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Is It Possible To Just Never Get Good?
TL;DR, I'm awful and not sure it's possible for me to get better at this point.
In case someone asks what platform I'm on, I play on Switch with joycons but this is no excuse because my friend is brand new to Survivor and is just as good at looping as me in most cases. (They're on Switch too.)
I have about 250 hours as Survivor. Possibly more. Every time I try to do that thing where people run a circle around the Killer, I get hit. Every. Time. This morning, I got 3 AFK Killers in a row, one baby Nurse, and then the same AFK Blight from earlier. (My MMR is incredibly low.)
I'm just lucky that Killers feel bad for me often enough that they give me Hatch more than I ever thought I would get.
And before someone tells me to get more experience as Killer to know how they think, I have at least 400 hours as Killer so that's not my problem here.
I have a problem with slow reaction time as well, I've realized. And I never seem to know which direction the Killer is coming from. (I wear headphones.)
Is there any chance of me ever getting good? Or am I doomed to someday be a P100 Yoichi who can't loop for their life? (If you're feeling up to answering, how do I stop caring about my Prestige?)
Thanks! And sorry for the long post.
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The 360s you're referring too are never a guarantee and rarely work against good killers so don't sweat those.
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DBD is a weird game, and while 250 hours is enough time to master many games, it's just getting your feet wet in DBD.
That said, if you're struggling with looping, there are tons of great videos from great players out there to help. I've got 1500+ hours in surv (3000+ hours total), and tbh my looping game is pretty mid, though still improving.
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Its possible but usually its related to mindset
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Yeah, for me, I play the game pretty casually and don't really think too hard about anything while I am in game (unless I am feeling particularly spicy).
One of the frustrating things is that SBMM doesn't differentiate between casual players and sweatlords (or 250 hour survs and 2500 hour killers), which can be lead to uneven and demoralizing experiences for players relatively new to the game.
But really, it'll come with time. Studying the game can really speed things up, though. Players in DBD are really all creatures of habit, and once you learn to predict what they are going to do (again, just takes time) a person can perform at least decently essentially on autopilot. DBD isn't particularly mechanically demanding, it's like 95% learned game sense.
So for OP, if you put time into the studying these things, you will get better.
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I have about 1400 hours all up (Switch and PS5) and I'd consider myself intermediate. You'll naturally get better the more you play but I do feel the Switch can hold you back as the camera sensitivity is awful, even at 100%
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I was just thinking this earlier and I think the answer is no. The devs are constantly nerfing anything inconvenient and challenging about the game. There is no incentive to try getting better when you know the devs with nerf things.
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Everyone learns at different speeds.
It is possible to never get "good" at a game, however that is usually more so about mindset or mental blocks, not inherently not being able to. Most times the person in question doesn't even realize that they're holding themselves back or what exactly it is that is holding them back.
For example I could be better at the game, but I really don't care enough to memorize every single tile in the game, the 5 ways to run each one, and what does have working collision and doesn't. In addition to not having the time of someone whose job is the game. I have better things in life to do. But I'm fine with that.
If you really want to get better my advice would be to really focus on one thing at a time. Awareness for example. Just playing for the sake of playing or aimless "get better" won't be much help. Just a little more purpose goes a long way. Instead of "get better" try "get better at pinpointing the killer, especially in chase". Once you're happy with that move to the next.
Prestige is just for personal achievement or bragging right to others who care about that stuff, which afaik is not many. After P3 there's no gameplay reward and after 9 there's no reward at all. I really wouldn't focus on it unless you personally want to.
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it is entiirely possible to never get good.
but, it is impossible to never get good, if you are actively putting effort into getting good.
if you keep trying, eventually you WILL get good at anything. maybe slower than some, but it's only a matter of time.
"it takes 10000 hours to master a skill" is a common saying for a reason. sure, the guy just used a big round number, but the point stands, the only thing separating you from mastering any skill is the time invested into learning it. and a lot of time is usually required
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That's the weird thing about Dead by Daylight. It's a party game that requires hundreds of hour to be just okay at 🤣
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It depends on the person and their experience in other video games and talent in general.
I was an amazing killer player in general at 500 hours of only killer but 250 hours into survivor I would call myself mid/inconsistent.
Personally I always have learned every video game I am super into by watching good players and someone like otz is a perfect content creator for me because sometimes he expresses his thoughts in real time which is what I need. I would recommend you do the same but there is a chance that doesn't help you.
If you genuinely feel lost at improving at at looping you can still heavily impact the game via you perks/playstyle and macro although you are only 1/4.
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Not everyone can be a tournament winning basement dweller. But everyone can learn some basic level of gameplay. The fact that you still struggle after 250 hours on survivor may seem discouraging but it's actually not so bad. 250 hours is very little for DBD (on either side) because of its unique gameplay. You can't carry over much of the skill you've built up in different games.
