Suffocation Pit (The MacMillan Estate)
We'd like to know what you think about the Suffocation Pit map, part of the MacMillan Estate realm. Please leave any feedback you have concerning this map as a comment on this thread. Your feedback can be as brief or detailed as you'd like!
Suffocation Pit (The MacMillan Estate) 210 votes
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The giant collection of windows that spawns near each other, is so awful for M1 killers. How is this considered acceptable?
Killers don’t even have the option to break some of the walls in window-land… it’s just awful the entire game.
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Suffocation Pit 1 is a map that just needs a total layout rework imo. It takes too long to get from one side of the map to the other, so previously the killer was incentivized to just defend one side of the map/try to hold a 3-gen on that side. Now that this strategy is weakened (and rightfully so), it’s too easy for the survivors to just turn the map shape into an advantage if they complete key generators on different sides of the map and force the killer to patrol gens on both sides. Chasing in the center of the map can often be undesirable depending on RNG since it is a cluster of 5 maze tiles all next to each other and they can often spawn pretty strong setups depending on which tiles spawn next to each other and the direction they're facing, so this further encourages the killer to defend one side of the map. It's not as bad as it used to be now that maze tiles on this map don't ever repeat the same type of tile more than once (ie. each of the 5 maze tiles will be different), but it can still be a problem. If survivors get bad RNG in the center though then they lose a lot of their advantage they otherwise usually have.
Suffocation Pit 2 is a lot better because it’s a completely different shape and has a totally different layout, so it doesn't have any of those same problems.
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I don't find this map fun for either side, but especially for M1 killers like mentioned. The middle section is so full of connected jungle gyms that catching a decent survivor can feel almost impossible depending on RNG. On top that, the shape of the map absolutely incentivizes 3 genning one side of the map and completely ignoring the other side. Unless you have a way to traverse the map quickly, or get very quick downs in chase, it's just not viable for most killers to play the entire map.
On top of that, some killers can hook a survivor on one side of the map, and then camp the middle section of the map, preventing any survivor that tries to go through it from getting the unhook. This can be really frustrating for survivors, especially if the killer can down them instantly or force them to stay injured.
I think the biggest problem other than the potentially nasty middle section is the shape of the map. It's unique and all, but it just doesn't bode well gameplay wise.
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3-gen pit. Hourglass shaped maps have offensive gen spawns. Made worse when there are connecting jungle gyms in the middle of the map. You stay on one side of the map as killer and it's pretty stinky.
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I agree with this, nothing to add honestly.
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This map is awful. The amount of loops and pallets in the middle, it’s endless for survivors to dance through. Definitely needs work
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Suffocation Pit has 2 versions that differ greatly from one another. Both variations are large maps with an arguably troublesome generator spread that count with the same amount of mazetiles and landmarks; they also stand out in the realm for having crate and rock filler loops but no road crate filler loops.
Suffocation Pit I has a long shape with a clustered middle full of mazetiles and inserted edge of the map walls that divide the map in two sides. This layout manipulates the gameplay of the map by heavily punishing a killer that takes chases anywhere and plans to pressure the team through many hooks, while a more territorial playstyle can potentially give an edge to the killer by holding the middle while defending hooked survivors and / or generators on one side of the map (which at times can be unevenly spread across sides). On top of the issued gameplan, there is a crippling problem with the pallet count in this version of the map (about 8 to 17) due to the absurd discrepancy in amount between trials as well as the potential for deadzones given that all 5 mazetiles are located in the middle and filler loops are this inconsistent.
Suffocation Pit II has a more "standard" layout and is probably preferred by most people eventhough it is not the "classic" version of the map. It favors survivors, probably more than any other map in the realm, but other than a chain of 2 mazetiles that are adjacent to each other, there is nothing that stands out too much. The map is subtly too large so the killer struggles to defend the gens, the pallet count (about 10 to 14 with average 13) is decently consistent (which is good) but the crate fillers in MacMillan are a bit too strong (the rock fillers can be mindgamed if the survivor doesn't drop the pallet early so there is a risk-reward), which combined makes the difference.
The realm The MacMillan Estate should receive a slight nerf to the design of crate fillers (where killers can't mindgame nor outplay a dropped pallet in most cases) to allow the filler loops to be more numerous and consistent.
Suffocation Pit I should stabilize its pallet density to be more consistent & consider a layout overhaul and size reduction. Suffocation Pit II should separate the 2 adjacent mazetiles and slightly reduce its size (very minimally, like in the example below). Both versions should keep their 5 mazetiles, which is the amount that is stable for this realm (given the 7 types that are found in the realm).
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Killer sided if they decided to never leave one of the big areas
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First variant was problematic with three-gen setups though I guess it may be resolved now. Can’t really memorize second variant yet.
I think it’s a little bit too big for non-mobile killers and center can be very strong for survivors depending on the spawns..
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The middle part of the map is a bit too loaded, so you basically cannot chase there unless you are playing a really strong killer, the rest of the map is rather dry in comparison. However it can be really rng heavy, spawning huge dead zones or the most busted old cowshed stuff. This basically results in only ever holding one side of the map, because the middle is too loaded. So maybe just re distribute the loops across the map.
