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Why cant console have MnK support?
If we cant have cross progression fine but at least give console players some kind of update? We are on cross play anyways, whats wrong with MnK support? Do they not care so much about there console gamers and is steam just there golden child?
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My problem is I don't want M&K support on console because it is usually the reason for gaining a clear advantage against others along with other issues, like cheating for example. Over the past 10 years or so cheating on games has started to become a huge issue. Microsoft's Xbox are taking their first step towards stopping cheating by only allowing official controllers to be useable. Hopefully PlayStation starts to do the same and who knows, maybe even somehow on PC they'll start cracking down on it.
Oh, and I'm all for Cross progression, I have no issues with that at all. I think if you changed the title to that this post would definitely gain a lot more traction on this forum.
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you knew what impression you were leaving when you said "Just buy a pc" like dont play dumb, a title is a quick summary but before you reply how about reading the explanation of it? Again, kinda the whole point of a post, theres a title, but also a actual fleshed out explanation. Don't act ignorant to it. Cheating? Really? What advantage could console have with mnk support? Pc/steam is miles better with a million advantages then console. Steam has controller support and cross play is enabled so again, whats REALLY your problem? If you just are bored and wanna argue then fine but it wont be with me. im not replying after this, have a good day...
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Mate, if someone states the obvious, "if you want to play on M&K then buy a PC" and then you get offended by that statement, then again get offended by me replying to someone else in the thread, then I reply to your question and you call me "dumb", "ignorant", and then even to go as far as to assume I'm "bored" and I want to "argue" then it's clearly YOU that has the problem.
A title is a quick summary of the post. If that's not what you wanted the main point of the topic to be about then you should've stated that clearly in the title. (which you didn't), instead you decide to create this fake argument assuming it's me that has an issue.
The MAIN issue keyboard does better than a controller is movement, which is a good 95% of this game. Like I said in the first post, if you want to use Mouse and Keyboard then use a PC. Just because there's controller support on PC doesn't mean it feels just like it does on controller either because of how steam works with their controller tuning. The same can't be said about using M&K on Console because a keyboard is input based. (an example would be how easy it is to 360 vs on controller). Since we're also taking about acting ignorant, don't act ignorant to the movement capabilities a keyboard provides in this game.
You've stated the following: "Pc/steam is miles better with a million advantages then console", this explains why you want M&K on Console and don't want to move over to PC. Hey, it was your words not mine.
I will also reiterate, I stated this "Oh, and I'm all for Cross progression, I have no issues with that at all. I think if you changed the title to that this post would definitely gain a lot more traction on this forum." to which you blanked, so it's clearly not me who has an issue, it's you.
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Its ridiculous to permit PC players a mechanical option console doesn't get.
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if you look into it the real cheat devices already circumvent what microsoft has implemented. The only thing microsoft has done is allowed their wallets to get lined by 3rd parties having to pay for certification or selling more 1st party peripherals instead of 3d party.
those cheat devices plug into official devices completely crapping on microsofts supposed "anti cheat device counter measure". This measure is a gigantic slap in the face to people who use accessibility controllers, fight sticks, 3d party steering wheels or basically anything but official microsoft controllers. This is not good especially in communities like the Fighting Game Community. Some of whom pay hundreds of dollars for custom controllers that are 100% legal in the community.
I hope playstation never does this, and i hope microsoft reverses course on the matter but why would they, they stand to make bank off this. That is the only reason they're making this change. Its not for the players.
Playstation already allows players to use keyboard and mouse for gaming, its just up to the devs to enable the support for it. I play elden ring and dark souls on ps5 with mouse and keyboard. Just a regular old mouse and keyboard nothing fancy. So DBD should enable this for ps5 as well.
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if you look into it the real cheat devices already circumvent what microsoft has implemented. - It's only a matter of time before Microsoft realise this and block that particular external device too though, this was their first attempt to stop cheaters and I'm sure it will be a long time until it will be the last.
