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Bubba's Addons
Cannibal has a lot of useless or unhealthy addons. I want to share with my suggestions to change these addons.
I am Bubba Main since 2019, so I got some experience with specific addons.
Long Guide Bar - this addon is very unhealthy for the game, because it gives ability to facecamp someone when revving the Chainsaw and triggering Tantrum is very hard with Long Guide Bar & The Grease. In normal gameplay these addons are just useless. It's very hard to trigger a Tantrum, because of long rev.
My suggestion to rework this addon and add completely new effect.
Increases Chainsaw Revving movement speed by 3.5%.
The Grease - the same problem as Long Guide Bar
My suggestion to change this addon
Decreases time required to charge a Chainsaw by 12%.
Shop Lubricant - it's almost impossible to get a value from this addon. It's hard to trigger effect and if we trigger effect, it's just 20 seconds.
My suggestion to rework this addon.
Decreases Chainsaw cooldown when Breaking a Pallet by 20%.
Depth Gauge Rake - very interesting addon, but two very heavy penalties just kill this addon.
My suggestion to change this addon is just remove Chainsaw Sweep movement speed penalty.
Carburetor Tuning Guide - the same as Depth Gauge Rake - remove movement speed penalty.
I would add a little bit faster recharge, because when Breaking a Pallet we lose all Chainsaw Tokens.
What you think?
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I think your ideas are really good ideas for bubba. bubba's main issue right now is that he is too reliant on award chili to enable using his chainsaw in the chase. so regardless of what add-on they change, he would need base-kit purple chili to enable using other add-on's.
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Facecamping is basically dead with the anti face camp mechanic, so it is not really an issue, but sure the addon could be something more usefull.
I don't know if I want to have decreased charge time for the chainsaw, it would be a good addon for sure, but we would basically get Crack Bubba, that combined with the engravings.
I would not change the pallet breaking speed, bubba already breaks pallets really fast and this might make it so the survivors could not even another tile...
The other ones are fine I guess. But overall I think Bubba is already in a good spot, when it comes to his strenght.
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Bubba's best addon at the moment is Beast's Marks. He needs just Beast's Marks to outplay almost all loops in the game. In good hands of course. Purple Chili itself is "weak" I can say. This addon is good with Beast's Marks and that's all. I would prefer to add Beast's Marks base kit than Purple Chili.
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He is in almost good spot. Some bugs hurt him a lot. About addons - he needs more variety in addons. He needs more useful addons. Crack Bubba? If he could combine like 2 strong charge time addons, okay, maybe, but one 12% addon will not do a huge difference. It will be just "decent" addon. About Pallet Breaking Speed. Demogorgon has very fast Breaking Speed and he has addon to do it faster.
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Bubba absolutely does not need addons that increase the charge time or pallet breaking speed. Those would be too strong.
However, I do agree that the addons you listed need changes in some way. The changes you suggested to the other addons apart from Shop Lubricant and The Grease seem to be good. Tuning Guide should probably keep at least one penalty though.
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Sure, but most killers could use some more variety, but at least he has some usefull addons ^^
I just used the term because it was called crack billy when combining speed with lower charge ^^ nothing more... Doing this penalty free is maybe a little too much, I don't know, even though I would love crack billy back... so If we can have both, would be nice.
Billy and Bubba have a one second break animation, it is under cooldowns for some reason, whereas demo gorgon has two seconds to break a pallet according to the wiki, so it is nowhere near close, Demogorgon has a far slower break... even with the addon he is at 1.7 seconds I think, with is still a lot more than bubba...
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Carburetor Tunning Guide is very bad addon. This addon should be brown for begginers. You need to lose all tokens for Breaking a one Pallet. How 12% charge time would change Bubba? I sure that even if they would buff Bubba and give him 1 additional Charge this Killer wouldn't be out of control. Trust.
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If not Pallet Breaking Speed - let's try Knockout Effect for 60 seconds without any requirements
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I don’t think faster charge speed or pallet break speed should exist without any downside - they are already both pretty fast basekit. But I do agree with the addons you want to change as they are pretty bad. The Depth Gauge buff is fine.