I've always found to get good at something you need to do exactly that. In your case that means, you simply have to keep on playing and even when it might cost you the game, try to loop the killer. Don't be affraid of failure. When I first learned Hillbilly, I lost like 20 games in a row because I was so focused on doing stuff, that I couldn't do yet. I was constantly failing and even messed up in situations where you basically can't do anything wrong. And even now (1 1/2 years and thousands of chainsaw hits later) I still mess up a lot. But I can definitely tell that I make progress.
Something else that might help you is different tutorials or simply gameplay footage (for looping I recommend Ayrun and JRM) of other players. You can learn a lot from watching someone else and analyzing what they do. Everything else comes with experience. I have a about 2.3k hours and I still learn new things constantly. But I have developed the kind of "game sense" (which is just another word for experience and knowledge) that allows me to make the right decisions in many situations.
You not knowing from which direction the killer is approaching, will get better with more experience. You will learn basic patrol routes and standard killer behavior.
I feel a bit self-concious about my prestige too. I am P82 on Billy and sometimes I will play so terrible, that I keep asking myself how I even manage to do that. But it helps when you consider that there are looooots of people with high prestige characters that approach this just as casual as you and I. At the end of they day prestige shows only one thing. Dedication to a character and nothing else.
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The game was never designed around people being as good at they are at the game. Most of the super good players are people who have basically nothing in life going on BUT DBD so don't let that get to you.
Also you can be a horrible looper and still be a good teammate if you have basic knowledge. Not even knowledge of the killer/addons etc. like how some players read these things 2 seconds into the game. I mean basic knowledge on what to do and where to be at any given moment
If someone on the hud is being chased you should be on gens. Not hiding in a corner not looking for chest or totems (unless archives or some other reason forcing you to) or in a locker just sitting on a gen.
If someone is hooked, another being chased and one person is on a gen if your gen has less progress you should go for the rescue not the person who's about to finish (unless ofc you're on the other side of the map)
Tons more basic stuff i'm not going to get into since i'm assuming you get the point. Tiny things like these make or break a game when added up. The amount of games i've had/seen where someone gives up because they had the killer in a 3+ minute chase and 1 gen got done and they get hooked only to see a dwight crouching in a corner on the opposite corner of the map from the killer while they can see they're in chase is insane. It's super common and leads to a lot of frustration which can impact your games.
Look up some tips on proper time management in the game and you'll sky rocket as survivor. As for killer gameplay it's honestly kinda just RNG. You hope the survivors aren't out to be a bigger d-bag than you are and that's basically how it is atm.
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youll never be "good" on switch but you can still be a decent teammate if you equip a good build and do your part by holding R on the generadors
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I recently bought the Switch version myself (I play mostly on PC). It's a more playable survivor experience than it is a killer one, but oh boy does it have some shortcomings. It definitely puts you at a disadvantage compared to players on the other platforms.
I had kinda hoped the Switch would be my "chill" version of DBD, but I still get the same skill levels of survivors and killers despite having only about 30+ hours on the platform. You just have to accept that DBD on Switch is harder than all the other versions, so don't feel too bad.
I'm pretty terrible at looping too. My main strat is to do a gen by a window or a pallet, Lithe away, breaking line of sight if I can and hope they don't want to chase me. And it will never stop being funny to run to shack and make the killer drop chase because they think I can actually loop it.
I personally think the stealthy style of play is often overlooked by a lot of survivors. Lots of players think you need to play like a flashy Twitch streamer but you really don't. If the killer can't find you, then you don't need to know how to loop. When I play this way I aim to be stealthy but productive. Plus, it can feel just as good to hide right under the killer's nose as it does to win a chase.
Will be a harder play style to pull off with that yellow raincoat of his, though...
Like others have said, try to make smart plays and contribute to the team by running team perks (Botany, Kindred, We'll Make it). I don't really care if we escape or not as long as we're all trying our best.
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What game can you master in 250 hours? I don't know any game that is PvP that takes that little. No way League, Overwatch, Apex, any fighting game are mastered after only 250 hours. Maybe a single player game sure.
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The “running circles around the killer” thing is dependant on the killers skill, not yours. 360s will almost never work on a good killer because it’s very easy to counter. I’m sure you’ve probably seen a bunch of content creators performing it constantly but remember that they tend to only show the games where they actually pull stuff like that off and most times it’s because they are paired with a killer lower than their own MMR. Against killers of their own skill level, they most likely pull of very few 360s.
As for not knowing where the killer is coming from, headphones won’t really make a difference as the heart beat isn’t directional. It’s more about looking around to seeing if you can spot the killer and knowing where is safe to run and head over there. Even if you don’t know which direction the killer is coming, have a plan and when they start approaching head over there. Don’t just run aimlessly and accidentally run into them. Run where you are safe no matter which direction they come from.
