If Pig Body Blocks Last Jigsaw Box is it Considered an Exploit?

Speshul_Kitten

4 survivors left
2 gens left to do
Jigsaw Helmet timer is halfway through...
(Rank 1, Not SWF, if any of that info matters)
Pig staring at Jigsaw box until time runs out

praisetheentity

I mean... it’s a way to get a kill?

DwightsLifeMatters

No, u ######### up. Happens rarely tho.

Speshul_Kitten

DwightsLifeMatters said:

No, u [BAD WORD] up. Happens rarely tho.

Please explain how this is my fault. 

Tzeentchling9

Game isn't being held hostage and you even have an out in the hatch. What is being exploited? You're going to die? So what? Is hard camping a hook an exploit too then?

DwightsLifeMatters

Speshul_Kitten said:

DwightsLifeMatters said:

No, u [BAD WORD] up. Happens rarely tho.

Please explain how this is my fault. 

It's not directly ur fault, but more the fault of your team mates popping gens while u had a trap. But u could have avoided that the pig knows which the last box is u need to check. However, as I said, u got F-ed, nothing you can do against that. Unless ur mates would pop the rest of the gens and leave and u find the hatch.

Delfador

It is more or less the same thing with camping the hook, no way it is an exploit.

Speshul_Kitten

Tzeentchling9 said:

Game isn't being held hostage and you even have an out in the hatch. What is being exploited? You're going to die? So what? Is hard camping a hook an exploit too then?

Actually it is being held hostage towards the player with the helmet. The only thing I was able to do in my case was help my teammate with a gen until it popped. To counter your example, even hard camping a hook can lead to a save. This method of blocking the the actualy Jigsaw box has no counter.

MrZapp

Hatch is still a thing

TAG

Speshul_Kitten said:

Tzeentchling9 said:

Game isn't being held hostage and you even have an out in the hatch. What is being exploited? You're going to die? So what? Is hard camping a hook an exploit too then?

Actually it is being held hostage towards the player with the helmet. The only thing I was able to do in my case was help my teammate with a gen until it popped. To counter your example, even hard camping a hook can lead to a save. This method of blocking the the actualy Jigsaw box has no counter.

"Being held hostage" in the context of this game generally means being trapped in the game with no way to end it outside of manually disconnecting from the game.

Speshul_Kitten

TAG said:

Speshul_Kitten said:

Tzeentchling9 said:

Game isn't being held hostage and you even have an out in the hatch. What is being exploited? You're going to die? So what? Is hard camping a hook an exploit too then?

Actually it is being held hostage towards the player with the helmet. The only thing I was able to do in my case was help my teammate with a gen until it popped. To counter your example, even hard camping a hook can lead to a save. This method of blocking the the actualy Jigsaw box has no counter.

"Being held hostage" in the context of this game generally means being trapped in the game with no way to end it outside of manually disconnecting from the game.

Okay I see it’s not an exploit, just a dirty way to play haha

Bravescorpio

Speshul_Kitten said:

4 survivors left
2 gens left to do
Jigsaw Helmet timer is halfway through...
(Rank 1, Not SWF, if any of that info matters)
Pig staring at Jigsaw box until time runs out

Can I ask a stupid question here, how does the pig know it's the last Jigsaw box? Unless she followed you around to all the others?

They don't fade away from her vision like they do a survivor who needs them, and with 4 survivors and Gen's left that's quite a thing to track. If she knew it was your last it sounds like she could hav killed you a long time ago and is just dicking you around now 

Speshul_Kitten

Bravescorpio said:

Speshul_Kitten said:

4 survivors left
2 gens left to do
Jigsaw Helmet timer is halfway through...
(Rank 1, Not SWF, if any of that info matters)
Pig staring at Jigsaw box until time runs out

Can I ask a stupid question here, how does the pig know it's the last Jigsaw box? Unless she followed you around to all the others?

