The Skull merchant lore
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I'm not cherrypicking anything, I'm responding to each of your points in turn and addressing how they relate to your wider point- or at least, the wider point you conveyed to me, which is that Skull Merchant's lore is badly written due to how it fails to justify the unbelievable things that Adriana does.
So, then, discussing how the things she does aren't that unbelievable and are textually justified is directly responding to you, wouldn't you agree?
To continue: The lore passage you copy-pasted here literally says it was longer than five years, in fact. Eighteen when she got enough money to start, "mid-20s" (so, at least 25) when she was doing it regularly. That's at least seven years, not two.
You keep talking about investment as though it's some immensely complicated thing you need years of study to master, and while I'm not about to say I could go and do it skilfully, I do know enough to know that that's not the case. All she'd really need to learn is the way those systems function on a basic level, which is exactly the kind of thing you'd learn in the kinds of books you can pick up at the library. Again, there are people IRL who have achieved this, and most of them - to my knowledge - had about the same priming for it that Skull Merchant did.
One thing I am doing here, and I'll freely admit to it, is that I'm applying actual analysis and critique to the work as provided to me. Rather than cherrypicking specific sentences and asking bad-faith rhetorical questions, I read it, paid attention to what was said, and then also interpreted it as a piece of fiction, not a wiki page. You do, as a matter of fact, have to meet a piece of writing halfway and apply some extremely basic interpretation before it can fairly be critiqued, otherwise you end up with the level of understanding you'd see displayed in the average CinemaSins video.
At this stage, after demonstrating some of the things you've said are completely wrong and the others are rather bad-faith and overblown, I think the point has been made thoroughly. Anyone who still thinks the Skull Merchant's lore is significantly worse than the average and any worse than simply "fine, but flawed" has already made up their mind not to meet it halfway or apply any good-faith interpretation, so I don't think there's much more I could say to change their mind.
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"By her mid 20'" means untill she was around 25. So its "up to" 7 years, not "at least".
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Kind of a difference without distinction in this context. It's about how much time she had to invest to achieve her goal, so it happening over the course of seven years is still a rebuttal to the point I was responding to.
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Hidden lore of Matrix Trilogy: That's absurd. Like, completely absurd and contradicted with many things along the saga including where they explicitly explain what Smith is.
Hidden Lore of Original Star Wars: Of course it was confirmed, for the simple fact that Luke never finished his Jedi training. You only need to see the movies to know that and even the Simpsons made a joke about it. If they changed that in the last trilogy then I wouldn't know because I refused to sit through that audiovisual torment.
Hidden Lore of Skull Merchant: ...
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We are not here to discuss about lore of other media, but if you incist:
- Watch Matrix trillogy again, haiving what i said in mind. I will not explain every detail here, but watching trillogy with that info would make lot of sens. but few examples: Smith is "disconnecting" from main software by removing his headphone while interrogating Morpheus in first film which should not be possible for ordinary program. he also said that he was there from beggining of the Matrix, yet we know that "Agents" are quite new programs. In second film, Smith came back and put himself together after being broken by Neo.. this is unusual at least. In third film, Matrix rebooted only after Smith become connected to the core through possesing Neo while he was directly connected to the core. By the Oracle, its the chosen one who was supposed to reboot the Matrix. Also, only Oracle knew who is "The Chosen One" and she said that "its not NEO, or at least not yet", she did not said that he WILL be the chosen one.
- About Luke not being a jedi. He was always reffer to himself as jedi and lot of people believed that. This hidden lore was not hidden very deep, but it was not said by anyone it has to be seen and understood by audience, this is why its "hidden" lore.
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Well, her story is that she never fails
-At no time did the site fail or have problems and everything on the manga site was in perfect order
-She made no mistake in her practical life, not a single mistake. Everything is as she wants
-She managed to invent high-tech drones, invent a claw with razor-sharp blades on the first try, and never had failed prototypes.
-She has never failed in her life of crime and she has never made the mistake of killing them, if she wants to kill someone she will kill him and she will never fail in that.
So do you want me to believe that she is a woman full of intelligence, cunning, and strength, and that she cannot commit even one small mistake in her life?
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Why would the site failing or having problems possibly be required or even relevant to her story? What would that add to the lore, genuinely, if it were included?
What mistakes are we supposed to have seen in her practical life, too? Does constantly getting into trouble for being aggressive and violently competitive not count? Hell, does becoming a serial killer because of jealous spite not count as a flaw?
