako had the highest kill rate in the game while also being one of the worst. Kill rate is a horrible statistic to go off of.
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Then why doesn't everyone play her if she is so easy?
I play both sides pretty evenly, it is either what side has the blood point bonus, what side I have a task for or what I feel like doing. When I run survivor, I rarely see a Nurse in a match.
So if she is completely OP and breaks the game, why is it not her every other match? Because that blink you call easy, takes time to learn and get good at. Yes, the top Nurse players make it look easy and steam roll people but the top players of any killer make it look easy.
Again, the reason people hate Nurse is simply because they have to play a different game style.
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Furthering the fact that survivor mains hate Nurse because they have to play a different playstyle. It isn't just walk to gen, do gen and loop and repeat.
You have to skip gens, get to the middle and move out so you create space for the final gen. It's not brain dead gen rush, it's a thinking game for 1 match.
Again, this is good for the game. She makes people do something different once in awhile.
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Recharge, Range addons and M2 being basic attacks (Starstruck nurse) were the last changes Nurse needed. If anything, I'd like to see the Bookmark buff reverted (put it back to 50% penalty recharge), but Nurse is in a very good place right now.
As a Blight main, I'd like to see Blight get an addon pass next. Alch Ring/Vial/C33 can no longer continue to exist in their current configuration. Tone them down slightly and rework the problematic/weak killers (SM, Knight, Freddy, Nemmy's zombies).
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I'm fine the way she is. Leave Sally alone.
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And I'm fine the way Trickster is
Doesn't mean he's not problematic for the LARGE majority of the community, same can be said for Nurse and several other killers
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What is wrong with Trickster? Besides the point where is just a less skillfull huntress and does not do any tricks like his name would suggest...
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He's either oppressive in some areas (low walls/cover) and basically useless in others. Theres no depth playing as him, or against him. He also has the same issue that OG Legion used to have, in the sense that if a Trickster wants you down, youre going to go down regardless of how good you are.
Coming from an ex Trickster main btw.
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I learned her like a year and a half ago. Played probably 25 games.
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Yeah, thats basically the flaw of his general design being similar to huntress but having way more knives than she has hatchets.
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I will always be neutral in regards to blight, his add-ons can amp him so much that he can actually be stronger than nurse.
85% of nurse's total power level comes from base kit, blight can increase his total power level depending on add-ons and survivor skill level(so we call it 250% increase against equal opponents). Iri-tag/alch ring will pub stomp 90% of teams although it requires a lot of skill, but c33/green speed will win against insane comp teams.
The argument in regards to having something capable of going up against super strong .01% comp teams running everything at their disposal isn't up for me to decide.
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Oh, so. They made her unfun to play as was just a front. You don't care if she's terrible to play as long as survivors are happy.
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10/10 logic
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There is no such thing as counterplay for a good nurse. You are going down quickly regardless of how good you are. The only way to beat a good nurse is to be in discord and have comp level efficiency on gens which 99.999% of survivors don't have. The fact that DBD has basically no functional matchmaking system doesn't help with the frustration of playing against nurse. If sweaty nurses were only matched with 5k hour survivors who play in SWFs then it wouldn't be a big deal. At least then they'd be cut off from the casual players who stand zero chance against her. This hasn't happened since Behavior is terrified of putting sweaty players into games with other sweaty players for whatever reason. OP killers should have much stricter matchmaking than they currently do. That would solve a lot of the problems.
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The matchmaking isn't stricter because a. Killer variety: you would only get nurse Blight spirit and b. There are just not enough good players there was a time when mmr was first introduced where dowsey waited for like 2 hours in queue with twins and couldn't find a game...
As for the counterplay there really aren't that many good nurses in this game... This is the entire problem with matchmaking not working properly 99% of players are just not that good... You will not encounter a really good killer player that often... But sure if you get Knightlight Nurse or Alf the game ends in two to five minutes with nothing you could have done... But the game just does not have that many top players and most of them play scrims and 1v1 only because matchmaking is so bad they won't get practise from normal games. Just watch comp games with nurse and then compare it to the footage of Nightlights 500 no perks addons nurse streak, there is stuff you can do in chase to delay her, almost all people are just not able to apply it because for survivor side goes the same, most people are just not good at the game.