I still think the yellow Chili should be made basekit, he really doesn’t feel that good to play without one of those addons. Though I would rework one of those addons then and the other one should be +0.25s per charge, stacking two of those after a buff to 2.25s basekit would be a little too powerful. They also still need to fix the acceleration bugs with his addons.
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Bubba already has the faster chainsaw charge speed out of the two Chainsaw killers. It doesn't need to be any faster.
Giving him an extra charge with zero downside would also be too much. Leatherface is already a formidable killer and really does not need major buffs at all.
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Why on earth that? Knockout is a terrible perk when we looking at design in general as well as how strong it is, why would we want that effect on more things?
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i do not agree. you can outrun his chainsaw because negative charge time penalty outpaces movement speed when running in a straight line and at loops. it is very rarely that you can hit survivor at loops with his chainsaw. in general, survivor tend to always make it to the pallet. as a result, you tend to break pallets more with LW than anything else. your chainsaw needs to outlast survivor's distance gain on you for them to throw the pallet. When they throw pallet, you break the pallet in 1 second. this gameplay summary is why his duration add-on are good for leatherface. without duration, you can only use his chainsaw near point-blank because you cover too little distance between all 3 charges.
what beast mark add-on is all about is post-pallet breaks. when you break a pallet, your chainsaw sprint ends. between your cooldown of acquiring tokens and the next pallet, the survivor's gains distance to go next loop. with just default chili, the survivor is often far too ahead for you to use your chainsaw to hit them. you need all 3 charges however you spend charges to break the pallet. beast marks improves 2nd charge and 3rd charge of purple chili's chainsaw duration. in other words, the beast mark and award chili gives leatherface an anti-shift w tool between loops. for example, if you break a pallet and you spend 2 tokens. by time you recharge 1 token, you can often use 2 token chainsaw to hit the survivor between the loop. Sometimes survivor still makes to next pallet because both pallets were very close to each other. in that instance, survivor has to drop the pallet in which case you will break it immediately but if they do not drop the pallet then you hit them. as i explained earlier, leatherface has 1 second pallet break so pre-drop pallets gives survivor little distance. this often means that you can walk as leatherface and as soon as survivor is within your 1 charge or 2 token chainsaw distance, you can rev up your chainsaw and hit them on very last sweep.
leatherface as character is all about judging distances and chainsaw catch-up 10+ second ahead of time. his main source of anti-loop is pallet zoning in the corner on the corner map pallets. the pallet in the center of the map are often safe enough for survivor to chain loops. the saving grace is that these pallet are relatively easy to chew through so leatherface can often break all of the pallets very quickly where a lot of the map quickly becomes dead-zone for his instant down. when it comes to the window, bamboozle is a perk to block isolated windows. it is possible win mindgames as leatherface at windows without blocking them but cooldown of chainsaw is severely long if survivor wins the mindgame.
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Because Shop Lubricant does it already but with very limited version.
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Are you saying that Beast's Marks is weaker than Award Winning Chili? You are wrong. With Beast's Marks you can outplay most of the loops. Maybe in begginer hands Award Winning Chili may be better. But, Beast's Marks is all what Cannibal needs. You said about destroying Pallets & zoning - with this playstyle at current DBD on a little bit higher level you can now win many matches.
Bubba needs to outplay loops, use his creativity, use his knowledge about the power etc etc. Without Beast's Marks it's always like "Oh I broke a Pallet, but I didn't get a down" or "Oh I got stunned by a Pallet during my Chainsaw Sweep" - BECAUSE playing without Beast's Marks is like that.
Award Winning Chili also aplies hidden penalty about acceleration.
I main Cannibal since 2019, I have 40 000 Downs with his Chainsaw, I played in the Otz/Hens Showcase, 1v1s Tournaments and most of people know me as very good Bubba with the best knowledge and people usually trust me when I talk about Cannibal.
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Seems like a better reason to rework that to something that is not just annoying but not necessarily strong... If people are in coms they can call out where they are slugged anyway, so all it does is annoy people in solo queue because they get slugged for 4 minutes and their teammates cannot find them, the whole perk is already annoying, no reason to slap the same effect on an addons as well...