We didn't see anything about the drones or whether she invented them, which is an issue of its own but not one of her never failing.
Why would it improve her story for her to fail in killing someone? She's a killer. Surely, when designing a killer for DBD, you start from the premise that they're going to be good at killing people?
So... yes. I think it's a fair thing for you to believe that she's intelligent, cunning, and successful. It's not even close to unbelievable, because most of her accomplishments are either pretty grounded in reality or are just, the obvious baseline any killer in DBD would be able to achieve.
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Did she produced drones and claws by herself? Or someone manufactured this for her? If its the first, then its even less plausable. If the second, then its less believable that noone never asked her a tough questions.
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Yes, it is required. In Caleb's story, it was mentioned that he failed or made a mistake in some parts of his story, and this gave the story more realism.
Everyone in life will make mistakes sooner or later, but Adriana is portrayed as a person who never makes mistakes.
I am even surprised at how she can carry a heavy weapon with only one hand, even though she has no background that she entered a gym or that she trained for that.
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Caleb's weapon had failed prototypes. That isn't the equivalent of Adriana's teenage website needing to be shown having technical issues or whatever, that'd be pointless bloat.
If they showed her designing the drones, yes, some reference to failed prototypes would be a good call. But they didn't, so there's not really anywhere in her lore that failure would be particularly relevant or impactful, it just wouldn't make a difference.
We don't see her day to day life, we only see a handful of situations where it's expected she'd do well. It wouldn't add anything to arbitrarily say "oh also this one time something bad happened".
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It is mentioned that she used the prototype Dorn and has a prototype sharp claw in her skins
But it is not mentioned in her story who got that knowledge in order to invent these inventions
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Merchant's weapon is designed so that it distributes its weight fairly well from her shoulder all the way down to her wrist. It's literally strapped to her shoulder and motorized so while it may be heavy it isn't really going to slow her down. Also, she does train and quite a bit considering her map is literally designed to show this with gouged and sliced up target dummies. As for her picking up and carrying someone, do you believe that all 4 members of Legion can do that? What about Trickster? All of them around about the same physical build of Merchant. Deathslinger has a bad leg and still manages to carry people.
You're trying to apply hyper rational logic to situations where they don't apply. You're literally trying to strawman debate every single minute detail only to have basically everyone else disagree with you on the particulars because what we do know about her from the back story we were given, her physical design, and the details of her map prove in most regards that you're straight up wrong.
Yes, people can do a multitude of things when they are scared, as I said fear is complex. Yet, the vast majority of people when threatened with death aren't in state where their mind is going to become hyper rational and smoothly breakdown every option they have. You have the benefit sitting at a computer not under the pressure time and violence to consider those things. Even career soldiers who've spent a lot of time in active warzones still talk about how easy it is to get overwhelmed psychologically when their lives are on the line. You can only process so much information and spikes in concentration aren't always good. You're at risk of hyper focusing on the details rather than just taking any action all. What do you think people mean when they say some is in a state of shock?
Her back story isn't gonna win any writing prizes and it isn't going to scan if you come at it from a place of looking for the most realistic standpoint. She's not real, she's a character in a videogame, a videogame in which half the cast are cheesy horror movie tropes or just actual characters from actual horror movies and a streaming show. Now if you want, I can explain to you how Skull Merchant has some relation to at on real world serial killer.
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There is a difference between being a killer in your own world and being in the entity world
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Skull Merchant lore is implying that its set in real world, or something simmilar to real world, yet it also portrayed her as Tony Stark but without his parents buisness that gave him a head start... this is unrealistic, especially in real world.
Tho if we assume that she is set not in real world but rather in some manga world, where anything can happen and where protagonist is always the best... then all of this may have sens.
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Why do people act as if child prodigies don't exist and that going to private school isn't a massive head start in both building a knowledge base and social or professional connections early in life. Merchant's childhood had the barest amount of struggle only after her father's manga fell out of publication, but before that she was basically born into decent bit of money. Also why do people keep acting like her building things is some sort of insane unrealistic feat when you can literally order a drone building kit on amazon and just go to town. It's not super hard to become hobbyist maker, there is an entire industry dedicated to making it as easy as possible. It's actually a pretty popular thing to do in a lot of countries and has significant overlap with cosplay communities.
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The problem is that she is the lucky lady who never makes a mistake, and all this is under the justification that she is smart
Well, she was smart enough to create a weapon with a strange and distinctive design that would expose her on an investigation in case they found bodies.