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people have already voted to change it in a recent poll. what they write on the forum "she's fine" and so on no longer matters. this broken killer should be reworked, we just don't know when, so we're still suffering
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Oh so a poll decides what the developer wants to do next? She already got changed like 5 months ago, do you really think she will get touched in the near future? There bigger problems now: Bad map design, Blights Addons, Bad chase musics, that give people headaches, Skull Merchant and many more... Nurse is probably gonna stay the way she is for quite some time now.
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Also while you're suffering you might as well take some time to learn how to play against nurse:
Maybe those tutorials help you, because there are things you can do and for some reason Hens for example can last quite some time against a nurse in chase... Have fun.
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I don't need your guides dude. I have 6 thousand hours in this game since 2018. I could make my own tier-list of killers, I could write guides and shoot videos of my games. these are public matches, not real money esports games, so some things need to be fixed, like Wesker in 2 out of 3 games
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If you have 6 k hours, which is probably similar to the amount of hours Hens or Otzdarva has, why are you still having problems with Nurse? Against way less experienced players?
Also Wesker in 2 out of 3 games are you serious? The reason people play Wesker is because he is both fun to play and quite strong, what do you want to do about people playing a certain killers? I mean yeah sure it would be great if many killers where as popular as Wesker. But that would require more killers to be on a level with Wesker when it comes to what makes him popular. I totally would not mind, Wesker is great to go against and play.
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Also I would say there always needs to be a certain depth to gameplay when you want to keep players longtime, so there should be a lot of things that require time to learn, for example certain techs on killers and survivors if you don't have stuff like that you can spend time in learning the game would become boring incredibly fast. I'm sure it takes a lot of time to become a good survivor and killer but I don't think that is something bad, I'm sure there are a lot of things that could be done to make it easier for players to aquire that skill, maybe have a 1v1 mode so you can practise against a certain killer easier or having a centralized platform that contains guides for the techs and tricks you can do or killer and survivor guides on checkspots or how to run certain buildings. Yeah sure those things don't really apply to nurse and you cannot always do the same thing against her, but I like that you have to try different things and figure out which ones work against that specific player.
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do not compare me with people for whom dbd it's work. I'm talking about Otz and others. Wesker is as easy to learn and strong as possible, it does not bring any fun. if he was in 1 game out of 10, everyone would be "fun", but I'm already tired of him, like many others. experienced Nurse has no counterplay, especially if you are with random players, which are the majority. this dialogue does not make sense, so I end
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Why should I not compare you based on the amount of hours? Also as far as I know Hens already put a lot of hours into it before he made streaming his job, same goes for comp players, they don't earn enough with it to make it "their job" so what is even your point?
I think Wesker is easy to learn the basics of but has some depth in it with all of his techs. Some killers are just unfun to against not matter how often you encounter them, or would a 3 genning skull merchant be fun to go against if it was only 1 time every 100 games?
That comment about nurse makes no sense basically because if a killer has counterplay or not most of the time does not depend on your team, the counterplay should be available in chase, if you have a bad team against an oni and the baby dwight just gives him his power in ten seconds you will probably loose the game if the oni knows what he is doing, but oni still has counterplay, baby dwight just didn't play safe to deny onis power...
Saying a killer has no counterplay if you are playing with people who have no clue how the game works is a ridiculous argument. From their perspective that's true, but since they have no clue how the game works everything has no counterplay what do you expect? There are many people that don't know that Legion can grab you out of a locker while in ferral frenzy and you expect them to be to know in depth about 32 killers? I don't think the problem is that certain counterplay is too much it is just that people don't take time to learn how to play against certain things, but you cannot help that. If you don't spend some time to get better how can you complain that you loose?
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So again, it isn't a Nurse issue. We have come back to the match making issue.
The average Nurse player of which is probably 90% of the playerbase can be countered. If you run into one of the top Nurse players it is no different then a top any killer, it just ends quicker because she can skip past all your pallets and loops.
There is nothing wrong with her, there is obviously something wrong matchmaking and that's been a common theme in every thread on this forum.
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Fully agree, the problem with the concept of matchmaking in this game is also that the ability to be good in chase does not entirely correlate with the ability to escape, that and that the game does not have enough really good player to allow them to have proper matchmaking results in basically no better matchmaking than the old emblems systems these days the mmr rating in games is widely spread but at least the game can tell you fairly accurate who will win wow what a great accomplishment...
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