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Award Winning Chili also aplies hidden penalty about acceleration.
yes and no. see, bubba acceleration only happens on first charge of chainsaw. every chainsaw sweep after 1st charge is full movement speed because it is adding additional 2 second duration to chainsaw. that why award chili add so much distance on perfectly timed chainsaw extension because your adding 2.5 x2 for 5 extra second of full speed as opposed to 2 x2 for 4 seconds of speed at no downside. the scale of acceleration only applies to his first charge and downside is very minimal.
this was also why tuning guide was so terrible because tuning guide scales his acceleration into 1 charge so movement speed scaler was taking his entire 1 charge and accelerating entire 7.5 seconds of his chainsaw. now after the fix, it scales only his first 2.5 seconds of acceleration and makes you move full speed for additional remaining seconds of his chainsaw. Tuning guide is still terrible because 3 tokens = 1 pallet break. tuning guide also is kinda useless because skilled bubba can time all chainsaw sweeps perfectly. as a result, the tuning guide removes all control from bubba because he cannot allocates the tokens per loop. The only positive way to use his tuning guide is with iri flesh to slug but as long you go to a pallet and camp it, it removes any snowball potencial from the chainsaw.
Are you saying that Beast's Marks is weaker than Award Winning Chili?
of course, you can do the math. If you add 1 extra second of chainsaw, you move an extra 5.28 meters+some extra from acceleration in 1st sweep. the survivor during this time moves at 4.0 m/s. i will not use 5.28 number. I will use like 5.5 because I don't know details enough with that scaling speed. ~5.5 - 4.0 = 1.5 meters gained.
For beast marks, we need wiki to understand this.
this is a lot harder to calculate because lw in first charge is going from 86.25% ->132.25% so that 3% is scaling on first charge. I am just going say that it is 0.12 x 2 seconds to take raw value of speed. so you get estimated ~+0.48 meters of distance. for 2nd and 3rd charge, 132.25 - 136.21 is roughly 3.96% speed. 4% is about 0.16 m/s. assuming you perfectly time his chainsaw, you get 0.64 meters of distance. in total, your getting about 1.13 meters of distance but this get worse. you see, the beast marks also have - penalty to charge time. this means that if survivor running forward, you are losing m/s for longer amount of time. Bubba's default chainsaw time is 2 seconds for 86.25%. With beast marks, it becomes 12% longer. so now it is 2.24 seconds. 0.24 * 0.55 is 0.132 meters extra lost. so to conclude, you are getting around ~0.98 meters of catch-up.
1.5 meters is greater then 0.98. so yes award chili is better individually speaking. beast mark becomes better when your duration on chainsaw is longer. this is because your catching up the survivor sooner. as a result, the survivor running forward for less time. so between running purple chili+yellow chili vs purple chili & beast mark. the beast mark is superior compare to yellow chili. I have played a lot of cannibal as well. I have never done math like this but I could feel that award chili would do more for me on average then beast marks.
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All Wiki Info I have in my head about Bubba. Duration isn't the most important thing. With Beast's Marks when outplaying a loop we can get a down. Without Beast's Marks it's Pallet on your face. Single Beast's Marks is better than double Chili. I am pretty sure about that. I am pretty sure Beast's Marks is the best addon on Bubba. Math just doesn't work in this scenario. Distance isn't the most important thing
Movement speed is the most important thing in this game...
With Beast's Marks Bubba starts at 88.84% and ends at 136.21%. It's massive difference. If someone can not see it, it's weird for me...
High Level Gameplay is not possible without Beast's Marks...
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About Revving Movement Speed
0 - 0.3 seconds 115% ---> 109.25%
0.3 - 1 second 109.25% ---> 86.25%
1 - 2 seconds 86.25%
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if they were to buff leatherface's add-on for both iri to work together, it would be a good buff if iri flesh refreshed all his tokens on pallet breaks and downs. this would remove negative of spending 3 tokens to break 1 pallet and make add-on usable. another buff that would improve it is changing the -2% to +2%. the -0.28 charge time increase would not matter too much if it is used with iri flesh.