They don't fade away from her vision like they do a survivor who needs them, and with 4 survivors and Gen's left that's quite a thing to track. If she knew it was your last it sounds like she could hav killed you a long time ago and is just dicking you around now 

I was on it when she found me, so I ran off and lost her. As soon as I went back to it she was sneakin aroundit, she must’ve figured it was the last one since she saw me there twice.

Poweas

@Tzeentchling9 said:
Game isn't being held hostage and you even have an out in the hatch. What is being exploited? You're going to die? So what? Is hard camping a hook an exploit too then?

The logic here is amazing, yes it's not being held hostage but if you think that's a fair way to play the game then you've obviously not played survivor. Killers these days have got to understand what survivors go through. I mained killer for 2 months and I begun to understand their pain and yeah I agree some killers need buffs but when they say that Billy needs his flick back or bodyblocking the basement until a trap pops or noed comes is very confusing.

TAG

Here's a dumb question: Would it be possible to modify the Jigsaw Box's design to allow a Survivor to search it from any side (similar to a generator) instead of just one?

PigNRun

Bravescorpio said:

Speshul_Kitten said:

4 survivors left
2 gens left to do
Jigsaw Helmet timer is halfway through...
(Rank 1, Not SWF, if any of that info matters)
Pig staring at Jigsaw box until time runs out

Can I ask a stupid question here, how does the pig know it's the last Jigsaw box? Unless she followed you around to all the others?

They don't fade away from her vision like they do a survivor who needs them, and with 4 survivors and Gen's left that's quite a thing to track. If she knew it was your last it sounds like she could hav killed you a long time ago and is just dicking you around now 

Pig does see what boxes have the keys for her remaining traps (on her and on Survivors). After a Survivor removes a trap, the respective Jigsaw Box's aura disappears from her vision. The difference with Survivors is that they only disappear after they have searched through them.

TAG

PigNRun said:

Bravescorpio said:

Speshul_Kitten said:

4 survivors left
2 gens left to do
Jigsaw Helmet timer is halfway through...
(Rank 1, Not SWF, if any of that info matters)
Pig staring at Jigsaw box until time runs out

Can I ask a stupid question here, how does the pig know it's the last Jigsaw box? Unless she followed you around to all the others?

They don't fade away from her vision like they do a survivor who needs them, and with 4 survivors and Gen's left that's quite a thing to track. If she knew it was your last it sounds like she could hav killed you a long time ago and is just dicking you around now 

Pig does see what boxes have the keys for her remaining traps (on her and on Survivors). After a Survivor removes a trap, the respective Jigsaw Box's aura disappears from her vision.

Uh, what?  I'm gonna need to see video footage of this in action because this does not happen to me at all.

TAG

*double post*

se05239

She's throwing her entire game for a kill.

Speshul_Kitten

TAG said:

Here's a dumb question: Would it be possible to modify the Jigsaw Box's design to allow a Survivor to search it from any side (similar to a generator) instead of just one?

Idk I feel that might be a bit too hard on Pig, survivors would be able to hide behind itI think a better thing would be to allow the Jigsaw box to reset to another location if the pig’s presence (not Terror radius) stays near one for too long. Provided that there isn’t a survivor on a hook of course.

TAG

Speshul_Kitten said:

TAG said:

Here's a dumb question: Would it be possible to modify the Jigsaw Box's design to allow a Survivor to search it from any side (similar to a generator) instead of just one?

Idk I feel that might be a bit too hard on Pig, survivors would be able to hide behind itI think a better thing would be to allow the Jigsaw box to reset to another location if the pig’s presence (not Terror radius) stays near one for too long. Provided that there isn’t a survivor on a hook of course.

Wouldn't that just allow the Pig to warp boxes away from people?

Eninya

@Speshul_Kitten said:
TAG said:

Here's a dumb question: Would it be possible to modify the Jigsaw Box's design to allow a Survivor to search it from any side (similar to a generator) instead of just one?

Idk I feel that might be a bit too hard on Pig, survivors would be able to hide behind itI think a better thing would be to allow the Jigsaw box to reset to another location if the pig’s presence (not Terror radius) stays near one for too long. Provided that there isn’t a survivor on a hook of course.