I'm all for K&M support for a game that is single player, but when it comes to multiplayer games players will always go the easy route to cheat. XIM has been a HUGE issue of debate lately for shooters because it allows you to increase your fire rate faster than the base game allows as well as giving you no recoil for guns, that device alone plagued apex legends for years and still does to this day.
I'm more than happy for Microsoft to gain more monetary return if it reduces the chances of cheating in general and makes games much more enjoyable as a whole like they were 10 years ago as skill has gone completely out the window nowadays and its honestly shocking how bad it really is. If the device is legal within the community then I'm sure the governing party overseeing what is allowed and not allowed will eventually re-enable the ability to use them again after they've physically checked the device themselves.
The issue isn't the device, it's how the person intends to use the device. I can quickly see this going downhill even faster than it's currently doing. So for someone such as yourself using it for Single player games, I have no issue with that, but for games you play for tournaments and games of that nature, its always more common to find players who intend to cheat to the fullest extent. The more you limit their capabilities; the more future proof the game will be.
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Call of duty allows MnK on PS5 they don't consider it to be cheating. So does fortnite. These Dev companies enable it because it isn't cheating. Elden Ring and Dark souls are multiplayer and I pvp quite a bit in those games.
You playing dbd means you're already playing against players with MnK. Since cross play is a thing you should have zero issues with ps5 players also having MnK support enabled. After all COD and Fortnite both offer it. Those games are competitive and COD has better anti-cheat detection than microsoft does. What they do doesn't penalize the players by forcing them onto devices that do not feel comfortable for them
XIM once again remains unaffected with microsofts method.
Street fighter 6 has a million dollar prize pool for its grand finale tournament where all these fight sticks that can no longer be used on xbox are completely legal and not considered cheat devices. Some of these Controllers cost upwards of $400 usd that can no longer be used on xbox. TOURNAMENT LEGAL CONTROL DEVICES.
you should not be happy about this at all. you think it will stop cheat devices. It won't they will just finding away around msoft and everyone else who isn't cheating will now be punished.
At the end of the day If i want to use a DS5 controller on an XBOX I should be able to, and Vice Versa. You could with brooks wingman adapter. But you can't now on xbox. Nope forced to play with a controller you may not like.
these devices are now blacklisted but the actual people in charge of making rules for their games okay them, that is not okay and you should not be okay with microsoft using a false narrative to line their pockets at the expense of legit players. All that will do is drive them off the platform.
What microsoft is doing/has done is not good for gamers on their platform. It will not prevent XIM, or other products like XIM.
I'm actually thankful that sony has decided to let players use MnK I hope more devs enable it. They absolutely should it would even the playing field a lot when it comes to games that are pc/console cross play. XBOX should do the same.
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Without Cross Progression few players would slide over to a PC and start from scratch, rebuying everything and losing whatever accumulated limited stuff. I certainly won't, and those that have done so most likely did it because they lost hope in Cross Progression ever coming.
This is why just saying "get a PC then" is not a viable solution. It's punting and starting over, tossing away whatever hours and money. Kinda like don't want to stay but neatly boxed in.
There shouldn't be drastic differences in what platform a decently big game is played on, but for a multitude of reasons DBD is such a game. M&K support is not an unreasonable request.
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especially when Sony already has support its just up to devs to enable it. More options for everyone, let my console brethren abandon their rollers for the MnK. Make it happen BHVR
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Yes but when they allow them peripherals on controller they also lock the players into PC only lobbies, because they know it's a clear crutch vs controller.
XBOX/Microsoft and PlayStation have been on bad terms for years. Even with exclusives alone so I doubt they'd come to similar terms in the way they limit the availability of devices, sadly.
The problem with wanting to use a DS5 controller on an Xbox is it's their product, they will always decide who uses what and regardless of what we think, we have no say in that unless enough people are against it and set up petitions etc, which I honestly haven't seen anything of the sort, yet.
The controller banning system is really new so I'm sure XIM is on their list of external devices to ban in the future and hopefully sometime soon because it is a device that cheaters do use almost regularly, they just need to figure out how to actually detect this first.