Depth Gauge rake is an add-on that looks a lot like billy's old tuning carburettor guide where I think intended effect is it grants leatherface 1 extra chainsaw sweep, +2% bonus speed and -18% rev charge time. it just has negatives currently to make you not want to use it. Just flipping negatives into a positive would make superior beast marks with more bonuses.
Light Chasis is an add-on that gives him aura reading when he is revving. this would be good add-on if it worked when he reving and driving the chainsaw.
shop lubricate is an add-on to represent his Knock out perk. it is bad because it only works for 20 seconds. this add-on would better be represented as blindness for 90 seconds. at the same time, blindness slugging is one of those mechanics where it is not useful vs swf but can be effective vs soloq. i do not see them changing this because perception of this mechanic is somewhat labelled as "unhealthy" for what otz talks about in that weird perk video.
Long guide bar as you said is very irrelevant. 3.5% m/s is good bonus but the number could be like 15% m/s because leatherface is so slow when charging chainsaw that 3.5% will not do much.
The Grease is same irrelevant effect. -12% charge time is good bonus but since leatherface is all about charging chainsaw at a distance, the charge time for him would only make him take less time to not get slowed when using chainsaw in most situations. I suppose you could use pointblank near the survivor to get windows hits. it would be nostalgic version of old leatherface where player would have to go right next to the survivor to get downs back when he only had 1 charge.
another add-on that is not very useful but has strange effect is his Grisly chain. this add-on makes you drop your item similar to his perk called franklin demise. dropping item is not that useful in most cases. I would rework it to be an exhaustion add-on that applies 3 second exhaustion when leatherface completes a chainsaw rev when a survivor is within the killer's terror radius.
He has two add-on to reduce his chainsaw tantrum. Homemade Muffler and Chain file. Chain file should be buffed to reduce his tantrum by 1.5 second from 0.5 seconds and Homemade Muffler should have the rarity switched from Yellow to Purple. The Rusted Chain add-on would be changed to yellow. Broken for 90 second is not that useful for leatherface because he already has a permanent access to instant down. It only has niche use with thanatophobia which is a bad perk right now. The new effect for Homemade Muffler would be that his chainsaw noise is suppressed when survivor are outside of his terror radius. This would work similarly to Billy's Apex Muffler.
These are all possible improvement that would give leatherface more add-on variety choices but before he could choose any of these other choices. he would need award winning chili base-kit and those corresponding add-on weaken to something like +0.1/0.15 chainsaw dash extension for purple/yellow chili.
For reference, I do not think LW needs improvements but he would be a lot stronger if he had better add-on and slightly better base-kit. perhaps he might be too strong. I am not sure. most people only see leatherface as face-camping killer but he is capable in the chase with add-on's. he is just not effective at chase at base-kit. he needs add-on to be relevant chasing killer. he is just one of those killer that requires a lot of foresight and gameplay experience to do well.
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Most Bubbas don't know how to use his Power.
I didn't mention Chainsaw Sweep acceleration. I mentioned Revving Movement Speed. I took it from Wiki. And it's right, because it feels like it in game. Only after 1 second Bubba gets really heavy slowdown during his Revving Time.
Shop Lubricant - Blindness? Because good against SoloQ? We shouldn't add perks or addons that are good only against SoloQ, right? If this addon would decrease cooldown after Breaking a Pallet for example 10 or 15% it wouldn't be to much and still he would has more better addons like Award Winning Chili or Beast's Marks.
Long Guide Bar - increase the Revving Movement Speed by 15%? You are crazy. It would be one of his best addons.
if this addon would increases Revving Movement speed from 86.25% to 90% it would be balanced. Good and simple addon. At least useful in some ways.
During this event we can get 10 (or 15%?) movement speed bonus from Pumpkin and I used it when Revving and it was amazing. Very powerful.
The Grease - if you use Chainsaw just from big distances - it wrong playstyle. Bubba should be very careful when using Chainsaw Charges. If you use 3 Tokens to just break a Pallet, it's very bad. I don't want to make these addons OP. Decrease time required to charge a Chainsaw by only 12% wouldn't make him too strong, but it would be very nice & simple addon to use.