Well, body blocking boxes is unnecessary, and incredibly rare to be effective without using Amanda's Secret and limiting you to two boxes. On top of this, you need to waste time sneaking around the survivor to see if they get their trap off on the first box, and then beat them to the second.

This entire time, you're not pressuring anyone else, and wasting time on the survivor you're already pressuring. This is the whole problem with that garbage "Ultra Rare addon" for her. Even the Ambush w4llh4x you get is so small it's practically useless, as is trying to spend an entire match using Ambush. Using boxes is loud, so if you patrol near one you'll hear someone trying to use it.

If you're going to kill someone with some serious cheese on Pig, it's infinitely more effective to Ambush-camp hooks, as you'll still be able to bring better addons.

Dreamnomad

NO

TAG

Eninya said:

@Speshul_Kitten said:
TAG said:

Here's a dumb question: Would it be possible to modify the Jigsaw Box's design to allow a Survivor to search it from any side (similar to a generator) instead of just one?

Idk I feel that might be a bit too hard on Pig, survivors would be able to hide behind itI think a better thing would be to allow the Jigsaw box to reset to another location if the pig’s presence (not Terror radius) stays near one for too long. Provided that there isn’t a survivor on a hook of course.

Well, body blocking boxes is unnecessary, and incredibly rare to be effective without using Amanda's Secret and limiting you to two boxes. On top of this, you need to waste time sneaking around the survivor to see if they get their trap off on the first box, and then beat them to the second.

This entire time, you're not pressuring anyone else, and wasting time on the survivor you're already pressuring. This is the whole problem with that garbage "Ultra Rare addon" for her. Even the Ambush w4llh4x you get is so small it's practically useless, as is trying to spend an entire match using Ambush. Using boxes is loud, so if you patrol near one you'll hear someone trying to use it.

If you're going to kill someone with some serious cheese on Pig, it's infinitely more effective to Ambush-camp hooks, as you'll still be able to bring better addons.

My strategy is to let 'em be at first and focus on other Survivors and then start harassing them if they've failed to get the trap off in a timely manner (long enough for me to suspect that they failed on their first one or two boxes).  BBQ&C lets me gauge what box they probably last checked and what box they may be headed to next (since they may not be able to afford masking their aura or faking their direction while they are on the clock).  Then I can work to down them and drag them away from boxes I have a good feeling they still need to check.  Hopefully that will waste enough time that one more good stumble on their part will be enough to make the trap snap inevitable.  Either that, or by the time they reach the last box, I won't need to stall them for long before the trap goes off.

Mister_xD

its like shes camping a hook, with the difference that you can actually walk around and do stuff. get the gens done, have your team leave and maybe even take the hatch.
in the end, she did nothing more but less effective camping.

thesuicidefox

No because you can still die or escape. It's not holding the game hostage because the game will end somehow at some time. If your trap is active you will just die after a certain time. If the hatch is open you can escape. And if your trap isn't active then you still have the option to do gens. If you don't then it's just a stalemate like when both players stand on the hatch.

TheCatLady

OP said the RBT was half done. Unless their team smashes the last 2 gens out ASAP, open and immediately escape out the exit gate (especially unlikely since OP said no SWF so they would have no way of letting them know the situation) AND assuming the Pig doesn't just tunnel them right off the Jigsaw Box and OP can find the hatch, saying "just get the hatch" is pretty useless advice.

How long exactly does it take a half done RBT to go off in contrast to the rest of the pre-requisites needed to get the hatch? If they got the trap slapped on them after the last gen popped then sure its viable to just try go for hatch, but in OP's scenario, it's not likely they will last long enough for the hatch to even be an option. So the Pig may as well have just facecamped for all the chance OP had of surviving.

The Pig blocking the jigsaw box might not be "exploiting" the game but either way it is an incredibly lame troll-ish move. Whoever was playing the Pig in that game obviously is not a very competent killer or a smart player.

Sziosis

I'm gonna be honest. I'm gonna do this at least once now.