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Discussion about gen rush, tunnel and 3gen

halfint
halfint Member Posts: 8
edited October 2023 in Feedback and Suggestions

My proposition:

when survivor is off the hook, he will receive haste, endurance and off the record for 15 sec

survivors not in some radius (24m) will repair generators 2 times longer and +20% faster in radius

so:

survivor will can hide from the killer after off the hook

survivors can break the 3gen

the killer can leave the generators for the chase


ps:

15sec, 2 times, 20%, 24m - just example

slowdown in repairs can be different for the killers (like moving speed)


I think it add more fun to the game :)

I would like to hear the opinions of forum members and developers about this


UPD: terror radius changed to fixed radius

Post edited by halfint on

Comments

  • mizark3
    mizark3 Member Posts: 2,257

    This would turn Furtive Chase into a free-win perk, especially on the likes of Blight/Nurse/Spirit/Wesker. It would also needlessly buff Stealth Killers, and needlessly nerf Doctor and Legion. Tinkerer would become godlike as well. All in all, it would be a horrible change for the worse.

    I will say you stumbled upon my Secret Sauce Myers build (Thana+Plaything+Penti reaching a max 50% gen slowdown), and it works quite well when you can get it working.

  • halfint
    halfint Member Posts: 8

    can you explain the first paragraph? I don't have enough experience to see a cause-and-effect relationship :)

  • halfint
    halfint Member Posts: 8

    I think I understood what you mean

    undetectable status reduce terror radius

    instead of a terror radius, you just need some kind of fixed radius (24m, for example)

  • mizark3
    mizark3 Member Posts: 2,257

    Furtive was just changed to provide 18s Haste and Undetectable after hooking the Obsession. Since Undetectable puts people outside of the Killers Terror Radius even when adjacent to the Killer (because it removes the TR entirely), this would give a consistent 18s of 50% gen slowdown, furthered to more with Tinkerer for 16s each gen. The stronger Killers (Blight/Nurse/Spirit/Wesker) can quickly get downs and have near perfect uptime on the gen slowdown.

    As far as needless buff/nerf to Killers, stealth Killers are always Undetectable (when using their stealth), so they get a near permanent 50% slowdown. Doctor and Legion's mechanics are typically based around keeping people in their Terror Radius. Legion's Feral Frenzy detects people with Killer Instinct only while they are within Terror Radius, so Undetectable/Oblivious are bad on him. (I didn't mention that above, but Oblivious also puts the Survivor outside of the TR, even if the Killer is next to them.) Doc's Blast is based on his TR, and his add-ons shrink/enlarge his TR based on whether the blast is ready or not.

  • mizark3
    mizark3 Member Posts: 2,257

    Yeah, a little mediocre MS Paint drawing here

    UndetectObliv.png

    Undetectable makes the Green circle Terror Radius not cover the actual area. The perk Hysteria Oblivious on the Injured Surv on the right makes the Oblivious Surv not in the Green zone when they should be.

  • halfint
    halfint Member Posts: 8

    thanks!

    and what do you think about fixed radius instead of terror radius?

  • mizark3
    mizark3 Member Posts: 2,257
    edited October 2023

    I think it would still help the hyper-mobile Killers over the slower Killers, which would strengthen current strong Killers to be stronger, and not help weaker Killers enough. It also would be bad for stealth Killers, as they would tell the Survivors they are close far sooner than the Survivors would normally realize. I play Ghostface extensively, and surprising people on gens is one of the best ways to get downs. Telling them beyond the audible ~12-16m of the cloak flapping would be a horrible nerf.

  • halfint
    halfint Member Posts: 8

    it can be configured for every killer (trapper: +30% repairing speed in 24m, -50% r-speed out of 24m. nurse: +40% r-speed in 40m, -20% r-speed out of 40m)

    for stealth killers... hm-m, it can works without visual message and it can have small boost/debuf (+- 10-20%)