Homemade Muffler - 0 noises from Chainsaw? On Bubba? For what? I don';t get it... Completely useless.
Depth Gauge Rake with 2% speed bonus would be very strong addon. One of the best. 2% is very very strong effect.
With Beast's Marks it would be almost 139% movement speed and 8 seconds of use... For me it wouldn't be too strong at current DBD but would be controversial.
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I didn't mention Chainsaw Sweep acceleration. I mentioned Revving Movement Speed. I took it from Wiki. And it's right, because it feels like it in game. Only after 1 second Bubba gets really heavy slowdown during his Revving Time.
charging rev time is when your holding chainsaw before you use it. m/s is 86.25%. default charge time is 2 seconds. The rev time that wiki is talking about is his acceleration.
Long Guide Bar - increase the Revving Movement Speed by 15%? You are crazy. It would be one of his best addons.
if this addon would increases Revving Movement speed from 86.25% to 90% it would be balanced. Good and simple addon. At least useful in some ways.
i do not think you will notice that much of difference at 3.5%. at 15%, he would move at 103.5%. you would not lose any distance for holding out the chainsaw. he would barely be faster then survivor running speed. most of the time your using chainsaw max distances so I think survivor would not have trouble defeating bubba with this effect. it would just be funny to look at.
Depth Gauge Rake with 2% speed bonus would be very strong addon. One of the best. 2% is very very strong effect.
With Beast's Marks it would be almost 139% movement speed and 8 seconds of use... For me it wouldn't be too strong at current DBD but would be controversial.
I agree that it would be controversial. that is why i think his add-on are better off staying bad even though they could be really strong. current bubba is precise killer but if his add-on become strong then he becomes somewhat easy to play because you do not need as much precision on his power. that is why i think he is fine where he is.
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Do all of these changes but also nerf chilies and add part of their effects to his base kit since he is so reliant on them right now.
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Revving Movement speed is like I said - I took it from Wiki
0 - 0.3s 109.25%
0.3 - 1s 86.25% (from 109.25%)
1 - 2 s 86.25%
Chainsaw Sweep acceleration is like he raches max speed after 60% of his first charge - two different things.
Let's end this conversation because it's pointless when someone just doesn't know things.
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your right. this is just talking about de-acceleration curve on when holding chainsaw. i mean your just better off just understanding it as you move at 86.25% and that is all you need to know. deceleration is not that relevant for the when you play the killer because you just notice yourself slowing down to crawl when you charge most powers.
i agree with ending conversation. I think changing add-on is an ok idea because LW is just 3-4 add-on with everything else being non-existent value but I do not see him getting improved because leatherface works just fine as he is.
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Good ideas however...
Grease - I don't think bubba should have a charge time add-on. Billy makes sense since he has to rev 25% longer and has an easier time being dodged. It could, however, restore a single token immediately after shredding through a pallet/wall. (Just the one used to break it; I'm not looking to give him an Alch Ring). If that's too much, then you could replace its aura blocker with decreasing crawl speed a la Knock Out (though, lose the TR based condition)
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Immediately rechargin 1 Token when Breaking a Pallet would be very unhealthy & it would be extremely strong.
With Beast's Marks you can rev your Chainsaw immediately after a Breaking a Pallet and catch a Survivor with 2 Chainsaw Tokens.
With your suggestion I could do it with 3 Chainsaw Tokens much easier and I could use my Chainsaw Tokens less careful - that's not good.
I don't understand why you think 12% of faster rev would be too strong or unhealthy or whatever. It's just 12% and no more addons for that. If we could mix addons and get more than 20% or something - okay. But in this scenario I think It would be perfect.
Other suggestion to
The Grease
Decreases Chainsaw cooldown duration after missed Chainsaw Attack by 0.3 seconds per each Charge spent.
Decreases Chainsaw cooldown duration after successful Chainsaw Attack by 0.5 seconds.
Vegetable Oil
Decreases Chainsaw cooldown duration after missed Chainsaw Attack by 0.2 seconds per each Charge spent.
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