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Why Sable, and not Julian?
A bit long, but not a rant. Just a random thought. Just wanna see whether majority of people agree or not.
Both of them are heavily connected to Mikaela's lore. Technically, to Mikaela overall. But wasn't Julian mentioned WAY earlier than Sable? Right at Mikaela's release, wasn't he mentioned in her lore, while Sable had literal 0 information about herself?
The point is...why have creators decided to put a whole new character out of nowhere, and not the one that was already mentioned? It could've been such a good plot-twist if he was released instead of her, and would make much more sense. And the fact that Mikaela's lore also states that he had also "disappeared" into the fog makes it more expectable. Not gonna lie, I've always been curious about him as a character, and still am.
But it's still such a missed potential, which is sad. What if it was a 2-survivor chapter instead, both Sable and Julian, along with the Unknown? Just like the Lyras. Mikaela would be the "3rd survivor", not officially speaking. I love everything about this new chapter, though: the map, survivor and the killer...the survivor's just a bit "random", lore-speaking.
Basically, here's a comment of someone else's I found that is summed in a shorter and more-explainable way, which I agree with, and got a bit of inspiration from:
"But this last point is also what made me pause, because her niche as a character in the story... was kind of already filled. Anyone remember Julian? Mikaela's actual best friend, very important character in her story, who got taken by The Entity when the two started snooping around a bit too much? I feel like that, if the devs wanted to introduce in game a character with ties to our favorite ginger, he would have been the literal perfect fit. Which makes Sable's existence kind of... redundant, I think it's the right term. They made a character that basically already existed, is what I'm trying to say, and it feels like BHVR is trying to retcon the poor guy out of the story, for whatever reason."
----(Now, don't get me wrong...This isn't a hate-post about Sable, she's currently one of my most likeable characters in like the whole time i've started playing DBD (almost 2 years). I think she's pretty neat: design, voicelines, characteristics, unique perks, the lore (even though a lot of people say she's "bland" and makes herself seem like a "not like other girls", I still like it, even if it's simple and more about her edginess), and because she's our first goth girl...in other words, i'm definitely gonna main her when she releases into the live servers; prestiged her to 6 in PTB, because that's how much she's interesting of a character to me. I'm still really happy that she exists in general.)----
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Because Julian is going to be a killer skin for The Unknown, hopefully.
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Easy sweetie. Good marketing, money. It's no secret that mikaela was a success. So they honestly took the easy route. Create a new character that was never mentioned in mikaela's lore and make sure the aesthetics is at least close to that popular character in order to really benefit from it.
Atp, we know the devs have kinda shifted away from connecting old dbd lore, old characters in the lore from existing ones for the sake of easy money making. They abandoned the pariah lore-we dont know the rest of the members, they abandoned, jordan-haddies brother who is also in the fog, and they abandoned julian-another who was taken into the fog. In fact, I also go so far to believe they made Sable, a female character over picking Julian, a male character, because they know the community just favor female survivors anyways.
And the most heart aching thing about Sable being picked over Julian is that he could've been our first trans character. Below is a picture from one of dbds tweet when teasing Mikaela, but the words on the left are from a YouTuber tho.
As you can see, it was a possibility that Julian could've been a trans character if they went along with it. Julienne is a girls name and they honestly could've made another big step for trans representation. But they took the easy way out and chose to create a new character that had no relation to Mikaela prior to her debut.
I'll still give Sable a chance of course. But dbd devs are just trying to make the most out of their resources even if it means devaluing their own lore.
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Maybe. Female survivors are more popular than male survivors, and will sell more cosmetics.
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Julian is a boy, Sable is girl. They know goth girl would make good money and they were right about it. People already so hyped for her.
So there is your answer why it was not Julian.
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So, I can't say I really care much about lore stuff these days, but...