And she was smart enough also that she takes companies after killing them, and this will raise suspicions, and also if it is requested from sites such as Amazon, then this will also expose her. Why does a woman working in companies ask for such tools?
It's like she says: I am smarter than everyone and everyone is like animals
Yes, everyone was oblivious, and no one asked (Do you notice a relationship between the disappearance of employees and that woman taking that company?)
And the police were very poor in searching for the missing and did not know how to ask people about the last place they were seen
And none of the victims told his partner, wife, children, or anyone else that he was going to meet a woman who did not know the feminine taste in a suspicious place. (Why? Because she has sharp intelligence!)
What is her plan to kill them? Let them run in a forest and I follow them, NO! my feet are weary! It's okay, I have a sharp IQ (problem solved)
After chasing and killing them, what now?
She will need to walk a long distance and she does not have anything to eat😔 It's okay I have a sharp wit! She whistles and summons a horse from the RDR and comes out of its woods (And then she kills the horse because she read that from the manga)
That manga taught her how to be smart, and lethal, and she also ignored all humans and became smarter than them.
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And none of the victims told his partner, wife, children, or anyone else that he was going to meet a woman who did not know the feminine taste in a suspicious place. (Why? Because she has sharp intelligence!)
This is second or third time you've brought up this perceived lack of femininity. To get this out of the way, what the hell does that have to do with anything? Bringing this up and being incorrect about it I might add doesn't help your arguments. It actively hurts them because basically it's a weird attack on the character's expression of their gender which really isn't factor here. It's making very difficult to take you seriously and you're starting to come off pretty misogynistic.
Her weapon is distinctive, but that is more of a visual issue than anything. The wounds it leaves would the same sort of slashing and piercing wounds you'd get from someone wielding long knives or short swords. Things that a pretty common to come across and while her victims see her with the weapon literally no else sees until she encounters Thalita and Renato. You can't look for a weapon you don't know exists and has been used in the commission of a crime. To know a crime took place people have to find the bodies which seem and the first thought isn't going to be "these people were killed with a mechanized claw!". It would take a plurality of bodies and someone who is familiar with Sonhadores Sombrios. Which would be difficult considering it's a manuscript in her possession only and was never seeded around for publishing. Solving her crimes would require depending on evidence other than weapon's distinctiveness. You'd need to look for finger prints, dna, any circumstantial evidence that could Adriana to murders.
She's a vulture capitalist in a long line of other vulture capitalists who are likely to all have been vying to buyout and gut lucrative companies for a quick profit. You'd have to look into her business dealings, which requires cause to get a warrant to do so, then recognize a potential pattern. That doesn't get you anywhere close to catching her because quite frankly people go missing all the time for a ton of esoteric reasons. Just because things happen to her benefit doesn't necessarily point out that she's the culprit directly, it is more plausible that she would be part of a criminal conspiracy. That's the first angle law enforcement would run down most likely and when they don't produce any evidence of said conspiracy the would go cold. Good cops don't immediately jump to the conclusion there a serial killer involved because serial killers are rare.
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If I were a misogynist, I would compare Adriana to any female character in a game
I say this because the default skin is contradictory and feels like a way to entice you into buying its other skins
Also, in this murderer that you mentioned, he is a man, not a woman, and this is a fact that cannot be denied. The structure of a man is different from that of a woman. (If not, most women would be able to knock him down or kill their attacker)
But Adriana's story shows that she is an ordinary girl who became evil after reading the manga
So where did she gain that power to lift a man with just one hand and take on an entire hunt in the woods? If she did not enter a gym, or it was mentioned that she trained in that before entering the entity world?
Also, she used the same weapon in her crimes, so it wouldn't be difficult to identify that the person who killed the previous victims was the same one who killed this one
she does not take into account that the police may contact employees with a high and important position in the company and lure the killer in order to catch him.
As if the writer wanted to say: She was able to do that all of a sudden
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Skull Merchant being a child prodigy who found success early in life and became a powerful corporate executive who invents fancy technology to kill people because she's a success-obsessed sadistic psychopath is fine.
The problem is that none of the important stuff is explained in a satisfying or believable way, so the idea looks and sounds stupid as hell. Because it's presented stupidly, with a lot of pointless filler.
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That's a fair point to be made, they did not do a great job expressing her origins. The heavier focus on her dad and the manga makes her existence feel more like an afterthought rather than the point of the narrative. While I like her lore I will never say it isn't conveyed in a lackluster manner.