The "war" against cheaters will always be an ongoing one until companies like Microsoft look to get official government rules regulated, yet that will most likely never happen because it's legal for companies to create cheats etc. I think if gaming companies for single player games want cheats on their game then that should also be fine.
There will never been an even playing field until console can achieve at least 240 frames, which could also be sometime in the next 3 years since that's when the new xbox/PS6 is supposedly patented to be released.
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The simplest solution which I mentioned earlier which both parties are happy with I'm sure is to allow cross progression, which I said I'm all for.
And you may not, but my friend did a few months ago and he's not been back on Console, he knows everything is 10X better on PC and he also knows it's a clear advantage.
"There shouldn't be drastic differences in what platform a decently big game is played on" - yes, there shouldn't be, but there is a huge skill gap between controller and K&M. If this were to happen then I'd also expect 360'ing to be adjusted to be a lot easier on Controller than it currently is.
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if anyone can buy a mouse and keyboard why shouldn't they be allowed to use it? There isn't an advantage if anyone can use it. Mouse and keyboard gets enabled on consoles. Anyone can buy a mouse and keyboard and no one is at a disadvantage anymore when it comes to player input.
Say BHVR decided to enable it for PS5 Users so anyone could buy a mouse and keyboard plug them in then play DBD on PS5 with a mouse and keyboard. If anyone wants to use mouse and keyboard they now can. You're already playing with PC players so why would you be against Ps5 players being allowed to use the peripheral of their choosing when other platforms already let them choose?
The simplest decision is actually to just let people play with mouse and key on console it is already enabled for pc so that wouldn't be difficult.
Like I just don't understand how you think that letting console players use mouse and keyboard is a problem when you already play against pc players who use them. What is the problem with letting everyone use them?
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There's a reason Console was made with controller in mind and not Mouse and Keyboard. People like myself will never use a keyboard when it comes to games and will always stick to controller.
Just because its enabled and you & OP use it doesn't mean it still won't become a crutch when against a controller players.
Just because there's crossplay doesn't mean the disadvantage is not there every single time you play against a MnK killer. Allowing MnK on console won't just magically make this skill crutch disappear, it will make it worse.
There are a lot of players use console and would prefer to play against console killers only but without queue times the console lobbies are ridiculously long.
The biggest reason here though is because there are more cheaters in general on PC. If its enabled then that paves the way for a cheater to modify the keyboard in a way where macros and other such types of stuff comes to play.
As for this particular argument, there are hundreds if not thousands of forums, reddits, etc etc all over the internet explaining why K&M should not be pit against controller players. I don't see many K&M killers but when I do they can do unnatural things, one being able to 360 around really tight loops out in the open. I've NEVER seen a controller killer do that.
Here is one such post, about the argument between Console vs K&M take a gander:
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OOOOHHHH so you don't want to use mouse and keyboard, no one else should be allowed to I understand now. Thank you.
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I never said no one else should be allowed to, I said multiple times its considered an unfair advantage by almost every controller player because they understand the difference a keyboard and mouse bring Vs a Controller. My original point still stands, if you want to use a keyboard and mouse to play DBD go buy a PC.
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Why PS5 has support, BHVR just has to enable it on their end. If everyone can play with mouse and key on console the advantage disappears. If you choose to play at a disadvantage then that is on you no one else. Console players should have the option, especially since its supported on PS5. I think its even supported on the switch again just needs bhvr to enable it.
edit: yup you can play games on switch with a keyboard and mouse, fortnite is one of them just like on the ps5.
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And it's clear from the almost 8 years of DBD existing on console that it will never be enabled.
Edit: since you want to change up the entire post here's your reply. Fortnite also locks you into PC only lobbies if you use a Keyboard and Mouse. I also played that game extensively at the start up until season 7. I've played almost every good game that's worth it to play over the years, I know my stuff dude. Just like I also know you can plug in your controller to COD Mobile and the skill gap is crazy.
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we never thought they would nerf dead hard, but they did. twice.
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Yes and who did you think gave them the idea to nerf dead hard to its current state? Yes that's right it was me and my idea, you're welcome.
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