If you see Sable's story as "We want to tell another story about a character connected to Mikaela," then sure, they could have easily just used Julian. But I don't think that's what Sable is supposed to be. I see it as "We want to tell a story about what happens after a survivor is taken.' Sable's story isn't really about Mikaela specifically so much as it is about finding about what happened to her. I saw one of those posts you're quoting when it was originally posted, and that OP had definitely missed that Julian was mentioned, though not by name, in Sable's lore. So, like I said, I don't follow lore too closely these days so I don't know if the fact that Julian was also missing was established at some point before Sable, but if it was, then it makes sense to use a new character.
Also, most other characters that serve the same role as Julian of encouraging someone to do things that get them taken by the Entity are secretly evil, so are we even sure Julian was ever supposed to be some regular person?
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Edit: misread, my fault
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It's not demeaning at all. You literally have to have common sense to know it's not demeaning when I never made it seem that way towards the person throughout my response further down the line. I never devalued or talked down towards the person even further as I gave my opinion. I swear, ppl really just want to victimize a situation these days. Ppl really have a hard time reading the room.
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Entirely my fault, I completely misread that at first
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Maybe they just didn't put much thought into it. Maybe they don't have a design for Julian. Who knows what the design process at BHVR is like, maybe The Unknown and Sable were cooked up separately and tying them together and to Mikaela was a recent idea they simply rolled with as they went.
Personally, I don't care. I don't like Mikaela or her story; to me, Sable is a more interesting version of Mikaela, so I'm fine with this. And I don't think we should ever have another 2-survivor chapter again, to be honest.
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It's fine. It's fine. I appreciate that tho. I'll apologize as well cause I was a bit triggered over the miscommunication. I just don't want to take away the OP's topic cause it really is an interesting point they brought up that the devs are displaying right in front of us.
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Completely agree. No need to apologize as well, I’m the only one at fault here.
Back to OPs topic, I agree with Quizzy, it’s a marketing move at the end of the day. I can’t say I know for sure, but I’d be willing to bet that female characters and cosmetics sell at a much higher rate than their male counterparts. They’re a business at the end of the day, and revenue is extremely important to keep the higher ups happy.
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Sable = cute goth girl
Julian = NOT a cute goth girl
I would've done the same if I worked at BHVR
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Well its never said that Julian was taken by the entity, (as far as Im aware) just that he disappeared
What if he is The Unknown?
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Because goth girls sell and... well most types of guys don't.
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I think it's fascinating that a lot of people in this thread's knee-jerk reaction is that BHVR is relentlessly money hungry and cares more about that than creating a good narrative or anything. Is it so hard to believe that BHVR just... Maybe never intended to use Julian again, at least not as a survivor? I won't deny it'd be cool to see him again, but it'd be rather dull if he was a survivor instead of a killer. Toothless, I think. With Sable, Mikaela gets to hold onto the hope that hey, maybe Julian is in the fog, given Sable came looking for her just like she'd be hoping to find Julian. It makes for a perfectly good story, I'd argue a better one than if we just got Julian as a survivor or if we got Julian as a killer who only connected back to Mikaela.
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Well for one, sable being in the fog will not have an effect on mikaela anyways. They dont do tome lore where a character interacts with another in the fog that are in the trials. Because it would be a plothole towards their own base lore of memory wipe etc. So i doubt devleopment between the 2 will occur. What they will obviously do, is tell the story about what sable has done after mikaela disappeared which lead her into the fog. They've been doing that recently with these new characters.
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Well, if you ask me, this would actually be a great time to break that limitation--Make a story about the Entity noticing the renewed hope Mikaela feels from meeting Sable and that Sable feels from finding Mikaela, have it stop scrubbing them of such memories, maybe? It would be a good way to keep the lore from stagnating, I think.
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They can always add him later on :) Or perhaps they have something else planned for him and we'll see it in a future tome. He might not even exist anymore, I think his fate was mentioned in Mikaela's tome, but I don't remember entirely.
I'm super hyped for Sable though, new main for sure and my next p100 :D
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