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Several things:
- Yes, it is possible that you will never be good. And this is ok as long as you dont blame everything else on your losses. It is completely fine to not be good at a game. In another game I have 11 years of playtime (with breaks) and lots of games, but I am still below average or average at best.
- Which brings me to my next point - 250 hours on Survivor is not much. Even 650 hours combined is not much. DBD is a game which needs some time. Maybe you think 250 hours is a lot, but it really is not in DBD
- Really important point - only while spinning the Killer does not work does not mean that you are bad. 360s usually dont work against Killers who are at least decent. And even if you see videos where people do constantly do 360s... Well, they probably show you the two out of 50 games where it actually worked on Killers. 360s are not really a strong thing to do and should only be a last resort IMO.
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There's nothing wrong with not being good yet you have to remember a ton of people have thousands of hours more experience because the game has been out for so long, one important thing is learning the proper way to run a tile and use check spots in chase, you'd be surprised how many survivors still don't know how to properly run tiles and use check spots, at the end of the day though there's nothing wrong with being bad at the game as long as you're having fun thats what counts
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I have never seen a truly good survivor with under 3000 hours. 250 hours is beginner level.
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For the vast majority of players there'll be better and worse players around. Has very little to do with time. There's a reason why the matchmaking isn't based on hours played. I've played for far more than 250 hours and I'm still not really great.
Chase isn't everything. If you can touch a gen instead of crawling around the map, you're already better than 80% of my average teammates and better than 95% of my teammates today.
For solo survivors I don't even see a point of getting good at the game. Your teammates won't magically get good because you are, and if you're running a killer for awhile but nobody's doing gens and then everything goes to ######### in seconds once the killer leaves you alone and it's the 5th 4k at 5 gens for the killer in a row, it's not fun at all to lose against so much worse players, at least for me. The killer has to be very bad for you to be good enough to carry all of your teammates.
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It takes practice, and it takes the right kind of practice. It's easy to get overwhelmed with every detail and end up not working on any of them in particular. I find it best to work on one thing at a time.
Losing track of the killer at tiles? Spend the next few days focusing on your camera positioning and using check spots. Losing track of the killer when the patrol? Focus on pre-positioning safely and figuring out where they're coming from in relation to where they were. Apply those principles to any part of gameplay you're having a hard time with.
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So other then 360's not working out for you how are you on the other things... like Gen skillchecks, Game awareness (like healing, and saving)
Do you understand the Killer's power's?
There's a lot more then 360's to worry about... How long are your chases (from healthy to down)?
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Well I could name a few killer or survivor main streamers that hardly play the other side and that have 10k-ish hours who are basically bot level despite their self perceived level of skill :')
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No, if you keep trying you will get better at it. I'm not a dextrous person, I don't play any other MP games at all. I never thought I'd be very good, but I enjoy playing so much that every now and then I impress myself.
I never memorize counters or best ways to loop/patrol/whatever. I'm lazy as sh*t. I got better because I've seen it hundreds of times. Survivors head to a gym, I know where they'll go, I know whether they can make the window, I usually catch them if they do a fancy move on a pallet. Just because I've done it many, many times.
If you're putting effort into learning, you'll learn. Even if you don't, just playing a lot makes you better. You do things and see things over and over, you get better at it. Failing is the only way to learn to succeed. Play for fun and it will get to be more fun.
I play on PC, I've always used a controller. Turn up your sensitivity to 100 and you can overcome the extra challenge.
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I have 3600 hours in the game and still fall for some easy mindgames. But you do definetely improve over time I think for me it took about 1000 hours to get decent so just keep playing and focus things you think could make better.
Like do window/ pallets fakes and greed pallets where you can see the killer be unpredictable. I went easily for mindgames as beginner when I didn't use any fakes. Some pallets still are very easy to mindgame so you can drop them early pr practise mindgaming killer.
On switch doing 360s is lot harder than on pc. It's not possible to do them as fast you could maybe try V tech if you want but usually they don't work agains't good killers. So these techs are not big deal.
Switch and joystick does limit killer more. M+K on pc is superior. But just keep practising killer takes long time to master.
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In most games 250 hours would be a lot, but in DBD it's kinda beginners' hours. I'm between 2.5-3k hours and will still sometimes walk into walls 💀
There will be games where I can loop the killer for 3+ gens and games where I can't loop for longer than 1 minute. I can mindgame most Nurses, but give me Billy and I'm dead lol. I think the more active you are the more game-sense you'll get. Also it really depends on which killers you face more often, because that gives you more experience playing against them and also who your teammates are.
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