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You realize that outfit is a costume right? Like she's wearing it to imitate the manga character and it's designed to be rather utilitarian in nature because functionality is just as important as aesthetics. It's not meant to entice so much as it is meant to not hinder her movement and leave a ton exposed skin to get scratched and cut while chasing people through woodlands.
Again not sure what her looks or their potential to drive folks to buy other cosmetics has to do with anything regarding her lore.
The differences between men and women aren't as extreme as you think they are. You seem to be under the impression that women are de facto inherently weaker or less athletically inclined as men to which I would say take some time to investigate the science on that and look at yourself on a personal level to figure out why you feel that way. It's a complex topic that is very touchy for me get into so I'm gonna leave this point alone.
No one "becomes evil" in a vacuum. She's a psychopath which while we don't understand the exact mechanics of what makes a psychopath, science tends to lean more towards that being an inherent psychological trait people are born with. The manga more or less is of a guide for madness rather than the cause of her madness. Considering how DBD's lore functions most of the time we can probably blame the Entity for her father creating the manga manuscript then just up leaving the family. IRL most psychopaths do grow up to be business people, doctors, politicians, and judges. They lack the capacity to feel a great deal of emotions which paradoxically makes them extremely good in high stress, decision making jobs. Only a small portion become criminals and even smaller portion becomes serial killers like Skull Merchant.
So, again she's hunting people who most likely aren't experienced in being in the woods let alone in a life or death combat situation. She's armed while her victims are not. She can chase people through the woods because she has spent the time and money to craft specialized drones that give real-time tracking data and if you go by the lore in her addons these drones are outfitted with an array things that severely hamper her targets. As for picking someone up with one hand when killers enter the Entity's realm the entity empowers them so they can carry out the trials effectively.
She does use the same weapon during crimes, but her weapon while super unique in design is not super unique in function. If the cops were to find enough bodies to piece together that all the wounds are made by the same weapon they still would not know what that weapon is exactly. They would be likely to misidentify it as knife or sword wounds first.
This is another point where you're strawmanning an extremely minute detail that isn't usually brought in any killer's back story. Though to tackle it with an answer, she probably does take something like that into account which is why she doesn't kill absolutely everyone in a position of power at the company. She's specific in targets, picking off only those who actually stand a chance of preventing her from getting what she wants. Law enforcement also don't typically set up vulnerable people in life threatening situations to catch a suspect. In the times they do perform what is called a Sting Operation, they will usually use an undercover cop which presents a problem for them. Skull Merchant isn't dumb, she stalks and maintains files on everyone in a position of authority in the companies she wants to acquire. That means that the cops can't just stick someone new into the company without her noticing something up.
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I might read it poorely (most probable i did), but how she become owner of a company by assasinating their directors? How this works? Arent those companies had someone above those directors, like owners? But even if we assume those directors was owners od those companies... How she become owner by killing previous owners? Did she tricked them to sign an ownership for her? How? How two signatures was enough?
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She started a website that earn her lot of money... Okay, i can believe on this tho its stupid.
But then she learned ecnomics im school library and because of that she trippled her stockpile...
How? By reading?
After that jump in wealth, before 18, she already had money to buy small companies... How? Those money she got by reading multiply by its own? Or she performed more reading?
Okay. Lets assume that she done good investments (learned by reading ecnomic books, not by some self made brilliant ecnomic algorithm or something like that). This rises another question - why only her? If becoming self-made millionaire require only reading ecnomic books to learn how to invest, then why and how noone else did this? At least authors of those books?
All of this stinks. Its not only unrealistic, but also falls apart when trying to analize...
I think she lives inside some manga, she is some cheap manga character from world build around her. It is the only explanation.
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The basic structure or large companies varies, but usually includes a Chief Executive Officer who can also be the President of the company or these two positions spread to two separate people. Next, is the Board of Directors which as a collective group can have decision making power on par with or out ranking the CEO/President of a company. There are other high power positions, but these are the most relevant when it comes to the decision of selling the company. She only needs to kill anyone who isn't on board with the selling of the company to her and if the company is small that actually might only be one or two people.
Why do you feel it is stupid that started a website that earned her a lot money? That's literally how Roblox functioned it was started by a couple of people and through the exploitation of free labor by its underaged user base grew into a multibillion company that is now traded on the stock market.