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I actually think I prefer Suffocation Pit II in this case, and I think I'd be fine with the original being replaced with it. Main feels fine, but the "I" shape of the map gives it similar issues to Azarov's. In addition to this, Suffocation Pit I has a bad habit of spawning an egregious setup in the center of the map, with windows and tiles that are far too easy to chain together. I'd say Suffocation I is probably the worst of the Macmillan's (although it's not half as bad as some other maps in this game) and Suffocation II is completely fine.
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Original variation is just 3-gen city. Expect never to be chased to the side that the Killer is not interested in. Killer sided for sure
On the newer one, it actually has a lot going for it. Spaced out pallets, wide open areas to not sneak about much, and generally a balanced map.
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In Asia, it is considered to be the top crap map. Unless the survivor makes a mistake, the killer basically has no chance of winning.
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Suffo1 is the hallmark of bad map design. The map encourages killers to commit to a hard 3 gen because it's really long and the middle area is exceptionally strong. There's basically no point to ever commit to chasing anyone in the middle area that, for some reason, consists of an estimated two million maze tiles. The main building is unreasonable strong with multiple god pallets and, if lucky, a god window.
This map is also heavily affected by RNG. Sometimes an entire section of the map will be a deadzone, sometimes it has several god fillers.
I don't like anything about this map.
Suffo2 is a huge improvement. The gen spread is a lot nicer, the shape is a lot nicer, and I usually enjoy the games I play on this. My only issue is the weird adjacent double maze tile, which seems out of place in an otherwise good map.
MacMillan overall is such an ugly an uninteresting realm, though. It would benefit from a visual overhaul.
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One side of the map constantly spawns 4 or even 5 gens, how can this be considered fair?
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Suffocation pit's main issue is just the actual shape of the map istelf. The centre area between the 2 sides can cause loop with windows especially to chain together making it difficult for killer to chase survivors and the central location means that a survior getting hit can reach it from anywhere on the map
Gen spawns can also encourage 3 gen strategies by having 3 gens in close proximity on 1 side of the map. The main building needs no changes but the general layout and loop spawns in the middle should be changed
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Another terribly designed map with a bottle neck in the middle that makes it impossible for survivors to win if the killer knows what they're doing. Monitoring the middle part by the killer is too strong.
Otherwise the size and tiles favor survivors.
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Games on this map snowball heavily. The rectangular map size coupled with the fact that most generators spawn around main building and shack, which are on opposite sides of the map, means that survivors either complete all of the generators on one side, in which case the killer has an easy 3-gen to defend, or they spread out generators and the killer is going to have a hard time. Unfortunately, success in this map depends almost entirely on which generators get finished first.
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Its largish but due to its shape having the choke point, it very manageable for the killer. Main and the middle is strong for survivors but if the killer plays right defending one side of the map its pretty balanced and well designed. I like this map as both sides. no complaints. This is for suffo 1 at least.
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new one is fine but god og suffo is atrocious. killer either 3 gens or loses, they dare not go to the middle of the map or they aren't touching that survivor ever, especially with bad rng for them. at least main side can spawn up to F I V E gens so killers will have the choice to play "smart" :)
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Unfortunately this map is not fun to play. In the original version of the map the central area is too strong, with many loops connected together. But for the killer this map is really good for threegenning. For this reason I find it quite balanced, even of Is not too fun when the killer stays on one side of the map for the whole game to defend generators . Instead the second version of this map is very Survivor sided. In one corner of the map there are almost all the tiles, but in any case the rest of the map is full of fillers. In all the games I played on this map, next to the shack there was always a god filler, which connected to another tile that connected to the main. It is absolutely necessary to reduce the size of the map and reduce the number of pallets that can appear. All in all, the original version of the map is quite balanced, it would perhaps be enough to remove one of the tiles in the center, or perhaps ensure that no more than two strong tiles, and ensure that the gens don't spawn too close to each other.
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3 gen map. The killer can just ignore half of the map and sit in the other half to guard 4 gens
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Think its balanced but plays more comfy for svr and a bit annoying for killer cause loop structures
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I dislike the original version of this map its big the middle area is a nightmare to handle and you literally have to say in one area with is not bad but it's not great and I'm not a big fan of this map
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Suffopit 2: ok map
Suffopit 1: promotes the "guard a 3gen or lose the game" gameplay on killer side. The middle can spawn some window-into-window rng and interconnect extremely strong tiles, incentivizing the killer to leave their side even less, especially if it's a low mobility killer. Really dislike this map with a burning passion and I can't recall having a good time on it whatsoever.
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What's great about Suffocation Pit:
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- Relatively small size if you ignore half the map.
- Cool basement location, I guess?
What's bad about Suffocation Pit:
- Being bottlenecked into several strong jungle gyms is painful for killers. Usually have to drop chases the second they start running towards them.
- Mindgaming at adjacent jungle gyms just results in survivors running to the next one to keep distance. You either get a hard read on a survivor or they continue to loop you.
- Second chance survivor perks make this map insufferable.
- Forced to break pallets and walls on main buildings when playing an M1 killer or suffer the consequences.
- No way to cut off survivors or mind game on main building. Chases have to be brute force.
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This map is a weird one for me because it can be completely busted for either side depending on how it spawns. Either the center part is a hellish mess of vaults and safe pallets OR all the gens are clumped up together in one spot. I feel like I shouldn't be able to hold a 5-gen while barely trying as Ghostface, lol
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