It is already expressed in Skull Merchant's lore that she went to a very prestigious private school and would have graduated first in her class if her family didn't start having financial problems due to her father's successful manga falling out of publication. I don't know why people think it's weird that she learned basic business and investing strategies from studying. That's literally how you learn those things and pretty learn everything that is thought intensive rather physically intensive. This stuff isn't uncanny arcane knowledge that only a few people have, you go to your local library or look up online how to get into stock trading or set up business. The barrier to entry isn't the knowledge, it's the money needed to get started. She made the money via the website and used her child prodigy level intelligence and obsessive drive to onboard knowledge from books.
She was making a shitload of money from the website that she then invested in the stock market effectively enough that her initial invests grew rather than shrank. The stock market is basically a casino for where you're betting on whether or not businesses will make a profit and increase their value. You do this by buying shares of a company's stock which gives you partial ownership stakes in the company. If you buy enough shares, the majority of shares which is 51% or more, you become the de facto owner of the company. This is the simplest way I can explain it without this post turning into a intro to business textbook chapter.
I don't know why you think no one else has done this? Clearly the people who wrote the books have done because they were able to write the books explaining the concepts and steps. You want to see real life examples of people who pretty did the same thing there every self-made crypto bro millionaire. They range from actually smart people who made good investments and got lucky enough to make their bag to criminals who tricked people into investing in their own companies which were just websites they were running out of their bedroom servers. There is professional stock trader Warren Buffet who has literally been buying into businesses and trading before the advent of entire fintech(financial technology) sector. He's old as dirt and still remembers when you had fill physical forms depend on rooms full sweaty pencil pushers.
I'm starting to feel like I exist in manga where everyone has just completely disconnected their minds from the world around them.
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It is pretty clear than whoever wrote her lore didn't know the minimum thing about investing, finances, the Brazilian school system or even advertisement revenue.
Do you really expect them to know how companies works? Or that the real owners of a company are the shareholders and not the CEO? Or even that who really makes the decisions in a company are the management board and not the CEO, and if he disappears they only have to elect a new one and business would continue without issue and won't change the price of "buying a company" or affect it in any way?
But "Killing the CEO to take over the company" sounds cooler than "Killed the CEO because she felt like it and then, somehow, was capable to bought enough stock from the company to take over". Because if it wasn't through stock buying, I can't imagine how there would be so many companies with management boards and shareholders willing to sell the whole thing, less so to someone that would just restructure all the company to sell it again, as all that info is public and she has done it "regularly" in the last two... Sorry! Language barrier! 7 years.
But hey, you only have to turn up your suspension of disbelief to the friking moon, dude! Do it and start to like this over the top and unrealistic writing, or you are just a hater.
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Not all companies are owned by shareholders to begin with. You only have shareholders if your company is a publicly traded company or uses one of the two company structures that give stakeholder shares to early investors rather than a flat return on investment during the start up phases of the company. You can grow a company to quite a large size before you have to consider instituting a board of directors led by a chairman. You have of course stakeholders even if you're a private company, but in that instance a stakeholder isn't necessarily someone with a direct vested interest in the company, but social group of people who are affected by the company.
Say, you open a ice cream factory in your hometown. You are the owner and the people who work for you are your employees. Those employees are also stakeholders along with their family members and generally the entire town. Now their not your investors, but if your ice cream factory does well the town should also do well. If you pollute the water table, destroy local businesses, or underpaid employees then the town suffers as a result. The town doesn't have direct vested interest, but you are still beholden to them even if not monetarily or contractually. You can decide that you don't want that to be the case and sale off your ice cream without anyone really getting in the way of that other than potentially the government.
While you do need and should suspend your disbelief because they are side stepping a lot of complex minutiae related to business and investing it isn't anywhere near as extreme as you're making it out to be. The level of wanting this hyper correct interpretation of all the most minor business stuff is wild to me. Why do y'all not ask for this level of factual realism and minute detail in any other killer's back story? Skull Merchant's back story may not be the strongest, but it isn't actually any where than when Artist was released with back story involving crows which is a species of bird that isn't found in her country. Her entire back story is centered around them.
If you don't like Skull Merchant just say that upfront and move on. It's fine if you don't like her, but y'all have chosen to fight a battle against her back story when you don't have to and seemingly lack the actual arguments to do so. Instead you retreat to the hill of "this isn't realistic" when the goal isn't realism to start with and there is realism, but since you don't like and probably don't want anything about her to be the least bit valid you're pulling at every single possible thread. That's weird behavior to engage in when you could just say "Skull Merchant is trash, imo!" and move on. You don't actually care about her lore at this point and some of y'all are displaying how deeply you are lost in the sauce to the point where you're questioning how someone can take in information and then make use of said information.
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Dude, I'm talking about TOME 15, where she managed to lift a man with just one hand, as if he was nothing.
When looking at Adriana, it does not seem that she entered a gym or trained for that before entering the entity world. She is a little fat in some parts of her body.
Especially since a woman's physique is not conducive to lifting an adult man with one hand (except by the power of motherhood).
So this raises questions if Adriana's body is like any other human being, then how did she manage to do all these crimes? Especially since she is a killer and an employee in a company, and she also has her mother, and she must make time for some of her hobbies.
Where did she gain that strength from before entering the entity world?
If you don't understand what I mean, watch a video about Tome 15 where it shows Adriana in the woods
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If you have a CEO, unless you are the Founder of the company and decide to call yourself that as it is an Start-up and "CEO" sound better to investors, you would have a Management Board as the sole purpose of a CEO is to be the middle point between corporate and the Director Board. It looks like this with a few exceptions:
Shareholders -> Management / Direction Board -> CEO -> Rest of the company
And if your company is so small that is not in the public trade or have any investors, then most than probably you would be the sole Owner of it and you don't even need such a title as "CEO".
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/when-do-you-call-yourself-ceo-your-startup-victoria-louise-barker
And if you are such an small company, I doubt that even Miss "Flipping and Profiting" Imai would have any interest in your company or in you, specially because it is specified that she targeted "larger-than-life" CEOs and I doubt that your local icecream shop owner would enter that definition. Not that the writers themselves ever thought about all this because again, the only thing that they thought was "This sounds so cool!" and wrote it in her lore.
Also, "stakeholders" and "shareholders" are not the same thing, as you yourself pointed out, and I don't even know why you mentioned it when it is irrelevant for what is being discussed.
Why do y'all not ask for this level of factual realism and minute detail in any other killer's back story?
I already argued about this in other post, but again, the main issue here is that an story should give you the important information that you need to have, and for it to be believable, it has to be realistic in the setup that story occurs. It doesn't need to be "at the minute" information, it is enough for the info to make sense and it is the writer's job to give and justify that information to you.
Again, the perfect example of this is The Trapper lore, where it specifies that "authorities didn't have enough evidence to link the murders to him", so, it makes sense he would be able to kill hundreds of people without getting caught. We don't need to know the exact procedure the police followed to not be able to find any proof to catch him, we only need to know they didn't found it as it makes the fact that he was able to kill so many people without being punished have sense.
So, if you give me an info you redeemed important for me to know that doesn't makes any sense, and not even try to justify "How" and "Why" it works that way, I won't believe it because it doesn't makes any sense.
And I don't dislike the Skull Merchant, I dislike the awful writing that her lore is. In fact, I think @Caiman explained it pretty well in few words: The concept for the character is good, the developing of that concept is bad. Pretty bad. Nonsensical over the top bad.
And doesn't matter how much it hurts, not liking it doesn't make you a hater. Even less so when so many people have pointed out multiple times why it is bad writing and why they don't like it.
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So I went and watched tome 15.
What are you on about? She stabbed that guy through the back of head and lifted him up with the SAME DAMN ARM WHICH SHE IS WEARING A MOTOR ASSISTED CLAW ON! She didn't even lift him that high and to make this point even easier to understand they were on an incline. A child could have lifted this man with those conditions not to mention that guy she lifted wasn't the guy who broke leg who actually looks heavier than her by a fair bit, but the skinny guy who actually looks like he weighs less than her!
This is a woman who is around the same proportions of Adriana picking up an absolute unit of a man. I have many videos and pictures of women lifting dudes with far heavy bodies in various ways. None of them have the fall back of literal machine assistance.
You don't have to work out a ton to lift an average person if you have things like good technique or machine assistance.
Her mother is a grown woman who can presumably take care of herself and thus doesn't need Adriana to wait on her hand and foot.
She's not the employee of a company she is some who takes her considerable wealth and uses it to strip mine companies for a quick profit and sale them off to first interested party.
Just like any high level capitalist she probably has far more free time then either of us will experience in our entire lives. She was born into money, made her money, and then turned into the sort of business person who just makes even more money at the expense of everyone else around her. That doesn't require a lot of hours at a desk which even if it did you can still get a decent upper body workout if you just buy a set of dumbbells.
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Well, that was in the gym
Adriana lore It is not mentioned that she has been trained in this or had physical strength since childhood
Well let's take the huntress as an example
Well, she's a hunter. She and her mom used to hunt animals for a living
Here, the writer does not need to mention where she gained that power from, because she is a human being who lived her entire life in the forests, hunting animals and carrying them on her back to her home throughout her life.
But in the traditions of Adriana, it is mentioned that she is an ordinary person who started with a loving family , It was mentioned that she likes to be superior to everyone and is satisfied only with being the first
The tradition continues until her father reads the manga and decides to become the character in the manga
However, it is only mentioned that she was killing executives with her weapons that she invented, Yes, she invented a semi-automatic weapon, but she still has to bear its weight on her hand, and she is also the one who moves the weapon, not the weapon that moves on its own
Also, she loves her mother and tried to help when the family was in a difficult situation
So, after becoming a self-made millionaire, what prevents her from taking care of her mother, especially since she loves her like her father?
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She's a multi-millionaire, even if her mother needed full time assistance she could afford to pay professional home care assistants to take care of her. Yet, again I ask why do you find this relevant when the biggest problem with her lore that everyone seems to agree on is it being about other people more than Adriana herself? Whether or not she takes care of her family is irrelevant to the important bits that define how and why she became a murderer.
Adriana is obsessed with being the best and she is also emulating Skull Merchant from the manga who is also obsessed with proving she is the best and finding excitement in the hunt especially when she feels there may be a slight challenge.
No killer's lore goes into grand detail about their various training regiments in the lead up to becoming a killer. Why people that from Skull Merchant, but literally are willing to just accept that every other killer is just good at murder because the story said so is weird. The extreme specificity wanted for Skull Merchant either need to be applied for all killers or you need to make a better argument because literally no killer has that in their story.
Huntress and her mother did hunt for a survival, but hunting for survival doesn't instantly also make you good at killing people or even completely help you survive the conditions Huntress lived in. She lost her mother to a stag when she was young child, it is an insane miracle that she survived in the harsh desolate Russian-Siberian forests. This is even more of a wild feat considering at some point she started leaving the forest to go to villages and kidnap little girls to raise as her own. Keep in mind that Huntress lived in period with modern firearms such as nagant rifles which were pretty prevalent. We are just told that she's just that good at survival even when that highly unrealistic.
Motorized prosthetic arms can reliably lift 45 pounds from what I've read and we're talking about pretty old technology at this point. More experiment stuff like artificial muscle tissue has been tested to lift up to 500 times the artificial tissue's weight and that figure scales evenly with the amount of tissue used in a mechanical arm. Again this is terms of total arm replacement prosthetics rather than mechanical assistance. So, Merchant as far as we know is perfectly healthy physically and has full range of motion and strength in her limbs.
The average woman can lift between 50% and 125% of their own body weight depending on the type of lifting being done and other factors like age, training level, and body composition. This is why I said in an earlier post to really investigate the science on this sort of stuff because it isn't one size fits all and training is not the only or even most important deciding factor. This literally scale all the way down to genetic predispositions that vary wildly from each individual human so we have to work with averages which have inherent shortcomings because there isn't a singular average man or woman archetype in nature.
So, since we can assume she's healthy, fairly physically fit, and wearing a motorized arm brace which looks decent constructed and probably acts as force multiplier to her own strength lifting a dead guy shouldn't be that much of an issue for her. Now if we were to couch this in terms of how much is the arm multiplying her strength by that answer would require the writers to give us a detailed breakdown of the construction of her brace because depending upon the configuration, materials, and mechanical output this number can vary wildly. I'm not a mechanical or electrical engineer so I'm not even going to attempt to guess at all of that nor is it necessary to do .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanical_arm
Here some reading on the subject of women strength training and mechanical arms, feel free to look up more things on your own.
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Imagine if this was her in-game mori instead. It would have made it so much better... It's quite gruesome.
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I think they wanted it to be more like the manga or anime in the way it kills the survivors in the game
It might be good if you could see the wound penetrating the lung
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Her Mori is just awful. I hate looking at it... Survs acts strange at least, and she lifts man of her size, shrinking him in a process so that his head is at her head level but his feets are elevated. Please lets not talk about this, i wish i will never see this again.
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